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and behaved in an outrageous way, it is amazing it didn't go out. It was


kept a secret by the Labour whips. He's dead now. He's not here to


defend himself. There were allegations going on, some DLEEP


unsavoury, potentially as you have said might be considered illegal now


and some may have been illegal then, as whips they were in the "dirt


book"? I never heard any of the allegations like Geoffrey Dickens


might have reported. But certainly the kind of behaviour which in the


finale Evans case -- Nigel Evans case, he was not convicted of a


criminal offence, but his behaviour in the bars of the House of Commons


at the time was cause for comment. It was not criminal behaviour and


nothing like the paedophile stuff. But it was that kind of thing you


would find in the "dirt book". Was there anything you discovered as a


whip that you kept secret that you ought to have said something at the


time? I plead not guilty. I will save that for my memoirs. Thank you


very much for coming in. It is the humbling of a giant, World


Cup hosts Brazil tonight suffered one of the most humiliating defeats


in World Cup history. Crashing out of the semifinal 7-1. What's worse


in front of their own fans. The BBC South America correspondent is in


Rio. How are the commiserations going?


Words like "humiliation" and "embarrassment" are the ones being


put out now. This is one of the fan fests in Rio where thousands have


come expecting the inevitable march towards the final. Only the second


time the World Cup has been held in Brazil. The last time they were


humiliated, they didn't expect it again this time. Losing 7-1 to an


all-powerful German side. A lot of people were leaving at half time,


leaving the stadium at half time, and the inquest will start tomorrow.


I'm sure there will be resignations. The big question is what kind of


anger there will be. Remember this had been an unpopular World Cup to


start w and that unpopularity had given way to outportion of public


happiness as Brazil progressed in the tournament. This will come as a


huge humiliation tonight in a country where football he means so


much. Thank you very much. We're joined in


the studio by the Times sports columnist. Goodness me, what will


happen next? I think it is the most graphic capitulation I have ever


seen in sport. When you consider the enority of the occasion and the


amount of -- enormity of the occasion and the amount of money


invested in the stadiums, and the amount of passion from the people.


It was not just the scoreline it was the manner of the defeat, it was a


psychological capitulation, there were passaged in the first half


where there was abdication of technique and strategy. I think this


will hurt for a very long time. Brazilians often interpret the world


through sporting iconography, the way we think of 1966, not Harold


Wilson winning the general election, but the World Cup triumph. 2014 will


always be remembered in Brazil for probably a moment of most graphic


humiliation. Will it change the way the rest of the world looks at the


World Cup. For Brazil it is such a huge event, and big pressure on them


to do well. Will it change all of that? It won't change how we look at


the World Cup, it is part of the rich and vivid tapestry of sport.


You get these interesting narratives. It won't change the


World Cup but it may change the way Brazil thinks of itself. Perhaps


wrongly football is held up by football mad nations as a barometer


of the self-esteem of the nation. Brazil will find it very difficult,


even though they have bigger challenges than football, social and


economic division, this will really hurt. It may lead to a very deep,


elongated and rather difficult postmortem. For bra still this has


-- Brazil, this has been an unhappy episode, riots, and demonstrations


and huge pressure for the Government for caring for football and wanting


to spend so much on an event like this? Since it has started is a real


carnival, some people have been struck by the adoration for


football. They have been terrific hosts. There is less affection for


the Brazilian people, they haven't played the beautiful game. They have


been cynical and aggressive. I don't think people will mourn the


disappearance of that particular team. But a lot of us, I really felt


this watching on the box at home, I felt very sorry for the people who


wanted it so much. They rather joyfully started "ole-ing" the


Germans in the second half. There was gallows humour which I admire,


but a lot of tearful people. Brazilian fans leaving at half time,


that is completely incongruous with the sport and how much it is loved


in Latin America? That is a good indication of how Woulfe the first


half was. You rarely get to the half time of a football match where hope


has completely dissipated. They were obliterated in the first half. There


was an unusual sense in the second half that the Germans were some how


apologetic. Even though sport is Darwinian, there was a sense that


they wanted the Brazilians to do better. The Germans, oddly, will


take some comfort in the fact that at least Brazil got a goal. At least


they won't feel guilty about it. This will be poured over for many


days, of course which commentators in the papers, but in your view,


having watched the match tonight, what was it that actually went so


badly wrong? Every now and again there is what is sometimes called in


sport a psychological contagion. You get it in betting collapses, one,


two, wickets go down and the fourth person who comes in is already a


state of panic before facing the first ball. There was a real vivid


sense of that happening in the second goal. They didn't know what


they were doing and had lost all sense of the strategic importance of


where the ball was on the pitch. That is what made it so humiliating.


Just a brief word from Rio, from Pele's ghost writing from his


biography. What will Pele think tonight? What will Pele be thinking?


Well he will be devastated like all of Brazil is. As you can see I'm


here at the beach, it is raining cats and dogs. The feeling of


mystery and rain and grimness is really everywhere. I think people


here, rather than being angry yet, are just completely shocked and they


were upset at the first few goals, but in the second half, the sixth


German goal they were laughing but the seventh they were cheering, what


else is there to do but to cheer fantastic German side. And briefly,


what do you think the response will be from the Brazilians in the coming


days in terms of their football team, how will they put things back


together? There will have to be you know some grassroots change. What


essentially has happened today is this feeling that the nation, which


was the nation of the beautiful game, that this is dead. I was


asking a few people on the street saying what were you feeling and


they were saying it is gone, it is gone. The magic this country used to


have is gone. That is the feeling, so football here is more than just a


game of sports. People will be thinking as a nation we are some how


defeated, some how in what we are and trying to do that is what will


be stuff. Peop tend to remember the defeat more than the victory and


this will be remembered for decades. Thank you very much for joining us.


Literally from the beach, strange things have happened today. Brazil


just haven't lost 7-1 it is also raining in Rio. The news is running


late on BBC One. Almost it from us. We leave you with the news that the


Chancellor and the Foreign Secretary were in India today, and they took


the opportunity to announce that a new statue of Gandhi will be erected


in our Parliament Square. Mr Hague called him a towering inspiration.


It is worth rembering back in the 1920 its the mother of parliament


was a bit less taken with him. Gandhi and other political prisoners


have only themselves to blame for the predicament in which they find


themselves today. Is it not true that the fact remains


that After day that has brought us fierce


thunderstorms, tomorrow's prospects look very different. A dry day with


plenty of sunshine. Some cloud building close to the North Sea


coast as the day goes on. The wind strengthening considerably here too,


gusting up to gale force in the second half of the day. The day as a


whole the west will be best for sunny weather,


With Laura Kuenssberg. Britain's role in Syrian chemical weapons, Harriet Harman accuses Gordon Brown of sexism, a discussion on the joint enterprise law, generation Y and the right and the latest on the historic child abuse allegations.

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