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and behaved in an outrageous way, it is amazing it didn't go out. It was

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kept a secret by the Labour whips. He's dead now. He's not here to

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defend himself. There were allegations going on, some DLEEP

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unsavoury, potentially as you have said might be considered illegal now

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and some may have been illegal then, as whips they were in the "dirt

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book"? I never heard any of the allegations like Geoffrey Dickens

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might have reported. But certainly the kind of behaviour which in the

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finale Evans case -- Nigel Evans case, he was not convicted of a

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criminal offence, but his behaviour in the bars of the House of Commons

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at the time was cause for comment. It was not criminal behaviour and

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nothing like the paedophile stuff. But it was that kind of thing you

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would find in the "dirt book". Was there anything you discovered as a

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whip that you kept secret that you ought to have said something at the

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time? I plead not guilty. I will save that for my memoirs. Thank you

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very much for coming in. It is the humbling of a giant, World

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Cup hosts Brazil tonight suffered one of the most humiliating defeats

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in World Cup history. Crashing out of the semifinal 7-1. What's worse

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in front of their own fans. The BBC South America correspondent is in

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Rio. How are the commiserations going?

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Words like "humiliation" and "embarrassment" are the ones being

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put out now. This is one of the fan fests in Rio where thousands have

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come expecting the inevitable march towards the final. Only the second

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time the World Cup has been held in Brazil. The last time they were

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humiliated, they didn't expect it again this time. Losing 7-1 to an

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all-powerful German side. A lot of people were leaving at half time,

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leaving the stadium at half time, and the inquest will start tomorrow.

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I'm sure there will be resignations. The big question is what kind of

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anger there will be. Remember this had been an unpopular World Cup to

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start w and that unpopularity had given way to outportion of public

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happiness as Brazil progressed in the tournament. This will come as a

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huge humiliation tonight in a country where football he means so

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much. Thank you very much. We're joined in

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the studio by the Times sports columnist. Goodness me, what will

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happen next? I think it is the most graphic capitulation I have ever

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seen in sport. When you consider the enority of the occasion and the

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amount of -- enormity of the occasion and the amount of money

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invested in the stadiums, and the amount of passion from the people.

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It was not just the scoreline it was the manner of the defeat, it was a

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psychological capitulation, there were passaged in the first half

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where there was abdication of technique and strategy. I think this

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will hurt for a very long time. Brazilians often interpret the world

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through sporting iconography, the way we think of 1966, not Harold

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Wilson winning the general election, but the World Cup triumph. 2014 will

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always be remembered in Brazil for probably a moment of most graphic

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humiliation. Will it change the way the rest of the world looks at the

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World Cup. For Brazil it is such a huge event, and big pressure on them

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to do well. Will it change all of that? It won't change how we look at

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the World Cup, it is part of the rich and vivid tapestry of sport.

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You get these interesting narratives. It won't change the

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World Cup but it may change the way Brazil thinks of itself. Perhaps

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wrongly football is held up by football mad nations as a barometer

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of the self-esteem of the nation. Brazil will find it very difficult,

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even though they have bigger challenges than football, social and

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economic division, this will really hurt. It may lead to a very deep,

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elongated and rather difficult postmortem. For bra still this has

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-- Brazil, this has been an unhappy episode, riots, and demonstrations

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and huge pressure for the Government for caring for football and wanting

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to spend so much on an event like this? Since it has started is a real

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carnival, some people have been struck by the adoration for

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football. They have been terrific hosts. There is less affection for

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the Brazilian people, they haven't played the beautiful game. They have

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been cynical and aggressive. I don't think people will mourn the

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disappearance of that particular team. But a lot of us, I really felt

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this watching on the box at home, I felt very sorry for the people who

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wanted it so much. They rather joyfully started "ole-ing" the

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Germans in the second half. There was gallows humour which I admire,

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but a lot of tearful people. Brazilian fans leaving at half time,

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that is completely incongruous with the sport and how much it is loved

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in Latin America? That is a good indication of how Woulfe the first

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half was. You rarely get to the half time of a football match where hope

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has completely dissipated. They were obliterated in the first half. There

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was an unusual sense in the second half that the Germans were some how

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apologetic. Even though sport is Darwinian, there was a sense that

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they wanted the Brazilians to do better. The Germans, oddly, will

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take some comfort in the fact that at least Brazil got a goal. At least

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they won't feel guilty about it. This will be poured over for many

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days, of course which commentators in the papers, but in your view,

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having watched the match tonight, what was it that actually went so

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badly wrong? Every now and again there is what is sometimes called in

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sport a psychological contagion. You get it in betting collapses, one,

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two, wickets go down and the fourth person who comes in is already a

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state of panic before facing the first ball. There was a real vivid

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sense of that happening in the second goal. They didn't know what

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they were doing and had lost all sense of the strategic importance of

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where the ball was on the pitch. That is what made it so humiliating.

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Just a brief word from Rio, from Pele's ghost writing from his

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biography. What will Pele think tonight? What will Pele be thinking?

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Well he will be devastated like all of Brazil is. As you can see I'm

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here at the beach, it is raining cats and dogs. The feeling of

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mystery and rain and grimness is really everywhere. I think people

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here, rather than being angry yet, are just completely shocked and they

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were upset at the first few goals, but in the second half, the sixth

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German goal they were laughing but the seventh they were cheering, what

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else is there to do but to cheer fantastic German side. And briefly,

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what do you think the response will be from the Brazilians in the coming

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days in terms of their football team, how will they put things back

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together? There will have to be you know some grassroots change. What

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essentially has happened today is this feeling that the nation, which

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was the nation of the beautiful game, that this is dead. I was

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asking a few people on the street saying what were you feeling and

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they were saying it is gone, it is gone. The magic this country used to

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have is gone. That is the feeling, so football here is more than just a

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game of sports. People will be thinking as a nation we are some how

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defeated, some how in what we are and trying to do that is what will

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be stuff. Peop tend to remember the defeat more than the victory and

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this will be remembered for decades. Thank you very much for joining us.

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Literally from the beach, strange things have happened today. Brazil

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just haven't lost 7-1 it is also raining in Rio. The news is running

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late on BBC One. Almost it from us. We leave you with the news that the

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Chancellor and the Foreign Secretary were in India today, and they took

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the opportunity to announce that a new statue of Gandhi will be erected

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in our Parliament Square. Mr Hague called him a towering inspiration.

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It is worth rembering back in the 1920 its the mother of parliament

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was a bit less taken with him. Gandhi and other political prisoners

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have only themselves to blame for the predicament in which they find

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themselves today. Is it not true that the fact remains

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that After day that has brought us fierce

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thunderstorms, tomorrow's prospects look very different. A dry day with

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plenty of sunshine. Some cloud building close to the North Sea

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coast as the day goes on. The wind strengthening considerably here too,

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gusting up to gale force in the second half of the day. The day as a

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whole the west will be best for sunny weather,

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With Laura Kuenssberg. Britain's role in Syrian chemical weapons, Harriet Harman accuses Gordon Brown of sexism, a discussion on the joint enterprise law, generation Y and the right and the latest on the historic child abuse allegations.


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