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Last month's terror attacks in Paris left 130 people dead and the whole | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
Tonight, six survivors tell of their experiences | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
One of them was taken hostage by the gunmen, | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
All of them speak to us with unflinching honesty | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
about being caught in the middle of a massacre. | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
With each shot the floor would just vibrate, and it felt | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
I said to David, "This is it, I love you, goodbye." | :00:33. | :00:48. | |
I saw them looking up towards the entrance. My mouth just dropped, and | :00:49. | :01:03. | |
I could see fear and I knew there was death on their faces. | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
Also tonight, we'll have the latest as Mr Cameron goes to Brussels. | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
Will he persuade anyone to back his proposals? | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
We are pushing for real momentum so that we can get this deal done, so I | :01:12. | :01:19. | |
will be battling hard for Britain right through the night, and I think | :01:20. | :01:20. | |
we will be getting a good deal. And - was he ever | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
really that special? We'll ask what we can learn | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
from the rise and fall of Jose Countless questions continue to be | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
asked about last month's terror Tonight, with the testimony of six | :01:31. | :01:40. | |
survivors, we will answer some What was it like to be | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
one of the 1,500 people inside the Bataclan concert hall | :01:46. | :01:58. | |
as three gunmen unleashed the carnage that | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
would ultimately leave 90 How did it feel to lie terrified | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
and injured among the bodies of the fallen just inches | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
from a gunman's boots? And how does one even begin | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
to recover from such Please be warned, much | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
of this remarkable film by Newsnight's Warwick Harrington | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
is deeply disturbing. It had been Katie's birthday | :02:17. | :02:54. | |
three weeks previous, and I decided it would be | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
a nice romantic getaway. It's one of the most mythic | :02:57. | :03:11. | |
music halls in Paris. We were thinking we would have one | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
of the best nights of our lives. We've seen Jesse standing there, | :03:15. | :03:29. | |
so we asked him if he was OK He said, for you, babies, | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
tonight I will rock this place, and I was really excited about it | :03:33. | :03:46. | |
and posted it on Twitter. We were thinking probably to avoid | :03:47. | :03:57. | |
going into the big crowd it was more In that picture we are | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
just behind the pole. There is a few steps down | :04:03. | :04:17. | |
to the main dance floor, the bar is behind us and | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
the entrance is directly behind us. I posted my traditional | :04:25. | :04:37. | |
picture on Facebook. I remember we said that it was | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
probably one of the best concerts we had seen because of the energy | :04:41. | :04:59. | |
of the bands and also the ambiance It's one of the most | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
beautiful venues in Paris. I was probably the third | :05:04. | :05:27. | |
or fourth person to get in. I just put myself up | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
at the barrier in the middle. It was the first time I was seeing | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
them on stage and it was fun, it was very fun until the fifth | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
or sixth song where it all began. We heard, you know, | :05:37. | :06:28. | |
something very weird. And I felt hot like a drink spilled | :06:29. | :06:42. | |
on my shoulder. And David was standing behind me, | :06:43. | :06:53. | |
kind of protecting me from getting bashed, | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
or moved around in the concept. And I turned to David and as I said, | :06:56. | :07:03. | |
"Did somebody spill their drink?" There was flashes, sparks. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
And the noise of persistent gunfire. That sound wasn't a good sound. The | :07:08. | :07:20. | |
only way to know was to look at the guys on the stage. I saw them | :07:21. | :07:29. | |
looking towards the entrance. Their mouths just dropped, and I could see | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
fear and I knew there was death on their faces. That look that they | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
had. I have seen the silhouette of a man | :07:40. | :08:24. | |
but at that point the crowd kind of felt to the side. People were | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
dropping that had been hit at this stage. There was a couple just in | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
front of me. The man definitely dropped. I believe maybe what I | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
thought was the drink spilling was his blood hitting me. I don't know. | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
As the gunfire never stopped really for what seems like forever. And | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
when we were on the floor David climbed on top of me to protect me. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
And it was very apparent people were dying around us, and that there was | :08:57. | :09:03. | |
some sort of massacre happening and we were part of it. | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
I felt people falling, everyone, like dominoes. And my body got | :09:11. | :09:23. | |
squeezed against the barrier. And that's when I tried to jump but I | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
couldn't jump. I realised that my right leg was stuck. I knew that | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
because of the people falling, and I tried once and I was just bouncing | :09:36. | :09:43. | |
on the barrier. I kept thinking, the next one is for you. My body was | :09:44. | :09:51. | |
ready to take a shot at any time. It was the noise, the moaning and the | :09:52. | :09:59. | |
blood. We dropped to the floor, and the floor was just filled with | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
blood. I couldn't see my friends, it was still really dark. But I knew | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
they were on the floor, probably underneath people. I could see all | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
of those people, it looked like mountains of people. I remember | :10:14. | :10:21. | |
seeing the purple lights from the bar with the bar sign, and then just | :10:22. | :10:29. | |
a flash, and I knew they were bullets. | :10:30. | :11:09. | |
I knew why my leg was stuck, but was it because people were just scared, | :11:10. | :11:17. | |
or because they were dead? This is why I was asking if you would please | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
and it was selfish. I knew I could feel people dying. People don't | :11:25. | :11:33. | |
believe in spirit and souls. But I remember feeling... | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
You could feel people's souls leaving their bodies? Yes. I just | :11:42. | :11:48. | |
kept thinking the whole time, what could you do... What could you do? | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
But there was nothing we could do. The lights came on, and when they | :11:55. | :12:09. | |
did it wasn't just I think that his blood, it was I'm definitely covered | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
in blood. I'm definitely face down in blood, this is definitely a man | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
that has been shot, this is definitely happening, we can see it | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
now. I watched as he died really. And we were looking at each other. I | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
turned my head and to my right there was a girl who David saw too. She | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
was lying motionless. It was clear she was dead at that point. We hid | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
ourselves, I was with my brother. Each time we just tried to stand up | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
to see there was some shooting, so you protected yourself. | :12:50. | :13:14. | |
I think my first instinct was just to protect her. Shield her. Whatever | :13:15. | :13:26. | |
I could do. When you love someone you want to protect them. I think | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
that was my initial instinct, make sure she is OK. Protect her. Yes. | :13:32. | :13:44. | |
There came a point, the shops were getting closer and closer and the | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
floorboards were quaking, with each shot floor would just vibrate. It | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
felt like it was just beside us. I said to David, this is it, I love | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
you, goodbye. I just thought about our families and that was it, I just | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
kept telling you I love you. I didn't want you to die. I looked to | :14:09. | :14:20. | |
my side and I could see there were black soled boots with black | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
leather, I think. He just walked within feet of us. Again, I thought | :14:25. | :14:34. | |
this is the moment, he's going to point at us now and we were the next | :14:35. | :14:42. | |
to be shot. And somehow he just walked by and he didn't turn the gun | :14:43. | :14:44. | |
at us. When I was in front of one | :14:45. | :15:08. | |
terrorist, I was thinking he will kill my brother, | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
and he communicate with me, he asked me to close the door, | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
please let my brother come in. How many people escape | :15:14. | :15:27. | |
through that hatch? I think about 50, something | :15:28. | :15:29. | |
like that, between 40 and 50. When we arrive on the roof, | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
you have a guy with a very safe voice, just asking come | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
here, trust in me. I think it is the guy | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
from the staff, safety staff. When we saw the two terrorists | :15:41. | :16:06. | |
on the first floor at the other end of the room, coming to us, | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
we tried to escape between the seats on the balcony, but they had seen | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
us, so they start to come and asking They said, we are not going to kill | :16:21. | :16:28. | |
you, that's the first word I heard from them, | :16:29. | :16:36. | |
which was bizarre because every one in the Bataclan was thinking | :16:37. | :16:44. | |
they are going to kill us. The guys started firing, | :16:45. | :17:00. | |
I don't know if they saw us, or if they managed to reload again, | :17:01. | :17:02. | |
and we both dropped because we knew it wasn't safe, | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
they are firing again. I saw in my peripheral vision these | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
doors burst open and I don't know who opened them or how they became | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
open, if someone inside did it, if someone outside had come in, | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
but I saw them and I said to Katie, I laid on my stomach and I crawled | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
out, wiping the blood with my clothes, but I thought, | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
just keep crawling, and I was so scared | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
to look behind me. Other people ran | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
with us at that point. We remember there was dead bodies | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
on the floor and we were almost stumbling to get to the door | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
and we ran down - when I say ran, we stumbled down, I think | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
it was about three steps, I think going outside, | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
that's when maybe for a few seconds I lost it, I couldn't breathe, | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
I just hold my head and thought, At this moment, I heard the voice | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
of the third terrorist who was still downstairs | :18:13. | :18:24. | |
and they are talking to each other, the two with their Kalashnikov | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
upstairs on the balcony, There was a huge explosion | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
in the stage. I think they understood and that's | :18:37. | :18:54. | |
why they asked us to go with them We were trying to run | :18:55. | :19:02. | |
and I was looking at David, I was ahead of him and I was | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
thinking, hurry up, come on, you can't, this isn't the time | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
to sink, let it all sink in and look, we have | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
to keep running and... He said to me, like, | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
I can't run, I've been shot. They took some banknotes out | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
of their pocket like 50 euro banknotes and asked one | :19:24. | :19:39. | |
of the hostages, At this point, I can imagine | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
they wanted to show that they had not any interest in life | :19:45. | :19:58. | |
because they were here to die, so they didn't need | :19:59. | :20:09. | |
any banknotes anymore. They closed the windows, | :20:10. | :20:18. | |
we switch off all the things, so TVs, lights of course, | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
everything, and everybody were just They are all playing | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
with their smartphone, we spent a lot of time | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
to communicate with friends, people, family and so on because all | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
the others know we are there send I posted a picture on Facebook | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
so when people realise something happened there, we received | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
a lot of messaging. They told us that we could thank our | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
President because of the bomb being in Syria and Iraq | :20:49. | :20:59. | |
and they were from Islamic State. They looked very determined, | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
maybe they had taken drugs, I think I said where, | :21:07. | :21:15. | |
where have you been shot? You said your foot and I said | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
OK, I'll drive you. I could see my shoes filled | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
with blood and it was pumping out And Katie told me we have to keep | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
going, she dragged me to safety because, at that point, | :21:34. | :21:44. | |
I was beginning to almost pass out. They were getting nervous | :21:45. | :21:54. | |
because they wanted the police We saw before the final assault some | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
red lights, so we know that people are on the roof, | :22:00. | :22:11. | |
the snipers, so we know that Every hostage is very quiet, | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
we didn't talk to each other. The three hostages behind the door, | :22:15. | :22:25. | |
the terrorists were giving orders to these hostages asking them | :22:26. | :22:34. | |
to listen to what was happening And for the six of us that | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
were standing in front of the window, our only action | :22:42. | :22:50. | |
was to look what was How many people we are, | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
where we are, if we are safe, They ask if we see | :22:56. | :23:06. | |
the explosive belt. The terrorist asked one | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
of the hostages to yell During this period, they had more | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
or less five or six calls. The terrorists were only saying | :23:18. | :23:30. | |
we have hostages, we have explosive belts, if you come too close, | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
we are going to kill They seem not too have any demand, | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
so it gave more impact for me on the fact that they | :23:41. | :23:55. | |
were going to kill us. There was a lot of | :23:56. | :24:05. | |
shooting, explosions. They go boom, they go | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
boom, they go boom. The police throw stun grenades and, | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
at this moment, I fell. I think I was the last hostage, | :24:12. | :24:33. | |
or maybe one of the last, and I can remember precisely | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
the image of one of the terrorists shooting in one hand | :24:40. | :24:47. | |
he has his Kalashnikov and, on the other hand, with his | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
finger on the detonator. The two terrorists are escaping | :24:52. | :25:03. | |
using the stairs and, at this moment, the | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
police start shooting. I'm still wondering why he didn't | :25:11. | :25:20. | |
trigger his detonator If so, we would have | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
all been killed. When the police took us | :25:28. | :25:46. | |
out of the corridor, they said, don't look what's | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
happening in front of the stage. But it was not easy for us | :25:52. | :25:58. | |
not to give a look. How can you think like that, | :25:59. | :26:06. | |
walking in and shooting people in the back while they are having | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
fun at a concert, you know? I don't think it makes sense | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
to you either. I'm doing that dream every time | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
because I think my brain is trained to let me see what it was it | :26:24. | :26:44. | |
was protecting me from. Every night it is the same | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
dream, black background, I don't feel any anger or hatred, | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
it is just a sadness. I feel sad about everybody | :26:56. | :27:03. | |
that was there, whether the ones shooting, or the people | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
who were shot, I just feel very sad. There is no point | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
in being angry. That film was made | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
by Warwick Harrington. Dinner in Brussels for David Cameron | :27:17. | :27:54. | |
tonight but, with the very future of Britain's EU membership | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
potentially on the menu, it's unlikely he was in the mood | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
to savour the cuisine. At stake, the four key reforms | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
he is straining to secure before the In/Out referendum which, | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
we learned today, must take place At the table, EU leaders who have | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
thus far appeared less than keen to meet the Prime | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
Minister's demands. The BBC's political editor, | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
Laura Kuenssberg, is in Brussels What can you tell us about the Prime | :28:21. | :28:34. | |
Minister's pre-planned mood? The talks have just broken up, you might | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
be able to see over my shoulder, the Italian Prime Minister, who is | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
emerging from a very intense session, they have been locked | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
together over dinner with David Cameron speaking for more than half | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
an hour outlining not the technical details, or indeed any new ideas | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
which might unblock the hefty disagreements on all of this, but | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
rather instead he was making his political argument. What he was | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
trying to do tonight, because it has seemed a lot in the last few weeks | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
that he has been really hitting his head against a brick wall, but what | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
he's tried to move on to tonight is say to his counterparts around the | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
EU, I'm not doing this for my own political reasons, I'm doing this to | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
try to address what he believes is a very real concern of British voters | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
about welfare and about immigration that only radical change in his view | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
to the European Union can fix. Given it could be as much as two years | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
before the referendum itself, what will happen next? Well, here's the | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
thing. David Cameron would dearly love to be able to hold the | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
referendum, to give you and me a say in all of this next June. That means | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
although you are right it could go on until the end of 2017, but his | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
timetable, and the one that most European leaders want to stick to, | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
requires a deal in February, by the end of that month, just eight weeks' | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
time. So, in a sense, in is a sort of artificial deadline but it's the | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
political deadline that they want to stick to, given the complexities of | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
dealing with nearly 30 countries and the very, very real disputes here, | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
particularly over the issue of reducing benefits for EU workers who | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
are living and working in the UK, eight weeks, or ten weeks, until a | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
deal at the end of February that thin would -- then would require a | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
public vote in June feels extremely tight. There is a lot of frustration | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
on both sides, on Britain's side that they feel it is about time | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
political leaders around the EU really took this seriously and | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
engage in it, but on the other side, frustration that they are grappling | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
with all sorts of other issues, the migration crisis, what is happening | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
in Greece. At the same time, Britain has already got a lot of special | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
deals from the EU already. Frustration on both sides and no | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
sign yet of any compromise in the middle. Thank you very much. Back in | :30:59. | :31:15. | |
Britain,, given that George Osborne has now | :31:16. | :31:17. | |
jettisoned the policy altogether, you might think that | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
the Government had forgotten - or at least forgiven - | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
the House Of Lords for voting in October to delay the introduction | :31:23. | :31:24. | |
of tax credit cuts and recompense anyone they left worse | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
off than before. It was in the aftermath of that | :31:28. | :31:29. | |
double Lords defeat that David Cameron commissioned | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
Lord Strathclyde to undertake a review of the relationship | :31:34. | :31:34. | |
between the two Houses. Today, it was delivered and, | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
as if by magic, foremost among its recommendations | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
is the suggestion that the House of Lords really shouldn't be allowed | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
to do this sort of thing any more. Lord Falconer, the Shadow Justice | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
Secretary and Shadow Lord Chancellor this is great news for Labour, | :31:46. | :31:55. | |
presumably, you've been agitating the generations to clip the wings of | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
the House of Lords or chop off altogether. Not this one. If you | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
have the House of Lords not elected its right course is to make the | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
Government think again, and if they decide they want to go ahead with | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
something they can force it on the Lord's. What we did on this occasion | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
was asked the government to think again. They thought again and | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
abandon the policy but they made it clear that they would have their | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
revenge. Their revenge took the form four weeks after they had done it in | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
saying, right, you can't do this again. I think that is bad | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
policy-making and is bad for the making of policy in this country. So | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
I'm against it. So this is a Labour peer effectively saying that the | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
Lords needs to retain the power to overrule the elected chamber. It | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
can't overrule the elected chamber. In effect. It can't. It would open | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
to the Commons the act to change their policy but instead they did it | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
by statutory instrument so it would not be properly scrutinised in the | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
Commons. The only risk they faced was that the Lords would make them | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
think again, which is what happened and when they were asked to think | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
again they abandon the policy because the Commons, because they | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
were Tory rebels, probably would have defeated it. That looks like | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
the constitution working to me. I think it is regrettable that the | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
Government have found a tame Lord Hill will do their bidding and say, | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
OK, even though it has obviously worked on this occasion -- Lord, who | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
will do their bidding. The Government had thought again and | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
come up with a different policy. Nonetheless, for purely political | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
reasons they want their revenge. They want their revenge, but they | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
also perhaps want to address the only place in Parliament where there | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
seems to be meaningful opposition at the moment. The Lords are capable of | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
beating the government. Where you have got a built in majority. Where | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
you have a majority of 12, no matter how effective the opposition may be | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
you will almost certainly get your way. But in the Lord's that is not | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
the case because if you can put together a coalition that thinks | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
what the Government is proposing is wrong you can defeat them. That is | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
what happened here. When you defeat them, you don't say you can't do | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
this. All you are saying is perhaps you would like to think about it. | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
When you do that of course you might encourage rebels on their own side. | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
You might. I'm interested in what you said about the Commons, the | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
majority of 12 is quite slim, if you had a unified Parliamentary Labour | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
Party the prospect of drawing blood from the government would be much | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
party, it's the disarray and disunity that has rendered the | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
opposition effectively toothless. There would still be a majority of | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
12 overall, and indeed even with every single party on the other | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
side. It would be good if they were more unified, surely we can agree on | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
that? We voted together, completely unified. On this you did, not on | :34:59. | :35:06. | |
Syria. As a result we got a result in the Commons but not in the Lords. | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
The Tories are now saying but as Mike try and snuff out that degree | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
of opposition by taking away from the Lord's the right on this sort of | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
issue to make the Commons think again. Very briefly, Lord Falconer, | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
where is the nucleus of opposition to this government, where is the | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
beating heart of opposition, in the Lords, in the Commons, the rank and | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
file grassroots? It's in the Labour Party but beyond the Labour Party as | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
well and across the party. The tax credits is you unified not just the | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
political parties but a whole range of people saying, don't punish the | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
working poor, which is what the tax credit but was doing. Lord Falconer, | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
thank you. It was end to end stuff, | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
a game of two halves and, Today Chelsea Football Club parted | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
company with its manager Thanking him for his contribution, | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
the club said the most successful manager in its 110-year history | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
hadn't been good enough this season. Just seven months ago, he led | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
the side to Premier League victory. But trouble began following a draw | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
with Swansea earlier this year - and controversy over his falling out | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
with team doctor Eva Carneiro. The Chelsea manager's response | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
to a 2-1 defeat to Leicester in Monday's Premier League game | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
was to blame everyone from the ball boys - for wasting time - | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
to the players. If they feel Chelsea the way I do, | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
and if they feel being a football professional the same way I do, | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
for sure, some of them, The players, alas, won't get | :36:36. | :36:49. | |
a chance to react differently left the club today | :36:50. | :36:51. | |
for the last time. Joining me now are Arsenal | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
and England footballer Alex Scott and Alastair Campbell, | :36:55. | :36:56. | |
who interviewed Mourinho You are going to have to take him | :36:57. | :37:05. | |
out of the next edition? I don't think so, he is still a winner but | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
he will be defined by how he reacts to this. I think he will come back. | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
I think he should join the long list of people who never go back. I think | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
something has gone very badly wrong. Any idea what? The old cliche, he's | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
lost the dressing room, there is no doubt about that. The players who | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
performed for him last year are not performing for him this year. One of | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
his fellow Premier League managers has a theory about Jose Mourinho, | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
he's a violent personality and his techniques in management are quite | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
violent and that is fantastic when things are going well and people | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
sign up to it. It sounds like Arsene Wenger! In the book, my book, Jose | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
Mourinho is on the back cover, and I put it on the back because I think | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
it's a brilliant quote that defines a winning philosophy, I say to the | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
players go out and enjoy the game, they know what I mean, if they win | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
they enjoy it, if they lose they don't, and that it. There is | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
imitation to that as a philosophy. Arsene Wenger, you mentioned, who | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
has survived far worse periods, although never as low as this in the | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
Premier League, he has got the Champions League every year. He has | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
a sense of football and sports being about values and being about | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
something deeper. When you have Abramovich at the top as this pretty | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
dictatorial figure which none of us really know anything about because | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
he never puts himself up before the fans or the public. And Mourinho is | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
an utter obsessive all about winning, when it goes wrong, where | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
does it go and what is there? I think there is a deeper story there. | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
You mentioned the doctor, some of the incidents there have been with | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
the players. You are looking for the hubris, the one event where the ego | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
overreached itself and it could be the dressing room or the Doctor. I'm | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
interested in what Alastair Campbell said about the manager's role about | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
how happy you are when you are playing. To an outsider it must seem | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
strange, when the whistle goes your enjoyment about that game is what is | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
happening on the part, not the fellow in the dugout. The | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
relationship between the manager and player is key. Looking back at my | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
career when I played my best it was always when I had a great and | :39:10. | :39:11. | |
personal relationship with my manager bringing the best out of me. | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
How do they do that? Players in the modern game like that, the arm | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
around their shoulder, feeling valued. That sort of thing. I think | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
we will see lots more things come out. The whole topic about losing | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
the whole dressing room, in football I don't think you lose the whole | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
dressing room, you will lose one or two players and if they are the big | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
characters that is when it can be a big problem. If they have a direct | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
line to the guy at the top command agents I think now have direct lines | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
all over the place. --, and agents. Even for a guy like Mourinho | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
all over the place. --, and agents. possible to be undermined by | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
somebody like Abramovich. Alice and I said we thought they would give | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
him the season because they will not get Champions League, he has written | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
it off, Abramovich has written it off and they will not get a manager | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
who will think about that. They could qualify for it if they win | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
this season's, so that might be why they have decided to. It would be a | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
big ask for a caretaker manager. Have you ever had an experience | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
where the manager has sapped your joy to play and you were not getting | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
support from the dugout and the dressing room that you wanted and | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
that possibly dressing room that you wanted and | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
pitch? I would not say sapped. In terms of the style of | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
pitch? I would not say sapped. In wanted to play, all with players not | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
being on board but as a professional player you go out | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
being on board but as a professional manager asks of you. It was | :40:32. | :40:33. | |
interesting when he came out and said he felt betrayed. | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
interesting when he came out and you listen to that and think | :40:37. | :40:37. | |
hold-up, I'm trying to do my job you listen to that and think | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
I'm working for you so for him to come out and | :40:42. | :40:43. | |
I'm working for you so for him to was the end point. When these top | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
managers do their interviews they are talking to the players can | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
managers do their interviews they as a player we are watching that. | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
That was a deliberate message to the players and it was because he had | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
tried players and it was because he had | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
worked. I suspect Abramovich watched players and it was because he had | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
if he's talking about betrayal and they will feel | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
because of what he said. I think there are Hollywood films to be made | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
about this because it was such a spectacular fall. I still think he | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
will be back, by the way. They have got to make the Jamie Vardy story | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
first! He has a walk on part with that goal the other day. Very | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
briefly, how much difference can a manager make to a good player | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
turning him into a brilliant player? Mourinho famously told Frank Lampard | :41:30. | :41:31. | |
turning him into a brilliant player? he was the best player in the world | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
at one point, which fall of Frank's skills probably isn't true but he | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
played as if he believed it after that. When you have a manager | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
filling you with confidence, and that. When you have a manager | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
goes back to mutual respect, as a player you want to give the manager | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
you're all. And it makes you go player you want to give the manager | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
pitch. Mourinho player you want to give the manager | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
world after Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta. I thought | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
world after Messi, Ronaldo and was falling over, and it seemed to | :42:01. | :42:02. | |
me refusing to play the other night, what has gone on between them to go | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
from Mourinho seeing him what has gone on between them to go | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
player in England and fourth best player in the world, to clearly a | :42:10. | :42:11. | |
religion player in the world, to clearly a | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
We will have to wait | :42:16. | :42:29. |