06/01/2016 Newsnight


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It was a reshuffle designed to bring unity around the Shadow Cabinet


Three walk-outs later, the party stands as divided as ever.


I don't think we can ever have a process like this ever again.


The last few weeks, all of the briefing,


which everybody tells me has come straight from the leader's office.


We need to know exactly what has happened.


The arguments go on - we'll ask is there anything that


After dozens of attacks on women in Cologne,


Germany's divided on how welcoming to be to migrants and refugees.


The latest hot watch - dot-macro making a murderer.


But are you equipped to take a view on a real life murder,


Because you're watching this, you may not realise that the latest


series of Celebrity Big Brother got going on Channel 5 yesterday.


It's long, it's drawn out, it's a melodrama that runs all hours


of day and night involving the comings and goings of people


most of whom you've never heard of, and who seem to share only one thing


Let's talk about the Labour reshuffle.


Yesterday saw actual shadow cabinet changes,


And another three changes caused by resignations.


It's been a restive few days in the Labour ranks,


a testing week for shadow cabinet discipline,


and in fairness, cabinet discipline too.


Is it all settled in the Labour Party now?


it was in the dying minutes of yesterday that Labour's reshuffle


was supposed to be finalised. The Shadow Foreign Secretary, apparently


in jeopardy but then received. The shadow culture secretary was sacked


for disloyalty and incompetence replaced by someone who didn't agree


with the leader to be replaced by Emily Thornbury. This was the


picture as we left it last night, as Westminster went to bed. These


changes set in motion a ripple of discontent that spread through the


rest of the Labour Parliamentary party. By morning it had led to


resignations. One shadow minister resigned live on this morning's


daily politics. Are you considering your position? I have just written


to Jeremy Corbyn to resign from the front bench. It was clear a common


theme was concerned, the reshuffle had moved Labour further towards


unilateralism. He has appointed Emily Thornbury, who is closer in


his views on Trident. But the fact of the matter is, we have got to be


credible on defence in the country. Another common concern in the three


resignations, how the shadow Europe minister, Pat McFadden, was treated.


Sacked for what was seen as a thinly veiled criticism of Jeremy Corbyn's


approach to terrorism. It sees terrorists act as being a response


to what we in the West do. For Jonathan Reynolds, up until this


morning the shadow rail minister, the reason given for Pat Mac


hadn't's sacking was the last straw. I am concerned by sacking him and


making the statement we will give the public the wrong impression


about Labour national-security issues. I think it would be a


fundamental mistake to let people think we endorse the view. Somehow


we in the west always to blame but active terrorism. Smith said the


reshuffle was necessary to give Labour a coherent voice. It is


important we are united against the government and holding it to


account. The party has been united on domestic issues. We have seen a


U-turn on tax credits and a reversal of the proposed cuts to police


funding which would have affected my constituency in Lancashire. Where we


have had more variety of opinions has been on foreign policy and


defence. This reshuffle have seen Jeremy Corbyn strengthen his


position within the party to ensure we have a coherent message coming


out from the Labour Party when it comes to holding the government to


account. Part of the Parliamentary Labour Party have been traumatised


by the reshuffle of the past few days and the briefings that preceded


it. They want to find out why, in their view, this has been so badly


handled. I don't think we can ever have a process like this again. It


has been a complete disaster. The last few weeks, all of the briefing,


which everybody tells me it has come straight from the leader's office.


We need to know exactly what has happened. The party needs to look at


this and we need answers from the leader's office. We need assurances


it will never happen again. We cannot have a situation where senior


shadow ministers are reading in the press they will be sacked and they


are being picked off one by one. MPs will want assurances this never


happens again. Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you, Mr Speaker. As the Labour


leader appeared at Prime Minister's Questions, he had a Shadow Cabinet


more in step with his thinking. Back can only help him. It is also clear


he has had to pay a political price for this in worsening relations with


some of the people sitting behind him.


Joining me now is Diane Abbott, the Secretary of State for International


Development. Very good evening. What an interesting three days.


Let's clarify the rules of engagement. Hilary Benn, I think he


said, you will go on exactly as before. John Macdonald described as


what described as a change in the rules of engagement. Where do you


stand on that? Jeremy has never been more popular with party members.


What party members want to see is a Shadow Cabinet, people at the top of


the party, reflecting the views of the party. What happened over Syria


is Hilary Benn was reflecting his own views. The majority of the


Shadow Cabinet voted with Jeremy. What is being asked is not unusual,


just a measure of collective responsibility. Has something


changed for the way Hilary Benn has to be head, or has nothing changed?


Party members would like to think that when Hilary Benn gets up at the


dispatch box, he will be reflecting the policies of the Labour Party. In


that sense, that is what it should always have been. Let's pretend the


Syria vote was being held next week and the debate is next week. Take me


through how different it would be, there wouldn't be a free vote on


Syria? Where would you go and that now? There is no merit are reliving


history. What we are clear about as a team, we don't want a rerun of a


position where the Shadow Foreign Secretary is not reflecting the


views of the party. That is why you had a free vote? For me on the back


ventures exercising my free vote and the Shadow Home Secretary getting up


at the dispatch box and saying things that don't reflect the views


of the party. Can Hilary Benn now speak in favour of Trident? It


depends on the party policy. That was set at the party conference. We


are about to review party policy. He cannot speak in favour of Trident


now? You don't seem clear. I am perfectly clear. What the party


looks for is the team at the top of the party that reflects a Labour


Party policy. With respect, what the party looks for, there are rules of


engagement between the Shadow Cabinet members that are slightly


different to the rules that govern the normal cabinet. I am in the


Shadow Cabinet, there are no written rules. Party members are tired of


MPs, that is what MPs are bad. It is about the Labour Party turning their


guns on the Tories are not this constant attacking of the


leadership. He was saying Hilary Benn cannot argue in favour of


Trident, even though it is Labour Party policy. Because the members


don't like it. This is going round and round. But this is what you have


been saying. I said we were reviewing our policy and depending


on what the conclusions of the review is, we will expect the front


bench team to reflect the Labour Party at that point. It Jeremy


Corbyn says replacing Trident is a good idea, they will fall in line


with that? Can you imagine Jeremy Corbyn arguing in favour of Trident?


Can you imagine anybody querying Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed


Miliband as to whether they were willing to reflects the views of the


Labour Party. Most of the Shadow Cabinet were in favour of Trident,


most of your members were not. Doesn't your party have a deep


problem? Because if you're leading lights, the people who have risen to


the top, if they don't agree with the members and you are saying the


members are entitled to their view, how is it going to work? You buy


into this obsessive Westminster stuff. I wonder how those people in


the Shadow Cabinet, including Tom Watson, whether they are expected to


say stuff they don't believe because the members want them to? Everyone


in the Shadow Cabinet is a Democrat and a member of the Labour Party.


They offer free spirits and intelligent people. When we arrived


at our policy, we speak of the policy and that is how the party has


always worked. Did you answer the one whether Hilary Benn can speak in


favour of Trident tomorrow? We are in the middle of reviewing policy.


So you cannot? We are facing a massively incompetent and uncaring


of and and you want to take me round and round this Westminster quibble,


instead of asking the question, what do party members want? They want us


to turn our guns on the Tories. Why this constant hyperventilating about


Jeremy? Donald today on Channel 4 News was talking about the hard


right in the party. There is an argument going on in your party and


neither side, you, nor the other side, seems able to put down the


weapons and say, let's have a truce, shut up talking to each other and


talk about the Tories. I am not attacking people, as people. I will


say this about the people who have resigned and so on. Kevan Jones, I


consider him a friend and he is a big loss. When you look at Jonathan


Reynolds, if you look at Mr Dugher, look at some of the others, what do


they have in common? They are all former specialist advisers. People


that came up under a certain system, they did politics at university,


became an MP and then a minister. Who are rightfully upset because


Jeremy has brought new energy and new people into politics. I was


putting to you the fact that neither side of the argument in your party


can put down weapons and stop arguing. Then you said we need to


turn our guns on the Tories and then immediately turned your fire on the


party. It is not a left right... It is. A lot of people want to see


authentic people at the top politics who necessarily having just been


advisers. You had the accusation from Ian Austin in the piece about


senior colleagues of Jeremy Corbyn briefing against other colleagues.


Do you believe that has been going on? I don't. If we had evidence of


it, would you believe it is disloyal and people who have been doing it


should step aside? The idea is absurd. What Ian Austin is


suggesting is something excessive and sinister, and wrong. It is


simply not true. Just as Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, people get off the


record briefings to people like yourself. Ian Austin's influencing


saying it is wrong is absurd. Maria Eagle, who believes in Trident, was


she removed because of that or some other reason? What do you think? I


think you have an idea. Jeremy is a kind and thoughtful person and that


is why his reshuffle took so long. He spoke to people at length. He has


found a Maria Eagle a fantastic brief and she is happy. Most people


believe it is because she believed in Trident and so she is the first


person sacked from the card at -- cabinet. You'll have to ask Maria


but Jeremy has strong support from the party and the country and they


want us to attack the Tories. It has been said that she is happy


with the move. That's correct. Is that right or just based on hope


or... It is a great brief. What is not to like. What did David Mellor


call it ministry for fun. We will ask her. It is a great brief. It is


a pleasure. Thank you. Germany is in a state of some shock


at events on New Year's Eve in Cologne and some


other big cities. It was more than rowdy behaviour -


fireworks were dangerously lobbed into crowds, there was


intimidation of women, And it seems to have been


perpetrated by large gangs of young To a country that has been


so welcoming to refugees, it's led to some deep soul-searching


and it's divided opinion. Katie Razzall has


been looking into it. More than 100 women


in Cologne reporting sexual harassment, robbery and even


rape on New Year's Eve around Allegedly assaulted by groups of men


described as of North African In a country coming to terms


with a million new migrants last year alone, the attacks


appear organised. Up to 1,000 men in groups


surrounding women, to hem them in, New Year's Eve was last


Thursday, but the news Originally the Cologne police said


it had been a peaceful night, but when the story did emerge


the media was slow to report it. One German TV channel today


apologised but it has fed conspiracy theories about media


bias towards refugees. supporters and the right-wing party


which hopes to join the parliament after the nationwide


elections next year. I think German media


faces a dilemma here. On the one hand, they don't


want to be called racist and they don't want to strengthen


the Islamophobic movement by quickly reporting rumours or accusations


circulating on Facebook. But if they act too


slow alternative media outlets are quickly there,


calling them lying press. Today, pro and anti-migrant


demonstrators scuffled outside the station, as police said


they were investigating links to a criminal network


of North African Last night, demonstrators targeted


the ruling CDU party which has welcomed so many refugees


to Germany recently. The government said connecting


the attacks to the issue of refugees is a misuse of


the debate, but plenty of fearful. In a country already soul-searching


about its generosity Newsnight has spoken to police


the common who told us more than 50 women have now reported attacks


with similar tactics The assailants are described


as Arab, North African and southern The police say they


expect more women to Marcus Pretzell is an MEP


for the right wing party What conclusion do you draw from the


events on New Year's Eve? Good evening. Well, I understand that


there are people that are concerned it might be stereotypes we are


talking about, but we have to see that this has never happened in


Germany in the last decades. We have never experienced incidents like


these that happened in Cologne, Hamburg, Stuttgart, and many other


cities in Germany. So this is not only a stereotype, but it is


reality. It has happened and we need to talk about why this happened, why


it is that Arab men and Northern Africans don't accept our middle


European culture and why they don't respect our women and that's an


incident really we need to talk about and we need to talk about how


we can integrate one and a half million people that came to Germany


in 2015 alone and that might even have their families brought to


Germany and will mean five to seven million foreigners come to Germany.


When it comes to race and religion and nationality, one of the things


we know is when you do generalise across a whole population that Arab


men are like this, it doesn't lead anywhere construcktive, are you


using this to tar a large number of people, most of whom are not groping


womening, to tar them all with that same brush. Sorry I didn't


understand the last phrase. Whether you're painting them all, everybody


who is Arab or African by that smaller number of people who behave


badly. Of course not. Because we have had one and a half million


coming to Germany in 2015 and if it were only 1,000 men in Cologne on


New Year's Eve and some hundred others in other cities. But still


this is a huge number. It doesn't mean every Arab man is raping German


women. Of course not. But what we have to see is that these incidents


happen more often since we have had these so-called refugees in Germany


and those numbers that we experienced in 2015. Sorry we are


very much out of time. In a sentence, do you think what happened


on Thursday last week has made a difference to public opinion in


Germany? Yes of course it has, because the public now realises that


women, that had been surrounded by these men, having the police


standing around and not being able to help these women, and this is a


traumatic thing to happen to women of course. And I believe there are


many people in Germany now. Yes? Sorry, we do have to leave it there.


We have ran out of time. In this country, in the west,


we enjoy getting excited about the most trivial of things -


ballroom dancing contests, Many of our human dramas


are manufactured to be dramatic But for the next ten minutes,


immerse yourself in a story from a less fortunate


part of the world - a human tale of more


substantial consequence than a talent show,


but one which ended up on a television


programme nevertheless. It's the story of a Kurd, Maryam,


who through no fault of her parents, was separated from her


family as a baby. First of all, if she could or not,


which to a certain degree I can tell you she Is Kurd and she


is one of the missing. Third thing is, which family


does she belong to? Now we get some kind


of answer for the You can watch the documentary on the


news channel this weekend. That was produced, directed


and filmed Now, on the subject of human


drama on television, we are in the midst of a wave


of engrossing real-life murder If you liked the podcast Serial,


you might like HBO's The Jinx. Or the one that's being talked


about at a watercooler near you now, a series from Netflix called


Making a Murderer. It examines the case


against Steven Avery, a working class man


from rural, Wisconsin. The trouble he refers


to was a wrongful conviction The people that were close to Steve


knew what he was like coming he always liked to make people laugh.


He didn't dress like everybody else, the family didn't fit into the


community. Steve did a lot of stupid things, but he always owned up to


what he had done. The trouble he refers


to was a wrongful conviction He served 18 years for that before


DNA evidence exonerated him - an astonishing miscarriage


of justice and some shocking revelations are made about how


he ended up in jail. I'm not giving anything


away by the way - this The next nine hours of the series


concern Mr Avery's subsequent Is he guilty, or is it the revenge


of a Wisconsin justice system The documentary invites us


to form a judgement, Earlier tonight I spoke


to the film-makers Moira Demos They spent ten years documenting the


story. Well, what we tried to do with this


series was we saw this as an opportunity to


document the process and we were there as events


were unfolding and tried to document every step of the process and that's


really how you can come to some sort But it will be up to


viewers you know based What the prosecution did and how


the court system worked whether we can rely


on these verdicts. But I mean I ask the question,


Laura, because 15,000 people have signed a petition asking


for Steven Avery to be pardoned. Now they effectively have come up


with their own judgment, they don't want a retrial,


they want a pardon. Are they right to ask for that,


or are they jumping the gun a I don't think the documentary places


viewers in a position to really be able to fairly judge


whether or not Steven Avery committed the crime


for which he was charged You know, as Moira said,


what we were setting out to do was to document the process that


led to that conviction. But the short answer


to your question is no, I do not believe


that the documentary places viewers in a position


to decide questions of guilt or not Are both of you open-minded about


the case, or were you open-minded or did you go in with something


of an agenda when you started? I think we were open-minded


when we started and if anything The film isn't open-minded,


the documentary isn't open-of-minded, no one really


believes that, do they? You know we pointed the camera


at things that were happening These are things that


were not shared before It is a brilliant documentary


series, but you're in with the family of Steven Avery


and you're in with the defence, you're not there


with the prosecution. Maybe the prosecution


didn't want to help you, but it is clearly much more


from that point of view than from an even-handed,


other side point of view, Well, we are documentarians,


which means we are storytellers and part of the story


that we sought to tell was an exploration of the experience


of an accused in the American criminal justice system and I think,


as the series bears out, that's not just the experience


of the person who is accused, but also the people


who care about that person, the people who are intimately


involved in their lives, so, yes, we you know spent quality


time with the Averys and you know we very much include


of course their point of view, as well as Steven


Avery's point of view, But that said, we cast


a very wide net. We reached out to


people on all sides. Anybody who could offer


a first hand account, who had some stake in the events


that were playing out - and that included law enforcement,


that included the prosecutor, Not just for the Halbach case,


but this was a documentary series that spans 30 years, it is an epic,


layered story and it's certainly not a series about did Stephen Avery


and Brendan Dassey That would be


a mischaracterisation But the prosecutors clearly aren't


terribly happy and they have focussed on the fact that they think


evidence that they consider important was not included


in the selection that was put Well I mean I have heard some


of what Ken Kratz is saying in the media, now he is saying some


of these pieces of evidence are the most compelling


pieces of evidence. That is never what he said


during the two years You know, we took


our clues of what to include of the State's


case from the State, from the prosecutor,


from his press conferences, from his opening statement


and his closing argument. So we tried to put in you know


in the three and a half hours we had for Stephen's trial the elements


from the six-week trial that were the most important,


the most damning What is so interesting


about it and the documentary and the case is that


you're accused to some extent of what you're accusing


the justice system of - which is perhaps going in selecting


the evidence that suits I just wonder whether


you see the irony of that, that you're in a way


being accused of fitting a story, which is what you're


accusing the justice I don't really know how


anyone is in a position We spent 10 years, collectively 20


years, making this documentary, I guarantee you that


you know we read all of the primary source materials we could get our


hands on for a multitude of matters Just because the prosecutor now


comes forward, after having declined various interview requests by us,


and attacks us and understands the power of accusation


doesn't mean that there there's any voracity


to what he is saying or anyone should give any weight


to what he's saying. We believe you know we achieved


the goals we set out to achieve. So and we think that this


is a social justice documentary, We always hoped it would promote


a dialogue about our criminal justice system and if people


want to take a slanted or myopic view of what this series really


offers, that is their prerogative, but it doesn't mean


that we need to engage Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi,


thank you both very much. We leave you with an odd centenary -


the railway bridge in Durham, North Carolina, which is exactly 14


feet and eight inches high, which is two feet lower


than the standard US truck. It generally comes off best


when it meets one of them, and this week it claimed


its one hundredth victim. This being the 21st century,


nearly all of it's victims have been recorded by one Mr Jurgen Henn


for his website11foot8.com. So far the infamous bridge has


claimed half a million dollars in damage and become a bit of a case


study in the limitations The weather is on the change, but


for the time being we have more rain to