05/02/2016 Newsnight


05/02/2016

In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with James O'Brien. The programme looks at in-fighting between Brexit campaigners.


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Tonight - the rival groups campaigning for Britain to leave

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We'll ask the chair of Labour Leave why they want to leave Vote Leave.

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You're making a terrible snake. My guess, nobody wants this, we're

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supposed to be professionals. This is a victory that

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cannot be denied. Julian Assange thinks he's been

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vindicated by today's UN opinion. We'll ask one of its authors what

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arbitrary detention really means. Also tonight - the rise

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and rise of Marco Rubio. Tea Party candidate,

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conservative, or the man who could unite the Republican

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party of America? We're on the trail in

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Miami, his home town. And in tonight's Artsnight -

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a look at the power of masks. I'm the conduit

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for Nina's true self. It would take an optimist

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of Pollyannaish proportions to describe the reception here this

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week for David Cameron's EU renegotiation as anything

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better than mixed. The Danish Prime Minister likes it,

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though, and today pledged his full support for the so-called

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brake on benefits his UK There has, however, been arguably

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even better news for Mr Cameron today from the most unlikely

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of sources: the competing and increasingly conflicting

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campaigns to leave the European Newsnight's Chris Cook has been

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trying to make sense of a day that's seen more comings and goings

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than a Eurostar terminal. You don't need proof when you have

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instinct. It's at the final scene from Reservoir dogs, that is what

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lead member for one of the groups campaigning to leave the EU said

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tonight. The Eurosceptics have had a good week, but they are locked in

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office politics. Why? No need for this.

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by Lord Lawson, the former Tory Chancellor.

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Then, there is Leave.EU, a separate campaign backed

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by Aaron Banks, a prominent Ukip donor.

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He also supports Grassroots Out, a separate campaigning organisation

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which has support from Tory MPs and one Labour MP.

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And they are fighting between them for something big.

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The Electoral Commission double donate one campaign group as the

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official voice of leaving and it gets higher spending limit and the

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right to a television broadcast and probably funded mailshot, so to get

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picked, each campaign is trying to show off that their support base is

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a broader representation of the Eurosceptic movement than the

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others. So it matters that Labour Leave,

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which is designed to be a vessel to build support for Brexit from

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among members of the Labour Party, seems to be drifting

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from its affiliation to Vote Leave Vote Leave strikes a different tone

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to the other campaigns, it talks about science and the cost of the

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EU. The others, closer to Ukip, are stronger on immigration. So there

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are differences of opinion between those campaign groups.

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In an internal e-mail sent to Vote Leave staff early this week,

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the chair of the organisation, John Mills, said...

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The bottom line is that Labour Leave are fed up with the way

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that they have been treated by Vote Leave and the intransigent

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and insensitive, from their perspective, policies it proceed.

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Their abrasive Campaign Director, Dominic Cummings, was criticised

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Dominic, what on earth are you doing?

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Generating more and more ill-feeling like this entirely unnecessarily.

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I thought you had promised to stop doing this sort of thing.

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The result is politics as scripted by Abbot and Castella. The chair of

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Labour Leave says they should vote for Vote Leave but John Mills says

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Labour Leave should stay as part of Vote Leave. The result is, if Labour

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Leave stays affiliated to Vote Leave, the leaders of Labour Leave

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will probably leave Labour Leave because they want Labour Leave to

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leave Vote Leave. Anyway, the bad news perhaps for these grassroots

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activists meeting tonight is that Vote Leave are still the favourite

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for designation but the big weakness is among Labour and Ukip Brexit fans

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so if Kate Hoey has taken Vote Leave out of Vote Leave, that is an

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important blow. Joining me now from Salford

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is the Labour MP Kate Hoey. Are you still in Labour Leave or

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Vote Leave or both or neither? It all sounds very amusing but it is a

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very serious thing because I have been to a huge meeting tonight of

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grassroots people from all over this area who just want to work together

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to get out of the EU and Labour Leave has had difficulties within

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Vote Leave, the staff were not happy about the way they were treated and

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really it is more about the kind of campaigning, we want to get out

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there and get on with it whereas a lot of time is spent clearly by Vote

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Leave on wanting to get designation. Designation will come at some stage

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but we have all got to work together, there is a lot of people

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involved in campaigning against the EU long before the referendum was

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announced and they are there to play their part and I think what the

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messages, the message we have been getting in Labour Leave for the last

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week or two from supporters across the country is everybody should be

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getting together and also they were delighted that finally the voices

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are coming out of Labour saying that we're not all into being part of the

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EU. Yes, the one thing everyone can agree on is that you are keen to

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leave the EU. That was not really what I was trying to establish, is

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Labour Leave still part of Vote Leave? I'm still very much part of

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Labour Leave, there was one of the founders. Is Labour Leave... Let me

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finish, a number of MPs all involved with grassroots -- Grassroots Out,

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this is a movement bringing people together across the country and we

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saw that in Kettering last week and these people in the public, who

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finally have the vote, not MPs or the elitists of this country, they

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are the people who want us to have one campaign and work together and

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by leaving out becoming independent and Labour Leave and those of us who

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are active in that we'll be working with independently but with people

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across the country in grassroots campaigns. John Mills has been a

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wonderful supporter of getting out of the EU for many years and he may

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well decide, because he has been involved with Vote Leave as a donor

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and very business for Britain, he might decide to stay with Vote Leave

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and that is fine, we have not fallen out, we just want to make sure that

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we and our members... Understood, you're keen for everyone. I think I

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understand. I would appreciate it is complicated. People really care

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about designation on the doorsteps. I was going to ask you about that.

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Asking everybody to put together and you are affiliated to the Grassroots

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Out... We are not affiliated to any thing. Bankrolled by Aaron Banks,

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who described develop the top of your previous organisation as being

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two of the most unpleasant people he ever had the misfortune to meet.

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Sorry, two of the nastiest individuals. That is not sound like

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it is dedicated to pulling together. Vote Leave has the only Ukip MP on

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the board so they actually have the Ukip MP on their board. Ukip is

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going to play a very big part in whatever campaign gets designation.

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Aaron Banks today said... Who bankrolls Grassroots Out. And

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Leave.EU? You are wrong, there are five big donors supporting

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Grassroots Out and we're getting even more and after today more

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people will be prepared to support a campaign that is going to bring in

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everybody that I would say that everybody has their views about

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different people and I am not genuinely interested in

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personalities, about who like Sue or who has done what, I am interested

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in getting a mobilisation of people across the country and the people

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who are best able to do that at the moment are grassroots people. Which

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is Grassroots Out? Yes. I was speaking at the rally tonight. The

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mist circling, does Labour Leave still exist? Yes, we are a minority

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of MPs, were without doubt a minority of MPs but we have become

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very active, strong MPs like Kelvin Hopkins, we have many people who

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voted for Labour in the past and who would run away from Labour because

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we never were prepared to take on the issue of the EU and support a

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referendum who are now beginning to say, actually, if we have people in

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the Labour Party who say that there is a difference and they want to

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come out, they will look again at the Labour Party. I hope that the

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leadership realises that if you want to really genuinely engage with all

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of those people that we have lost over the years, we should be

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allowing, as I know the Jeremy Corbyn has no objection to, people

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like myself campaigning strongly to leave the EU, it has to be the

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people of this country deciding that and they will. This is it, no more

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shuffling around? I am not shuffling anywhere, I want to get around and

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talk to people and persuade them. Glad to hear it. Many thanks indeed.

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Jeremy Corbyn tonight faces calls to halt the allegedly widespread

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practice of Muslim men preventing Muslim women from becoming

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The accusation has been made by the Muslim Women's Network UK

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and a letter sent by them to the Labour leader this evening

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describes "systematic misogyny displayed by significant numbers

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In this exclusive report, Newsnight's Katie Razzall reveals

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accusations of sabotage, smear campaigns and slander borne,

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it is claimed, of a cultural mindset imported from India,

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No prizes for spotting who was missing in these pictures are mainly

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Muslim Labour Party gatherings. In this recent tweet from a Birmingham

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MP, he writes... If Muslim women are not in the

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picture, is this a coincidence? Or is there something more troubling

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going on? People were turning up at the family home to humiliate my mum

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-- my mother. The cars they did not have my father 's consent, I had to

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step down. Labour officials must be allowing this to happen, this is not

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happening in a vacuum. In parts of the UK with large Muslim

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populations, where voting Labour is traditionally a given, locals often

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choose Muslim men to represent them that there is mounting evidence of

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Muslim women being denied the chance to face the electorate. Their route

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into politics is blocked by Labour men from their own community and the

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women are fighting back. Newsletters in a letter that has just gone to

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the Labour leader from Muslim -- from Muslim Women's Network UK,

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demanding an enquiry into what it calls systematic misogyny in the

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selection process. These men have a cultural mindset, they come from

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places like India and Pakistan and Bangladesh and operate this rather

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Male kinship system and they do not like women being empowered the cause

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then we're going to then challenge the status quo, we're going to

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challenge the misogyny, we're going to challenge the fact that our

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rights are being denied in our own community. I very enjoyed being a

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councillor, and meeting people. This woman is one of the dozen women use

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that has spoken to with claims of sabotage as they try to become

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Labour councillors. This activist who grew up in Birmingham told me

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the local parties male Muslim members told me a woman would never

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be elected sure. Other time I was aware of a smear campaign, they said

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I was having an affair with one of the existing councillors, who was

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still a councillor in the area. So I was quite upset about that and taken

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back that people would say that without any evidence. People were

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turning up at my family home and is trying to intimidate my mother. We

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want to stop her daughter from pursuing becoming a councillor. Do

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you know who they were? It would be members of the Labour Party. My

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mother saw them. She said they were members of the Labour Party. Muslim

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men. Newsnight has spoken to other Muslim women who claim to have been

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blocked as councillors. One said that they spread the standard about

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me being a shut, that is where they get here. Another search of a stool

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that Islam and feminism are not compatible and another different

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gay-rights says this is not Islamic. Many talk of being criticised for

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being too westernised and behaving like a white woman. The Muslim --

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the Muslim Women's Network UK accuses the national party of being

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complicit. Muslim women are telling us that we have been complaining of

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this, but we do not get listened to and we have examples of where we

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have tried to circumvent local councillors to sidestep them and

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tried to go to more senior politicians and they say we do not

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get listened to. Nobody comes back to us. But they are obviously quite

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scared to come out with those e-mails because of the backlash they

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might face. Hello. Do you live in the local ward? These kind of

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allegations are very hard to prove. It is often one person's word

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against another. This woman is an advocate for local woman is its in

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her hometown of Peterborough. A Labour Party member for years, she

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was the first choice to stand for a particular council seat in 2007. She

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claims from her father refused to allow that, the local Labour branch

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respected his wishes. I didn't think it has to do with religion, because

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religion empowers women and it gives them their rights, it is a culture

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because they didn't have my father 's consent and support and I had to

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step down. I was pressured into that. How old were you? 31, married

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with two children. We have spoken to senior Muslim men within Peterboro

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Labour who say she decided to step down if own accord due to family and

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not Labour Party pressure. She is now standing for the Conservatives,

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cleaning that is the only way she can represent women in the area. All

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political parties want more women and minority candidates into

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politics and the Labour Party has a better record than others. It

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introduced positive action including all women short lists to get more

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women into local government. But this sitting councillor in Leicester

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told me there are ways in some parts of the city with high Muslim

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populations that her local party deliberately gets around the

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national party's guidance to select women. They would say there will not

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add a great candidates among the women. Was that true? No, they were

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brilliant candidates among the women. By the Met them and had

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discussions with them, they were brilliant. They were barred. By the

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membership. Of course Muslim women are getting through. On Birmingham

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Council, over 20 also Muslim councillors, three women. On the

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face of it the party has made real progress. We've come on in leaps and

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bounds in Birmingham 's this 2007, it's nowhere near perfect, our

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chambers need to look like the communities they serve. How

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difficult has it been to persuade the membership in those areas to

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agree with you when it comes to women? I would not say we had 100%

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agreement. But by and large the leadership have been very

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supportive. But last year it did not seem that integration was going well

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in Birmingham when this picture was treated by a Birmingham MEP showing

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how man and woman were segregated. We found another post online for a

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rally of the year before. On both occasions what is described as a

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women's section was organised by one local councillor. It is the first

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time she has spoken publicly about it. It was not forced segregation.

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That would be inappropriate for anyone to do that. The post itself

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said that women, it said something like a councillor Khan is inviting

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women to attend. It said councillor Khan is organising a women's

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section. The reason was to try to encourage women to attend and not

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say that they would sit separately. If it was going to be segregated I

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would not be sitting on the platform with man. There would not be women

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speaking, being actively involved in doing speeches. You are saying that

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on the post-it said that you were organising a women's section and

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that did not mean that you were organising a section where women

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could sit. It did not mean that we were organising a section for women

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only to sit away from men. Even though that is what happened. That

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is how the women chose to sit. Labour councillors who told me that

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was the start of political engagement. Even with more women

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councillors will their female residents get the representation

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they deserve? The Labour Party has no record

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of complaints on behalf of any

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of the women in that film. The party told us its: "selection

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procedures include strong positive action procedures such

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as All-Women Shortlists and rules to ensure women are selected

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in winnable council seats. We have the best record of any party

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in selecting women and BAME candidates, and we will continue

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to do all that we can to make sure candidates are representative

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of the communities It was 'a victory of historic

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importance' according to Julian Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond,

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by contrast, described a UN working group's decision today

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that the WikiLeaks founder is being arbitrarily detained

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at the Ecuadorian Embasasy, where he claimed asylum in 2012,

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as 'frankly ridiculous'. It's hard to see how

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they could both be right, but is it also possible

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that they might both be wrong? Setondji Adjovi is a member

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of the five=person panel which delivered the decision

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and joins us now from Philadelphia. There are two words here, we cannot

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pick what the word arbitrarily means until we are clear on what detained

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means. Julian Assange arrived at the Ecuadorian assembly of his own full

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issue and could walk out at any time, how is he being detained? --

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of his own full issue. In the few of the working group, as it has been

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explained in the opinion, there is a continuity between the time that he

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was arrested in 2010 and spent ten days in detention and the time he

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was on bail under house arrest. That continuity led to when he was in the

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embassy and if he left there he would continue in the deprivation of

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liberty. That is why we consider that his stay in the amnesty is

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detention time. So the deprivation of liberty represented by what you

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describe as house arrest is a fairly normal implementation of British

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bail conditions. I use suggesting that everybody on bail in Britain

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required to remain at a certain address and present themselves to a

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police station is under house arrest? -- are you suggesting that?

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In our view, in this case, yes. What is the difference between this case

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and every other case on bail? We were not discussing every other

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case, we were discussing the Assange case and we considered it was a

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detention period, if you are under house arrest it is a time of

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detention... How can you describe it as house arrest if it is bail

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conditions? What you describe as house arrest was bail conditions.

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Are you hearing me? Loud and clear. How is bail house arrest? That is

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what we had in the facts presented to us. And that is what we

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concluded. The reason why he would face arrest and a return to bail

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conditions if he left the embassy was that Swedish prosecutors want to

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talk to him about an allegation of rape but has been brought against

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him. How does that play into your judgment, the fact that he would be

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deprived of his liberty because the authorities want to talk to him

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about the very real allegation of rape? How does that play in your

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understanding, that they can only talk to him when the arrest him? In

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five years of an investigation, why have they not been able to come to a

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conclusion as to whether he should be tried or not? Because he will not

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go to Sweden and when they tried to extradite him he sought asylum at

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the Ecuadorian Embassy. Normally an action taken to avoid persecution,

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not prosecution. What you might not want to understand here is the lack

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of due diligence in the work of the prosecution. That is what the

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working group is criticising. So it is a question of punctuality rather

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than legal principle? They should have moved quicker? Yes, it's a

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matter of timing. The working group has made it very clear in the

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opinion we issue that five years of preliminary investigation, without

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coming to a final conclusion, where he adjudged the individual or not,

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to move to a trial is too long. How can they come to a final conclusion

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if they cannot interview the only suspect? If the only way of

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interviewing the only suspect is arresting him and taking him to your

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country. Can he not be interviewed anywhere else, in your view? He has

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offered to be interviewed here by Swedish authorities, yet when they

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acquiesced, you changed his mind. Were you not aware of that? -- he

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changed his mind. I'm not going to discuss those details because you

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and I are not part of this process. The fact we had before us showed

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that the Swedish prosecutor did not want to interview him in the

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embassy. And even the Swedish judge criticised the Swedish prosecutor

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for this. Thank you very much. It normally takes failed drugs tests

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and multiple medal strippings for a person who came third

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in a contest to end up being hailed This, though, seems to be

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the outwardly remarkable achievement of Florida senator Marco Rubio

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in his bid to become the Republican Beaten by both Ted Cruz

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and Donald Trump in their first electoral test - the Iowa caucus -

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the son of Cuban immigrants is the man many Republicans now

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believe offers their best chance of getting back

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into the White House. Emily is on the campaign trail

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in Florida, a battleground so big that - as you'll remember

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from the Gore/Bush battle in 2000 - it can ultimately

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decide the Presidency. Miami, wrote the novelist Tom Wolfe,

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is a melting pot in which none of the stone smiled, they rattle

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around. But doesn't do it justice, they move with style, but it is true

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that the groups that make at the city often remain true to their

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constituent parts. None also perhaps than Cuban community. -- none more

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so. He's leading a salsa class in the neighbourhood called Little

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Havana. I have Cuban parents and I was born in Miami, first generation

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immigrant. Budget his story is when you will hear all over the city and

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it is the story of the senator that many Republicans now see as their

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best chance of the presidency. I want to thank the people who voted

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for me. You started in local politics, his rise to power swift,

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he's still the youngest candidate in the race. He has now overtaken the

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man who once captained him, another son of Florida and presidential

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candidate, Jeb Bush, brother of the more famous George. My campaign will

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be about the future of America, not about attacking anyone else on the

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stage. But the person who shaped his career more than anyone, this first

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medal, is Rebecca, now a commissioner in Dade County. He came

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to my door one September, introduced himself and said, are you the Maher,

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I would like to run for Commissioner and they said I had to come and see

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you. When he began responding to me, the reasons why he wanted to run, I

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stopped everything I was doing. And I thought, let's go in, let's drink

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Coffey and let's talk. She remains close friends with his mother and

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says his family were his core inspiration and his drive.

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For a well Michael Rubio's father worked here on the beaches of Miami,

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selling my non-deckchairs but much of his working life was spent in big

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hotels where he worked as a bartender. Michael Rubio used to

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joke that his father stood at the back of those large ballroom is so

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that his son would eventually stand at the front. His father died some

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years ago yet much of his family still live in West Miami, where he

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grew up. His nephew works on his campaign. That sense of family

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present in his speeches and also their immigrant past even if it was

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not quite as it seemed. His family came here from Cuba in the 1950s but

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after that the details get hazy. He has long maintained they fled

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commoners and Vidal Castro in 1959 until it emerged that they had

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arrived here several years earlier before Castro was in power. In other

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words they fled poverty under capitalism, economic migrants, not

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political ones. That becomes a more complicated story. Mariella, who

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left Cuba when she was seven, has known Marco for much of his life and

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grew up in that same neighbourhood. I would see him in the grocery store

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buying diapers and I would say, I did not know politicians went to the

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store! Gibbons, she says are politically ambitious because they

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have seen what happens when thing goes wrong. Kim Jong-un Cubans. We

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came here with nothing. Nobody gave us anything. But we succeeded and it

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is incredible that so many Cubans in America are so successful. They need

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to succeed and do something for the country because we already lost one,

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we don't want to lose another. Lunch Mike Ray Anthony was taught by Marco

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Rubio at Florida University until last spring. How does it feel when

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your professor turns up and says is going to run for president. Seeing

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this is incredible, seeing somebody like us aspiring to the highest

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office in the land, it's only in America. Outside the salsa club on a

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sultry night they slapped Domino's and beckoned us over. They seem less

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convinced that he really is one of them. He wants to cut relations with

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Cuba, says this man. It almost seems he is against Cubans. His friend at

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the other end agrees, she's not some pathetic to us at all, he is not

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really Cuban. Of course Miami is more than Little Habana and Florida

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is much more than Miami, the state divides into two demographics, the

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Latina, female, voters, and the older conservative white vote in

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other areas. Yet the hope for Republicans is that Marco Rubio

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could unite the two. And it is impossible to overstate the

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importance of Florida in a presidential election. It is of

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course fiercely contested, 29 electoral college votes, the points

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system by which the Americans choose a president, it is the largest

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battle ground state. Many will remember the fight between George

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Bush and Al Gore and the hanging chads in 2000. Yet few will have

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realised that after several days George Bush won by it a hairs

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breadth. Hair's-breadth doesn't even cover it. Clearly a tough state to

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crack. Make no mistake, Marco Rubio will not be a panacea for many of

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the Democrats who find him hawkish on foreign affairs and deeply

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conservative on foreign issues. His pitch sounds identical to that of

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Ted Cruz yet he sells itself as one that the Democrats fear, the only

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one who could beat Clinton. Nine months to go, a presidential

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pregnancy had, and there are plenty of us still trying to figure out its

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rhythm, another son of Miami, rapper, puts it better than I could.

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To still be free from Pitiful, he may not be Mr Wright but he is Mr

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right now. Comedian Nina Conti looks

:32:28.:32:30.

at the power of masks which includes a look at how

:32:31.:32:34.

David Bowie used masks Also, we should say this programme

:32:35.:32:37.

does contain strong language.

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with James O'Brien. The programme looks at in-fighting between Brexit campaigners and also asks whether Julian Assange was arbitrarily detained. Plus, are Muslim men stopping Muslim women becoming Labour councillors? And a look at US politics.


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