17/05/2016 Newsnight


Orgreave and the police. Heseltine and Boris on Europe. Jung Chang on China. Magic mushrooms for depression. Plus our new nightly recipes slot (until it gets shut down).

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Tonight will the government give in to mounting pressure to hold


a public inquiry into Orgreave, after the damning verdict


on South Yorkshire police in the Hillsborough Inquiry?


I don't know if I had out what but when the wagons came


and I went to the front to shout I got a push in the and arrested. Put


on a bus, smacked about a bit but not as bad as some people.


I think the strain of the campaign is telling on him, his judgment is


going! The shadow chancellor


is here to share his great sadness Fifty years on from the Cultural


revolution - is China horrified I'll be


speaking to the author of Wild Swans, Jung Chang who lived


through it AND also wrote And the BBC announced that recipes


online were not for ever, then there was a bit of a flambe and now


the recipes will be on the BBC's commercial food website,


so to celebrate, welcome Tonight, linguini and mussels


with slow cooked tomato Today the Home Secretary Theresa May


told the Police Federation conference that the 1989


Hillsborough disaster must be the "touchstone" for everything


the police does. The Hillsborough report,


which found that 96 fans who died had been "unlawfully


killed", has given succour to the families of miners involved


in the so called Battle of Orgreave with the same


South Yorkshire police force They are demanding a public


inquiry into those events, which led to 120 police and pickets


injured and 93 arrests - calls that are being taken


increasingly seriously John Sweeney spent the day


at Rotherham in the shadow One police force, twice under


suspicion. After the shame of Hillsborough, now South Yorkshire


Police faces calls for an inquiry into what became known as the Battle


of Orgreave. Fort here, 32 years ago. The narrative, as told by the


South Yorkshire Police investigation, was the striking


miners were pretty much on that bridge where those fancy new homes


are being built. The police were down here and the miners were


throwing rocks at the police lines. The police had no choice but to


react. The police charged and so began the battle of Orgreave. Now


there is a stack of evidence that that narrative simply is not true.


June 18, 1984. Roughly 5000 striking miners tried to stop lorries


carrying Koke going to steel mills. But they were outnumbered by 6000


police officers. That day was about the most frightening day of my life


because of the atmosphere. How would you describe the atmosphere that


day? It was a different atmosphere on that day than any other picketing


day. This was the biggest clash of the most political strike in modern


times. The miners, led by their union president, Arthur Scargill,


confronted the forces of the state, in ultimate command, Margaret


Thatcher. She described the miners as the enemy within. One of those


arrested, Kevin Horne, a miner from Mexborough, South Yorkshire. There


was like a simple line of police, maybe a double line, along this


playing field. I don't know if I had been picked out or what but when the


wagons came and I went to the front to shout, I got a push in the back


and arrested. Put on a bus, slapped about a little bit, like, but not as


bad as some people, obviously. What we you accused of? I was accused of


obstruction. And as the day went on, by the time we got to the


Magistrates' by the time we got to the


assembly. Landmark when by the time we got to the


Orgreave pickets went to trial for riot the cases against


Orgreave pickets went to trial for collapsed. And why was that?


Collusion and fabrication of the words that come to mind. Colluding


in a sense that officers got together, a group of officers


decided that this was how the evidence would be drawn up. What


they did when they drew this evidence Abbas to pre-face it,


saying, we are out to win this. -- was to pre-face it. What were some


of the phrases? I was part of a police support unit which was at


Orgreave. We were told to report for duty. It was a bright summer's day


and the scene was set with lines of police and lines of pickets,


initially the mood was good but then it turned nasty and we were


subjected to a hail of missiles and so forth and so on. It was identical


for about 150 leads officers. -- police officers. There's a pattern


here. Collusion and by South Yorkshire Police happened in the


Hillsborough inquest. Some of the same officers involved in that


disgrace were also involved in the failed Orgreave prosecutions. We've


had a number of big issues in South Yorkshire. Child sexual


exploitation, scandals in Rotherham, the Hillsborough inquest is now, and


the verdicts have come in. The last of these three big issues is


Orgreave. And in each case, it is essential, if we are going to


rebuild trust and confidence in South Yorkshire Police, we need to


know the truth about each of those. And that I think, is why we need to


be Orgreave inquiry to happen quickly. What should happen is get


to the bottom of Orgreave and draw a line and it and let the police start


afresh. Because it is not fair for the bobby on the beat to be taking


all this flak from 30 years ago. 30 years ago, the people arrested here


ended up in the dock. Today, it is not the accused but their accusers


who are facing the questions. Ayr John Sweeney.


Joining me now is Vera Baird QC, who defended three of the accused


Orgreave miners and is now Police and Crime Commissioner


And Alex Marshall, former Chief Constable of Hampshire


and now Chief Executive of the College of Policing.


Good evening to you both. First of all, Vera Baird, why should there be


a public inquiry, it is very different from Hillsborough in the


sense that there were no deaths at Orgreave, there were deaths at


Hillsborough. Obviously there is no comparison in that sense but in fact


the Hillsborough deceptions, the changing of the 160 statements that


the panel found a pair, were defending the police to try to cover


their mistake. At Orgreave of course they were proactive, to discredit


the miners. That is the only possible conclusion. The officers


who were drilled by South Yorkshire Police to dictate the scene of riot


or altering what one individual might have done, throw a stone, a


petty offence, and turn it into the scene within which he was a


participant in a riot because others were behaving in a disorderly way.


That was dictated by a unit set up by the Chief Constable according to


South Yorkshire Police's own reference to the IPC C. So it was a


deliberate positive move whereas Hillsborough was merely defensive.


There was much less violence at Orgreave van has been pretended,


until, by pre-arrangement, the line split, the cavalry went out, the


short shield squad followed behind and then there was a good deal of


violence from the police and some reality show, there is no doubt of


it. Wax to Mac the collaboration about dictating scene of riot that


simply was not present at the time is where the resemblance is to


Hillsborough. Alex Marshall, on that question of pre-arrangement,


decisions made before the operation, you can look at that, whether it is


Orgreave or anywhere else and see that is not good policing. It is not


good policing if it has the outcome that plays out as you saw. And


alongside the miners and the people supporting them whose injuries are


clear on the footage there are also front-line police officers getting


injured in the same scenario. I am very pleased that the way events of


this type are planned by police now are substantially different, and


quite rightly they are about public safety and planning carefully in


advance, their contingency is not, as often characterised in Orgreave,


being on one side and not another, that is not the role of the blaze,


our role is to uphold the law. Yet that as we heard from former miners


at Orgreave, is how it is seen, that minor in the report said that they


needed to draw a line under it because it affects the bobby on the


beat, this sense is so destructive that until you have a public


inquiry, this will never end. I understand that, and the officers


working on the front line in South Yorkshire, as we speak officers will


be going out on night shift to protect their local communities,


those officers work with the support of the people they protect. And this


question of trust and confidence that still hangs around can of


course be very damaging. If the Home Secretary decides to hold such an


inquiry we would be very interested in the outcome of that inquiry in


terms of the education we provide in policing and the standards that we


set. The thing is, Vera Baird, do you see now that there is a new


climate among policing, a new openness? Things have changed very


much the South Yorkshire, Orgreave, or don't people see it like that? I


think Alex is right. There is a great change. Three things have


helped, the advent of police and crime commissioners not police, they


are in the middle of what the police do and they can scrutinise it


scrutinise it and it would be difficult for a conspiracy to arise.


Also the officers are different, I think. Most now have experience as


neighbourhood bullies. A Labour Party invention, terribly popular,


people work with local communities as officers, are based there and


become as loyal to the public in their community as they are to the


police. There is no longer that ethic of police self interest that


governs them and things are not of hierarchical and quasi military as


in the days of Orgreave. I agree with that, yet remember as Alex


said, policing depends on public consent and confidence. For many


years after Orgreave had occurred, when their word jury trials in


County Durham, where my clients came from, but when there were trials,


the jury would do its duty yet when ever there was the word of one


officer against one defendant they would never conflict. They lost


faith in the police because they either had in their family, or they


knew someone who had been at Orgreave or been treated similarly


somewhere else. Let me put that question of trust to Alex Marshall.


The figures are not great. In 2014, when more than 3000 allegations of


police corruption were when more than 3000 allegations of


action was taken in more than half the cases, indeed there is also


evidence to show that officers believe that if they talk about


corruption believe that if they talk about


identities will not be protected. So believe that if they talk about


there's a long way to go still on trust, is there not? There is but I


would say three things help trust, is there not? There is but I


in that sphere, we have a trust, is there not? There is but I


ethics and policing to support those trust, is there not? There is but I


professionals to make trust, is there not? There is but I


and busy wrongdoing. Most of the role of the professional


placing is to support the good hard working people in policing. We also


keep a register of those dismissed from policing. The vast majority of


keep a register of those dismissed that is what the code of


keep a register of those dismissed officers don't


keep a register of those dismissed whistle-blowing guidelines to allow


people that production, should they report wrongdoing within policing.


The EU referendum campaign has been tetchy from the start,


increasingly bad tempered and now the in-fighting - at least


in the Tory party - seems to be reaching a crescendo.


Shadow Chancellor John McDonald got into the debate today, arguing that


the campaign has been negative and accusing the Tories of peddling the


politics of despair. Today Lord Heseltine


weighed into Boris Johnson, describing his comparison


of the ideals of the EU, to Hitler's plan for a European


superstate as "preposterous I think the strain of the campaign


is beginning to tell on him. And before that, we had the


near-racist allegations This is the most serious


decision Britain has faced in a generation


and it is descending into Our political editor


Nick Watt is with me. What do you make of the Heseltine


intervention? The Tory infighting has really reached a new low with


that personal attack on Boris Johnson by Michael Heseltine. Why


did Downing Street think it would be a good idea to put Michael Heseltine


up? Two broad reasons. One Boris Johnson is an easy target, a member


of the political cabinet but not the full cabinet. The second, they


believed that the spats he is getting into our process,


personality, and if you talk about process and personality in a


referendum, like Alex Salmond did, you lose. You need to talk about


substance. It is important to say that the league campaign believe


that the prime ministers reached a new level of absurdity today when he


said that the leader of Isis would be very happy if Britain left of the


European Union. So who is the one they are really worried about? They


are most concerned about Michael Gove. They believe that he has not


been particularly straightforward with them. They believe that he has


been particularly aggressive in his attacks on some areas of government


policy and that is ironic because tomorrow we will see a Queen's


Speech in which the Prime Minister sets out his vision for the post


referendum period, to be the great Tory social reformer. And which


minister will be at the heart of that with a reform programme?


Michael Gove. One area we will have to wait for is the human bill of


rights, which is not quite ready. It will be signposted tomorrow but we


will not see it. On the face of it this gives Labour, in the form of


the Shadow chancellor, and more. It does indeed and we had a full


throated endorsement of a senior Labour figure, which is unheard of,


even in the days were Gordon Brown used to duff up the European Union.


Why is John McDonnell so pro European? Two reasons, once it could


be Labour voters who decide the referendum. If it is Tory


infighting, they might be switched off. Secondly, in the aftermath,


they do not want Labour in the north-west of England to suffer the


fate of the Labour party in Scotland.


Joining me now is the shadow chancellor John McDonnell.


You spoke about never sharing a platform with the Tories on this


campaign. Even if it would mean squeezing that last drop of Remain a


voter, you would not share a platform? We have seen what has


happened within the Tory Party. It is like a pub brawl. I think they


are demeaning the debate. I think they have lost control of this


debate. The people on the doorstep are saying time and time again, we


just want the facts, we want your vision for Europe. And they want a


considered debate. That is why I do not want to have anything to do with


this debate. We will talk about divisions in a moment but I would


like to say one more time, and imagine it is incredibly close and


you have to make a last push. Are you so concerned about keeping away


from the Tories, for history, not least Scotland, so concerned about


keeping away from them that they would not share a platform and say,


we will put our differences aside because we believe so strongly in


the European Union? You would not even do that? It would not work, it


would turn people off. Any association with what is going on


with the Tory Party is turning people off. The people we need to


get out the vote are voters and young people. But don't you think,


the very thing you are saying is that people want to see vision. And


even if you have different within Europe, what you are actually saying


is that even if people want me to stand on that club run -- platform,


I will not do it because of my own politics. Not at all. You are not


listening. It would be counter-productive. I want to win


the debate and I want us to remain within Europe. Any association with


the Tory brawl would undermine that ability to win the debate. Moving on


to talk about labour in the north-east. A lot of the problems


you have in the north-east, a lot of Labour supporters have become very


Eurosceptic over the issue of jobs. And yet today, for perhaps the very


first time, we have heard a member of the Labour leadership giving a


full throated endorsement to the free movement of people. Shall I


tell you why? Because the free movement of people is a condition of


being part of the EU and part of that single market that we so


desperately need. In the north-east, it is interesting you mentioned the


north-east because that is where many car manufacturers in particular


have been developed. The reason it has been developed there is because


of the debasing of the UK market overall. Protecting jobs is key. If


you understand Labour members' fears of immigration is... Of course I do.


We did a programme from Boston and we were told by people they are,


Labour supporters, that this is a disaster for them and their children


and we will not get jobs. Of course I understand their concerns but we


have to have a rational debate and that is why I am worried about


Project fear from both sides of the Conservative party. It is not


allowing rational debate on things like immigration because the issue


around immigration is one we have to address. But the issues around jobs


and housing and public services is because of a government failure, a


Tory government failure. But with respect, you cannot issue the


immigration issue within the EU because you have signed up for free


movement. It is not about immigration. It is about arguing the


case that signing up to the free movement of people allows people to


go to Europe and have jobs. It does mean people coming here at a time


when we need them in our economy to grow the economy, which will then


enable us to have jobs for everybody. You called the European


Union a superstate based on capitalism. You have consistently


voted against further integration and you were one of the biggest


banes of Tony Blair's life as an EU rebel. Can you put your hand on your


heart and say that you truly back the EU? Let me be clear of what I


have been saying consistently. I believe we should be within Europe


but I do not believe the European institutions, as it stands,


functions effectively. It needs to be more open and democratic so I am


campaigning to remain within Europe, within the EU, but to reform the EU.


I want to put a quote to you. It is easier for people to imagine


the end of the earth than the end of capitalism. That is what we are


about. That sounds like the John McDonnell that we know. That is a


quote from a guy called Jamieson. Which I quoted in an article in the


New Yorker. I want to transform our system. I do not believe that


capitalism serves the system. I do not believe that


of capitalism? I want to transform the system, which means adapting


capitalism. We need to change the European system


capitalism. We need to change the and democratic


capitalism. We need to change the stranglehold. So you want to


capitalism. We need to change the in the same club


capitalism. We need to change the Goldman Sachs? And I want to


challenge their Goldman Sachs? And I want to


European Union at the moment, an economic policy, it means you are


shouting down the letterbox. You will not be in their negotiating,


you will not be working will not be in their negotiating,


other social Democratic parties and progressive movements to transform


Europe. To work for the end of capitalism? To transform capitalism,


working for our economic system. Let's talk about anti-Semitism.


First, Baroness Janet Royle was looking into anti-Semitism at Oxford


and she said that Labour members who are guilty of anti-Semitism should


not be out of the party for life. What is your view? I took a strong


view on this. I What is your view? I took a strong


serious enough, I do not want these people to be members of our party.


So we have a difference of view. I think any form of racism now,


wherever it is, particularly within our party, we have to be extremely


wherever it is, particularly within in the future. She has written this


that will report so presumably


that will to our national executive committee


and it will influence policy in the future. Let's


and it will influence policy in the Livingstone. Can he ever be a member


of the party again? I do not want to process that he will need to go


through. But you are saying process that he will need to go


cannot be a member of the party. process that he will need to go


Everybody has to have a fair process. I cannot influence that


process in advance, whether it is Ken Livingstone or any other member.


I cannot do that. I have made my view absolutely clear on what I feel


about anti-Semitism and if someone is being anti-Semitic within our


party, I have made my view clear. It is for due process within our party


and the real authorities to judge. As you say yourself, these


committees will be As you say yourself, these


entirely. So if they are entirely independent, then you can say what


you want right now and it will have no impact on the committee. Whatever


I say now we'll have some influence and I do not want to prejudge


Fifty years ago, when Mao Zedong unleashed millions of China's


youth to attack parents, teachers institutions,


temples, the Party itself, they set out to destroy the very


The Red Guard persecuted 36 million people and killed more


than a million as Mao pursued his cult of personality.


In a moment I'll be speaking to the author of one


of the best-selling books of all time, Wild Swans,


whose family lived through the Cultural Revolution, but first -


The great proletarian Cultural Revolution.


Its stated aim, to wipe out the four olds.


Old customs, old culture, old habits, and old ideas.


To that end, Mao unleashed his Red Guards, bands of zealous students


sent out to beat their elders into submission.


But the real aim was not culture but politics.


The Cultural Revolution was a purge of Mao's enemies at the top


It resulted in years of violence and terror.


Today, China is a very different place.


Maoism has been replaced by capitalism, known


euphemistically as socialism with Chinese characteristics.


And yet, the Communist Party that provided over the cultural


Just as in Mao's day, there are still power struggles


Purges now happen in the courtroom, not as lynches


But they are purges nonetheless.


Some old habits have survived.


Just as in Mao's day, official policy is enunciated


Yesterday, on the 50th anniversary of the start of the


Cultural Revolution, it was silent on the matter.


But today an editorial in the People's Daily calls


the Cultural Revolution huge disaster, one which


The lessons of history, it says, have given China asserting


"Nobody", it concludes, "fears turmoil and desires


Jung Chang is the author of Wild Swans and also


First of all, in Wild Swans you write about three generations living


through the cultural Revolution. Can you explain how bad it was? Well, I


was 14 when the cultural Revolution started in 1966. Schools were


closed. There was no schooling, and children were encouraged to attack


their teachers. I saw my teacher being tortured, subjected to


gigantic denunciation meetings, being beaten up. I saw fellow pupils


trying to commit suicide. It was a nightmare. But for your own family,


what happened? Well, my parents were victims of the Cultural Revolution.


My father was one of the few who spoke out against the violence. As a


result, he was arrested, tortured, driven insane. And he was exiled to


a camp and died maturely and tragically. My mother was under


pressure to denounce my father but she refused. So she was subject to


over 100 of these ghastly enunciation meetings. Basically, the


victims were stood on the platform, facing a hysterical crowd. My


mother's arms, like other victims, were twisted to the back, and she


was kicked and beaten. Did you witness this? Yes, we all saw this.


People of my generation have all seen this. And have been brutalised.


And you still feel that, you still feel that part of you has been


scarred by it? I feel that yes, I feel strongly. In a way, I am very


lucky as I was able to read a book about it. I wrote Wild Swans and I


turned the trauma into memory, so I can talk to you about it. But I


wonder, the people of your age now, the people that are 14, 15 now,


unless they have read Wild Swans, where will they get any information


about it? What do young Chinese people know about the Cultural


Revolution? Basically, not much. Because my books are banned in


China. Like other books of a kind. There are people who are saying


these mindless things in favour of the Cultural Revolution. Things that


do not get banned. A lot of people do not really know what happened.


The really curious ones can search the internet, trying to climb over


the firewall, but many others just don't know. And I wonder what you


think about the future in China, whether you would think China would


ever move to a 1-party state, or do you think that this idea of economic


advancement and a 1-party state will continue because people are just too


frightened of change? I am afraid it is going to continue for a long


time, and basically I think that most people, if you ask them, they


would say that democracy is a good idea. But most people would also


fear what might happen in transition, whether they might be


getting something worse than they got today. But that is almost not


the issue. I think the issue is that there should be an open discussion


about the Cultural Revolution, because the Communist Party itself


has categorically rejected it. Finally. After chairman now died. --


Chairman Mao died. I think that is the real issue. From my point of


view, I would like to see my books published in China. Thank you very


much. The psychedelic sixties


as celebrated by writers such as Tom Wolfe in


The Electric Cool Aid Acid Test, featuring Ken Kesey,


and the poetry of Allen Ginsberg are all a half a century ago


now, but psychedelia Researchers at Imperial College


have, for the first time today, published the results of a trial


into psilocybin and its effects The substance is the 'magic'


element in magic mushrooms Doctors believe it could have


medicinal qualities. The only slight problem is,


it's a banned substance. In an ordinary hospital


room, something very out Step by step, it's being transformed


into a psychedelic lounge. Over the last 12 months,


patients with severe drug resistant depression have been brought


into this room and given a strong and illegal hallucinogenic,


psilocybin, the active ingredient In charge of this radical new drug


trial is scientist Robin So the room has been transformed


from a bog-standard hospital room We're trying to provide


a setting that is supportive, warm, nurturing, where the patient


can feel safe and supported, and free and able to


open up, really. This is one of a number of recent


trials reviving some of the most controversial psychiatric research


of the 1950s and 1960s. After receiving a small dose of LSD,


they're confused and undisciplined. Around 40,000 patients


worldwide were treated with psychedelics for everything


from alcoholism to schizophrenia. That all stopped when governments


around the world began Half a century later,


and doctors are tentatively picking up this research,


with around a dozen trials now worldwide beginning to explore


medical uses of psychedelics. Andrew Thayer was one of 20


patients on the trial. He's struggled with depression


for two decades. It's hard to describe


the hopelessness that you feel I got to a place last November


where I had pretty much given up, I thought, I just can't


do this any more. He found out about the trial


online and applied. That is how, three months ago,


he found himself in a hospital room in West London, being given


a Class A psychedelic drug. Roz Watts is a clinical psychologist


who helps guide patients I was surprised at the level of his


suffering because when we met him he was so charming and sensitive


to other people's needs and so great at conversation


that it was difficult to see the suffering at first, but we did


see it in the dosing days. We realised how much he had


been struggling against. It started off fairly pleasantly,


but it soon got pretty dark. I described it as a


black tide coming in. Often with psychedelics,


emotions and difficult experiences that have been repressed


because they are so uncomfortable And that can be very healthy


and very positive in terms of change because avoidance of difficult


emotion is really at the heart Roz said, just concentrate on this


rose, and she picked up the rose This rose had taken on a life


of its own, and was definitely trying to communicate that


everything is fine, beautiful. It's worth saying that patients had


a variety of different experiences It was unclear at the time


what long-term effect Today, scientists published


their results in the Lancet. So these are the results


from the study so far, This is a measure of the severity


of patients' depression. You can see one week


post-treatment, you can see that virtually every


patient shows some decrease But the results do look much more


mixed when you go past one week. When you go past three months,


there are patients that are kind That's right, and so we are seeing


signs of relapse in That's quite common in depression,


particularly treatment It tells us really that this


isn't a magic cure. Even so, if we were to take average


scores, even up to three months and six months post-treatment,


the really is quite a highly significant decrease


in depressive tendencies. The researchers believe that


psilocybin increases the It's speculated that in depression


the brain gets stuck into repetitive negative


patterns of thinking. So if we can introduce


a kind of flexibility into the mind and into the brain,


then perhaps that can help us shift an individual out of that rut


that they have become stuck in. The problem is at this stage


and this is only a theory. On the study itself is not


without its difficulties. There is an ethical issue here,


isn't there, of taking people who are very severely depressed,


taking them off antidepressants, giving them a Class A drug and then


not giving them the therapy If they decide to come


off their medication, We closely monitor them,


and we stay in contact with their mental health


practitioner or GP. I think people should consider


that if ever they think, I want to go out and find some magic


mushrooms, and I have to come In the context of this


trial, the way we did Three months after Andy's trial,


and he is still coming to terms I think what I am experiencing


are after-shocks. Because even now, I will have good


days and bad days but some of the good days are outnumbering


the bad days and I am And I wouldn't have


thought that was possible. On the whole, I think it has


moved me into a different direction. It has kicked me out


of the rut, as it were. Andy believes that psilocybin has


benefited him but the trial, by clinical standards,


is tiny and researchers admit that much more evidence is needed before


they can be sure of the effects Another larger trial


is planned, but this kind It's unlikely then, that your local


GP will be able to prescribe There was a lot of apron wringing


about the BBC's announcement today that 11,000 recipes would be excised


from the website and new ones Such was the brouhaha


that the BBC changed the plan. Now they're saying that most


of the recipes will now appear To celebrate, we've come up


with our own contribution... I am now cooking very quickly some


linguine with spicy tomato sauce and mussels. I would just like to tell


you that I have been cooking these tomatoes with red and Ian, chilli


and garlic for the duration of the programme. They are almost ready. To


finish them off I will add some tinned tomatoes to give moisture and


on the right-hand side I cooking up fresh linguini. I'm going to make


sure these are well mixed in. Then with the mussels I have cooked them


in white wine and spring onion and I have shelled all of them except for


some which I will use for garnish. Now I am going to pop this straight


into here. The important thing is to whiz it up. I appear not to have


anyone from Masterchef to help me. I will put it here and I will with


this up. Just to make sure it does not splutter any of the crew. I will


just keep this going, to get all that, I quite like a bit of texture


in it. That great word, texture! That is just about done. So now what


I am going to do is strain my linguini. Brilliant. I'm going to


put my linguini in here. And once that is fully... I'm just going to


mix this straight into my tomato sauce. I'm going to mix it up and


I'm going to add my mussels, like so. This is quite quick, easy dish


to do. And then, first so. This is quite quick, easy dish


little into the plate and so. This is quite quick, easy dish


Jung Chang if she would like to have some. This looks messy and would not


pass the test. I'm going to put a little on here and garnish it with a


couple of mussels and I am going to give Jung Chang a little linguini


with mussels. Spicy! Not beautifully served. Wonderful, wonderful, this


is my dinner! If you like the recipe right in with a stamped addressed


envelope for my tomato spiced linguini with mussels and a little


parsley for garnish. OK? Good evening, Wednesday will be very


changeable, threatening clouds never far away, the chance of catching


changeable, threatening clouds never across England,


With Kirsty Wark. Orgreave and the police. Heseltine and Boris on Europe. Jung Chang on China. Magic mushrooms for depression. Plus our new nightly recipes slot (until it gets shut down).

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