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The referendum Catch 22 - campaign hard to appeal to some
voters and you lose your appeal to others.
And it's causing tensions in the Leave campaign.
Vote leave decided they were going to concentrate on immigration on a
very negative basis and frighten people away on the issue of
Legal highs may still get you high, but from midnight
Will the new blanket ban on psychoactive substances work?
Also with us, the new chairman of Heathrow.
He'll explain why his airport should get an extra runway.
And Lord Sugar, far from sweet when it comes to Donald Trump.
If I was an American, I would be very, very worried.
Fortunately I'm an Englishman and I love my country,
It's not been the best week for the Leave campaign.
The bookies have cut the chance of a Leave win to 20%
It's seemed hard for Leave to break the endless trail of establishment
authorities warning us to stay in the EU to avoid armageddon.
Well, as the going gets tough, the internal arguments get going,
and you might have heard here last night that there is to be a change
of tack in the Leave campaign, with more emphasis to be
placed on the immigration issue than hitherto.
But not everybody is happy with that idea.
The issue will be in sharp focus tomorrow when the latest quarterly
Our political editor, Nick Watt is with me.
There has been some internal discussion on this. How do the
insiders feel the Leave Campaign is going? It is the weekly meeting
tomorrow and there may be the odd pained face. You are talking about
the unease we picked up last night about the focus on immigration and
those tensions bubbled to the service again today when the
Institute for Fiscal Studies raised questions about the impact of Brexit
on the UK economy and vote leave started saying we should not take
this organisation seriously, they are bankrolled by the EU. There was
a lot of unease in the campaign about that message. Office for
National Statistics figures out tomorrow should be a big day for the
Leave Campaign, but I have been speaking to a British-born Pakistani
MP who signed up for vote leave last year and he wanted to make a
positive case for immigration and he explained to me why he decided to
The point came when I decided I shouldn't be a part of this in any
way at all positively was when the commission
was considering which would be the lead campaign.
Everybody literally on the Leave Campaign were trying
The Leave Campaign decided they were going to concentrate on immigration
on a very negative basis and try to frighten people away
That is why most of the BME community in the community
is actually now pushing very much towards Europe.
And do you believe the tactics by the leave
I think the Leave Campaign have failed to put
They have not put forward any credible academic studies
on the issue of how the economic situation would be better off
and that has really hindered them, rather than just concentrating
on race they should have concentrated on the economic
message, how positive it would have been to move forward.
I think a lot of people will have been excited by that.
Can I just ask you what do you think black and minority ethnic
voters thought of that vote leave poster, advert, which showed
millions of Turkish citizens walking through a UK passport interview?
Totally horrified and appalled by it.
This is again what makes people really frightened about their own
status in this country and that was really negative,
that was absolutely dismal in terms of a national
These people are isolating them and making them feel like that queue
of the Turkish and making them feel like they are not part of the UK.
Boris Johnson has been criticised for casual racism
after he highlighted what he described as the part Kenyan
I think Boris's exploration of Barack Obama's heritage
and pointing out where he came from is totally
racist and Boris has a lot to apologise for in relation
What would vote leave say in response to that? They have issued a
statement of the back of that and in that statement they have said to
ask, we have always said that we want a fair immigration system, one
which allows us to prioritise the brightest and best from around the
world, not just people who happen to be born in other EU countries. We
will continue to make the positive case for voting to leave the EU.
They might like to point out that the MP left their campaign a few
months ago and he was not exactly a major strategist and he was not
really somebody who attended their board meetings. Where does the
campaign go from here? What is happening tomorrow? There is a clear
message from the lead campaign tonight which is we can still win
this. There was a poll that showed they were tied on 41% and another
poll that showed the lead campaign were ahead on 44%. Tomorrow critics
will be saying that they should be making a speech about how they can
get deals outside the EU. But if you are talking about emigrating you are
potentially harming your brand in the way that the Conservatives did
ten years ago when David Davis was Shadow Home Secretary and not happy
Nick Watt there and a little later we'll hear from Katie Razall
In 80 minutes' time legal highs become illegal.
The Psychoactive Substances Act takes effect.
The Act helpfully explains what it is designed to combat.
A psychoactive substance means any substance which is
capable of producing a psychoactive effect, it says.
But it goes on to explain a psychoactive, but in
But it goes on to explain a psychoactive effect, but in
This in fact, giving the Act it's power.
No longer will ingenious chemists be able to circumvent the law
with new concoctions, as they're already banned.
But it is such a broad definition, specific legal exemptions have had
to be set out for less harmful psychoactive substances
Secunder Kermani reports on what is a big legal change.
We're doing Simon's service tomorrow.
Melanie is preparing to bury her second brother.
He died after becoming addicted to legal highs.
Three years ago, he drowned after falling into a river whilst
Then three weeks ago she found Simon's body next to a packet of
legal highs. After he died MELANIE JONES: A post on Facebook, shared
hundreds of times. Her brothers had been heroin addicts for years, but
Melanie says when they moved on to legal highs their impact was even
more devastating. We could not make sense of the things they were
saying, lots of paranoia, divisional thoughts, psychotic episodes. After
William's death three years ago, Simon became more dependent on legal
highs. As a family we were emotionally torn between trying to
grieve for William and to try to support Simon, so it was a difficult
time for all of us. In the days before his death Simon came to stay
with Melanie and was playing for a while and even wrote on his Facebook
about the upcoming ban on legal highs. But then he got an e-mail
from a company who were selling them. He mentioned an offer that
they were doing and it was three for two, or free delivery of a certain
amount, and he said it feels like a sign. The next day Melanie found her
brother's body. Beside him was a packet of legal highs. I did not say
that at the time, but when the police came they saw this and it was
cherry bomb, a brand of legal high, and that was what this was beside
him. One I saw him I knew he was gone. The legal ban is coming into
force the day after Simon's funeral. We will always have drugs and
addiction problems. These drugs will be legal highs, the same drugs sold
in a different manner. The ban coming into effect is a positive
step so kids are not getting in tights, walking down the high
Street, going next door for a count of energy being and into the shot
next door for a legal high. These are some of the product that from
midnight the night will be illegal to sell either online or in
so-called head shots. The Government is bringing the new law into force
because in the past when it tried to outlaw the particular substance the
manufacturers would tinker with it, creating for illegal purposes an
entirely new one. However, not everyone is convinced this new law
will solve the problem. At this drop-in centre in Birmingham they
have seen the numbers addicted to legal highs rise rapidly. This is
what is collected in this area over the last three years. Many are
addicted to synthetic cannabinoids, but their effects are more like
heroin or crack rather than cannabis. Maybe you take one or two
and people will be keeling over. To ban these things is a good thing,
but that is not the full story. Because the demand will not go away?
The demand will not go away, the reason why people use will not go
away. I smoke it to stop having stomach pains. Kevin had been taking
them for years. They see the effects both on the streets and in jail.
What do they do to your mental health? It has changed a lot of
people. It has destroyed a lot of people. It has made a lot of people
more violent. I got stopped about three weeks ago with a screwdriver.
They are torn about what the effects of the ban will be. We know we will
still be able to get it next week and the week after. We know and
everybody else does, but people still take it. Are you in favour of
it being banned? For what it is doing to people, yes. Britain is
said to have one of the highest rates of legal high usage in the
world, but legal highs are not all the same. Laughing gas in festivals
and nightclubs is one of the substances that will be outlawed. It
can be dangerous, but far less than synthetic cannabinoids. Specific
exemptions in the new law have been written in for alcohol and caffeine.
Here we have... Steven Reid is a user of legal substitutes for drugs
like LSD that are about to be banned. There are whole range of
substances that are currently legal and different substances have vastly
different risk profiles. Things like LSD are extremely safe, but
synthetic cannabinoids seemed to be much more risky and it seems to me
that we need to evaluate each class of substances according to its own
risks and benefits and avoid trying to take this blanket approach. Lots
of the head shots selling legal highs of all descriptions have been
closed down in recent months under pressure from local councils and
trading standards. In Ireland where they passed a similar law six years
ago they had been completely wiped out, but there have only been a
handful of prosecutions. For Melanie and her family the law is already
too late, but having seen both her brothers die and use heroin and
legal highs, she knows which is the most dangerous. If they were still
here today and they were addicted to heroin, it might still have caused
their deaths. But as far as being of healthy mind and still having a
relationship with their family, then, yes, heroin would have been a
much better choice. To discuss the ban on legal highs
here in the studio with me is the Vice journalist and author
of Narcomania, Max Daly, and from Belfast we have
Adele Wallace whose son tragically died last year in April
from taking legal highs. Adele, can you tell us how these
drugs affected Adam? Legal high drugs totally destroyed my son, he
was only 17, and still a child when he was using them. They made him
suicidal, affected him in detrimental ways. He lost everything
that was of value to him, everything precious. To watch your child change
like that, and the aggressive violent side kicked in as well, it
was soul destroying to see this happening before your eyes, and to
actually have to bury your child at 17 for something that was so easily
accessed, so cheap and yet so deadly, it beggars beyond belief.
And as I understand it, he was aware that this was destroying him towards
the end, correct? Yes, but it got to the point where the drugs were so
addictive, the legal highs themselves are so addictive, but
inside there was this little boy that wanted to stop, and he did seek
help on the 9th of April, and very sadly, he had put a status on
Facebook prior to that stating very clearly, my life is hell, it is
miserable, I want to get off these drugs, please don't come near me and
offer me drugs, don't offer me any of them, it isn't that I don't want
to be your friend, but I need to get myself off these. And on the night,
he did seek help and spoke to a clinical psychologist from Cahms,
the child and adult mental health services, but then he took a legal
high on the 13th, it was not a vast amount, one and a half grams, and
they usually only band three grams and upwards, it was shared tween
three, himself and two others, so it wasn't a vast amount between the
three, smoked, but it was enough to kill him. It is heartbreaking. Max,
does everybody agree on the objective that it reducing the
consumption of these things is a good thing? Yes, because a lot of
legal highs now, we are talking synthetic cannabinoids, they are
pretty nasty things. You have reservations about whether banning
is going to actually work or reduce harm, correct? Yes, I understand why
the Government made this new law. There is no way they could have
schoolchildren going into these shops next Mothercare or whatever
and getting extremely potent drugs, it is a ridiculous situation. But,
and it will probably stop some kids from getting hold of these drugs,
the fact that the shops will shut down, I spoke to the owner of a head
shot today, he is shutting down, like most of them will do, and the
other ones will get into vague thing, cigarette gaping. -- vaping.
But what will happen is the more vulnerable users, such as synthetic
weed, they will be on the buy them on the street, because the trade
will immediately swapped from shops to the street, and there was a study
done in Blackburn last year, and a headshot, the city's main one was
shut down by The Authority is, and literally the local crack and heroin
dealer bought up all the stock and started selling it on the streets,
and to attract customers, you started giving away free pies. So
you would say it is worse that way than buying it from a shop? Sales
will continue to the more vulnerable people. Adele, what you think of
that? Do you think Adam, if he hadn't had legal highs, would have,
like so many people, bought a legal highs, and whether just changing the
status from legal to a legal is something that isn't going to be
very material, or is it material? To be honest, Adam was able to access
them from shops and also from drug dealers, so in my opinion, it didn't
make any difference, he was accessing them both, they were both
available, but I personally think the legislation is needed, and
obviously with any legislation there is always room for things to go
underground, because where there is money to be made by ill gotten
gains, people will abuse it. They need more resources to help people
with addiction, because I know for a fact in Northern Ireland there is
not enough resources to help with the amount of addiction, and
especially with legal highs. There is a big volume in demand, and the
services are just not there, because it is rife over here, and it is
prevalent in all communities, causing havoc in every way, and the
worst bit is it is causing massive fatalities. Adele and Max, thank you
very much indeed. Britain may have been arguing
about Europe for decades, but there's one other issue we've
been discussing almost as long. Where to build extra
airport capacity? Do you remember the Roskill
Commission in the '60s that recommended a new airport in
Cublington? Well, that didn't happen
and we are still waiting Heathrow of course, wants
the right to expand. A national hub that has
for decades been at the heart Is this patch of West London,
conveniently close to the centre of the capital, the best place
for a mega world-class airport? With planes having to queue
for much of the time, Heathrow struggles to cope
with overcrowding, and more airlines Nowhere in the world handles as much
traffic on two runways, and last year, a national airports
commission recommended that When we asked for proposals,
we got more than 50, We have concluded that
the north-west runway But the Government has paused
for thought and stalled for time, and says it can't
make up its mind yet. Heathrow is thus
on a charm offensive. Here's the new chairman
of the airport in Liverpool. Turn up the temperature a little bit
and rehearse the arguments again so people understand it's
not just about London. And Heathrow is getting
some support there. The expansion of Heathrow
isn't about Heathrow, it isn't about the south-east,
it's about the whole UK economy. And for us here in Liverpool,
it is about connecting Liverpool to the rest of the world,
and Heathrow can provide Protests over noise,
problems over air pollution, the obstacles to a bigger
Heathrow are formidable. Oh, and they include
the new mayor, Sadiq Khan. I'm quite clear, unlike Boris
Johnson. I don't want to close
down Heathrow Airport. I want it to flourish and thrive,
to be better not bigger. They've made promises in the past
they've failed to deliver. I want the new runway
at Gatwick Airport. The new Heathrow chairman does
at least have the right background He was in charge of the team
organising the London Olympics, and went on to become
Treasury Minister responsible Lord Deighton, the new
chairman of Heathrow. He started as a Goldman Sachs
banker, was chief executive of the London Organising Committee
of the Olympic Games and then became Commercial Secretary
to the Treasury, taking charge of the UK's national infrastructure
plan until last year. Are we going to get a decision soon?
For me, this is about the future of the British economy, and what kind
of economy we want in the 21st-century, what our level of
ambition is. Do we want that airport can -- that can connect us to the
rest of the world? And do you think that they will deliver on the
promise they made before the election last year, when they were
postponing making a decision? We are expecting a decision soon, but they
are very distracted at the moment. Let's look at some of the obstacles.
Night flight, you have said your night flight, six and a half hours
overnight, you will take flight site. You have not promised to do it
in quite the way the airport commission had suggested you would
do it. Is that a problem for you to do it the weather commission said?
We have time to reflect on what commission said, which is leaving a
six on hour window. We have pushed it back the other way to distribute
the benefits so that people who are suffering from planes taking off at
night get just as much respite as the people dealing with early
arrivals in the morning. Out the commission OK with that? 5:30am is
quite an early time for a plane to be making it's way out over London?
It is a lot better than 4:30am. Have the airport commission said that is
OK? What we're going to do is give them the evidence to prove it. But
they set that as a condition and you haven't currently agreed to that
condition strictly. What we have done is said we will bring that in
as soon as we get planning permission, not when we get the
extra runway, so that is a real benefit. Air quality is the thing
that the Government has said is its problem. We have had the vaults
wagon scandal, there has been much more concern about London air
quality than anyone was thinking about two years ago. Ash max the
vaults we at Heathrow will be the leader in
terms of sustainable airports. But that is not the planes, you're
talking about the vans driving around. On air quality specifically,
that is a car and road issue, it is specifically a diesel issue, it is
not a plane issue, so it is whether we drag more cars into the airport,
and in terms of the other surface access to the airport, rail,
bringing in electric cars, we are confident we won't be in breach of
air quality rules. This is a London wide traffic problem, it is not an
air problem. Nightmare for you but, Boris Johnson
becomes Prime Minister, implacably opposed to the third runway at
Heathrow, Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London, also opposed to a third
runway. If that happens, it's gone? There is no third runway? This is
really about the vision you have that the UK economy. You want a
first-rate economy with an airport that actually is competitive? Every
time we defer the decision, the chief executive at ship all sends us
a cake and says thank you, because they are the ones that benefit --
Schipol. Not literally? Literally, because they are acting as our third
runway. But you won't get a third runway at Boris Johnson becomes
Prime Minister. The only question is if he becomes premise in six weeks
or four years. In four years you might have started to build the
runway. I worked closely with Boris on the tree airport, and he thought
that was the vision for the future, but we can explain to him that
Heathrow is the only realistic vision to give us the 21st-century
economy we need. Good luck trying to persuade him! We have met all the
airport commission's conditions on the environment, and that should
make the decision a lot easier. There is a rule if you are in
government that you can't lobby, you can't use the former contact
associates you had in government for two years, so you are now sitting in
a job which is basically a lobbying job trying to persuade Government to
take a third runway, and you are not able to lobby. I am not able to
lobby directly, but there is an enormous amount of other work to do
at Heathrow. The arguments are effectively made for the third
runway, the case has been put out there, it is for the Government now
to make a decision. I have been very focused on making sure that we can
do everything internally to make it possible to make that decision, so
we are ready to go. We have the money ready, the team ready, we have
satisfied the conditions the airport commission laid down, so everything
is ready to go, that is my job. It is then to the Government to make
its decision. Has Britain a problem with infrastructure? The indecision,
the time it takes, look at HS2, Hinkley point, goodness knows if
that will ever happen. Is there something in, what you put that down
to? I think you can draw different lessons from different projects.
Some of course we delivered spectacularly well, we're proud of
the Olympics. Crossrail is going well at the moment, and that project
will effectively expand London, and I would like to do the same
obviously with another runway at Heathrow. The issue is how do you
weigh up the long-term economic benefits which everybody enjoys
against some of the localised costs which of you suffer, and our
political process does spend a long time looking at those short-term
costs. Thank you very much. From one Lord to another.
Lord Sugar, Alan Sugar, of Apprentice fame, has been
appointed as the Government's Enterprise Tsar by
This is his second stint at that role because he did it
for Gordon Brown some years back, but Gordon Brown lost an election,
and Lord Sugar left the Labour Party last year.
As he has been public about his support for remaining
in the EU, one wonders if the timing of his appointment might have been
designed to garner some publicity for his views.
Well, I went to meet him in Westminster earlier today,
to talk business, politics, almost everything in fact.
We began by talking about his new appointment.
I wish to instil entrepreneurial spirit and explain
the apprenticeship opportunities not just to the young people
But you are basically going to be touring the country,
It's very similar to what I've done in the past, obviously.
I think the important thing is for apprentices to take a job
where they are going to learn while they earn, and the Government
has laid on the kind of facilities for them to do this, and employers,
it is important for employers to understand and put
You were of course a member of the Labour Party
until about a year ago, and you left because I think
you felt they had fallen out of love with business far too much.
Yes, that's quite right, and I left at a time before
Jeremy Corbyn was appointed, so it looked like I had some
You are definitely not going to rejoin now, then?
Are you going to join the Conservatives?
You are famous, most famous now in this country among
young people for filling the role of the Apprentice.
Your American counterpart is Donald Trump.
You've likened him to Hitler, I don't have that...
Whoa, you are starting to sound like Piers Morgan.
You don't want to be classed as, you don't want to be categorised
I called him the Pied Piper, actually.
You said there were comparisons to be made, comparisons
How worried are you about Donald Trump?
If I was an American, I would be very, very worried.
Mr Trump considers himself as a great businessman.
I have been in business for 50 years, coming up 50 years now.
I haven't put any companies that I am involved in into insolvency
You may need to look up your facts and just to see what his history is,
and you may need to look up your facts and to see
whether the buildings and the businesses that
bear his name actually have anything at all to do with him.
I understand you are on the side, and I think a lot of businesses
I just wonder if I can ask what you think about the campaign.
A lot of people are saying that the fear factor
of what is meant to happen to us if we come out has been overdone.
I am very concerned about this now, it is getting close
I am very, very concerned, because ordinary people,
what I call ordinary people that I speak to every day
They're not stupid, and they know that they are being frightened
by the Brexit people and frightened by the staying people,
and they really want to understand the reasons why we should either be
staying in or the reasons that they are saying we should go.
Now, my personal view is that this is crazy,
it is absolutely ludicrous we cannot even think about exiting.
These people that are advocating exit, with all due respect to them,
some of them are politicians, there is an ex-mayor,
who has gone off the rails at the moment now.
I had a lot of respect for him until a couple of weeks
ago with the outlandish things he has been saying.
There's 500 million people that we have to sell to,
and we need to ship our goods out, they are our biggest,
You've said some pretty scathing things about George Osborne
"If I were David Cameron, I would think about sacking him."
That was Osborne a few years ago - 2012, you said that.
I am not here for you to bring up a whole host of things that I might
No, but it is fun because you are now working with these guys,
and you said all this stuff about them.
I am taking on a position to promote entrepreneurial spirit
You get this in your head, first of all.
Let me throw the question back to you.
Not looking for a knighthood, I have been Sir Alan.
I am not looking for a peerage, I am a lord.
There is nothing in this for me other than my passion to want
to instill enterprise into people, and whether it is David Cameron
or George Osborne or Jeremy Corbyn or whatever, they should be thankful
that they have got someone like me doing it.
And you are not going to be toeing any party line or told what to say
We heard Nick earlier reporting on arguments on the Leave side
about whether the campaign is in danger of alienating minority
Does a commonwealth heritage make you more inclined to stay
Katie Razzall has the latest of her Referendum Road films now.
She went to the West Midlands to find out.
It's one of Britain's favourite dishes.
Now curry has got mixed up in the EU referendum debate.
Restauranteurs complain that tightened immigration rules stop
them bringing in skilled chefs and other staff from South Asia.
The Leave campaign is promising a vote for Brexit would change that.
They say without open borders to Europe, Britain could re-forge
I was invited to sample the best Bangladesh could offer up by way
of Sutton Coldfield, but do these curry house owners buy
The only reason is the staff shortage.
Do you blame the Government for that?
Definitely the EU, and the second is Government.
Have controlled migration, but it is not all open borders.
We don't know where we stand at the moment.
And if we, obviously with the Commonwealth,
we will get more immigration, migration from there as well.
So you have picked up that message from the Leave campaign?
People coming from Europe, they are no good for us at all.
People who have no experience, people who even could not stand
the smell of aromatic spices, how can you justify to recruit them,
The Prime Minister appeared on the Birmingham-based Sikh Channel
recently arguing the case for Remain.
British and minority ethnic voters could decide this referendum.
According to the British election study, unlike white voters,
who appear evenly split on the issue, two thirds of the BAME
It is going to be largely a Remain vote for many,
Certainly from our programming, we have been out in the Sikh
community and we're getting an overwhelming sense that people
want to stay as a part of the EU, because this issue really
is about segregation and separation, and the Sikh community strongly
believe in one world and one society.
As well as live news and daily prayers, the Sikh Channel is running
a nightly referendum programme up to the vote.
I know Vote Leave has raised the idea that if we stop
being a member of the EU, we will be able to close our
borders, which means we will be able to not take EU migrants necessarily,
and choose to bring people in from the Commonwealth instead.
I don't think it resonates with the Sikh community,
because it seems to be a bit of a shallow argument.
We will replace one type of migration with another type
That doesn't seem to ring true, and if there is any Asian
communities who are supporting that sort of stance, there may
be some self-interest in that they want to see people
from their home countries be preferred.
Long before EU citizens set up home in the UK, immigrants from Britain's
colonies were moving here, filling jobs created
When Britain last held a referendum on Europe, many argued
we were turning our backs on the Commonwealth and those
The Commonwealth diaspora helped make the West Midlands the UK's
most ethnically diverse region outside London,
and it's a key battle ground for the ethnic
I would like to buy this suit for my son, please.
Mrs Chipta and her husband moved to Birmingham from
He worked in a factory, she started her own venture.
Was it you who set up the shop?
Her son now runs the place, and is a keen Outer.
Most of the products that we sell now are manufactured outside
of Europe, so if we were to be able to have trade agreements
with countries like China, with India, with Commonwealth
countries, we would be able to be much more competitive on these goods
We are paying into a club which we personally don't
What I would like is a fair immigration system.
Do you feel there is an irony in the fact that somebody like you,
whose parents came over, you were immigrants originally,
and now you are complaining about new immigrants?
If we had a system which was fair, which went all around the world,
so we get the best people from around the world,
so we are able to get computer programmers from India,
we are able to get nurses, doctors from any of the Commonwealth
countries where they speak our language, they have the same law
system and everything as us, it is much easier.
So immigration isn't the problem, it is the levels of immigration.
Across town at Birmingham's Mack gallery, an exhibition
by Barbara Walker of the contribution made by black
servicemen and women to Britain's Armed Forces.
A visual reminder of our Commonwealth heritage.
But amongst the people we gathered here, all of Caribbean descent,
few saw those links as a decider in the referendum.
Our unity is strength, and if the UK leaves Europe,
So I think it will have a devastating effect on businesses.
I know a lot of people are quite emotional about this,
losing our jobs to people from abroad, but...
When we have historically been the great nation that Britain
managed to carve itself out to be, a big part of that was our link
There was our link to other parts of the world that actually
helped us to gain our strength economically and politically.
I think we are in a different world now.
We don't know what is going to happen if we separate,
and whilst some are arguing that to separate could be better,
that could is a really, really big could.
I'm hopeful that some of the discussions and some
of the things that we will want to change are really about taking
away some of the support mechanisms for people right
If it wasn't for Europe, we wouldn't have the protections
for maternity leave, the 48-hour rule, and if you remove
all the protections, then I fear that those sorts
Older voters are more likely to be for Brexit,
but that is not how Raka Omar sees it.
My grandfather for example came over here in the '60s from Jamaica, so it
took around six weeks to get here, and he really fought for a better
life, and coming here, really working after World War II,
the country was completely dismantled, and helping with others
to put that back together, working in the NHS,
building our country back again to really build a stronger
European Union as well as obviously the UK, to leave that EU
In the more recent past, Britain did things slightly differently,
and therefore we've got a lot more Caribbeans,
a lot more Indians in the UK compared to the other European
countries, and being out of the EU could potentially allow us to build
Will ethnic minority voters decide this referendum?
Operation Black Vote said today one third of Britain's 4 million
or so BAME voters are not actually registered.
Today the organisation released this controversial poster in an attempt
The minority voters' apparent support of Remain
could prove decisive, but only if they turn out to vote.
That is all we have time for this evening.
Kirsty will be presenting tomorrow, and will be talking