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07/06/2016

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We're not going to be bullied by anybody, least of all

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the unelected, charming though he may be, Jean-Claude Juncker.

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The British thing to do is to fight inside the European Union.

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With 15 days to go, 2 politicians made their case in 60

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minutes of argument, so was there a winner?

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It was certainly a chance for Nigel Farage to lead

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Do you think your company has outgrown your ability to manage it?

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Probably, a long time ago. Also tonight: Is this another,

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unacceptable face of capitalism? And why did it take a newspaper,

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rather than the authorities to spot I stand with Hillary

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because I'm a woman. But why are so many women not

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supporting the democrat No one has had a busier

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day than Nigel Farage. The man who is not at the helm

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of the Leave campaign, This afternoon, he was defending

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himself against attack This evening, he was in front

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of an audience in one of the set-piece TV

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events of the campaign. There was no knockout blow. But it

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presented a much better way to see Nigel Farage perform than we have

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seen so far. The official Leave

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campaign think Mr Farage is unhelpful to their cause,

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driving voters away, But the truth is, the Leave campaign

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has only started breaking through, since it took a leaf or two out

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Mr Farage's campaign book. Our political editor,

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Nick Watt, has been looking We will get your take on Nigel

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Farage's base in the debate, but a quick summary of how you thought the

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IDV extravaganza when? -- ITV extravaganza when. David Cameron

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came under pressure regarding the edge rated claims regarding the

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effects on the economy, and also the area he does not want to talk about,

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immigration, Nigel Farage came under pressure for those comments he made

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linking cologne attacks with members of the European Union, and also a

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testy in cancer with a black British motor about Ukip's view of those

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voters -- testing encounter with a black British voter. The Prime

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Minister will be happy, because Nigel Farage has been put centre

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stage and the Leave campaign believes he is toxic, but Nigel

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Farage is happy because he is back where he believes he should be, on

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terrestrial television. Few other things quickly. Midnight tonight,

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registration for voting in the referendum closes. If you have not

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done it by then you will not have a vote, and so what will we know about

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the electorate? We will get a statement tomorrow on the numbers of

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people who have registered to vote and the indications are that more

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people are registering to vote than registered for the general election,

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and it appears that the 18-24 year old age group and people who live

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abroad are registering in higher numbers than they did last year and

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those are the kind of people who might vote for Remain and that might

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be good news for them. If it is a low turnout, below 55%, that is good

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for Brexit but if it is 65%, it is good for Remain, but if you go back

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about 75% it is good news for Brexit. There is good news for

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Leave, as well? Lord Hayward, he is one of the people who got closest to

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the general election prediction last year. He is not a pollster? He

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analyses them, former Conservative MP, he is a Remain supporter but he

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is going to call the referendum for Leave and he will say barring some

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unforeseen accident, he thinks that Leave are on course to win and he

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says he notices demographics who he thinks should be Remain, they are in

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fact Leave, and that is motorway man. We will bring you a bit of that

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debate and a bit more Nigel Farage later.

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With me now is the former shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper

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who supports Britain remaining in the EU and the Conservative

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MP Kwasi Kwarteng who wants Britain to leave.

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Do you agree on the debate, it was a score draw? The significant thing

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that you did not refer to is the fact that Nigel Farage did admit

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that there would be tariffs, which he shrugged off the impact, on jobs,

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I thought that was a serious point, especially the dismissal of the

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pharmaceutical industry is something, we can watch them leave

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the country, that would not matter. They are bad guys because they have

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been hitting alternative medicine, that was a strange moment. The Leave

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campaign are being cavalier with people's jobs and livelihoods. It

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might not be Nigel Farage who is hit by this. I will answer your

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question. Rather than rerunning the debate. The question is fair, the

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Prime Minister made interesting points and Nigel Farage also held

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his own, it was a score draw as you suggested. I'm not going to rerun

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the debate. We can talk about that later. And now a taste of the debate

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right now. So, yes, the reform

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goes on, but of course Here is what really

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happens if we leave. Of course we would still want

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to sell into that single market, so we would still have to meet

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all the rules and regulations that Brussels lays down,

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but we won't be at the table. We will be like a country

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with our ear and face pressed up against the glass,

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trying to find out what is happening with the other 27 countries, making

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rules that affect our country. I would say that is no way

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for the fifth biggest economy We need to be in this organisation,

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fighting the British The use of the word quitting came up

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quite a lot. We can carry on the discussion for now. Kwasi, Nigel

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Farage has basically been excluded by the official campaign, they think

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he is to Marmite. He is campaigning in his own way and he makes

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outlandish statements which get attention, but I think the campaign

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can be run on its merits and the Leave campaign is getting its

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message through and the race is tightening. Do you think that Leave

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should give him more prominence question not he's a consummate

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performer. -- prominence? I'm not going to praise the skies, I will

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give him seven out of ten, I thought he made the case about immigration.

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I'm the son of an immigrant, it is not about being against immigration,

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but it is about control and I thought he did that effectively.

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Would you like to see the Leave campaign like to put more weight on

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Nigel Farage? The Leave campaign have been shifting to a Nigel Farage

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style approach, the cavalier approach to the facts, for example.

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The claim about the ?350 million on the bus which is a load of rubbish.

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That is not Nigel Farage's claim. That is his style. Also, Turkey

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about to join Europe, we know that Cyprus would veto it, Cyprus. It was

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official government policy, the policy of your government, as well.

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You think that Turkey is about to join the EU? Our million Turks going

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to join any moment? -- are a million Turks. We don't need an argument. Do

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you think that the Remain side are running out of ideas question mark

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David Cameron repeats the lines about the economy and the single

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market. Maybe you need another six phrases, things which sound a bit

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more positive and reasons to stay. There is a bigger argument about our

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place in the world and the influence that we have in the world. If we cut

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ourselves off, the reason we as a small island have such impact in the

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world is because we are a member, not just the European Union about

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other organisations. If we pull out, we cut ourselves off and that makes

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us weaker for the future. There are those ardent scum and the other

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items we have been there are those arguments and the

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other is the Labour Party has been trying to put forward, the likes of

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workers' rights which are so important. The most radical Labour

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government was 1945, they reshaped the welfare state, and that nothing

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to do with the EU. It is regarded, become at the government, as one of

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the shining lights -- the Clement Attlee government. That is

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absolutely true. The British government has always done a whole

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series of things... We will carry on doing so. We can carry on doing all

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kinds of things without the EU. What about the parting shot of David

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Cameron? Great Britain... Do not fall for Nigel Farage's little

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England vision. I don't share that vision and I can't speak for Nigel

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Farage. I'm not a little England, my parents have come from Ghana, part

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of the British Commonwealth and I feel very connected to other parts

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of the world and I spent a year in America. We are very international

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in our outlook and I feel it is Great Britain against little England

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is false, that is not what the debate is about. It is that national

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sovereignty and controlling immigration, and having some control

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of our own destiny. Can I have a comment from each of you about where

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the state of play is at the moment? This news that Rob Hayward, Lord

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Hayward, he's one expert, he seems to be: yet for Leave. -- calling it

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for Leave. It is a good thing that more young people are registering to

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vote, the clock is still ticking, still time for people to register.

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It will be about young people's future, that is what will decide it.

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It will be very close. The polls are tightening, and I want as many

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people to vote as possible. The idea we want a restricted turnout is

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false, I want as many people do indoors whatever decision the

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British people make as possible. -- to endorse. Laax. We

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Away from the referendum, the most absorbing political

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spectacle today was the appearance in front of the Business Select

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Committee of Mike Ashley, the founder of Sports Direct.

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The MPs wanted to ask him about his unusually brutal

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treatment of staff - if you're a minute late,

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you lose 15 minutes of pay was one example of his munificence.

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He had originally declined to meet the committee,

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Our new Business Editor, Helen Thomas was watching

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The tough guy of British retail arriving for a showdown

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His public image, that of a truculent wealthy boss,

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obsessed with profits over the welfare of his workforce.

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Instead, Westminster was surprised by a dose of Mike Ashley candour.

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Do you accept that the company was effectively paying workers

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On that specific point, for that specific bit of time, yes.

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This, an admission that the time staff had spent in security checks

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at Sports Direct's massive Derbyshire warehouse

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If you were a minute late, you got docked 15 minutes pay.

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You asked me what I think, I think that is unacceptable.

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If one of my kids went to work somewhere and they were two minutes

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late and they got fined 15 minutes pay I would not be very

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He even issued an open invitation to prying MPs.

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Could we turn up unannounced at a date we don't tell you about?

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But all I want is fairness and balance.

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You will be let in and everything else.

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I'm telling you, you will find things wrong, but then let's do it

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MPs don't want this kind of planned press tour.

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They are interested in an unvarnished look.

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The horror stories of fearful employees working through sickness,

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of one woman giving birth in the toilet and of

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a business overly reliant on zero hours contracts.

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That is workers with limited rights and no guarantee of work.

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But Sports Direct has not just been taking flak from trade

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Investors have also bulked at Mr Ashley's grip on the company

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Today, for the first time, a hint that there could be change.

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In the boardroom as well as on the shop floor.

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You are someone who has created an extraordinary company.

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You have created a lot of wealth and a lot of it has gone to you.

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You have created a lot of wealth and done something remarkable,

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but do you think your company has outgrown your ability to manage it?

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Some of the things you have said today would actually lead me

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to believe that it has definitely outgrown me.

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Mike Ashley did not want to come to London.

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Trade unions, politicians and investors, they have all tried

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to get him to change the way he does business, none have succeeded,

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but today he admitted that as the company has grown,

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Sports Direct has failed its low paid staff.

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The irony is that it took the kind of media and political circus that

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Mike Ashley appears to so despise to hold the company to account.

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Today, Mike Ashley, tomorrow BHS bosses will face MPs.

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Some of the more colourful parts of British business are being

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dragged, like it or not, into the spotlight.

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A lot of people look at Mike Ashley, or at recent events at BHS,

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or low-tax paying multinationals and wonder whether there

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is some kind of problem with capitalism, or capitalists.

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But you might also ask, where are the authorities in this?

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Are we soft on anti social businesses?

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The man to tell us is Sir David Norgrove, chairman

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That has the job of assessing the minimum wage, not enforcing it.

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He was also chairman of the Pensions Regulator,

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which governs workplace pensions, a big issue in the BHS case.

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Good evening to you. It's interesting that this happened.

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Should the authorities be worried that people think it is better to

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hit them by going to read newspaper, rather than reporting them? A lot of

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people are. H MRC pinfalls it. More people should go to them and

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complain if they think they are not getting the amount of money they

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think they should be getting. -- HMRC is responsible for it. What

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proportion of that is detected, this below minimum wage payment? It is

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difficult, possibly rough estimates are possible. Give me a rough

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estimate, it must be a few hundred cases. It is in the thousands, the

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complaints that get followed up. The estimate is roughly about .5% of

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employees. Are? Page below. -- paid below. Do you think the penalties

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are big enough? The penalties have quadrupled over the past few years,

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they are real or higher... You can be fined up to ?20,000 per employee.

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For example, one employer we know of was fined ?500,000, when a few years

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ago they would have only had to pay a fuse house in pounds. There has

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been a big increase. -- a few thousand pounds. Thanks to naming

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and shaming this has had an effect. Mike Ashley has reached an agreement

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with HMRC. We don't know what the agreement is. At some stage it will

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be published. Why won't it be public straightaway? You would have to ask

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HMRC. I don't know. Don't you find it odd, it should be open justice,

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do we sit and negotiate with these people who have done something quite

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bad? In many cases they are published. Penalties are published.

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The company has to account to local newspapers, or local television when

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it has done something wrong. Is it good enough that he pays the money

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he should have paid to his staff, and maybe pay some extra, and

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doesn't, for example, do a few nights in jail, or have to come you

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know, do community service for a couple of weeks... We would like to

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see more prosecutions than there are. Criminal prosecutions, we are

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talking about four, five. Yes, very small numbers. We want to see more.

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I don't want to sound wimpish. Prosecutions are very expensive and

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time-consuming. I think this is what makes the public so angry. The idea

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that they will go after a false benefit claimants. Would they treat

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an employer in the same way as a benefit cheat? Somebody who makes a

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false claim... I don't know enough about the net and -- about benefit

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claimants. Standing back from the minimum wage commission, do you

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think we are a soft touch? The pensions regulation is just catching

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up with what has been going on at BHS, a lot of money has been taken

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out of the company, the pension is now in deficit, and it is now on a

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state sponsored insurance system... I do think life is changing a bit.

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As the world becomes more international it becomes more

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legalistic, bit more like America, where people play up to the limit of

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the rolls. There is a case for us being tougher. We have seen that the

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city with financial regulation. -- of the rules. Interesting

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reflection. You mentioned in the US, you would see people being

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handcuffed and walked out of the office, white-collar criminals,

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utterly humiliated. Not named and shamed, not find money, but

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absolutely being trashed on television, probably live. I'm not

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sure they would lock up people who failed to pay the minimum wage. In

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America they have a different system. It is very legislation and

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litigation based. And not a lot up to that point. They have a nuclear

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deterrent, and nothing which is conventional before that. We have

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graduated approach. Maybe we could use the extreme options more than we

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do. But there are some advantages in being to have discretion and make

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people stick to principles. I don't want to put words in your mouth. But

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you think we could not it on to being a bit tougher, don't you? I

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do. -- nudge it. Lets get the latest on today's

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political news... The man on the left called the referendum, but it

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was the man on the right to cause to the referendum to be held after

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placing the idea of a UK exit from the EU firmly into the political

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mainstream. Will the real David Cameron please stand up. Despite his

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role in triggering the referendum, Nigel Barrett has found his role

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downgraded after a rival Brexit group, Vote Leave, won the

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resignation. He believes they only appeal to a narrow section of the

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electorate. They became embroiled with aggressive account is. You are

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anti immigration. You are scaremongering. In your campaign you

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have gone against people who do not look white. Discrimination. I want

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to know what you're going to do about it, that is what I want to

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know. If we have an Australian style points system rather than an open

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door, actually, there is big support for this amongst the ethnic

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minorities in this country, who know that our current open door policy is

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damaging all of our communities. Here is our chance, maybe our only

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chance as a nation, to get a grip on this issue. The Prime Minister also

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came under pressure on one of his weak spots, immigration. I have no

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GP. I cannot get onto the housing ladder and I have three children in

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one room. The place where I grew up used to a lovely area but is now a

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no-go zone. How is this system working for somebody like me? There

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are good ways of controlling immigration and bad ways of

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controlling immigration. A good way is just what I explained, people can

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come here, work, contribute, but they have to pay in before they get

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anything out... Difficult encounters for both, but they left reasonably

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happy. The Prime Minister avoided debating fellow Tories, and Nigel

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Farage returned to centre stage. He regards that as his rightful place

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because he said it is his ideas that are driving the Leave campaign. Vote

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Leave members say you are toxic. That's why they don't want me in the

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campaign. They have no comprehension about how to fight a proper

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campaign. Just because they followed my lead, on understanding open

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borders, the effects of mass immigration on normal people, now

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they followed my lead it will probably lead to a win. Remain as

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having a bumpy ride and they agree. They say their opponents in the

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official campaign are being controlled whether they like it or

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not by a hidden hand. One senior Remains strategist has likened the

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influence of the Ukip leader to the dark but largely unseen figure of

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Keyzer Soze. Some people are saying that you are the invisible dark

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force and was running it. To be compared to Peter Mandelson is a

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large compliment. Although Leave have pinched a lot of his ideas,

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they are keeping them at the distance from him come because they

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believe he repels voters. The official Vote Leave campaign hope

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that he will go the way of Keyzer Soze. But the Ukip leader and the

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Remain campaign hope to upend the film and ensure he keeps his role in

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the referendum movie. It's been such a tumultuous

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year in US politics, you might have overlooked

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the momentous point the fact that for the first time,

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one of the two main parties appears to have more or less

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now settled on a woman Hillary Clinton has

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certainly made history. Now her fight is to be back in the

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White House, not as first Lady, but as first female president. We are on

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the brink of an historic unprecedented moment. But we still

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have work to do, don't we? One of the striking features of the

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Democratic presidential race is that Hillary has not found she

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automatically gets backing from women voters. And particularly the

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younger ones have been charmed by Bernie Sanders. Is this now the

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moment to shed any political misgivings about Hillary and to

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rejoice? We can now discuss this. Jill, you

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are a supporter of Clinton, do you have any reservations, or is this

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the time for women to celebrate her elevation to this point? I do think

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it is a moment to celebrate. It is almost eerie that it was exactly to

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the date, you know, in 2008 when she made her famous concession speech

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when she talked about having made 18 million cracks in the hardest glass

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ceiling of all. Now today, these years later, she, as you pointed

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out, it will be the first woman nominee of a major US party. That is

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history making. But I think you are absolutely right, that for someone

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who is more my generation, that is far more meaningful than a lot of

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younger women. Can I just ask you, are you supporting her because you

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like her politics, and she happens to be a woman, and you are glad for

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that, or are you basically excited and supporting her because she is a

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woman, this is a feminist thing, this is a gender thing? It is not

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the latter, no, it isn't a gender thing. I think she is very well

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qualified to be president. And most of the time she has good judgment.

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She has the experience to do the job. What we are not mentioning is

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compared to whom? I think Donald Trump is getting the attention of

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the younger women right now. He has stolen the show, he is the big story

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of the year. It's true, he led the news today. Let me put all of this

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to Tennessee. You are not so thrilled by Hillary Clinton, why is

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that? It is about a lot of things. My generation have been activated.

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My friends, people who felt like their voices were completely unheard

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by politicians, have registered to vote and showing up because there is

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somebody talking about all of the things that are really important to

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us. People struggling in this country, people who are being killed

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because of the colour of their skin, put in prison, you know, there is a

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lot of really serious things going on. Tennessee, just let me ask you

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this, when you hear someone in say you should be supporting Hillary

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Clinton as a sort of sisterhood thing, does that make you more

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inclined to, how does that play, that argument? Obviously, there need

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to be more women in politics. There needs to be more diversity in

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politics. But, you know, the politics should come first, not the

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gender. I don't want Hillary Clinton to be the first female president of

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the US. You are going to vote for Hillary, rather than Donald Trump, I

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am guessing, correct, so you will rally around? Of course. Just for

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women's reproductive rights issues alone, we have to vote for as many

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Democrats as we can. It is a crazy time right now in this country.

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In terms of the relationship of women with American politics, one of

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the criticisms of Hillary Clinton, she talks about feminism and women's

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rights, but she has a conservative stance in the Democrat spectrum, she

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is not the best person for women, is that fair? I don't think that is

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fair. Regarding many issues, like foreign policy, she is more of a

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hawk than the progressive wing of the Democratic party, so she is out

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of step and her vote on the Iraq war is one of the things that is really

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disturbing to younger progressive voters. On women's issues her record

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is almost flawless. She has been fighting for reproductive rights for

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her whole life, practically. She has worked very hard for better

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childcare laws and she wants to raise the minimum wage which would

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be very meaningful to women service workers. Does that hold much weight

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with you, Tennessee? Do you think of her as not being grateful women? --

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great for women? She is a woman and that is good for women, but to use

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that to get people to vote for her is inappropriate given all of the

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other issues. And we have this other candidate Bernie Sanders who is also

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a feminist, being a feminist is not just about being a woman, it is

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about where they stand on all these issues. Hillary Clinton has a lot of

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critics and clearly if they criticise her ankles you can dismiss

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that as misogyny or people who have a difficulty imagining someone in

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his role as president who is a woman. She has many more critics

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than you might expect. I wonder if you think her critics are basically

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misogynists or are they people that raise valid points? The horse was of

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her voice, sometimes she has been shouting, people born that outcome

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is that sexist or just part of the cut and thrust of ordinary one ticks

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question mark -- people point that out, is that sexist or just hard of

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the cut and thrust of ordinary politics? I don't actually think

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that is the most... Those are the most important criticisms of her,

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there are legitimate criticisms of her. She's very slow to apologise

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for making mistakes. When she left the State Department it was a

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mistake to sign up with a very well-known speakers bureau and

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charge millions of dollars for her speeches. It is a mistake for her to

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not reveal the text of those speeches. The criticisms of the

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Clinton foundation, some of those, I was an investigative reporter for

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decades covering money and politics, and some of those concerns concern

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me to, but on balance she has a very strong record and I don't think

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she's a dishonest and trustworthy or as Donald Trump would say, that she

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is crooked. I think she has shown poor judgment. Thanks for joining

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us. With less than an hour to go, until voters cannot register for the

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referendum any more, we understand the voter registration website has

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crashed. A busy night for their computer? We heard that people were

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registering to vote in their hundreds of thousands in recent days

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and we have been talking to Martin Lewis who runs the money-saving

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expert website and he says careful language, the site is crashing in

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parts. He says you can get onto the first page, but when you try to

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input your information you can't get there and that element appears to be

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crashing for some users. If you look at the Cabinet Office website at the

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moment, it says as we speak 29,782 people are actually trying to input

:35:52.:35:58.

their data. How'd you know that? This is live service usage. Our

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colleague spotted that at 1015 tonight 50,000 people were trying at

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the same time and I think we will hear from Martin Lewis, he says that

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is a lot of people. Martin joins us over the internet from money-saving

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website. Have you had complaints about this? Yes. Someone tweeted to

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say the website was not working very well and they could not get through

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and I'd waited out, is anyone else having problems -- I tweeted out. I

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looked at the voter registration page, it maxes out at 50,000 people,

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that is not a lot of traffic in terms of just viewing a website, but

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this is like a transactional website, you have got to put data in

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and out that number of consecutive uses at one time being processed,

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that is a huge demand on the service and I'm not surprised has crashed.

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You don't set up a website for such enormous numbers. The normal traffic

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is trivial. This is huge. The real question is, in my suspicion, I

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study web traffic, it is like a 200 camel, you get peeks at lunchtime

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and in the evening. -- two hunt camel. At 1115 it drops onto 1130,

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and I think from 1130 people will find it much easier. If you have the

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time, keep trying. There is a democratic question, what about the

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people trying between ten and 11, who have got to go to bed because

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they have got to get up early, and of course they should have done it

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earlier, but they haven't. And we say the voter registration is open

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until midnight, but it hasn't been for them. You were to jest they keep

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it open for another half an hour? -- you would suggest. They can't take

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it into tomorrow. But what about the early hours of the morning? They

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could, but I don't see... I don't know the logistics, but I think to

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be fair, you want to communicate that this has gone down and keep it

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open for at least a morning. When we have deals on the website where

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something like this happens can we try to arrange for an extra day or

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an extra few hours, because that seems fair. If you drive a half an

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hour, they had gone away, and they might have gone to bed right now,

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and if they can't register for this, the most important decision in their

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lifetimes, then I think they need to be given the opportunity to do so.

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You have spoken to the Cabinet Office? We are waiting to hear back

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from them, they sing to have a good idea that things are not perhaps

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going brilliantly -- they seem. There is a law that it has to be why

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midnight? The timetable is set in law and I think it would be very

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difficult for them to have any discretion over this. Nick, thanks

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for joining us. That is it for tonight. You have 50 minutes to

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register in the referendum, but don't bother!

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But we leave you with the observation that senior members

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of the Conservative party on both sides of the Brexit debate seem

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to have all been afflicted with the same strange disorder.

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Whenever they appear in public, they mysteriously strike a pose

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in tribute to a certain 1950's film star.

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It's almost like they're doing it on purpose.

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# Take me away # John Wayne

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# He stands so high #

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