16/06/2016 Newsnight


16/06/2016

Reporting on the aftermath of the death of MP Jo Cox. With Evan Davis in the studio and Kirsty Wark in Birstall.


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Just before one o'clock today, Jo Cox, MP for Batley and Spen breath,

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was attacked near Birstall. I am now sadly informing issue has died from

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her injuries. The murder of a sitting MP

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in her constituency near Leeds, the first in this country

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for over two decades. Jo Cox had not been in parliament

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for long, but was a good example of a how accessible

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and down to earth MPs can be. across from the library

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where Jo Cox was murdered and a little over a mile

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from where she was born. We'll have reaction from the local

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area and I'll talking to the MP Angela Smith - one of Jo Cox's

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close friends and colleagues, And we'll ask if it's time to give

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MPs more security and more respect, Also tonight, we look at child

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marriage in Bangladesh, where one in two girls are married

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before reaching adulthood. It's not a day for arguing,

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campaigning, and definitely not a day for

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insulting political opponents. Politicians put differences aside

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today in light of the fatal attack The first murder of a sitting MP

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since the death of Ian Gow It left Westminster -

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and much of the country - in shock. Yes, politics can be brutal,

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but we pride ourselves on keeping it largely free

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of personal violence. And indeed, we pride ourselves

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on our ability to prevent the violent or mentally

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ill obtaining guns. Jo Cox was a popular MP,

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one who had worked for Oxfam before A perfect example to remind us that

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whatever bile is thrown at the political class,

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many are down to earth, Far from cutting themselves off

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from the population at large, indeed, that is an issue that

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will perhaps be examined now. Before we go to Yorkshire,

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here's Nick Watt on Jo Cox herself. And whilst we celebrate our

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diversity, the thing that surprises me time and again as I travel around

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the constituency is that we are far more united and have far more in

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common than that which divides us. British politics was brought to a

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sudden standstill today when one of the shining lights of the next

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generation was extinguished. Jo was full of love, love for her family,

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love for her constituency, love for her job, she loved being an MP, and

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love for the issues she campaigned so tirelessly on and for that love

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to be destroyed in a mindless attack, a premeditated attack,

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motivated it appears by hate, is absolutely sick. In a brief

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statement this afternoon, police confirmed that Jo Cox, who had only

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been the Labour MP for Batley and Spen for just over a year, had

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become the first MP to be murdered since the IRA blew up Ian Gow in a

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car bomb attack in 1990. Just before 1pm today, Jo Cox, MP for Batley and

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Spen, was attacked in market Street, Birstall. I am now very sad to

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report that she has died from her injuries. The Lord is my shepherd, I

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shall not once... Not since the death of the late Labour leader John

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Smith in 1994 has there been such a genuine outpouring of grief amongst

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MPs across the spectrum at the loss of one of their own. The whole of

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the Labour family are devastated tonight. Jo Cox has been killed

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doing her duty, doing her work, as a constituency MP. She is somebody who

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dedicated her life to human rights and to justice and she leaves behind

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two young children, two young children who will never grow up to

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see them again. They can be proud of what she was, they can be proud of

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what she did and they can be very proud of everything that she stood

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for. She was a bright star, no doubt about it. A star for her

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constituents, a star in Parliament and right across the House.

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Campaigning was suspended in the EU referendum and George Osborne ripped

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up his annual Mansion house speech to remove any mention of Europe.

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Instead, he paid a moving tribute to Jo Cox. Jo fought to help the

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refugees from the Syrian civil war and she gave a voice to those who

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are the leader whose cry for help she felt was not being heard -- to

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those whose cry the help she felt was not being heard. The changed

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attitudes and I noted contributed to a change in policy. She will never

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know how many lives she helped transform. Today, doing their job,

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she senselessly lost her own life. As a former head of policy at Oxfam,

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Jo Cox was admired by colleagues as a passionate campaigner, but she was

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not afraid to challenge her own party, as she did last autumn when

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she said there was a strong case for military intervention in Syria. Jo

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was not afraid of speaking out and standing up for what she believed

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in. She was a strong campaigner. This evening, her husband Brendan

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Cox hailed his wife's work, but reminded the country, in a

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statement, that while she would be remembered as a great campaigner,

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her first thoughts were always with their children. He said...

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The dignity of the response to Jo Cox's death stands in stark contrast

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to the intense and sometimes ugly whirlwind of political battles.

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Perhaps the pause for reflection will lead to a kind of politics. --

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a kinder politics. Well, the murder occurred

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in broad daylight, on the streets of Birstall,

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outside the town's library. There are lots of questions

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about the mental health and potential far right

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links of the suspect. Jo Cox wanted to be as accessible

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as possible to her constituents many of whom she would have

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known since childhood. Today, she came to this library

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to her monthly surgery, it would have been advertised,

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no appointment was necessary. Here she would have felt

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in no danger as she dealt There is a huge sense of disbelief

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and profound sadness John Sweeney has been speaking

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to people in the town. And has the story of how the day

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unfolded. Tonight, a brilliant star of British

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politics lies dead. Instead of life and argument, Jo Cox is commemorated

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by candlelight. How could it be that anyone would want to murder this

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mother of two? The prime suspect is Tommy Mair. No one we have spoken to

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ever suspected he might be capable of murder. What is so extraordinary

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about the murder of Jo Cox is that everything has happened very

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locally. The killing itself took place about a mile from here, but

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this is the home of the suspect behind me. As you can see, there are

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a couple of police officers and behind them, some forensic officers

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who are obviously going through the House. I have spoken to some of the

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neighbours, they knew this man, the suspect. They say he is quiet,

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ordinary, no trouble. One of them said she saw him walk past her house

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this morning. Nobody here can understand how one of their

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community could have done this thing. Jo, the Labour MP for Batley

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and Spen, was talking to constituents in the local library

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when the assault began around 1pm today. I heard a loud noise behind

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me, it sounded like a car backfiring. Obviously became aware

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it was a gunshot. As I turned around to look at what the noise was, I

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heard a woman screaming and a guy was bent over the woman, I could see

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her leg sticking out, it looks like a gun in his hand. He proceeded

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again to shoot her on the floor. She was crawling away. Two men were

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wrestling the man. He then wielded the knife. The killing of Jo Cox

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occurred as far as we can tie with foresight. Immediately behind the

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library was where Jo was talking to her constituents. A man assaulted

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her. She ran down the hill and there was a kind of running battle. Her

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shoes and handbags were taken away by the forensic people a bit ago.

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Then she turns right into a car park and that is where she -- he stabs,

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that is when she goes down. The words I heard him say it were

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"Britain first" or "Put Britain first", but Britain first was what

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he was saying, he said it at least twice. Jo Cox was certified dead at

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1:48pm. Steven Lees has known the suspect Tommy Mair since childhood.

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Sometimes in the shop I could see his hands were red raw and maybe his

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face and his forehead was a bit red and his brother used to tell me when

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he had been gardening or cooking or something like that, he would attack

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his hands and his face and his head with a nail brush, to clean himself.

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So much that he hurt himself? He would rub the skin off. Where was

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his politics, did he talk politics to you? He would never talk

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politics. I never once thought he was into politics. He didn't seem

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the type to be into politics. I never heard him express any opinions

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about politics. So a loner, odd, peculiar, but not to the people who

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knew him a killer. Over the coming days, we will learn more about the

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killing of Jo Cox. Only one thing is absolutely clear tonight. Our

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country has lost a brave and singular politician.

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Well I am joined the now here in Birstall by one of Jo Cox's good

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friends and colleagues, Angela Smith. I'm so sorry for your loss

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tonight. Hard-working, popular, how would you describe her? Jo was just

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a very warm, lively, engaging personality and everybody who met

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her just became friends with her almost instantly. You know, it was

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never hard to get to know Jo, never difficult. She always had plenty to

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say. Some politicians now are criticised the coming straight into

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politics, she had a huge career, policy director at Oxfam, work on

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the White ribbon campaign and maternal deaths. Absolutely and her

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personality actually made her very effective campaign and I have spoken

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to many people today who actually would say that Jo was at the

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forefront of the battle to get the 0.7% of GDP aunts aid spending. She

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went out to dar four and helped this country build a consensus around

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this, she fought for women's writes, for women refugees who were raped

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and assaulted and all of her life, she has done that and that is what

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makes today so tragic in many ways. We have lost Jo as a human being but

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we have also lost a fantastic campaigner. Also, what I was saying

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at the very beginning, reading about her, she was so determined to be

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accessible. So people would walk into her surgery, she didn't want to

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feel she was apart from the people she had grown up with. That is right

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and I think most of us want to work that way. I do appointments in my

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surgeries. We all want to be as open as possible and we are not going to

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close the doors to our constituents. We all do the job the way we feel

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most comfortable with. But do you feel that MPs, in recent years, are

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more vulnerable and people feel they can have a go at them, have an issue

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with them? You get a lot of that online, you get a lot of e-mails and

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stuff on social media in that vein, but actually when you meet most

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people face-to-face, they are absolutely fine and one thing I am

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sure about, I am not going to have my professional life or my personal

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life circumscribed by events like this. And nor would she have wanted

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that. In a moving tribute, her husband wrote about the love she

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would want to be shown to her children, but he also said she would

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want us to unite against the hatred that killed her, eight does not have

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creed, race or religion -- hate. Indeed. Someone may have killed Jo

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Cox today but they haven't killed what she stands for, it is

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impossible, because we will absolutely carry on working and

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fighting for what Jo Cox stood for. She stood for human rights,

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equality, international justice. Nobody can kill that. Do you think

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that, had she lived, she would have been possible prime ministerial

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material? Jo would have achieved great things and hip she was here

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today, she would say, "Me, Prime Minister? Come on!" She was the type

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of person who just wanted to get on with everybody and achieve what she

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believed in and fight for the principles he believed in. What

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impact you think this will have on politics immediately? I think it has

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changed politics forever. There is talk of a recall of Parliament and I

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would welcome that. I recall soon. Yes, and I would welcome that

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because I would like to pay tribute to Jo and for her colleagues to

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reconvene and use Parliamentary democracy to demonstrate that

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democracy will not be beaten by this. We will continue to represent

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our constituents in Parliament and that is the best tribute possible

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that we could pay to Jo. Angela Smith, thank you very much.

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You can't read too much into a ghastly attack like this,

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at least not on the information we have at the moment.

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Mental health could be the primary issue, or malign political purpose.

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Sometimes, frankly, there's a blurred line between the two.

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But do we owe our MPs more security for the risks they take, and more

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The anger and unpleasantness that characterises some of the discourse

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But does it stoke up unhealthy feelings of hate that can spin out

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Our political editor Nick Watt is with me.

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Let's start with, you spoke to some other friends of Jo Cox this

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afternoon, proof that emotions are running high. I spoke to four of her

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closest parliamentary friends, people who have known her for 20

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years and worked with her. In a very moving joint interview they paid

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tribute to her as a great human rights campaigner but also somebody

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who exuded humanity and great human warmth. To be honest I think what

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stood out for me was Jo's amazing energy, she always had a smile, a

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new idea. We would call her the Energizer Bunny, she wanted to fight

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and do things and make things happen, she wouldn't take no for an

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answer and that defined her. She was working hard every day. She was

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tireless in the things she cared about. She was also such good fun to

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be around. She was an amazing MP but we've lost a really good friend

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today and I can't believe she's gone. I can't imagine what Brendan

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and the family are going through now. Walking through and her not

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being on the benches. It doesn't seem real. How good, somebody who

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was full of demanding energy, full of life, who frankly set an example

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for us all, how can that person be gone? It would be so common to see

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Jo arriving in the nick of time for a vote because she had been cycling

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like a maniac, in her cycling gear, she would always be there for her

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kids, always taking them in, getting the evening meal. I can't imagine

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what the family are going through. It is such a massive loss. And it is

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what she would have done next, she had only been here for a year and

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she had done so much, especially refugees and money for Syria. A

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conviction politician as well as being a fully paid-up member of the

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human race, representing the best of what politics should be about and

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what humanity is about. It isn't just us who have lost someone, it is

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those who are most vulnerable in the world who have lost their most woman

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double champion. That's what we've lost. We need to realise what we've

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lost, one of the gutsiest and most principled, intelligent, brilliant

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women I've ever had the honour in my life to know. All we care tonight is

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how on earth we carry on without Jo by our side because she kept us

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going. Jo was brave, she endured, a lot of us get difficult times on

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social media, but she stood up because she was doing what she

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believed in and that was testament to her, the difference she was

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prepared to make. We talked about it on Tuesday night, as Brendan, her

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husband said in his statement, no regrets about anything she has done

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in her life. She woke up every day thinking about how she can change

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the world and she got stuck into it. That is the example we have to

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follow and it's that spirit we have to take and run with. There are

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people who are safe in the world because of Jo and that is what she

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stood for. She lived that every day and we have to keep fighting for

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what she believed in. Politicians as human beings. Nick, security, in the

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house, out in their constituencies, it has to be an issue now? Important

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to render that in the last 15 years, two MPs have been subject knife tax,

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Nigel Jones and Stephen Timms. -- knife attack. But in recent years,

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concerns have been raised by MPs in the light of these Syria vote and

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the attacks on them in MPs online and concerns are being expressed.

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One of the parliamentary democracy, the direct contact between MPs and

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constituents leave them very vulnerable. The parliamentary

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authorities have agreed to pay in recent months for security at MPs'

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homes and offices in their constituencies but there are real

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concerns that while Parliament is a fortress, the authorities there are

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not taking the potential threat in constituencies enough and there are

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concerns that perhaps the message isn't getting down to local police

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forces, who think that MPs are predicted in Parliament, not seeing

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that those MPs are still vulnerable once they are in their

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constituencies. What about the big political issue, the tone of our

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politics, the vitriol, the demonisation of them? The license

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people feel, really, to be very nasty about MPs in their language

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and on social media. Has this crystallised thoughts? Important to

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say that we don't yet know the motive for the murder but clearly

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what is happening now is that British politics is taking a step

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back. There is a pause for breath and one thing people are looking at

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is the very aggressive tone on social media. I was talking to a

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very senior Labour MP, a lady MP who said that MPs are very open,

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advertising their movements on social media, and she said that she

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feared that the aggressive personalised tone on social media

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really is having a very negative effect on policy and individual

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safety. Well, on that point about vitriol

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in politics and social media, it has become an issue today,

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even without us knowing exactly Let's just play a clip from Labour

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MP for Bermondsey, Neil Coyle. from the news about Jo Cox,

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but he drew a line from hate-filled social media, through to rhetoric

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about migrants and what he sees as the demonising of foreigners,

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right through to components of the Leave campaign

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in the referendum. He's not the only one

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to have done that today. I think that the kind of nonsense

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they inspire online from anonymous accounts and actually the core

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content of the posts accounts and actually the core

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content of the poster that they launched today,

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look at what they are putting out. I think they are a very dangerous...

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They risk inspiring extremist elements on the hard right in this

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country. Labour parliamentary

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candidate in 2015 Anne McElvoy, senior

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editor at The Economist, and Jonathan Freedland,

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columnist at The Guardian. Thank you for joining us. Is a very

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sad day. Let's start with the most pointed of all the criticisms, that

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somehow it is elements of the political campaigns we are seeing at

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the moment which have been most vicious and spreading viciousness.

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Jonathan, do you agree that there is a read-through from that into

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political violence? It predates what's going on now, the Brexit

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debate, it is the political culture. We don't know what is in the mind of

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this individual but the idea that the debate has got more course has

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been undeniable. Expenses was a watershed moment where suddenly it

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was casual and routine to depict MPs as venal and grubby and entirely

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self interested and that has congee into an accepted received wisdom,

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all the same as each other, you can't trust them, all liars -- has

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congee. If you have that poison injected into the bloodstream

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eventually you will have consequences. -- congealed. In the

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Guardian tomorrow, Polly Toynbee has written an article, very much on the

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same lines, that they there is possibility, not for the attack, but

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for the mood, for the inflammatory language, overt racism, a noxious

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brew with a dangerous anti-MP stereotype. Do you believe that? I

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haven't read the column, so I don't want to comment in any detail. It

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depends who the they is. Step back and look at the tone of our

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politics, but I think it is a bit tendentious, that leap into the

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permissive environment where everything you don't like then

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becomes in some way the slippery slope to this most terrible murder.

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Even if we get to know a bit more about the man and his political

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affiliations, by an unlikely to be wholesome and that has gone over

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many years, many decades and different democracies have had to

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confront it on the far left and the far right. Anything that goes

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outside the democratic norm and feeds violence is wrong. I feel we

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should stand up for that as the democratic principle. One

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interesting counterfactual, I covered Germany and east German

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unification, in 1990, a man who is now the very eminent Finance

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minister was attacked, brutally attacked, he has been in a

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wheelchair ever since. That was in the mood of 1990, very het up,

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reunification. The political discourse in Germany was by our

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standards very gentle, almost herbivorous. It came out of the time

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but what is the link we are drawing? I wonder if we are trying to draw

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too much, trying to imbue this with too much meaning. It could be an

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isolated man with severe mental health problems. It's nothing to do

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with politics, with the Brexit debate, I wonder if that's the way

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to look at it? It might be but we have suspended campaigning and we

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have an opportunity to decide, once we start campaigning again, whether

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we will continue in the same way because let's be honest, there are

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patriots on both sides of the debate. We need to have a more

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respectful kind of debate. I was on the bridge, Westminster Bridge being

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the rather unedifying flotilla fight in the river. Yes, it makes for some

:26:09.:26:14.

fun, for some entertaining sketches, but with those kind of

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gesticulations between two millionaires, let's be honest, I

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waved at Jo and Brendan and their children in their rib from the

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bridge while I saw people shouting traitor at each other. That kind of

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language is the only bad for politicians but it is bad for each

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other and the national conversation. We need to be better than that. A

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lot of people saying that this is spirited politics and the more you

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give voice to people's anger and emotion and passion, the less likely

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you are to have hideous outbursts. You can do that, you can have

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spirited politics without resulting Dyer resorting to the language of

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toxicity. -- without resorting. MPs on social media have been on the end

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of death threats and rape threats, you can think of that as sealed off

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in the online world, but sometimes there are real-world consequences.

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You are right to want to separate the day, which we don't moan about,

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we can only mourn about it -- which we don't know about. We should think

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about it. The interesting example from Germany, the thing about

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demonising a category of people involved in politics. I covered the

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aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing in America in 1995, there

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was a building of federal bureaucrats and 167 of them were

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killed. The lead up to that, the phrase federal bureaucrats became

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almost an insult. Talk radio work demonising them as if they were the

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source of America's problems. After Oklahoma City, people pulled back

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and thought, maybe we shouldn't talk about these people like that any

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more. Maybe we should think about how we talk about politics and

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public servants. In a rambunctious political culture where we allow

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liberalism, that is very much at stake here, we will never agree.

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Even you and I, we are closer than some of the people watching, to the

:28:18.:28:22.

left and to the right of us, there will be things where they will say

:28:23.:28:25.

that we have crossed the line and we have to stand up in a democracy for

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the right to offend as well as be offended. That's fine, but the

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reality is that politics and democracy is supposed to be an alter

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native to violence. What I'm worried about is starting to see a language

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in the national conversation which facilitates and allows violence to

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be legitimised. That's a problem. Whether it is the specifics of

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today. Overall, politicians and many other people who are doing good work

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like Jo did, she did it in refugee camps, people at food banks can find

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themselves in the face of histolytica because of the way that

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decisions are being made. That's not good enough. -- in the face of

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hostility. Can we talk about the security of MPs? Is it possible to

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have accessible MPs who are meeting their constituents, as available as

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Jo Cox was, and give them some help and security? I think it's going to

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be a very difficult trade-off. That sounds like a tough thing to say

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after such a promising young woman has been struck down but one of the

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things, having been to different countries and covering different

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politics, I would stand up for that slightly... Go to the

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constituencies, however grand they are in Westminster, the person has

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to use in a slightly grubby room and meet you manatee with a lot of

:29:48.:29:51.

problems, they don't always come in in the most polite form -- meet

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humanity. It comes with a risk but I think it is important. Of course,

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Nick what was important, talk to police forces and make sure that

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there are sensible caveats in place but the good thing is that this is

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not Russia or China, you can talk to your MP, if you are crossed, you can

:30:12.:30:17.

tell them so. I think that's right, the legacy should be that Jo

:30:18.:30:20.

achieved so much as a campaigner before she was elected. The thing we

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must remember is that she achieved things and we want to make sure that

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people like Jo can become politicians again and what I'm

:30:29.:30:34.

worried about is that if we have this national conversation, becoming

:30:35.:30:38.

so toxic, people like Jo will not stand as MPs in the future. Thank

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you for joining us. Every year around the world,

:30:40.:30:42.

15 million girls are forced to marry Bangladesh has one of the highest

:30:43.:30:48.

rates of child marriage where over half of girls marry

:30:49.:30:52.

before reaching adulthood. These girls often face sexual

:30:53.:30:54.

violence, dangerous childbirth The government in Bangladesh

:30:55.:30:56.

has pledged that within it'll eliminate the child marriage

:30:57.:30:59.

of girls under 15 years old. Farhana Haider has been

:31:00.:31:04.

to the capital Dhaka to meet girls on the outskirts of Bangladesh's

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capital city Dhaka said this slum, where girls have to grow up fast.

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TRANSLATION: Millions of girls here in Bangladesh

:31:30.:32:04.

face a similar story. In fact, One in Five girls are married by the

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time they reach their 15th birthday. All too often, they come from the

:32:11.:32:13.

poorest areas, where girls are seen as a burden.

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It is a patriarchal society, where a girl's reputation is everything.

:32:21.:32:26.

Unmarried young women face harassment simply walking down the

:32:27.:32:31.

street. So millions of girls are forced to marry before the legal age

:32:32.:32:33.

of 18 to preserve family honour. In the slum, 40,000 people are

:32:34.:32:46.

crammed onto a tiny plot of land. It is a city within a city, a

:32:47.:32:49.

self-governing community where marriage is determined not by law

:32:50.:32:56.

but by circumstances. In this maze of alleyways are one room tin

:32:57.:33:00.

shacks, where entire families live. Births, deaths and marriages happen

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here. For teenage girls living in this slum, life is tough. In the

:33:06.:33:16.

heart of the slum leaves 13-year-old Molika, with her mother.

:33:17.:33:22.

Molika is due to get married at the end of the week.

:33:23.:34:10.

It is a false sense of security. Once married, the problems faced by

:34:11.:34:15.

the girls often get worse. 16-year-old Sharmin was death by her

:34:16.:34:31.

husband last year when she was four months pregnant with her baby.

:34:32.:34:36.

Buried deep under the bed, Sharmin keeps her wedding clothes.

:34:37.:35:01.

These girls are married off because their families can't afford to keep

:35:02.:35:08.

them. Yet the reality is that once they are married, husbands start

:35:09.:35:12.

demanding dowries they simply can't afford. So they are abandoned.

:35:13.:35:17.

15-year-old Regina was married last year to a man 12 years older than

:35:18.:35:19.

her. The Bangladesh Government estimates

:35:20.:35:36.

that 87% of married women here face some form of physical or mental

:35:37.:35:43.

abuse. Regina's husband left her a few months into the marriage, so her

:35:44.:35:46.

father turned to the police for help.

:35:47.:36:00.

He says he had to pay the police ?60, which is more than his monthly

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income. Money and marriage go hand-in-hand

:36:05.:36:27.

here. 17-year-old Ustma was married two years ago.

:36:28.:36:47.

Ustma's husband left her after five months of marriage. But, like

:36:48.:36:55.

thousands of other girls here in the slum, work in garment factories is

:36:56.:37:01.

offering Jo at offering them independence. -- offering them

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independence. The forced marriage of young girls

:37:05.:38:13.

around the world will continue unless attitudes towards young women

:38:14.:38:17.

change and they are allowed to fulfil their potential.

:38:18.:38:27.

Let's take a quick look at the newspapers. The Times, they are all

:38:28.:38:35.

obviously leading on Jo Cox, the murdered MP had faced a string of

:38:36.:38:40.

security threats. Police were reviewing her protection, they say.

:38:41.:38:43.

The Guardian, she believed in a better world, she fought for it

:38:44.:38:50.

every day, the arrested man shouted "Britain first" according to

:38:51.:38:56.

witnesses. The Sun takes the personal angle, husband's moving

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tribute with a picture of the suspect on the front. The Daily

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Mail, devoted mother of two, dedicated public servant, a

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remarkable woman, what a tragic waste. And the Financial Times also

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leading on it, the killing of Jo Cox brings abrupt halt to a referendum

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-- the referendum campaign, which is suspended until Saturday. I love

:39:20.:39:23.

that a couple of the continental papers, French and German, and on

:39:24.:39:27.

their websites, they were leading on that story -- I looked at. Tonight,

:39:28.:39:32.

democracy was continuing and today was the tooting by-election and

:39:33.:39:36.

after the vote, the memorial to Jo Cox, they held a two minute silence

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in her memory. We leave you tonight with a section of that.

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