20/06/2016 Newsnight


How has the death of Jo Cox changed the course of the referendum? And from Bognor, the take of the older generation.

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We've heard a lot about what we think, so what does


There will maximum be two years to negotiate. It could be done quicker.


I would be in favour of a very quick solution to this.


Brussels won't be happy if we take the Tippex to Heath's signature.


We'll look at what happens on Friday, if we do.


Former Tory leader, and Brexiteer, Michael Howard will take us


Also tonight, we take our referendum truck to Bognor Regis,


Is it a problem if you guys take us out, and the young wanted to be in?


I'm thinking beyond the next five or ten years, which I don't think


the politicians are, and I'm thinking for my grandchildren.


And more to the point, they will know, too.


The rest of the EU will find out what has hit it.


The first meeting of the European Council is a week tomorrow.


That's when the European reaction will be crystallised.


If we vote to leave, they'll have a lot to talk about.


Could it even be that the other 27 leaders meet ahead of time,


or ask David Cameron to take a short walk, while they work out


The big question in the event of Brexit is what the new UK-EU


Then there's a smaller, tactical question, too;


do we invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty?


Article 50 provides for a nation to leave the EU.


It gives us a system to negotiate our way out.


But it imposes a time limit, too, that may not be very helpful


Our diplomatic editor Mark Urban has been visiting European capitals,


to get the view of Brexit from there.


Across Europe, the ministers and bureaucrats are thinking the


unthinkable. A British exit from the EU may be imminent. We've been


travelling through some key countries in northern Europe, trying


to get a handle on how they'd deal with it, what arguments they might


deploy in talks. In Denmark, they know about saying


no to the EU. Denmark's vote against the Maastricht Treaty 24 years ago


is just one example of when a referendum has derailed EU plans,


and what has tended to happen in the past is that the commission has gone


back to the drawing board and crafted a new offer. So the first


dilemma that other European countries would face if Britain


voted for Brexit is whether to offer a better deal to the UK. Former


members of the commission, the EU civil service, suggest it would be


hard to come up with further concessions for the UK. With all the


challenges now, will the economic situation in Europe, will Russia and


Putin, with the security issues, with terrorism, and immigrants, they


would not be a lot of appetite to spend too much time on finding these


solutions. Remember, the other thing, that they gave Britain,


basically, what the British government asked for. They think


they have been forthcoming already. So I just think it is still


extremely risky, what could happen after there would be a no.


Underlying all talks would be a fear of other nations trying to get their


own bespoke deals. I think first of all the commission would try to


avoid precedents, they certainly would not support a solution which


could create appetite for other member states to follow the British


example. For that reason, many European politicians feel further


concessions after Britain's vote would be pointless, and argue that


27 would want to move swiftly and to Britain's exit talks. In principle,


I would say that there should be no doubt that a No vote, that is a vote


to leave the EU, should be respected. And, after that, I also


think that we should go for a quick decision, according to the EU


treaty, there will maximum be two years to negotiate. It could be done


quicker. I would be in favour of a very quick solution to this. The


Sicilian Hof Palace was built in an English style a century ago. It is


located in Potsdam in Germany. Allied leaders met here after the


Second World War to shape the peace come and to prevent Germany from


rising again to military domination of Europe. The summit that would


follow a Brexit, inevitably nations would take different positions.


European politicians tell us the French the Italians and possibly the


Spanish could be expected to want the toughest possible terms for


Britain. The Scandinavians and Dutch, on the other hand, would want


to be as reasonable as they could. And in between, synthesising those


different positions, and providing leadership, as in so many recent


crises for the EU, would be Chancellor Merkel's Germany. Germany


will be very exposed in the EU, and Germany will get more or less


automatically the only leadership fall. Germany will be whether


Germany wants it or not, and we can tell you Germany doesn't want it,


they will have to accent leadership in the European Union, and I'm not


sure, but if this is something that the British would clearly want.


Contagion, euro scepticism, is present in Germany of course. The


AFD, or all turn it for Germany party has been eating into the


Chancellor's vote of late. -- alternative for Germany. The leader


would rather Britain stays in to fight for reform and believes the


project is in serious trouble. We have already seen that projects on


the integration have failed, for example the euro. As attempts to


have a common migration policy, or turn at off common social policies.


So whatever the EU commission does, we will see that the problems will


become even more evident on a European level, and therefore I


think with Britain or without Britain, the EU will have to change.


This is the where the -- the Bundesrat, where the leaders of


Germany's states meet. What strategy with a advocate? If the views of


Chancellor Merkel's president are anything to go by, even single


market access on Swiss or Norwegian terms must be ruled out for Britain.


Another minister president from Angela Merkel's party, though, took


a more moderate line, arguing a way would have to be found to create a


new relationship. In Berlin's fortress-like


chancellery, Angela Merkel would have two balance those different use


within her party and within the EU. Just how hard a bargain to drive,


how far to protect German markets in the UK, this is prioritising the


survival of the EU project as a whole. Germany has an interest to


show all the other Eurosceptics, let's say maybe parts of Denmark,


the Netherlands, maybe the Poles, that they have something to lose.


That is why they have to be tough on Britain, after the article 50 is


involved. It might seem like the most rigid diplomacy imaginable,


stay in or we will make an example of you. But today there are many


here, and elsewhere in Europe, who insist they are in earnest. Mark


Urban there. Well, most of the other


Europeans hope the Brexit One person who hopes it


will is Michael Howard, former Home Secretary and former


leader of the Conservative Party. Now Lord Howard. A very good evening


to you. First of all, do you think if we vote for Brexit on Thursday,


as I think you once said, it's worth pausing for a month to see if a


better offer comes along, remaining in the EU, and then we maybe have a


second referendum and discuss whether the new terms are


acceptable? I think there's something to be said for that. I


don't think we would make any approach, we would have voted to


leave, but if the Europeans came forward with some other offer, which


looked credible, I personally would be prepared to talk to them about


it. Even though we have just voted to leave, and it is OK, guys, you


can stay in? It depends on what terms. What would it need to be for


a Prime Minister to go back to a country and say look, let's do it


all again? Look, it might not happen, and it would be up to them.


It would need to be a fundamental and far-reaching reform, which David


Cameron originally asked for in his speech. But that's not going to


happen. If that's not bad to happen, there would be no point in talking.


On Friday, fuming that doesn't happen, and maybe you want to wait a


few days, -- assuming, do you invoke article 50? I am not in charge, but


I think that is the logical thing to do. I agree with Mr Rasmussen, who


thought it would be a rather quick negotiation. He is wrong when he


says there is a two-year limit. It can be extended. By unanimity. It is


Germany who calls the shots, and forgot to two years and Angela


Merkel were still in office and wanted it extended, it would jolly


well be standard. Tell us why someone on your side of this are


keen not to invoke article 50 very quickly, because the official Leave


campaign is we don't need to do that for a while, we can sit and light a


cigar. I agree with the tours. Some are even saying, John Redwood has


told this programme this afternoon, you don't ever have to invoke


Article 50. Why do it? That is to respect the Treaty of Lisbon which


others would reject. I have told you what I would think would happen. So


we invoke article 50 at a reasonable price? Yes. And it doesn't bother


you that the clock is ticking against us and they could string it


out, we get a worse deal? What we have got to get it into our heads is


that we will not be supplicants. We are the fifth biggest economy in the


world, they sell us what much more than we sell them, they will not


what of their nose to spite their face. Your specific concern, the


reason you feel so strongly, is about the sovereignty of Parliament,


and the court of the European court of justice back and tell Parliament


what it is able to do and not. And it is about to do that. I think


Thursday may be our last chance to vote for a democratic self-governing


country. People don't understand that the European court of justice


now has the power to overrule Acts of Parliament. It has already


overruled an act of the Scottish parliament, the first act, actually,


passed by the SNP when it got a majority in the Scottish Parliament,


and an act that was passed by our Parliament in 2014, which the Home


Secretary said was critical to protecting children, fighting


terrorism and commenting crime, is coming before the European court of


justice, of course not before Thursday, but in a few weeks' time,


and they would be perfectly entitled, as things stand, to strike


it out, to overrule it. And you know, Evan, there was a passage in


the Queen's speech, which said the government pledges to uphold the


sovereignty of Parliament, and the primacy of the House of Commons.


Those words are not worth the paper they are written on as long as we


remain members of the European Union. Right, and that's because if


you join a club like that, somebody has to be the final arbiter between


whether you have obeyed the rules of the club or not. The keywords are if


you join a club like that. I quite agree, if you have a club that is


limited to economic issues, trade issues, you have to have some


adjudication on the trade issues, but the Charter of fundamental human


rights goes far, far beyond that, and they can override practically


anything our Parliament would pass. I understand the point you are


making, there are many on your side of the debate to say letters not


wait for the two years to be up, or the four years to be up while we in


the go shoot our exit from the EU. If we vote leave, we need to pass a


bill amending the European Community 's act of 1972, where Ted Heath got


a sin. We need to amend that Bill to stop the European court of justice


for example being able to tell us whether we have our Data Protection


Act or not, our data use act or not. Do you believe we should change the


law before we have negotiated our exit, or should we wait until we


finally have agreed an exit. We might well have to do that. Do what?


We might well have to legislate before the end of the negotiation.


Suppose you had a two-year period and then it was extended and so on,


we are not going to wait forever, not going to wait for four years


before making it clear that our Parliament is supreme. If the


negotiation is a quick thing, and it should be, there is a food trade


area from Iceland to Turkey, so the obvious solution would be let's have


a free trade area. You are contemplating passing a law,


Parliament passing a bill, in breach of our treaty obligations. If that


is necessary I would support it. Is this meant to be a way to a


harmonious separation from the EU? Will this lead to them being well


disposed to giving us a good deal? I don't think it would be necessary,


if they want a harmonious relationship which they should do


and we should do, it was Jack Delors who said if the United Kingdom


doesn't want to agree to further European integration we should have


a different relationship with them, a friendly relationship. How long do


we give them before we start passing laws that basically unilaterally


say, stuff you, we are not part of your club anymore and we will not


negotiate? First of all, I will not be in charge. But you are providing


guidance. It would be ridiculous to set out arbitrary deadlines. It is


the official policy of Vote Leave that we should do this very quickly


after we leave, not waiting two years, within weeks we should say,


sorry guys, the European Court will not be telling us what to do. I'm


happy with that because I have a fundamental objection to the


European Court telling us what to do, it is fundamentally undemocratic


and we never signed up to that. Tony Blair promised us that the Charter


of fundamental rights did not apply to us, we never signed up to it,


that's the point! So you are happy with a position as Vote Leave has


suggested that we pass laws in breach of the our treaty


obligations, if you like, without having negotiated? If I have to do


that, yes, but I'm in favour of a quick negotiation as Mr Rasmussen


intimated and its possible and desirable. My understanding is Vote


Leave want to do it not given the EU 18 months, or two years, to sort it


out, they want to do it in a few weeks. There is no way we will sort


it out in three or four weeks, that spy in the sky. If we need to make


it clear that we are a self-governing Parliamentary


democracy and we need to pass legislation to achieve that we


should do it. That is our birthright, our heritage, our


tradition, and something we have a last chance to recover on Thursday.


Lord Howard, thank you very much. Thank you.


One striking development in the last few days - big


movements in the markets, apparently predicting that the odds


The pound has soared, the FTSE had its best


day for four months, and the bookies' odds have shifted.


The betting market had put the chance of a Brexit win above 40%


Yesterday, Brexit was seen as having a 33%


A couple of polls tonight putting Remain ahead.


Something has changed, it could be a late swing


to the status quo, that is something we often see.


But, obviously, it could also be a Jo Cox effect.


For a fifth day today, the campaign has been


affected by her death, with Parliament recalled,


to hear moving tributes from her colleagues.


Just before we came on air, I spoke to Professor John Curtice.


He is a pollster and I began by asking him the current state of play


in the referendum. It is perhaps worth reminding


ourselves where we seemed to be towards the end of last week before


the tragic murder of Jo Cox. We had just seen a whole sequence


of opinion polls that were the worst figures for Remain and the best


figures for Leave at any stage And for the first time perhaps


a real prospect that Remain were, on the consensus


of the opinion polls, behind. Then at the weekend we saw the polls


move back again to some degree, though even then the polls


being done over the Internet said it was a 50-50 call,


which is what they've been saying And we had one telephone


poll putting the Remain Tonight we have two more polls,


one Internet poll from YouGov, Another one from ORB,


a phone poll, depending a bit on how you interpret it,


but again it looks like So we are frankly looking


at a referendum which is still extraordinarily tight but maybe not


quite so bad for Remain as it looked So, the markets, the prediction


markets, the bookies, basically, thinking it is a 25%


chance of Brexit now, which has diminished


very, very rapidly. I think the truth is that they are


now seriously underestimating Given that most of the recent


opinion polls we have been having are saying it is somewhere


between maybe 49% for Remain and about 52% for Remain,


I would suggest something like 40-45% would be a more serious


and sensible probability for the prospect of


Leave at this juncture. Clearly something has changed


from the worst polls that Because, people were saying that


maybe there will be a late I think the truth is it's impossible


to tell whether there There is nothing directly in


the opinion polls to support that. Maybe there has been a little bit


of movement back towards Remain, but perhaps we shouldn't also simply


discount the most boring hypothesis which is that maybe last week


the polls happened all to slightly exaggerate Leave's position and that


maybe not a great deal has ever happened at all,


although I think in truth probably Remain's position still looks


somewhat weaker than it did certainly before we got


into the pre-election Since then, if you look


across the piece, the polls have just not looked quite so good


for Remain as they did beforehand. John Curtice, thank


you very much indeed. Our political editor


Nick Watt joins me now. You were in the Commons today for


what was a very special day, remembering Jo Cox. Yes, they were


very powerful scenes in the House of Commons as Jo Cox's closest


Parliamentary colleagues paid a warm tribute to her, but really the most


poignant moment was when there were often moments of complete silence in


the chamber of the House of Commons and all you could hear were the


voices of her three and five-year-old making the noises that


any three or five-year-old makes when their father, in this case can


or their grandparent, is reading a book to them. The referendum


obviously wasn't directly addressed in these tributes, but it was never


far away. There was real anger today amongst Tory Vote Leave supporters


in the way in which they believe the Prime Minister is seeking to use the


death of Jo Cox to sort of bolster the Remain side, they cited the


Sunday Telegraph article in which the Prime Minister praised her work


for the Remain campaign and one former Tory Cabinet minister who I


spoke to who was still wearing his white rose of Yorkshire as a mark of


respect to Jo Cox and he said the Prime Minister had walked across a


line and behaved in a disgusting way. The Vote Leave leadership had


to send out a message this afternoon, they have a WhatsApp


group to communicate with their supporters, and they said to their


side, do not say anything, hold your horses, this is the time for silence


on this particular issue. Does the behind-the-scenes annoyance with the


Prime Minister, does it indicate anything about their worries and


anxieties about how this is going in the last week? I think it shows that


the Vote Leave side is nervous because they appeared to be moving


some way ahead in the polls and the polls are more difficult to read


now. It's interesting, I was speaking to Labour Brexit minister


last week who said it is all over are in the shouting, we have won. I


spoke to the same minister today and he said I still think we are going


to win but I think there were a few more caveats. It's important to say


that the Remain side are also very nervous and thought they had won on


the economy and they know that Vote Leave have had a great run on


immigration. Nick, thank you very much indeed.


There is so much to talk about in the referendum,


Much of the campaign has been devoted to a relatively


short playlist of issues, but you might remember that last


week, we had been taking Newsnight travelling - a short road trip


through the UK to get some fresh perspectives on the EU debate.


That was put on hold, but could we at least retrieve one


For obvious reasons the journey of the Newsnight truck


and our referendum road trip was suspended along


We had started in Glasgow and Stornoway last Monday,


made stops in Middlesbrough and Leicester, before pausing.


The schedule had the truck ending its journey in the southern resort


And we decided to keep to that date with just a brief visit to the town


to record some material on its perspective


on the referendum, a debate about the future of Britain,


We didn't have time to stop at the famous Butlins,


one of three in the country but we did get to see


The beaches are proud to regularly fly the European blue flag


The south coast is physically closer to the Continent than most


of the country and Bognor is not alone among towns here in fostering


But politically the local constituency's Conservative


and is one where Ukip performed well at the last election with 22%


You don't need me to tell you that the demographics of seaside towns


are often skewed to the elderly. About the Regis of the world make a


great place to retire but the sea also offers attractions to youthful


visitors as well. Here it turns out there are more of the older than the


young but still there is nowhere better to think about what kind of


generational divide exists in attitudes to the EU. Are Wallasey


editor Chris Cook came down here to find out for stop -- policy editor.


When the votes are tallied on Thursday night, a lot of seaside


towns will end up as strong supporters of Leave.


And Bognor Regis, on the Sussex coast, is likely to be one of them.


Now, Bognor is perhaps best known as a holiday resort,


despite its sometimes unreliable weather, but it has also got unusual


demographics that make it prime territory for Leave.


For one thing, we know that people with fewer qualifications,


be they academic or technical, are more likely to vote for Leave,


and here in Bognor, only 28% of people have any sort


of significant postsecondary qualification, as opposed to 37%


We also know that people who earn less are more


likely to vote for Leave, and here in Bognor the average wage


is around ?475 a week, that's ?50 a week less


than the national average, it's a full ?100 a week


less than the average for the Southeast of England.


Finally, and this is the big one for Bognor, we also know that older


people are more likely to vote for Leave, and here in Bognor around


A recent poll by Populous implies that if the population


was split 50-50 on Brexit, around 69% of under 24s


Conversely, 62% of over 65s would vote for Leave,


You can see that split when you talk to members of the


How do you intend to vote for the referendum?


I've not spoken to one who wants to stay in.


With all the immigration, all the benefits, the hospitals


straining at the seams, all the cancelled operations,


as I said about the schools and everything.


So you don't trust Mark Carney, or the Chancellor,


or the Prime Minister, or Martin Lewis, or any of these


people, when they say we will be poorer


They don't know any more than we do, do they, really?


The Governor of the Bank of England is a specialist economist,


central banker, brought in from Canada to help


run our economy, and he thinks it's a bad idea.


Yes, but does he know what it's like to go around Sainsbury's


shopping, or into where all people that are on benefits are spending


One of the things nationally is we think younger people


are going to be more likely to vote Remain.


It's their future, you see. They don't know the history.


We have known a different way, you see, so that is what we


are falling back on, because we knew it as it was.


We ask this not quite retired Remainer, who chairs a local


business, why he thinks older people tend to be pro-Leave.


I see it with my mother's generation that they really feel somehow


threatened by all the immigrants around.


They think that's changed the character of the place,


but the health service and the care homes they are going to end up


in just couldn't function without some immigration.


We caught up with some sporty young people at a local beach who had


rather different politics to their older neighbours.


Of your friends who you know are voting, what do


All of them are in, all of them are in, I can't see any idea why


Why is it you think that older people generally tend to disagree


More of that generation are geared towards having Britain as more


independent before the EU was really fully formed, and with our


generation we are much more about travelling,


much more about being free, much more about creating a wider


The reason why I am voting for In is that the deal we have


at the moment with Europe is great, you know, free movement of labour,


especially for watersports enthusiasts like us,


It means we can go and work in any country in Europe


without having to get a visa, and for us especially,


But the reason to leave the EU is to control immigration.


That seems to be a real emotional standpoint to take,


and I think, honestly, are we really going to curtail


immigration that much, and if we are, is that going


Is immigration a problem for people your age?


I think it's ridiculous that it is even considered a problem.


The local Ukip chair explains why he thinks young people


The young people have been very badly served by the politicians.


I don't think the politicians have been open and honest


They have fought a fear campaign, which has been devoid of the facts.


On Thursday, one generation will prevail.


Family arguments might be more ferocious this year than ever.


Well, I am joined by three local people, all at the more elderly


end of the spectrum, all over the age of 60.


Thank you all very much for joining us on this


First of all, why do you think there is this age


gap between the younger and the older in attitudes?


I think that people of my age can remember before we joined


the European Economic Community and we were able to manage.


The European Economic Community was a good thing.


And you are veering to Out, aren't you?


Yes, I haven't made up my mind completely but I'd like to be


I've yet to be convinced there is necessarily a strict divide


But I tend to agree with what Jane says, that I think the young people


haven't necessarily experienced what has gone before and haven't


seen that Britain can perfectly easily survive and the world isn't


going to fall in if we come out of the European Union.


You've got your own sign-writing business.


I think there has been a lot of pontificating about


To the detriment of the strengths that we have been living


with for a long time and just take for granted now.


I think taking it for granted is a massive mistake


which we could fall into if there is this sway to leave


Would it bother you, let's put it crudely,


if the old pulled us out of the EU and the young had wanted to stay in?


People say is it a problem if England votes us out


But is it a problem if you guys take us out and the young


Does that bother you, Jane?


I think it's a very important point, because they are the ones that


have to make it work, whatever we decide.


But I'm thinking beyond the next five or ten years, which I don't


I'm thinking for my grandchildren who are now aged eight to 13.


In a way I think it might be their only chance


Yeah, I agree with that, this will be the only chance


they will get because I don't think there will be another chance.


If we look at the issues in this campaign, mostly immigration


and the economy are being talked about a great deal.


Do we think that the elderly put more weight on immigration


My generation and slightly older than me have to think about,


as we get older and we are all now expecting to live to 80 plus,


Jane and Hugh, that is a paradox isn't it?


Care workers are disproportionately...


Yes, but I really seriously think this is a non-issue,


because immigration, for example myself, I know


lots of immigrants around here who are truly excellent people


and they do a terrific job and they are real


All that is being asked in relation to the European Union or anywhere


else is that we are able to choose those people that come here.


That means that we will still have the excellent


Those who say that it's not an issue have their heads in the sand.


Can you imagine if we come out that we retreat over the bit


as a nation and maybe we don't build High Speed 2,


and we don't build a third runway at Heathrow?


Do you see these kinds of things as connected?


I'm just interested in your bigger vision of Britain.


The future of Britain, as can happen outside the EU,


There is a tremendous future for Britain, as there is for a lot


I don't really see that that makes a lot of difference.


But I am very positive about the many excellent things


Britain can do if it is able to trade freely with all the other


countries of the world, instead of just being restricted


Whatever the outcome may be, and I'm passionate about the Remain


in because of all the benefits it will bring the future generations


of our children and their children as it goes forward.


Because, the strength that it will give all of us,


it beggars belief that we can see ourselves as little Englanders


being run by politicians that have no vision, no imagination.


This little Englander thing kind of irritates me in a sense


because we are not little Englanders, we are Great Britain


and Great Britain can survive perfectly well, as David Cameron has


Do you think Britain was a better country in the days before


No, so you are not in any way attached


Is there an emotional bond, do you think, that young people


Do you think younger people feel more European in identity,


a bit more, clearly not completely, but a bit more of a European


identity and the ability to travel there, friends there,


It's all they've done, it's all they know.


So, yes, I think they do have an attachment.


They are European and their understanding of what Europe is all


about is what they've lived through, what they've been educated in,


what they've seen, what they've experienced full stop.


what they've seen, what they've experienced, full stop.


Hugh, Jane, Steve, thank you very much indeed.


You may not have made up your mind yet.


In the recent polls, the undecideds have been


Anyway, through the campaign we've been helping you make your mind up,


by letting some engaging people who are not active campaigners,


set out their argument for or against.


We are in the last legs, and have to make sure we get


to Thursday having balanced up the quota on each side.


Tonight, our My Decision slot goes to the founder of lastminute.com


and philanthropist, Martha Lane Fox.


I'm wildly pro-Europe, both for reasons that


are from my heart and for reasons that are from my head.


If I had to describe the two, I guess I'd say that the head


reasons are based around my experiences as an entrepreneur


and a businessperson, and now a social entrepreneur,


and the experience I've had in the technology sector.


No surprises, you spend your entire time in the technology


sector thinking about how to connect the world more,


how to scale things, how to grow, how to use something that is small


and local, and help reach a global market.


The idea that you would retract into the smaller place is just


something that is so countercultural in my working life.


But my heart part is more important, I believe, and more dominant actuary


in my thinking and my decision-making.


I so strongly believe that we should always be part of the discussion,


and inclusion is a better position to take than exclusion.


Where do you sit on voting in or out?


I think like any enormous system in any country,


in any political structure, things can improve and change.


If I look at it from my own perspective, the technology world,


it's still a pretty bureaucratic organisation, I'm not sure


When I visited Brussels, the Commission is full of paper.


There is lots of change and excitement you could reorganise


around the internet, but I'm not sure that is particular


to Brussels, it is particular to most political systems.


The fear that I would have is that we have lost an ability


to impact the most important debates of our times, and we need to have


as big a voice as possible to solve the big challenges,


whether that is climate change, whether that is the mass


migration of peoples, whether that is gender


equality, or whether that is technological shifts.


I fear for us as a country we are looking backwards not


forwards and that we would become much diminished.


Emily will be at Wembley tomorrow for the really


But we leave you with a celebration of the Welsh football


team's third goal against Russia, which left them and not


Not bad, as the comedian David Schneider noted, for a country


Good evening, despite starting on a very wet note, Midsummer's day




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