21/06/2016 Newsnight


Newsnight is in the Wembley spin room for post-debate analysis, as well as on the doorsteps. Plus the Turkish prime minister's chief adviser.

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Well, the great debate is finished and we had it all. Blue on blue, red


on red, mayor on mayor. We are in the Wembley spin room with everybody


declaring victory, trying to work out who has won an advantage in the


EU endgame. They began by telling us


they were going to have a positive and patriotic case, and they are


back to Project Fear within moments. You might start off with platitudes,


saying how wonderful immigration is. But your campaign hasn't


been Project Fear, it's been Project Hate as far


as immigration is concerned. From big stadium events


to the most intimate. Hello, I am from vote Leave. I will


be voting Leave. Great. All the people from Europe are taking our


jobs. vote is chased down in the last


hours of this tightest With just a day to go,


we've banished the politicians, in favour of some of our most


thoughtful public figures each of whom has passionate views


on the EU: Howard Jacobson and Jack Monroe, Dreda Say Mitchell,


and the historian Robert Tombs - they'll be discussing what this


referendum, and the conduct of it, And we hear from Turkey,


whose ambitions to join the EU have been used by those


who want to Brexit as a stick to hit the Remainers


with, and in the debate President Erdogan's chief advisor


is here to hit back. Good evening from the spin


room at Wembley Arena. The last big debate of this fraught


referendum campaign has finished. And do these kind of debates


really influence people Whatever the case, in such a tight


campaign, on such a momentous issue, Joining me in a moment we'll explore


the arguments made tonight with representatives from both


sides, but first here's David Grossman with the key


moments from the debate. Wembley Arena is where


you can often see veteran Wembley Arena is where you can often


see veteran bands who are, shall we say, not in their first


bloom The audiences come to hear


their greatest hits, That, too, is the job


of tonight's politicians. Veterans of this


long, long campaign. It is quite simply too close


to polling day for them to Instead we've heard some


very familiar numbers We are stronger, safer


and better off in Europe. After the opening statements


there were questions from the 6000 strong


audience, picked to be half If we leave the EU, will this be


the beginning of a slippery slope towards weaker employment and social


rights in the UK? Thank you very much


for your question. And the truth is, UK governments


have led the way in providing good rights for workers,


even before the European Union came It's been governments


of all parties that have created minimum wage legislation,


now a national living wage, shared parental leave, childfree tax care,


tax free childcare and it is this country that is protecting


worker's rights. We do not need an unelected,


bureaucratic, European leaders who none of us can even name,


let alone who any of us voted for, to tell us what our


workers' rights should be. We hear a lot about holidays,


but when the working time directive came in,


two million people in Britain got Mainly women and


mainly young people. Do you trust them, can they promise


us today because I've heard a lot from some of these leading


light in the Leave campaign and what they plan to do with


employment rights. Can you promise us today that


you will protect each and every We already have that,


replied Boris Johnson. From the economy, the question


moved on to immigration. My family and I have had first-hand


experience How would it manage


if we left the EU, given the UK's inability to train and retain


sufficient doctors and nurses? I think the first thing we should do


tonight in a discussion about immigration is celebrate


immigrants and immigration and Because my family, my family has


benefited massively from immigration, and so I know have


millions of people watching tonight. The crucial thing is to


look in an informed way Look at the numbers,


look at the pressure that is large-scale, uncontrolled


immigration is causing You don't fund schools and hospitals


and you don't control And that is what leaving


the EU would do. The final part of the debate


was on sovereignty, Britain's relationship with


the European Union. If we vote to remain


on Thursday, how can we be sure in another 40 years, we won't find


ourselves in a United Britain is a sovereign,


independent country We retain control over our defence,


over the pound, over interest rates, what we do


in our schools, hospitals and public I just don't accept there


is a trade-off between trade and I think democracy is


enormously important. And finally by sort


of an encore, the closing I know that the EU isn't perfect,


but the benefits far And the Britain I know,


the Britain that I love works with its friends


and neighbours. They say we have no choice,


but to bow down to Brussels. We say, they are woefully


underestimating this country and With perhaps the strangest


one night only gig in Wembley Arena's long history now


over, we are now just hours away from polling day and we will find


out which of these Joining me now is our political


editor Nick Watt, Nick - Is it possible to say if there were


winners and losers? This room is buzzing with talk of Ruth Davidson


who emerged from something of an unknown star to many here. In


personal terms it was a pretty standout performance from the leader


of the Scottish Conservatives. I was speaking to her friend this


afternoon, who said she could not wait to get stuck into Boris


Johnson, and boy, did she. It is important to say she had a head


start, she didn't live through the Scottish referendum and was on the


winning side, so has lots of practice in these sorts of debates.


At their use or somebody who doesn't really sound like a conservative,


and the Remain side thinks she connects. They put them on the panel


because they believe this referendum will be won or lost in the Labour


heartlands and that was the message that they needed to get out to mind.


But it is important to say I think this debate basically told us where


this referendum is. It was symbolic of that. It's pretty evenly matched.


Whilst everyone is excited about Ruth Davidson, the vote leave camp


believe they did well in getting their fundamental message, take back


control. Journalists may sneer, every sentence ended with take back


control. But they are saying on these three core messages,


immigration, the economy and Britain's relationship with the EU,


people are hearing from vote Leave, vote for us and you take back


control so they are quite pleased. You have a sense of the choreography


of what might happen after the polls close? There is great excitement


among the vote Leave camp, spinning like mad in the room behind us. What


I understand is the moment the polls close the tone amongst vote Leave


Tories will completely change. A letter will be published, signed by


most of those Tory Brexit supporters saying the Prime Minister should


stay on regardless of the result. If all the Tory vote Leave supporters


do not sign a letter calling for him to go then he will not go. What will


be interesting is that Boris Johnson and Michael Gove will have the sort


of low-key response in the initial hours but when the result is


declared in Manchester, the first voice you will hear from vote Leave


will be the Labour chair of that campaign. She will make either a


victory or a concession speech. Then you will not hear from Boris Johnson


and Michael Gove until the Prime Minister has responded. And if the


Prime Minister has lost this referendum, they will wait to hear


what he says. There is a clear message coming out, the Prime


Minister would have two except the vote Leave demand that the Prime


Minister delays triggering article 50, that is the mechanism to take


the UK out of the EU. One person said if the Prime Minister carries


on with his plan to trigger that straightaway he would be thrown into


the river, and you may well see some of these people leaving the Cabinet.


Bit of a debate in vote Leave, some are saying we've got to have our


mandate introduced, out of the EU, out of the single market. Others are


saying maybe you could negotiate any easier association status. The


mechanics are fascinating. Well arguably what happens


here in the spin room is just as important as what happened


earlier in the arena across the road - it's here where spin doctors


and politicians try to bend the ears of journalists to convince them


that their side won the day. Joining me now is the Energy


Secretary and Remain Nice of you to come in. There was


some thought a big gaping hole where the Prime Minister should have been?


I didn't quite understand that comment. I was here at the debate


and what I heard was emptiness from the vote Leave campaign, I heard no


plan. Two days before this momentous decision and they were pressed


relentlessly on what their plan was and we heard absolutely nothing.


What was interesting, those from the vote remain side were very positive


in their selling of the immigration message, and very passionate about


it. It was something we hadn't heard. We'd heard a slightly


apologetic line on immigration, targets missed, certainly from the


Conservatives in the race so far. I think they were much rancour about


immigration than the Leave campaign. They did say they know it is


accommodated business but they rightly talked about the huge


benefits we get from immigration as well. What I thought was a really


revealing moment. Should it have come earlier? To be able to stand


there and say don't knock immigration, it is doing great


things. That is part of what we have been saying all along. When the vote


Leave campaign were challenged on immigration there was a slight pause


and shock, because they have been saying one thing to one group and


another to another group. Some immigrants think their communities


are going to grow, something they will get less, and that was revealed


when they couldn't give a number and couldn't even say whether it would


go up or down. This whole emphasis they have put on immigration is like


the rest of their plan, there is no thought about how to deliver its.


Some would say you've had the same problem when it comes to Turkey,


sending out to messages. We've heard the Chancellor, David Cameron say


it's not going to happen, it's simply not on the cards, not in my


lifetime. We heard the chief adviser to the Turkish president say he was


flabbergasted that Turkey will not be joining you, he said he thought


Cameron was their chief supporter of membership. We almost this is a red


herring, something that has been ruthlessly used. Are Turkey wrong?


Bien Karo website says Turkey is in plans to join the EU. We have always


said it will be 34 different chapters and on the current rate it


could be by the end of the next century. You haven't managed to shut


this down. We have to look at it and be clear what the Leave campaign are


doing. As Sadiq Khan show, they've been sending out misleading leaflets


talking about Turkey, mentioning only a number of countries, Turkey,


Iraq, Iran. Sadiq Khan was right when he said they have elements in


their campaign which is Project eight and they need to be much more


careful about that. You have been accused of project fear. I wonder


whether you go back over falling house prices, tax rises, emergency


austerity budget, these prophecies of doom. You could have chosen away


which was the sunlit uplands. You could have had making the campaign


nicer place. I think it's absolutely right to talk about the benefits we


have in the European Union which we have been doing. I was very pleased


to hear Sadiq Khan mention climate change for the first time. The fact


is on Thursday this decision is huge and the impact on the economy and to


people's everyday lives, to their families, to the jobs, Frances


O'Grady made that point very clearly. The Leave campaign are


reckless with people's jobs. It is irresponsible and it's a leap into


the dark. Thank you very much Well on Newsnight, we usually


like to have people from both sides debating each other but due


to a strict edict from No.10 barring 'blue on blue' discussions that has


held to the very end of this campaign, we'll dismiss Amber Rudd


now to be joined by her fellow Conservative minister and Leave


campaigner Dominic Raab. What about this project hates,


project fear becoming Project hate? I think they have doubled down on


the scaremongering and the negativity. The standout thing for


me, was Sadiq Khan, telling us how scared he is. On the contract


inside, Boris Johnson saying Thursday's Independence Day, the


optimistic message and the confidence that we want people to


turn out and vote. What happened to the 350 million figure, I didn't


hear that at all to night? I think it slipped in in various areas. I


use it all the time, I can understand why people think 350


million is a gross figure. When you get paid your salary by the BBC, I


shudder to think how big it is. There was no mention of 350. I


wonder if there is a quiet acknowledgement you overplayed your


hand on that number and it has been ditched. There was a lot of talk


about taking back control. The annual dividend. Taking back control


is not the same as 350 being pulled out as a lie at times. 350 million


is our gross contribution to the EU. There is no doubt about that. If


they are so confident about it, why have we started getting different


figures in the last week. Why did we not hear it at all to night if you


are so confident? We have always talked about the gross and net. Once


we leave the EU, we get annually ten billion. The reason why those


figures are important, one is the amount we sent to Brussels and don't


see back. The other is the amount of descent to Brussels and they spend


on our behalf. We want it all back. You need people to explain the


difference between the net and the game. I think they have got it by


now. They need an expert voice. When you get your pay cheque every month,


you have your salary and then your take-home. I will ask you a


different thing, your campaign has, in the words of Michael Gove,


ditched the words of experts? We have had economists, Michael


Burridge has done important work on white freed up from the EU... You


are still an expert fan? A lot of people on your side saying, we are


done with experts, we don't believe them. I don't think lining up the


establishment and saying we have a roll call of experts on our side. We


can point to Sir Richard Dearlove, point to heads of the


counterterrorism branch at the net police who are on our side. We have


Sir Michael Rose, but that is not what people call about, a roll call


of names, it is about the evidence. It is the passion and the optimism


and what came out of this debate tonight, it is clearly on the side


of Leave. As you can see, there is still a few hurdles going on beehive


to me. This is when some of the politicians who were not in the


debate, they come and talk us through what they thing happened.


There is the pitter patter of tiny deadlines being written. Who knows,


at this stage, there are that many undecided minds in this country. If


there are, it is all to play for. We have two days.


Well, one of the biggest issues of the referendum campaign has been


It was raised as an issue in the BBC debate tonight.


Those who want to Brexit have brandished possible Turkish


membership of the EU as a reason to leave,


with claims that millions of Turks could migrate to the UK,


putting strains on communities and public services.


Those who want Remain have been at pains to stress that there is NO


chance of Turkey joining the EU in the near future.


David Cameron himself has said they won't join until the year 3000.


Earlier I spoke to Ilnur Cevik, the chief advisor


I began by asking him what he made of that claim by the Prime Minister.


We thought that Mr Cameron was our chief supporter for our quest


Turks felt the British were the driving force


behind our EU membership and that they were supporting


But the way Mr Cameron put it, he didn't believe anything,


apparently, in our full membership and he was only deceiving us.


While, the others at least were very frank, they said we don't want


The Germans said we will offer you another kind of partnership.


But the way Mr Cameron put it, we feel really, really taken in.


Because the way he's putting it, he says, they were never going to go


in anyway and we just said we will go along with them.


That kind of attitude really is deeply hurting the Turks.


What do you think of David Cameron's position now, having said he wanted


you in and now having said he sees little prospect of it?


As I said, we still feel he was taking us for a ride.


This kind of attitude is very, very insincere.


We felt that when we needed him, he was going to be there.


But now we feel that he was just saying, let me toy around with them,


But let's not be the bad guys to tell them they won't get in.


Do you believe in the David Cameron that wants you to join,


or do you believe in the David Cameron that


doesn't want you to join, which is it?


Well, to be frank, the way he's putting it, we don't think


The Leave campaign says that countries should be able


to control their borders, because mass migration puts a huge


strain on social services, health services, education services,


Britain is already controlling its borders.


Britain's borders are not uncontrollable.


There is a Visa restriction for Turks in Britain.


Even if the European Union lifted Turkey's Visa restrictions


through the Schengen agreement, still there is a British Visa,


so how can Turks enter Britain while the current Visa


The Leave campaign say one of their arguments


against Turkey joining, is because your crime rate is very


high, your level of gun ownership is very high and they say,


why should we give Turkey access to Britain in those circumstances?


Secondly, there's no extraordinary situation in this country


that we would export anything to Britain.


But, besides that, who's going to come to Britain?


Whatever exists in Britain, also exists in Turkey.


We're not going to go there just because you produce Cadbury's


chocolate and Maltesers, for god's sake.


Do you think Britain should leave the EU?


That's a choice for the British people.


If they want to leave the European Union, they should.


But they should not use us as an alibi.


They should really deal with the nitty-gritty on why


they should be leaving and they should not use us


Mr Cevik, thank you very much indeed.


Now, we bring you the antidote to tonight's stadium debate -


the decisions made quietly by people talking amongst themselves


in their own homes, discussing the issues in the pub


Katie Razzall has been listening, and watching, as campaigners


doggedly follow after every vote in a referendum which looks like


With two days to go, we set up in one of London's Royal horrors to try


to ascertain what is driving decision-making in the EU vote. You


can make a lot of new friends with some garden furniture, a bit of


linen, posters and a selfie stick. Because of him. You don't like David


Cameron? Which one do you prefer? That one. Which one do you want to


pick? Will you hold that? The question is straightforward, it


should we be in or out of the EU. But that question has apparently


split Britain down the middle. Which side do you trust? That is what we


as the people of Kingston upon Thames. How are you making the


decision? Who do you trust? I am an arrogant old man, I do what I want.


My dad did not fight in the war for this. How do you decide what is a


fact and what isn't? You listen carefully to what people are saying


and dismiss most of it. Even people like the governor of the Bank of


England? Well, he is Canadian, isn't he. Barack Obama came in and


expressed an opinion. And they know nothing. So you have been trusting


experts on the Remain side? Yes. If you have 90% plus of experts telling


you it makes sense to stay, then they know what they are talking


about. The polls are so close, every moment counts. We asked people on


both sides to wear a camera today and record the reaction. On the


streets of central London, this Leave campaigner got a mixed


reaction. Hello, are you going to vote? Are you going to vote? No. Why


not? Because we will miss out on so much. What will you miss out on?


Please. Out, great. It isn't easy. I haven't decide. But I think we will


remain in. There are still those whose minds he will not change.


Hello. I am from vote Leave. I have sent my vote by post. Who did you


vote for? The opposite. In this day and age, a little country going on


it's own is not feasible. I think it is better for the younger people.


What about tampon tax? I don't know about that. Do you know which way


you are voting... In north London, an area which should sit firmly in


the Remain, Samp Ovie is still finding people who are voting


Brexit. It looks like this is going to the wire. Do you know which way


you are voting? I can tell you explicitly, out, out, out. Stay out


and wish we had never come in. Have you decided which way you will vote?


Yes. Yes. Are you eligible to vote. Yes. What swayed you in favour of


staying in? It is the power and the money. Can you chat about the


referendum. I am voting out. Do you know which way you are voting? I am


in. The Visa, having to go abroad, the issue of getting new visas. The


uncertainty of people being taxed more. Do you know which way you are


voting in the referendum? Out. Why are you voting out? Hopefully there


will be more jobs for British people and look around you, where we are


standing now, you point to me ten richest people. For weeks and


months, the arguments have raged. At Kingston College, how are these


staff and students making up their minds? Have these people down here


influenced how you will vote? They are like a rough guide to people


making their decision. You take a little bit from everyone. It has


become a popularity contest. If we bowed out, there will be billions of


immigrants every week falling over our borders. If we leave, we will be


in a massive recession. It is scaremongering. It should be a


personal decision. Even though you should pay attention to the


statistics. Have you trusted anyone in this? Not really. I don't really


trust the politicians. And the experts or just the politicians?


They are all much of a muchness, in each other's pockets. If that is the


case, how will you decide? Speak to my dad. You trust him? I trust him.


Back on the street, one person who is out has gone to town. That is the


new EU flag. I made it myself. I don't know anyone who is not voting


out. I will take Nigel back, someone else might want him. Can I keep him.


With that he was off, neither he nor we have too long to wait now for the


outcome of this referendum. So how has the referendum


campaign been for you? Have you been dismayed by the nature


of the argument, or have you relished


the hand-to-hand combat? Project fear, on each side,


claim and counter claim, blunt warnings and intemperate


language, accusations What has the prosecution


of the campaign told us about the public discourse in


Britain and has it unearthed deep-seated divisions and


faultlines in our culture? Here with me, the writers


Howard Jacobson, Jack Monroe, and Dreda Say Mitchell


and the historian Robert Tombs. First let's talk about the conduct


of the campaign. Howard, you heard about scaremongering, what the woman


was saying about scaremongering on both sides, what do you think? I am


exhilarated by the campaign and depressed at the same time, you can


feel both. I very much as a Remainer, and I have been a person


who wanted to leave Europe forever. Every morning I left Europe until I


realised there was going to be a referendum and people were doing


this seriously. It's one thing to play at leaving but people were


serious, so I became a Remainer. Since then I've grown very depressed


by, more than anything else, the charge for people who want to leave


that the Remainers are scaremongering. I have not heard


any. They are saying you are about to take a leap in the dark, that's


frightening, be frightened of the unknown. There is a difference


between being frightened of the unknown and what the Brexiteers are


doing which is saying be frightened of other people. From your point of


view, Robert, as an historian, is there something particularly about


the whole binary nature of a referendum that brings out the


visceral hand-to-hand combat? And also the idea that it's going to be


a simple majority. It could just be 140 people. Let's hope not. What


strikes me about the campaign has been how little the establishment


has been listened to by a very large portion of the electorate. These


masses of people, the people who are supposed to be our leaders, have


been telling us over and over again, this is the way we must vote. It


reminds me of Victorian squires saying to their tenants you have to


vote for me all you will be evicted. And I think there has been a lot of


scaremongering. What about the kind of language, Dreda? For me it has


been a lot of scaremongering on both sides. I think with Remain it has


been more about economic. George Osborne, talk about an own goal,


saying house prices will drop. Most of the young people I know were


jumping in the air saying they might be able to get something. When I


watched what was going on, my perception was, because I did not


see much of Labour being involved, and as a left-wing Labour supporter


I was very disappointed about that. I just saw infighting among one


particular party. To tell you the truth and I've said this publicly, I


turned my television off and I went and try to educate myself via


Reading, talking to other people, and that's how I came to the


decision to actually leave. I was very disturbed by the type of public


campaign I saw on both sides. Jack, how has the campaign been for you?


What do you make of it? It's been insidious, xenophobic, terrifying.


It's been a lot of very noisy rhetoric from the same faces from


the same establishment figures. I would challenge claim that the


public are not listening to the establishment, I would say the


establishment are not listening to the public, and I do not see my


views represented anywhere, the views of my father, many of my


friends. I feel we've got the same bevy of people telling us what's


best for us and nobody is asking us. It is a very binary debate and it


does get heated. But it is the lies, dammed lies and statistics that have


really got me, how are people supposed to know how to vote when so


many people are distorting so many facts? I think what has happened, if


you go outside of London it is a very different picture. I live


outside of London! What has come to the surface for me is the divisions


among class. When you talk to a lot of working-class people they are


saying that they will vote for leave. What was interesting with the


referendum debate at Wembley was Frances O'Grady was saying I am


standing for workers, she is on the Remain side. A lot of the workers


are saying, you are not actually standing for us. The problem has


been that the Labour Party has been too much in the shadows. One of the


issues for the future is, where are working-class people going to vote?


When you've got the project fear followed by what Sadiq Khan said


today, calling it project hate, you've got the kind of language, is


it the language of the social media page? In this country we have a


proud tradition of vehemence debate. We are sarcastic, we love being rude


to one another. In the 19th century people used to watch pantomime


because they loved the violence. We've got great cartoonists. All


this is within our great tradition. What is different and I would not


put this down to our national character and not down to the effect


of social media is this assumption that everybody who doesn't think


what you think is a moron. And not only is he a moron, he's a liar.


This idea, the trouble with a binary debate, it's exactly in the spirit,


in or out. Whereas we all know that all the interesting things are


between those two funds, but we've got no opportunity here to do


anything but say in and out. Encouraged by the social media, we


now suppose that everybody who doesn't think what we think deserves


to die, really. Is this actually a reflection of a solid democracy?


Well I think it's going to leave rather a political hangover. It's


shown that there are divisions that we always knew were there, social


divisions, generational divisions, regional. But they have proved to be


rather deeper than we thought. It has shown a huge amount of distrust.


What worries me, whatever the result, people will be looking for


things to go wrong afterwards. And by the very nature of how the result


is counted, we are going to know geographically, demographically, how


this is panning out, and where the divisions like. And I think that is


an important thing to know. I think for too long when we talk about


politics it very much has been centred on London and the South and


Westminster. I think it was even interesting with Newsnight's


analysis of the debate just now, we were talking very much to


politicians. I thought to myself, why has there been no discussion?


Couldn't they have had a satellite in another part of the country


talking to people outside London? We have been doing that all last week,


we had a referendum truck around the country. For that particular debate


because it is such a key debate, it would have been an interesting


perspective to have. I think it is a good example of what we are not


doing sometimes. Jack, are you concerned that some of the divisions


this has exposed will remain? They will not be papered over on Friday?


Absolutely. And I think it will highlight what different people's


concerns are in a way that we probably don't have that information


at the moment. Because our politics seems so focused in the wrong


groups, in the wrong places. There are large swathes of people who feel


not represented, and that's how we have people like Nigel Farage, Trump


over in the States. That's how we have these blustering obsessively


nasty politicians getting their armies of people to listen to them


because they are people who feel like they are not being represented.


We've got a working-class revolution going on but they all seem to be


going in a rather dangerous direction. I think in a way the EU


provides an extra layer of a problem. All over the western world


and in the democratic world people are feeling unrepresented by


politicians. Then you have in the EU another layer which separates people


from politicians, where decisions are being made quite outside the


accountability and indeed the knowledge of the voters and that is


a big problem. How do you feel about the House of Lords, then? That's


another debate. How do you make your peace with your friends who take a


different view? My friends don't take a different view! They are very


quickly persuaded of the rightness of my point of view. And I don't


have any friends who say "I want my country back". I have a great deal


of sympathy for people who live in areas where they don't hear their


own language spoken. I'd think we should talk about racists the way we


do. Nonetheless, to hear people saying "I want my country back",


that's terrifying. It wasn't so long ago when we saw what people saying


that led to. This country has not been taken over, we are not


occupied, we have a distinct, vibrant country. We are ourselves,


we have nothing to fear about being taken over, it is a wicked language


and terrifying. If you are on the side of Leave and you end up being


lumped in with people who say "I want to take my country back". I


want the democracy back. But how does it sit with you, do you believe


that? What I believe is that democracy in Europe is under a lot


of pressure and the EU, which is what we are supposed to be talking


about, is making it worse and aggravating the situation. It has


really reached us yet and you could say this is not our problem, but if


you look around Europe there is a rise of populist parties of right


and left. I think Europe is heading for some sort of political crisis.


Dreda, you are in a position with some bedfellows you wouldn't


normally want as bedfellows, how comfortable do you feel about that?


To me it has never been the issue, the issue around the EU has never


been about the left and right debate, it goes right across the


parties. I think I'm in the tradition of the Labour Party from


the 1970s and 1980s with the big slogan get Britain out. That's where


I think I'm sitting. It's not a debate about personalities, it's


about the issues. Thank you all very much indeed. Vote well but just vote


once. That's all we have time for. Evan is back tomorrow for the last


day of the user what. Good night. Most of us go into the night drive


but by the morning rain again across parts of South West England through


towards the Midlands. From there towards Yorkshire and the Humber


where we could