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In two days' time, Great Britain will have a new Prime Minister. | :00:00. | :00:11. | |
Here is how it all began. The interests of our country are best | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
served by the immediate appointment of a strong and well supported Prime | :00:19. | :00:27. | |
Minister. BBC, anyone? OK. Robert Peston? It is clear Theresa May as | :00:28. | :00:35. | |
the overwhelming support of the Conservative Parliamentary party. I | :00:36. | :00:45. | |
am honoured and humbled to have been chosen by the Conservative body to | :00:46. | :00:46. | |
be its leader. With a full studio we ask | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
if the country can unite around Theresa May and what her premiership | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
will look like. Even by the crazy standards | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
of the new political age, A campaign launched mid-morning saw | :00:54. | :01:04. | |
the candidate heralded the next Theresa May had assumed | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
she was making her first speech In the end, she was the only | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
one left in the Tory leadership contest after | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
Andrea Leadsom quit the field. So how did we get to a place | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
where the Brexiteers won the battle so resoundingly but then | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
lost the race, not once, And what does it mean when a Remain | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
prime minister makes way for his long-standing Remain home | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
secretary after the biggest electoral upheaval the country | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
has seen for decades? There are plenty of questions to ask | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
tonight, and we devote the lion's share of this programme to asking | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
what the next few days, Before he head into the future | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
though, here's Nick Watt The Conservative Party thought it | :01:50. | :02:01. | |
might catch its breath today after a frantic period since the EU | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
referendum. Theresa May kicked off what was expected to be a two-month | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
campaign to win over Tory grassroots members while David Cameron made a | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
predictable visit to the opening day of the Farnborough airshow. In a two | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
definitive illustration of how a tweet now marks a long time in | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
politics, Theresa May found that by the time she had become Prime | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
Minister elect. Showing how quickly and brutally power can transfer in | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
Britain, David Cameron was put on notice to pack his bags by | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
Wednesday. To make way for the Home Secretary. She has the potential to | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
be a great by Minister for our country. I have seen her work on the | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
home of the select committee and on working through the investigatory | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
Powers Bill and she has the result, she had the skills and the | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
experience to make a great success of our country leaving Europe. This | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
was never about who we want to go down the pub with, it was about | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
having the right person with the right competent and experience and | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
professionalism and seriousness to be able to be by Minister at a | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
difficult time when we have real challenges ahead but also | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
opportunities if we can have the right person as PM and today we have | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
managed that. The Caravan sprang back into life again after | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
everybody's plans were thrown in the air when Andrea Leadsom announced | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
she was abandoning her bid for the premiership, the only Brexit support | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
the left in the race claiming her modest support among Tory MPs would | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
make it difficult for her to govern as Prime Minister. Allies said she | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
was the victim of hostile briefing. And therefore withdrawing from the | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
leadership election and I wish Theresa May the very greatest | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
success. I assure her of my full support. Thank you very much. I do | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
think there are people in the party that need to examine their own | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
consciences about how they behaved and they need to recognise that this | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
is not the way to treat colleagues. I hope they will reflect on that and | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
decide that maybe, just maybe, putting your country first rather | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
than your own personal ambitions is not a bad thing. In the interview | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
with The Times, Andrea has had a difficult few days, do you think | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
that played a part in her thinking? Obviously the whole saga around that | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
interview was relevant because it caused a media storm but what I | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
would point out, I don't think it had that big an effect on the | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
members, it did not stop calls coming in to be from people who were | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
enthusiastic about organising hustings on her behalf soap she | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
struck a real chord with members and is incredibly important that the new | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
government recognises the support and what she stood for and that it | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
is respected. A senior figure in Andrea Leadsom's Kemp told me she | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
walked straight into a trap laid by the Home Secretary's team -- camp. | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
In one of the most extra break is of this campaign, this person told me | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
the Home Secretary had deliberately talked last week and about her pain | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
of not having children so that journalists could be enticed into | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
asking Andrea Leadsom about her life as a mother. This person also told | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
me that the Theresa May campaign were planning a second round in | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
which the Home Secretary would talk about her battle against diabetes so | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
that journalists could once again be encouraged to ask Andrea Leadsom | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
about Theresa May's personal life. One senior Tory told Newsnight this | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
was a weird conspiracy. Other members of the Leadsom team felt it | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
was time to move on. The decision has been made and we have to be | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
common sense about this. One of the things with Andrea, she is straight | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
down the line and what is most important for the country is | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
stability. If she can suck that up, I can as well. Theresa May is our | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
girl now, Brexit means Brexit! -Ites aborted Theresa May because I | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
thought she could step into the role straightaway and could deliver the | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
negotiation that the people have voted for. We will have a new Prime | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
Minister... Today marked the end of the road for the David Cameron but | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
at least he managed to disprove Enoch Powell's famous saying that | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
all political careers end in tears. He walked through the door humming | :06:16. | :06:16. | |
HU. -- humming at Chungju. -- song. On Tuesday, David Cameron | :06:17. | :06:26. | |
will hold his last Cabinet meeting At 12pm on Wednesday, | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
David Cameron will hold his last Prime Minister's Questions | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
in the Commons, before he leaves to seek | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
an audience with the Queen. By Wednesday evening, Theresa May | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
will become Britain's second She's insisted she won't hold | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
an early election. Where to start? We saw the rapid and | :06:48. | :07:04. | |
brutal way in which power is transferred in this country but | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
interestingly, Theresa May has a 48-hour window for her first task, | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
the apartment of her Cabinet. The first employment with sheep -- she | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
will make is to refer to her promise where she would set up a Department | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
for Brexit with a Brexit secretary of state, and Chris Grayling, her | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
campaign manager, seems the obvious choice as he was a leading Brexit | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
campaigner, which would give Brexit supporters hope that her pledge | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
Brexit, means Brexit, but you will see a mixture of Brexit and | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
remainders. That is the beginning but then it changes. On Wednesday, | :07:44. | :07:51. | |
Barack Obama will visit her, the outgoing president congratulating an | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
incoming Prime Minister, nice present there is, but the phone call | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
with Angela Merkel might be tougher. Angela Merkel has said that she can | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
understand why David Cameron couldn't trigger the formal UK exit | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
from the EU but she said that the new prime ministers should do it. | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
Theresa May has said that it will not be in this calendar year, so | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
there may be some friction. She has two things in her favour, the Lisbon | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
Treaty says that the exiting country should notify the European Council, | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
and the next is not until October, three months away, and another | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
thing, Theresa May is seen in Brussels as a really tough and | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
credible negotiator. Thank you for joining us. | :08:36. | :08:36. | |
Theresa May pledged today that Brexit meant Brexit, | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
the bit of her speech that elicited the loudest cheers. | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
She's often called a soft Remainer, someone who could perhaps | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
So, what will her vision of Brexit look like? | :08:48. | :08:56. | |
Matthew Hancock has been a firm supporter of hers, | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
and has also worked closely with the Chancellor, George | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
Thank you for joining us. Many people don't think they know Theresa | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
May even know she has been at the centre of power for so long. Which | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
of these labels would apply to her? Is she a moderniser? What she is | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
aiming to do and made very clear in her speech this morning, which I | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
thought was terrific, is that she wants to bring unity to the party | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
and to the country. We've just had this referendum campaign, it was | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
clearly divisive and bringing people together, within the party and then, | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
perhaps more importantly, in the country as a whole, is what she | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
talked about. Is that a moderniser? I'm wondering whether she would | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
encourage Michael Gove's reforms in education, or prisons? I think she | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
is a unifying figure, that's what we've seen in the result of the | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
ballot of MPs, 199 MPs including meat supported her, more than half | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
of the parliamentary party, -- including me. She also has a very | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
strong sense of leadership. She clearly sets out what she believes | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
and then follows it, we've seen that at the Home Office and we saw it | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
with some of the clear direction. With the greatest respect, we heard | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
that from her today and we heard a lot about it in her speech, but we | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
are trying to get a sense from people who know her of what this | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
will look like. Would you call her somebody like Cameron, does she | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
believe in gay marriage, does she believe in the big society? Will she | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
follow that line in his thinking? Well, she supported equal marriage | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
and she was on the front page of the manifesto, the 2015 manifesto, so | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
clearly there is a lot to build on, in delivering the rest of the | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
manifesto but also an agenda and a vision that she set out today. | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
Making sure that the economy works for everyone, the thread of that | :11:03. | :11:10. | |
speech has been the thread of her leadership campaign. Interesting, | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
many people picked up echoes of Ed Miliband, the reference to the | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
predators, capitalism not working for everyone, the sense of getting | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
workers on board, being more accountable. Do you think that's | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
where she is placing herself? She is very clear that the good thing about | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
the last six years is that we have the economy recovering, getting the | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
deficit down, but we must make sure it works for everybody and reaches | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
the parts it hasn't reached. This is an important part of the agenda. Of | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
course you've got to support businesses to create the jobs that | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
people need but that doesn't mean you can't reform the way that the | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
economy works so that the wealth generation is spread more broadly | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
across the country. I think that is something she supports. You said | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
about supporting parts that others can't reach, you must be worried | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
about what this looks like to the rest of the country now, are you, in | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
terms of the solidity of her mandate? Well clearly the country is | :12:10. | :12:18. | |
calling out for some solidity and strength of leadership, that is the | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
strong sense I get, whether you talk to businesses, constituents, people | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
are looking for leadership in Britain. And will they say that this | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
is a leader who has been brought in by 199 MPs, that isn't 17 million | :12:31. | :12:40. | |
people voting for Brexit, is it? She is very clearly going to deliver | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
Brexit, Brexit means Brexit, as she has said. You understand my point, | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
essentially this radical, huge and people in British politics saw David | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
Cameron resigning because he was a Remain Prime Minister and in essence | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
they brought in the girl next door, his Home Secretary, a Remain Home | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
Secretary. Is that going to cause a problem and will you have to go to | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
the country for an election? No, we don't need a general election but we | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
need to listen to the concerns of some of the people who voted to | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
leave and make sure that they are addressed, that's all part of | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
unifying the country. But it needs strongly the ship and it needs that | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
unity and then it needs a bold vision of where the country goes -- | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
strongly needs leadership. Things like the amount of money that is | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
paid to international aid, that percentage of GDP, is that something | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
she would say that we've heard a lot of voices within the party and the | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
country saying we need to abolish it? That's clear in the manifesto. | :13:43. | :13:50. | |
What I think we are... What I would expect to see, building on what she | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
said today and what she's to MPs about, making sure that we | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
concentrate not just on wealth creation, but making sure everybody | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
can share a part of it -- talking to MPs about. So the manifesto first | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
and foremost, not a new Brexit manifesto? We have a parliamentary | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
democracy, we have a new Prime Minister who has the full support of | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
the Conservative Party, people who supported her, people who supported | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
other people in the leadership race, now all of them backing Theresa May | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
because she is clearly the best person for the job of Prime Minister | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
right now in a period where Britain needs some unity and strength of | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
leadership and I'm sure that's what she'll provide. Thank you for | :14:37. | :14:37. | |
joining us. Europe has breathed something | :14:38. | :14:38. | |
of a sigh of relief tonight that Britain has at least begun | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
to get its house in order. Theresa May is well known | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
as a negotiator in Brussels, seen as a commendably | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
tough nut after her six In that job, she fought | :14:48. | :14:49. | |
hard to deport foreign criminals from the UK but failed | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
to bring immigration In her first speech today, | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
she pledged to prioritise house building, narrow the gap | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
between employees and fat cats Her pitch was firmly centre ground, | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
some would say borrowing more than a few ideas from | :15:01. | :15:10. | |
the former Labour leaders. Today was supposed to be | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
the first in a series We are only going to get one now | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
but it was pretty striking. A proper industrial strategy | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
wouldn't automatically stop the sale But it should be capable of stepping | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
in to defend a sector that is as important | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
as pharmaceuticals to Britain. The FTSE, for example, | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
is trading at about the same level as it was 18 years ago and it's | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
nearly 10% below its high peak. Yet in the same period, | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
executive pay has more than trebled. So if I'm Prime Minister | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
we are going to change that system and that means having not just | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
consumers represented on company Some commentators were quite | :15:50. | :15:51. | |
surprised by that speech, seeing it as un-Tory, | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
somehow, but what has Theresa May has been Home Secretary | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
for so long that people have She was one of the original arch | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
modernisers, she supported Michael Portillo for leader back | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
in 2001 and in 2002 she gave a speech that has gone down | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
in Conservative Party folklore. Our base is too narrow and so, | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
occasionally, are our sympathies. I know that's unfair, | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
you know that's unfair but it is the people out | :16:19. | :16:30. | |
there we need to convince. What will Prime Minister May do | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
then? She doesn't do speeches for the sake | :16:33. | :16:34. | |
of making speeches. She actually, one of her virtues | :16:35. | :16:44. | |
is that when she said something If she is talking about corporate | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
reform in a leadership campaign that has now ended, she will want to do | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
that in government. As Home Secretary, she imposed | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
elected commissioners on the police shook up stop and search | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
and demanded changes from the Police Federation, | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
which acts as a union The Federation was created by an act | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
of Parliament and it can be reformed If you do not change | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
of your own accord, we will impose Some have read her fight | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
with the police as a sign Theresa took on the police | :17:18. | :17:26. | |
because she saw it as an unreformed area of public services | :17:27. | :17:37. | |
where she could build up some sort of anti-union credentials | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
but when it came to the security services and tackling terrorism, | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
she has always been I think you can see that in the way | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
she pushed for the Snoopers' Charter without even questioning | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
what the agencies wanted. There is a consensus among | :17:50. | :17:50. | |
people who have worked with her that she is a Tory public | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
service reformer, not a liberal. There is a lot going on in the big | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
public services, schools or at health or work and pensions | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
so we will probably What I think we will probably see | :18:02. | :18:03. | |
is there will be other areas of policy that she might | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
want to focus on with a lot We know that Michael Gove has been | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
doing a lot of interesting work in justice and that would be one | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
area I hope she would do. The mark against Theresa May for | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
many people is that she continually missed the 100,000 person a year | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
net immigration target. But she annoyed swathes | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
of government as she She was a very tough | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
negotiator, very tough. And the business department | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
in which I worked did not win all the arguments we would have | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
with the Home Office. This is part of why some | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
ministers say she is chilly. That and lots of journalists | :18:42. | :18:50. | |
dislike her absence from the usual Westminster old boys clubs | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
but Theresa May develops allies For example, she has a good rapport | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
with Bernard Cazeneuve, We can't say that much | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
about our new Prime Minister but Theresa May's instincts | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
are radical and her speech today suggests she is still serious | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
about reaching beyond the Tory base. Joining me now, Crispin Blunt, | :19:07. | :19:14. | |
who worked with May in his role as Justice Minister, | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
and Theresa May's good friend the former Tory Treasurer, | :19:18. | :19:18. | |
Lady Catherine Meyer. Thank you for coming in. I'm going | :19:19. | :19:29. | |
to start with you, Lady Catherine. You have known her for 12 years and | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
it was interesting hearing Chris sake we don't know much, we don't | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
know a woman who has been right at the heart of politics for ten years. | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
That is the person she is. People have a perception of her on the | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
outside but people don't know her privately and privately she is very | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
kind and caring person. I have known her for 12 years, professionally and | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
also as a friend and also professionally not only as a member | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
of the Tory party but as I run a charity to deal with missing and | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
abducted children and she has been quite amazing. She is a person who | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
really cares, she cares about children, about human issues. You | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
talk to her and she listens to you and there is a completely different | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
side to her. Do you think that side will have to come out now? We saw | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
her publish photos of her childhood and wedding and her parents for the | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
first time. Does she acknowledged she has to bridge the gap? Maybe it | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
is because it is what the media demands but I also admire her for | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
being so stomach. She is the person she is. She is different, she does | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
not wear her heart on her sleeve, she does not come out and do | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
television all the time. She does not need all this attention. She is | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
a hard-working woman who is loyal and direct and of course people need | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
to know her more but they need also to respect her, respect the calm | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
hard-working person she is to lead our country. This is the moment the | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
proverbial alien lands and says the bucket is won and they have | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
imploded. It cannot make sense, what has gone on -- Brexiteer Bubba. One | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
after leaders vanish or self-destruct. She | :21:20. | :21:28. | |
stepped into space by making it clear that she will deliver Brexit. | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
Given how businesslike she is and how focused she is on delivery, that | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
gives me confidence at somebody who supported the Leave campaign that | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
she will deliver it. You can happily waved goodbye? I voted Out, I have | :21:42. | :21:51. | |
been a Eurosceptic for 20 years but I think she is the right person. I | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
know Theresa and when she says she is going to do something, I should | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
not call her Theresa, I should call her the future Prime Minister but | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
when she said she would do something, she will do it. Do you | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
have a niggling sense she might have voted Out in her privacy? No because | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
she is a loyal person. The Prime Minister was In and she followed the | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
primary step. When we talk about the Cameron government or the Blair | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
government, we think of good friends who have known each other for years | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
but she does not have that support system. What you see is what you get | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
which is white your suggestion that she might have voted Out is | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
completely misreading her. She is very direct. She would see that is | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
completely wrong to do that and any suggestion that her supporters would | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
go off and vote for Michael Gove in order to get him in the final, she | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
had plenty of votes at her disposal and they could have run an operation | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
to get Michael Gove past Leadsom but she was crystal kit that was not to | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
happen. She was quite quiet in terms of how much of herself she put out | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
into the Remain campaign. She would have been carefully controlled. She | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
is the minister responsible for immigration which was not an issue | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
that the Remain campaign wanted to focus on so that is probably an | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
explanation about the management of the campaign. I just think that she | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
is a loyal person, very Eurosceptic she knows the EU, she will be a | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
fantastic negotiator for us. She is a Eurosceptic. So she only voted | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
remaining group out of loyalty? Because she is a pragmatist and she | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
looked at the facts and decided, also being a loyal person, that it | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
was better to stay in but I think she is very sceptical of the | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
European Union and this is what I would say to all Brexit people who | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
doubt her, there is no way when she says, Brexit is Brexit, she means | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
it. And I also wanted a sense that she could see the opportunities for | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
the UK outside the EU. And very quickly she easily got into that | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
territory. That is the outward, Brexit facing side but what about | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
domestically? Who is her set? Who is her sofa? I think that is wonderful, | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
where she is so different to the other prime ministers. Most of the | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
people who come into number ten, it is normal, they come in with their | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
set of friends. That is normal, you want to be surrounded by people you | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
can trust. But I believe that Theresa is very different to that. | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
She will come in and look pragmatically at who are the right | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
people, the people who can do the job, and she does not have a group | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
of friends to bring in with her. Would you agree? Completely. That is | :24:50. | :24:58. | |
what makes her different, she will take a businesslike assessment | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
people's abilities. It is white we thought she would find it difficult | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
in the leadership race because there were not an army of mates for her, | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
she had not created that personal group. And we should not be worried | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
about a woman who does not have an army of mates. They give very much. | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
-- thank you very much. So, the contest that would have been | :25:18. | :25:18. | |
determined by the vote of just 0.25% of the population was in the end | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
determined by a microscopic 0.00055% This, to answer the unrest | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
of 17 million voters complaining So how credible is it | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
to install, crown, a Remainer? And what do those in | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
the Brexit heartlands feel? In the end it was a race that was | :25:36. | :25:58. | |
never really run. The contenders for the Conservative leadership were | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
eliminated or resigned leaving Theresa May the winner. But how well | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
a Prime Minister in favour of Remain go down in Brexit heartlands like | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
Harlow in Essex? Did she went a lot of races? Dave owns the Greyhound | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
racing Stadium here and was a firm Leave supporter. He wanted Michael | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
Gove to be leader and believes he should have been let back into the | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
race. I would like to see Michael Gove reinstated and let the | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
Conservative Party vote. Why do you think it is important? There is a | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
lot of people out there who have joined the Conservative Party, I'm | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
not saying which the way they would have gone, but I think they have | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
then a trooper minister. -- true Prime Minister. Up the road at the | :26:48. | :26:56. | |
Cannon Brook Cull .com the chair of the local Conservative Association | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
says they have seen a big increase in members joining since the | :27:00. | :27:00. | |
referendum. -- Kallenberg golf club. I don't think she did a lot for the | :27:01. | :27:16. | |
Remain camp. Is that one of the reasons why you find her more | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
acceptable? I think it is more the experience she has. She is | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
compassionate and I think she will bring the party back together again. | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
But did the Tory Leave voters on the course agree? I don't think it | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
should be a walkover, you have not done anything and nobody has voted | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
for you and you have just stepped in. Do you think she might not | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
implement the full Brexit? I don't think she will, I think she must | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
have her own views and you will always try to put your own views in | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
front of other things. I think the Prime Minister might set the scene | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
but there are too many Cabinet ministers around, if she does stray | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
off the beaten track, they will correct. And you don't worry that | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
she might try to soften the impact of Brexit and sneakily get us back | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
in? There is no chance in hell that we will get a second referendum on | :28:14. | :28:20. | |
the European think it is done and dusted, finished. On Wednesday, | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
Theresa May tees off as PM. Most Brexiteers here seem willing to give | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
her a chance but only if she implement the policies they voted | :28:33. | :28:33. | |
for. The party expected the launch | :28:34. | :28:34. | |
of Angela Eagle's leadership bid But by lunchtime even she herself | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
was looking round the deserted room But the party knows it may | :28:39. | :28:46. | |
have to ready itself Talk us through the bit | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
that no one really saw. Pitied Paul Angela Eagle, she | :28:50. | :29:03. | |
launched her campaign and it was overshadowed by Andrea Leadsom's | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
decision to drop out of the Conservative leadership contest but | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
if they had been there, they would have seen that Angela Eagle had | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
quite a cross-section of support, Harriet Harman and those from the | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
left. Essentially Angela Eagle's message is that she is from the left | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
and she represents a change not of ideology but personnel, from | :29:24. | :29:25. | |
incompetence, to competence. This is what she said. Well I think we know | :29:26. | :29:33. | |
that to be the leader of the Labour Party you have to lead in Parliament | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
too. We've seen Jeremy not do that job. He's been hiding behind a door, | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
not talking to his members of Parliament. That's not leadership. | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
We need a leader who can take the confidence of the parliamentary | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
party with him, and he hasn't been able to do that. And what happens | :29:53. | :30:01. | |
now? The ballot is where things get complicated. There is a membership | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
of the executive committee which will decide whether Jeremy Corbyn | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
must do what Angela Eagle has done, get at least 51 signatures | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
supporting his candidacy. Jeremy Corbyn has some legal advice which | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
says he is automatically on the ballot because party walls talk | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
about how challengers need nominations but Iain McNicol, the | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
Labour Party general secretary says he has legal advice saying that all | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
candidates must be treated equally, meaning Corbyn must get 51 | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
signatures to be there. There will be eight Bush at the NEC meeting to | :30:35. | :30:42. | |
have a ballot to do it on secret -- there will be a push. There will be | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
members of the NEC who may be wary of putting their heads above the | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
parapet but if it is in private, they may go against Corbyn. Whatever | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
decision they make, it's going to be in the courts. We'll be watching | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
tomorrow. It is only Monday - | :30:57. | :30:58. | |
remind yourself of that - but by the middle of the week | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
the country will have Cameron's Conservatism will belong | :31:02. | :31:03. | |
to history and May's Britain will spell out how to begin divorce | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
from the EU and establish Britain's credentials with the | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
rest of the world. With us now, Francis Maude, Tessa | :31:10. | :31:11. | |
Jowell and perhaps Alex Salmond. We will see if he joins us. Nice to | :31:12. | :31:29. | |
have you here. The thing I have been aware of the day, without realising | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
it, is that the whispering has gone, the Conservative whispering has | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
pretty much gone now. Do you think this was blood-letting? Do you think | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
they have got their loyalty back after this? We are generally quite | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
good at that. It wasn't so good after Thatcher left because she cast | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
a very long shadow and the circumstances of her being, as it | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
were, the Venice traded, were quite brutal, it was quite quick and it | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
took time for the wounds to heal -- as it were, thrown out of the | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
window. This is a different event, events coming around in a different | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
way. I wonder if it looks to you, you can see the mess that Labour is | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
in, there is something so brutal about the way the Tories do this | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
stuff, but they get back into power, that's how it happens. Well, members | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
of the Labour Party, members of Parliament are absolutely hating | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
this. I think it's impossible to describe the depths of despair that | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
a lot of members of Parliament feel. This being the Corbyn row? Jeremy | :32:39. | :32:47. | |
Corbett insisting on staying on, you know, not engaging with the peace | :32:48. | :32:55. | |
talks or the withdrawal talks, transition talks with Tom Watson, | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
insisting on staying when 80% of the parliamentary party have lost | :33:02. | :33:04. | |
confidence in him. It's a terrible place to be. I mean, whatever else | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
it is, it is the height of selfishness. It is absolutely the | :33:11. | :33:19. | |
case that we now have a party of about 600,000 people, but the only | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
purpose of a political party is to build a road to power. Because the | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
Labour Party in government can transform this country for the | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
better, transform people's lives in ways that they can't do on their | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
own. So the Tories have a free rein in power, for the foreseeable | :33:39. | :33:45. | |
future? And I hope that it will be that. I think you are wrapping up | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
far too many long-term generalisations in that. The Labour | :33:50. | :33:57. | |
Party has to get itself back to the left of centre progressive grounds | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
that represents the consensus of politics in this country, reach out | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
to those communities who feel they have been underrepresented and | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
forgotten. I think it's very clear what could be done quickly by a | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
government that recognised that it really mattered. Is Theresa May | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
correct to rule out a general election when there will be this | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
Gordon Brown like shadow hanging over her, giving her a smaller | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
mandate? It is different circumstances because everyone knew | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
that Tony Blair was not going to do the entire term, the timing wasn't | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
planned but everyone knew that there would be a succession from Tony, to | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
Gordon Brown. This is quite different. There is an urgent set of | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
issues to deal with. Thank God we don't have to go through nine weeks | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
of a leadership election, we can get a new Prime Minister quickly, that's | :34:53. | :34:55. | |
great, but to say that we can't do anything until an election, that | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
would be really bad. To pick up your point about whether the | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
Conservatives have free rein, absolutely not. We went through, 15 | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
years ago, a period when Tony Blair was winning elections. Who is | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
holding you to account now? We will be held to account in many different | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
ways. It probably felt, when we were a very diminished while ari force | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
after the 97 and 2001 elections after Labour wasn't held to account | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
-- diminished parliamentary force. The interesting thing is that | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
Theresa May was one of the first to see that actually the Conservative | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
Party needed to change in order to be able to appeal, much more widely. | :35:39. | :35:46. | |
Some of that may be beyond your control. She saw it before David | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
Cameron, who then embodied it and lead the Conservative Party to be | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
much more broad, to appeal much more widely, geographically and socially | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
and ethnically, to have much more appeal to women than we had done. | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
Theresa was there before David. Do you think there is a chance, this is | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
Alex Salmond's point, that she could be the last Prime Minister of the | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
United Kingdom? Well, let me unpick the question. I think I would | :36:14. | :36:21. | |
disagree with Francis. I think a Prime Minister needs to have their | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
own mandate and therefore the question about a general election is | :36:26. | :36:33. | |
a question about timing. Not that I'm advising her, but I think there | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
is so much uncertainty about the content, the terms of the Brexit | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
negotiations, I think she should have a general election, once it is | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
clearer. It would be good for those in the centre of Labour, wouldn't | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
it? I think it absolutely worth, and it would be a good as -- it would be | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
good as a way of answering questions many people in the country have, now | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
they realise the scale of the uncertainty. That merges into having | :37:02. | :37:08. | |
a rerun, not liking the result of the referendum, therefore we are we | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
running it. It would be incredibly dangerous for democracy if we see | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
what we have seen elsewhere in the EU, you get a result in a referendum | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
that you don't like, so you go back again and again. You can't have | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
that. You have to provide more certainty than the inner and out | :37:29. | :37:35. | |
vote provides. We already seeing consequences of the votes that were | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
anticipated in the campaign. You know, I was undeclared, I took no | :37:41. | :37:47. | |
part in this,... How did you do that? Very easily, and I'm happy | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
that I did because I thought that both sides were making very | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
overblown campaigns. The Leave campaign were claiming things that | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
were inconsistent and the Remain were making claims of doom and | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
gloom... The last 48-hour is of David Cameron, I wonder how you will | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
both see his premiership? One that ended in tears or one that didn't? | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
Sadly, this is going to colour it a lot and that's a sad way for it to | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
end because he's been a very good leader of the party and the country. | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
He has always conveyed a sense that he's of speaking to the country, of | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
rising to the big occasions. There has never been a time, just as I | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
would say, as someone who always thought of Tony Blair as someone who | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
was able to represent the country, someone where you saw him... The | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
centre ground, in some way. Hearing Theresa May's speech, that was tanks | :38:47. | :38:56. | |
parked firmly on Ed Miliband... Yes, and her strapline could have been | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
from a speech by Ed Miliband or manifesto. That makes the point, the | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
political centre of gravity is just that. It is the centre ground. David | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
Cameron wanted to occupy that space in the way that Tony Blair did. | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
That's why the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, understanding that he is | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
trying to take the Labour Party in a direction that the people of this | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
country will reject, is so wrong and that is why he should stand down. I | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
think Angela has shown great courage in being prepared to take the fight. | :39:36. | :39:43. | |
You probably know in your heart of hearts that she is no more likely to | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
become Prime Minister than Corbyn is. Listen, we're in a time of great | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
uncertainty. Was that a yes or no? Let's see. We should get out of the | :39:54. | :40:01. | |
prediction business, actually! I was going to ask you, looking at 2016. | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
There are not these kinds of certainties and the nature of | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
politics is so dynamic and changing. What people want from politicians is | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
changing. I think if anything must change, it is the elite showing more | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
humility, and becoming more activist. The most commonly heard | :40:21. | :40:27. | |
words over the last couple of weeks, "Haven't you heard, it's all | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
changed". Or a four letter expletives! Thank you for joining | :40:32. | :40:32. | |
us. Well, that's all we have time | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
for tonight, but what David Cameron was heard whistling | :40:36. | :40:37. | |
a tune under his breath that no one He was worried the door wouldn't be | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
opened for him if staff didn't On that note, we leave you with some | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
of the images of the Cameron premiership you might remember, | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
and some he'll wish you'd forgotten. MUSIC: "I Know It's | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
Over" - The Smiths. Taking a risk, having a punt, | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
having a go, that pumps me up! So we will have a new Prime Minister | :41:01. | :41:22. | |
in that building behind me A week is a long time in politics | :41:23. | :42:01. | |
and the weather is pretty interesting as well. Sunshine and | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
showers but no two days the same. | :42:05. | :42:07. |