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Are the Dallas police killings the latest manifestation | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
of a racial divide in America, which is getting worse, not better? | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
As unease grows across America, the city's police have started | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
The suspect said he was upset at white people. | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
Tonight, live from Dallas, the mother of an unarmed young man | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
shot by Dallas police in 2013, and a minister who spoke | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
at the protest before last night's shootings and the Chair | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
of the National Black Police Association. | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
ANNOUNCER: Big welcome for Jeremy Corbyn. | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
Also tonight, will the Labour leader be happy with the results | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
Jeremy Corbyn has campaigned all his adult life for unilateral | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
nuclear disarmament, but Newsnight has learned that | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
a Labour defence review leaves the door open for the possible | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
retention of nuclear weapons by a future Labour government. | :01:02. | :01:11. | |
Norman? Send in the Chancellor. Yes leader. | :01:12. | :01:21. | |
The next Prime Minister is being viewed through the prism | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
of the Iron Lady, so what's the verdict | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
I find I'm driven inevitably to support Andrea Leadsom, despite her | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
lack of experience. And on Artsnight - Bowie, | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
Bedlam and the great outdoors. Maria Balshaw of The Whitworth | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
in Manchester on the The murder of five police officers | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
in Dallas during a protest sparked by the killing of two | :01:39. | :01:54. | |
African American men by police in Minnesota and Louisiana, | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
has compounded the twin problems of guns and racial tension that | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
are besetting America. President Obama said that the police | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
deaths were a wrenching reminder of the sacrifices the police make, | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
and before the shootings, he had expressed solidarity | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
with the protesters after the most Obama has said repeatedly | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
that his failure to pass what he called "common sense gun | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
safety laws" is the greatest But perhaps too, his failure to turn | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
into reality the now seemingly impossible dream | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
of a "post-racial" America. We'll hear the story | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
of the day in a moment. But first, joining us from Dallas, | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
is Malik Aziz, who is a Dallas police officer and also chair | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
of the National Black Police First tonight, can you tell me, what | :02:38. | :02:51. | |
is the atmosphere in Dallas today? I can tell you from a couple of | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
perspectives. Our hearts are very heavy here in Dallas. Our | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
condolences, thoughts and prayers are going down to the five officers | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
that were lost here last night. But the atmosphere is very sombre. The | :03:06. | :03:14. | |
outreach of love and support from citizens here, and from our friends | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
around the world and across the United States, they have given us so | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
much love to prop us up at such a traumatic time and a time of need. | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
So the atmosphere is very sombre. In my 27 years in law enforcement I | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
have never had a day like this where I have felt this way, the worst day | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
of my career, and many others who have been here way longer than I | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
have. Of the wounded, are any office is critical, or does it look like | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
they will all pull through? I believe, and we pray, that the worst | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
has passed, and we will not lose another officer. That's what we are | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
praying. I think we will make it over that hump. With the love and | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
support and prayers of people around the world, I think we can do that. | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
It's still tragic to lose five of the most talented officers who were | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
very courageous. I would want your viewers to know that in the face of | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
danger, when people were running away, our job and responsibility, | :04:24. | :04:31. | |
our call to duty caused those officers to run into harm's way. | :04:32. | :04:41. | |
This mad coward who decided to take the lives of some of our best and | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
finest. You talk about a gunman in the singular. Earlier there were | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
more suspects. Have you settled that this was certainly a man acting | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
alone now? The Dallas police have been very thorough. We believe we | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
have one of the best investigative entities in the nation and across | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
the world. They have taken, through great pain, they have turned over | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
every stone, looked under every rock and in every crevice, and we believe | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
when the chief police comes out to make a statement, we are sure he | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
confirm it was a loan madman acting alone, on himself. But we act with | :05:27. | :05:35. | |
due diligence, and if we make an arrest and detain anyone, it's for | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
the betterment of the city, for a safer environment in where we live, | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
work and play. We'll get to the bottom of it. We want to make sure | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
that all that happened was that he was alone, and we will not stop | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
until we find out everything we need to know. In a moment we will speak | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
to Collette Flanagan, one of the founders of Mothers Against Police | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
Brutality. Her son was shot by police in 2013. I understand you | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
have changed your policing model in Dallas. What has changed? Under | :06:10. | :06:17. | |
chief Brown we have always had a commitment to community engagement. | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
Many people have a belief that police across the world is | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
monolithic. It's 800,000 police here, and 18,000 police departments. | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
Dallas is just one of them. We are not without our troubles and errors. | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
We are not without some form of challenge or barrier. Unfortunately | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
we can't do everything 100%, but we strive to. There have been things | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
along the way. But community policing and community engagement, | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
every chief has expanded on that to make it better. I believe our | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
current chief, David Brown, has done an exceptional job in compound in | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
this and making it better and in gauging with the community. That | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
takes growth, a partnership, and police and community working | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
together. -- engaging with the community. Sometimes we might | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
disagree, but we do not want to stand still. We have to do is put | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
our best foot forward. My condolences go out to the families | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
whose sons and daughters here and across the nation have been killed | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
in officer involved shootings. We would not have hearts or compassion | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
if we did not say that. We have to understand that in the Dallas police | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
we strive for a more professional model. But we are not without our | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
faults. Thank you very much for joining us. | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
Well, here's Secunder Karmani on the how the day's event's unfolded. | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
It started as one more protest against yet more police shootings of | :07:52. | :08:06. | |
black men in America. Go, go! It descended into terror as shots rang | :08:07. | :08:16. | |
out. Get back! Protesters ran in fear for their lives. This seemed a | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
coordinated attack. And it had a clear target, the police. Just | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
started shooting, all the police, I saw them bending over. There were | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
five or six cops all getting shot down. A total of five officers were | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
killed and seven others were injured. Here you see the desperate | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
efforts by some to care for their wounded colleagues. One of the | :08:46. | :08:53. | |
gunman fires at officers from behind a pillar. Moments later in seems to | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
graphic to show, he shoots a policeman at point-blank range. Two | :08:58. | :09:05. | |
suspects were arrested following a police chase, and a third was | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
detained elsewhere in the city. Another, who had been holed up in a | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
car park with a stand-off with police was killed after they | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
detonated a bomb they sent in with a robot. He has been named locally as | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
Micah Johnson, a former US Army reserve. Before being killed he | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
spoke to police negotiators about his motivation. The suspect said he | :09:29. | :09:36. | |
was upset about black lives matter. He said he was upset about the | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
officers. He was trying to get out his ID, his wallet out his pocket, | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
and he let the officer know that he was... He had a firearm but was | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
reaching for his wallet. And the officer just shot him in his arm. | :10:03. | :10:11. | |
This is one of the shocking police shootings he was referring to. On | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
Wednesday, a woman in Minnesota broadcast live on Facebook moments | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
after her boyfriend was shot by police. Oh my God, please don't tell | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
me he's dead. Please don't tell me my brief and just went like that. | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
Yes, I will keep my hands where they are. The video caused outrage. | :10:30. | :10:38. | |
Despite her boyfriend's injuries, the woman is handcuffed and detained | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
but continues to stream live. Her boyfriend's death was the 507th at | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
the hands of police in America this year. 123 of whom were black. | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
Earlier this week a man in Louisiana was also shot by police, despite | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
apparently being held down. The publicised spate of police killings | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
by black men, many recorded on camera beginning in 2014 lead to a | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
newly energised black rights movement. Now some armed groups have | :11:13. | :11:21. | |
gone completely legally bringing weapons to protests, they say in | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
order to protect themselves. This is the Newton gun club in Dallas, | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
filmed earlier this year for a BBC documentary. They were at the | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
protest last night but say they were not connected to the shooting at | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
all. Dallas is grieving tonight. The question is, our events there the | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
beginning of more violence? Most say no, but race elections will be | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
affected. What I feel has changed in America in the relationship between | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
police and the African-American community, I feel like it's made | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
things worse. Part of the reason why the police chief in Dallas kept | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
saying, we need to find a way to come together and end divisiveness, | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
is because this adds to divisiveness. Because this shooter | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
happened to the African-American, people won't look at this as being | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
one horrible individual who did a terrible thing, it will become an | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
indictment on the Black Lives Matter movement, and people will accuse the | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
movement of doing it, when amusement had nothing to do with this | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
individual. For America's law enforcement, this has been the sing | :12:35. | :12:42. | |
single largest loss of life since 9/11. It feeds into issues of race | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
and gun control, both issues America has long grappled with. | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
Joining me now from downtown Dallas is Reverend Michael Waters, | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
who spoke at yesterday's protest and witnessed the shootings. | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
And Collette Flanagan, a founder of Mothers Against Police Brutality, | :12:58. | :12:59. | |
whose own son was shot dead by Dallas police | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
Good evening to both of you. I wonder if you heard our reporter | :13:02. | :13:14. | |
there, Michael, talking about the possible deterioration in race | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
relations. I wonder what your job has been like today as a minister. | :13:18. | :13:24. | |
Part of my job today has been to paint a picture of what transpired | :13:25. | :13:31. | |
last night in totality. What began as a beautiful movement for Justice, | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
representative of all ethnicities, genders and background, once it had | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
been dismissed was met with violence by somebody who was not a | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
participant at a gathering. I wanted to share with the world that it was | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
a beautiful night, a just night, a night of peace and collaboration | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
between police officers and those coming for the rally and for the | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
march. I want to let the world know we are grieving and hurting even | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
more so than when we came together last night. Collette Flanagan, I | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
know you were not actually at the demonstration last night, but as a | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
founder of Mothers Against Police Brutality, let me take you back to | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
the events of Minnesota and Louisiana and say that they must | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
bring terrible reminders of your own son's death. | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
I am sorry, I could not understand the last part of that. I said people | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
were out in protest last night because of the recent killings in | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
Louisiana and Minnesota. They must have brought back memories of your | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
own son's death. Absolutely. To lose a child is devastating, especially | :14:49. | :14:58. | |
when you lose a child to police brutality. My thoughts were with the | :14:59. | :15:09. | |
families that lost their children. Yes, it raises lots of emotions. | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
Tell me, in your view, is there the same level of Justice in America now | :15:16. | :15:25. | |
for black members of the American community and white members? Is the | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
level of justice the same, as far as you are concerned? Absolutely not. | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
We know that a black man, executed or killed more than white | :15:40. | :15:48. | |
counterparts by policemen. There are statistics that prove that. For | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
instance, in Dallas alone, there have been over 60 families that have | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
lost children through police brutality in the last ten years. The | :15:58. | :16:07. | |
last time a policeman was indicted for shooting an unarmed and mentally | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
ill person in Dallas was 1973, when Richard Nixon was president. There | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
is definitely an injustice with senseless police killings in Dallas. | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
It is the untold story that is waiting to be told. Michael, I | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
wonder what your view is on the disparity of justice. This is a | :16:30. | :16:38. | |
historical disparity and it covers the totality of the African- | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
American experience. There is a wealth disparity, a health discount | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
that is not the disparity, an educational disparity and a justice | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
disparity. All of this adds up and oftentimes comes to boiling points, | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
such as BC in America today. We have never fully address the issue of | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
America's greatest and original saying, the issue of racism and how | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
it has manifested itself throughout the totality of our society. I | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
suggest you would think that was compounded by the lack of gun | :17:20. | :17:27. | |
control. Well, we know that a black man carrying a gun is oftentimes | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
treated differently than a white man ( a gun. It causes you to question | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
the validity of that law. -- carrying. Are the rights extended | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
for all or for some? Time and again, we have borne the very painful | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
witness that many of the laws in this country are not all but | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
constructed for some. I want to put it to you that Barack Obama has said | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
his great frustration is his failure to have dealt with guns in America. | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
Do you believe it is a failure of his? I am sorry, I could not hear | :18:06. | :18:13. | |
the last part. Do you believe that Barack Obama believes that he has | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
failed to deal with guns in America? It has been one of his big failures, | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
he says. Absolutely. That is a huge problem in America. We have not | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
figured out how to exercise our second amendment with keeping | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
everyone's Civil Liberties and civil rights intact. Just like in police | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
departments, we have to have data on who is getting guns and who should | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
not have guns. We have to have data, how many people have been killed by | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
policemen. We have 18,000 police also is. We live in a nation where | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
we can tell you how money people have blue eyes but we have no | :18:59. | :19:07. | |
database to tell you how many people have been killed by policemen. We | :19:08. | :19:15. | |
have to have gun control and police brutality and registration and | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
writing legislation for police brutality. We needed on a federal | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
level. Thank you both for joining us tonight. Thank you. | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
In just over a week's time David Cameron is expected to call | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
a vote on the renewal of Britain's nuclear deterrent, and when he does | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
it will put Jeremy Corbyn, himself ardently anti-Trident, | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
He will be in collision, not only with many Labour | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
MPs, but also with some of the trade unions. | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
And, as our Political Editor Nick Watt reveals, | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
the much-vaunted Labour Review on Nuclear Weapons, spearheaded | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
by Emily Thornberry, may not be going to go his way either. | :19:54. | :20:07. | |
In a month's time, Jeremy Corbyn will be marking the 71st anniversary | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. Last year, at the height of Corbyn- | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
mania during the Labour leadership contest, he came to the Washington | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
Memorial in the Central London Square to highlight his lifelong | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
opposition to nuclear weapons. That is why we are going to be here, | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
every year, for as long as it takes to bring about our dream, our | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
collective dream, the world free of nuclear weapons. Thank you very | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
much. Many Labour members who voted for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
leadership contest felt that his presence, like the Hiroshima | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
memorial, and the language used in the rally, guaranteed and no ifs, no | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
buts approach to unilateral disarmament. Newsnight has learned | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
that the Labour defence review under his leadership will leave the door | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
open to a continuing UK nuclear deterrent. I understand that the | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
review into the future of the UK passed back nuclear weapons system | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
is still a work in progress and will need to be refreshed after the EU | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
referendum result. It has at its heart five tests a future Labour | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
government would evaluate to decide whether to support continuing | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
nuclear deterrent. The five tests ask whether the nuclear deterrent | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
would make a demonstrable contribution to the friends of the | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
UK, whether it would represent value for money, have an impact on jobs | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
and development, whether it would make a contribution to multilateral | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
disarmament and stand the test of time in the face of new | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
technologies. Newsnight understands that Jeremy Corbyn believes that the | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
report could provide a middle way between outright disarmament and | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
maintaining a full-scale nuclear weapons system. Under this thinking, | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
the UK could fulfil its new treaty obligations to take active steps | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
towards disarmament by allowing Trident to run its course or by | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
reducing the number of submarines and warheads. I know CNC supporters | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
have huge respect for Jeremy Corbyn and they know his personal | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
commitment. -- CND. They will appreciate the challenges he has | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
faced in bringing the rest of his parliamentary party with him put I | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
do think there will be disappointed in a defensively that raises more | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
questions than it answers. It means you cannot look at the Labour Party | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
led by Jeremy Corbyn and be sure it will be standing for unilateral | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
nuclear disarmament, which is what he promised. One long-standing | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
Labour ally in the campaign for nuclear disarmament is relaxed about | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
the tests in a bid to abandon the nuclear deterrent. I have my own | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
view about the tests. People, not only CND members, that people who | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
look objectively at the situation Britain is in its requirements for | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
defence, the economic resources it has available, my view is that | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
people would be inclined to think it was not good value for money. A | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
halfway house option which could see a Labour government under Jeremy | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
Corbyn retaining a reduced programme as a first step towards his lifelong | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
goal of ridding Britain of its nuclear weapons would naturally be | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
unacceptable to CND. I think there are very compelling reasons why we | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
do not need to have nuclear weapons. They are unusable, they are weapons | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
of mass destruction, they are very expensive. They do not meet our | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
security needs. Having less of them, OK, maybe that is a step forward. | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
Still we have less of something we do not need. Really we have to have | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
nothing of what we do not need. Labour supporters of the nuclear | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
deterrent believe the entire defence review is redundant anyway. I do not | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
see how all of these studies take the argument forward at all. If the | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
potential future Prime Minister has already decided he will never use | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
these weapons, he does not believe in nuclear deterrence. You may as | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
well not have any nuclear weapons at all. Until that fundamental | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
conundrum is resolved, I think the study probably does not add up to a | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
row of beans. In a few weeks' time, Jeremy Corbyn is expected to retrace | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
his steps to the Hiroshima memorial with the burden of leadership and | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
the need to broker an agreement in his divided party. His language | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
issue is likely to be less clear-cut. | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
Tata Steel has postponed plans to sell some of its UK operations - | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
According to the Business Secretary the decision by the UK to leave | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
the EU has added a fresh layer of uncertainty for | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
However Tata also said they are in early talks | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
with Thyssen Krupp, a big European steel manufacturer | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
about the possibility of a joint venture. | :25:14. | :25:14. | |
I'm joined by our business editor, Helen Thomas. | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
Helen, remind us of how we got here. This has been dragging on for three | :25:21. | :25:29. | |
long months. Tata Steel said it wanted to sell its UK business. It | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
was making considerable losses. What they are saying now is they want to | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
sell some parts of it. Certain businesses in Hartlepool and | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
Yorkshire. They are talking to a big German company about the joint | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
venture. Now, the vote to leave the EU added a whole layer of extra | :25:49. | :25:56. | |
questions about this business. I am told the sales process had ground to | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
a halt. The bits that Tata steel got just came at too high a cost to the | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
company and they decided to go down this all turn to fruit. What does | :26:08. | :26:15. | |
this mean for the workforce? -- all turn it if route. The workforce has | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
little clarity today, as yesterday. What I'm confident of is that Tata | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
is doing everything it can, we are providing all | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
the support we can. I'm actually encouraged by this news | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
today that they are talking to a partner and thinking | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
about forming this joint venture because I think having another | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
option is just the kind of news In a narrow sense, this is good | :26:38. | :26:47. | |
news. Tata has not walked away from this raises some other questions. It | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
is widely thought by analyst investors that the German company | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
would rather get out of European steel-making altogether and focus on | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
other countries. They have been very vocal about the need for | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
consolidation on European steel. They say it is too big for the end | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
demand. That suggests that any combination could still mean | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
cost-cutting, still mean job losses. The aim would be to create a bigger, | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
more profitable company that ultimately would be easier to sell. | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
I think this is progress in a small way but there are obstacles to doing | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
this deal and I have been told tonight that separating, or | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
overhauling, the pension fund attached to the Tata steel business | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
is a prerequisite. And the Government has two figure that out. | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
The new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
is going to be a women, that much is clear. | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
To judge by the newspaper headlines she'll be measured against Margaret | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
Now newspaper headlines are by nature reductive, but really? | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
Is it because she'll be taking on the European Union OR, | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
is it because the Conservatives, despite John Major, William Hague, | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
Iain Duncan Smith, Michael Howard and David Cameron still can't see | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
past Margaret Thatcher, or imagine another female model? | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
Well, this evening we spoke to Lord Tebbit, who was one | :28:08. | :28:09. | |
of Mrs Thatcher's closest allies in government and one | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
of the most assiduous keepers of the Thatcherite flame. | :28:13. | :28:14. | |
What does he make of the comparisons? | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
Andrea Leadsom is more of an unknown quantity. | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
She's relatively inexperienced as a politician and as a minister | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
but she seems to have about her qualities, | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
some of the qualities, which Thatcher had. | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
Thatcher was, of course, marked by being Middle England, | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
middle-class, shopkeeper's daughter, devout nonconformist Christian, | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
Leadsom has a couple of those advantages at any rate. | :28:47. | :28:57. | |
I find that I'm driven inevitably to support Andrea Leadsom, | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
She will have a lot of good people round about her, | :29:02. | :29:08. | |
not fellow politicians alone, but the civil service. | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
From my time in government, I have the civil service in high regard. | :29:14. | :29:20. | |
Lord Tebbitt had less complimentary words | :29:21. | :29:21. | |
I don't see the fact that Theresa May has been in one | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
department for a long time is particularly relevant. | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
What would be more relevant would be if she had been | :29:35. | :29:36. | |
If the police were firmly on the side of the Government, | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
and if we had got immigration down to the target which she was | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
But we're way, way, way away from that. | :29:49. | :30:04. | |
Norman Tebbit there with his views on the current state | :30:05. | :30:06. | |
An extraordinary headline in the Times. Being a mother gives me the | :30:07. | :30:17. | |
edge on Theresa May. Generally I feel being a man means you have very | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
real stake in the future of the country, a tangible state. Andrea | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
Leadsom has responded saying, truly appalling and the exact opposite of | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
what I said. I am disgusted is what she said. Now, straight to Arts | :30:31. | :30:37. | |
night. London, Edinburgh, Bristol and York | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
all five for the price. | :30:42. | :30:54. |