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A week in office, and looking strong on the world stage.

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We should strive for a solution which respects the decision

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of British voters, but also respects the interests of our

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Theresa May, a week in office, looking strong in the Commons.

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In my years in this house, I've long heard the Labour Party

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asking what the Conservative Party does for women.

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It just keeps making us Prime Minister!

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A week in office, and very much in power.

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No one doubts it's been a good start.

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But we're getting the first hints of policy now, and plenty

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We'll ask if it's likely to be plain sailing from here on out.

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While the government says it's confident the trouble is over,

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We've got a water cannon here in case presumably

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of crowd disturbances, and they've also brought dozens

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And why there are fewer songs in the Top 40 these days.

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When John Major came to power back in 1990,

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uniting a divided Tory party, his MPs cheered wildly.

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A fresh face, able to rise above the splits of the past.

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Until they weren't, a year or two later.

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Well, let's take stock of where Theresa May stands

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Everyone in the Tory party is happy, and many beyond it too.

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When she arrived in Germany this afternoon, the optics -

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to use a ghastly spinmeister word - the impression left by her

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and Angela Merkel together was undeniably one of calm authority.

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And her first outing at Prime Minister's Questions

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earlier today played to brilliant reviews as well.

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We knew she could be brutal - from the way she sacked

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But did we know she could adopt a Thatcherite wit?

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I suspect that there are many members on the opposition benches

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who might be familiar with an unscrupulous boss.

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A boss who doesn't listen to his workers.

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A boss who requires some of his workers to

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And maybe even a boss who exploits the rules to further his own career.

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Labour MPs on occasion literally had head in hands.

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Well, it's a good time to look for hints of

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The migration target, which we are not in line to hit.

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Is it possible that the Europe split in the Tory party has not been

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We've now moved the argument from membership, to one about

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Will the Prime Minister make my day special by saying she is prepared

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to reject staying in the single regulated market and offering

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instead to our friends in Europe a free trade deal very much

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The Prime Minister evidently wanted to stall on answering that -

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a traditional way of kicking the can down the road

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We'll get more from Berlin shortly, but let's talk

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to two of our top team, Nick Watt and Chris Cook.

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What was your take on PMQs? It was a strong performance. She was

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authoritative, told the odd joke, and delivered a pretty good put-down

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to Jeremy Corbyn when he walked into a trap talking about insecure

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workers. Even George Osborne, sacked by Theresa May last week, sitting a

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few rows behind, was laughing and acknowledging the strong

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performance. To put it diplomatically, Corbyn was outshone

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by Theresa May, and it didn't take a Lynn Smith, challenging for Jeremic

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Corbyn for the leadership, to say that was not good enough, make me

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Leader of the Labour Party. But dashed Owen Smith, challenging

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Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership. In lots of areas, she seems to be

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kicking things into the future. We know she has indicated that the

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deficit targets... She still wanted it, but not until the end of the

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parliament. On immigration, she still sees tens of thousands as a

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target, but until we are out of the European Union, this is not

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possible. Today, it may almost be a rite of passage. It's the new delay

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to Universal Credit. This was a reform of the benefits system is

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supposed to have 6 million people on it by now. We have a quarter of a

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million on it, 124 software should be. She's announced it will be a

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year longer, even longer than 2022. The original plan was supposed to be

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the end of this year. The split in the Tory party on Europe. Is it

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dead? You saw the rows of smiling Tory MPs, and you thought, have

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those divisions finally been overcome? The key moment was when

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Edward Leigh, the arch Eurosceptic, said, in a carefully phrased

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question to the Prime Minister, will you reject access to the single

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market and will there be no freedom of movement? Theresa May made a

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careful response. She said they wanted to negotiate the best deal

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and that there would be limits on free movement. If we are to have

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some access to the single market outside the European Union, we may

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have to accept some immigration from within the European Union. I was

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talking to one of the government Brexit people today, and they say

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they are working really, really hard to make sure that the likes of Sir

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Edward Leigh do not shout, betrayal, when the inevitable nitty-gritty

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give-and-take of the negotiations is under way. Thanks to you both.

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Well, I said we'd get more from Berlin.

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It's not unusual, when you move house, to go and meet the

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neighbours. All new prime ministers in recent times, with the exception

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of John Major, have made their first overseas trips to Germany, France or

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both. So Theresa May's itinerary for today and tomorrow is far from

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unusual. But Theresa May's visit to Berlin today and Paris tomorrow are

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anything but social cause. No Prime Minister since World War II has

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arrived in office with a more pressing, urgent diplomatic problem

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to contend with. It was appreciated by the Germans and by the Chancellor

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that hurling was the first city to visit. It shows that they understand

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that Germany will play a very important role in negotiations to

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come. It probably also a woman to woman move that was quite clever.

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Apart from a brief handshake at an EU migration summit, this was the

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first time the two most powerful women in Europe had met. The new

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Prime Minister was here to make common cause. It's very important

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that we have two women here, who have had a very constructive

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discussion. Two women who get on with the job and want to deliver the

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best possible results for the people of the UK and the people of Germany.

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Theresa May did receive a sympathetic hearing when it came to

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the crucial issue of when to trickle -- trigger Article 50, the process

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that begins our negotiated exit from the EU. The Prime Minister said this

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would not be until next year at least. Some members of the EU want a

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faster timetable, but Angela Merkel is very understanding.

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TRANSLATION: It is understandable that only a few days after the

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referendum, only a few days after a new government was formed in

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Britain, the government will have to take a moment first. There's been a

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lot of anger. There was this thing off well, they want to leave, let's

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punish them. Let's make it as hard as possible. A populist approach.

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But I don't think this is going to matter that much in the real

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negotiations. I think the interests of the German economy will play a

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big role, and they obviously wants relations as close as possible. For

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the UK, free movement of people within the EU is something that many

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who voted for Brexit expect to change. Angela Merkel said today the

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UK will not be allowed to cherry pick what it wants to pick and what

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it wants to let go. In Germany, public concern is more about

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migration from outside the new than movement within it. In Germany,

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these are two different topics. We are not so much talking about the

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free movement within the European Union, even though we have this

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debate also. We know that those entering the European Union, the

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migrants and some of those terrorists who were able to attack

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in Paris and Brussels and now in Germany, a benefited from the

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possibility to travel freely within Europe. Tomorrow, Theresa May

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arrives in Paris for the second leg of her opening visits. The

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fundamentals of the problem are that the UK's exit from the E -- from the

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European Union hasn't changed at all. But now there seems to be

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willingness on all sides to couch the problem in more friendly

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language. I'm joined now by Crispin Blunt,

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Conservative MP and Chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee

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and SNP spokesperson on Trade on Trade and Investment,

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Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh. How has her first week been? It was

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great to see her meeting with the First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, and

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then with Angela Merkel today. It is refreshing times, to a certain

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extent, in terms of seeing women in positions of importance. The key

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thing is what they do with those positions. In Scotland, we didn't

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want the vote imposed upon us, and we didn't want to come out of the

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European Union. It seems like you are getting swept up a little bit in

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the joy and euphoria of a new Prime Minister. No, because

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notwithstanding comments made on the steps of Downing Street that she's

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going to be Prime Minister of the whole of the United Kingdom, which

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remains to be seen in terms of how she protects Scotland's position in

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the EU, but she also spoke of inequality and social justice. Today

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in PMQs, we had a reiteration of austerity and living within our

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needs -- within our means, policies which are punishing the people of

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Scotland to a terrible extent. Crispin Blunt, you were a Boris

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Johnson support of the last time I spoke to you. What is your take on

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Theresa May's first week? I think it's been awesome. The machinery of

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government changes, allied to the personnel changes she's made in

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government, have given her a real stamp of authority. The creation of

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a new Brexit Department and a new Department of International trade,

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and the leader of those three departments, are exactly what I

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would have done, knowing the personalities involved and their

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skill sets. You have Boris Johnson, who has a fantastic complimentary

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skill set to Theresa May, being the Leave representatives of the UK and

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the world. I think it is a terrific message available for the UK.

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Everything is awesome, as the song says. Do you think wrecks it can be

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resolved? Do you think there is a solution, a Brexit solution, that

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can satisfy the ultra-s in the Conservative Party, the SNP, Angela

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Merkel and the business constituency in the UK? It is clear from the

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referendum result that it is Scotland's position that we want to

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remain within the European Union. That was the democratic will of the

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people of Scotland when they went to the ballot box. From that

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perspective, we will be negotiating to stay within the European Union.

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Put that aside, because it's not going to happen soon. I don't accept

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that it won't happen, because that's not been the view of many people.

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The First Minister has already spoken. The latest YouGov poll

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across various EU countries showed lots of support for Scotland to stay

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in the EU. That is just a modest problem. The modest problem being

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that there was a referendum a couple of years ago where the people of

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Scotland voted to remain within sight -- within the United Kingdom.

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And the United Kingdom have collectively voted to leave the

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European Union. I don't want to get to court on this. Crispin Blunt, do

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you see a solution that will satisfy Edward Leigh and everybody else? And

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if there is a solution, why didn't Theresa May mention it today?

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We're not going to be part of the single market, we will have access

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to the single market and sell into the single market. There are tonnes

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that need to be decided in the negotiation. You are clear, but is

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she clear? She wasn't as clear as you have been when she spoke in the

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comments today and again in Germany. She didn't say it like that. -- and

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in the Commons. There will be issues about how close the readership is

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with the single market and within the negotiation people may say, we

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almost remained... 30% in it. Yes. I am pretty clear that we will end up,

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within a decade, a deep and comprehensive free trade agreement,

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what gets negotiated over the next two and a half years will be part of

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the weight of that. People should be fairly clear that there are some

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things the British can't give in, in this negotiation. One will be

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unrestricted free movement of labour. She doesn't talk about

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ending free movement, she says controls on free movement. Exactly.

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Why doesn't she say ending free movement? It doesn't sound much she

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is quite clear like you are. Britain will remain open for business, we

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will want people who we want to come and work in our labour market to

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come and work here. There is a significant number of EU individuals

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working as consultants in the health service and we will need to

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continue. As there are in every other industry. You will want people

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where there is a demand for them, particularly in the top jobs, to

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have mobility into our labour market. The people who have got to

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be protected in our labour market are those like unskilled and

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semiskilled people in the labour market from competing with... The

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labour market from the European Union. Putting aside the Scotland

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issue, I know you don't want to, do you think they have got it resolved?

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The issue with the Leave proposition, as it was during the

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campaign, we don't know what that means and we still don't know what

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that means. With all respect to Chris, since he voted with us

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against Trident a couple of days ago, that is the issue. We have seen

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throughout this week a different viewpoints within the government as

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to what Brexit actually means. A huge challenge for Theresa May,

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taking out Scotland, which is unique. How she coalesces around

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something which will appease everybody. We have already seen the

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continuing dissent amongst the ranks of the Conservative Party because of

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this. We need to leave it there, thank you so much.

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Well, we have to have a daily dose of Labour politics.

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Now the party is sceptical, on occasion, of the profit motive,

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but it has certainly found a good way to raise money itself.

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Registered supporters had to pay ?25 for a right to vote

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in its leadership election and the news is that the party

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has made not much less than ?5 million from that

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The numbers, who are these people who registered? Jeremy Corbyn has

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tweeted this evening that 183,000 people have signed up in the 48 hour

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window to be registered supporters. Officially, we have no idea who

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these people are. What we do know is that both sides have been

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mobilising, momentum for Jeremy Corbyn and saving labour for anyone

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but Corbyn. I sense a growing and quite confident in the Jeremy Corbyn

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camp because they saying are very strict rules for these registered

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supporters, ?3 fee, up to ?12. Having it open for the entire

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contest down to a 48 hour window, despite the incredibly strict rules,

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there are an extra 50,000 people who have signed up for this, they are

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quietly confident. Owen Smith and saving labour site, they said we

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have been mobilising, don't count us out. -- saving labour.

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A state of emergency is underway in Turkey.

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In Turkey, an extraordinary purge is under way in the aftermath

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About 60,000 soldiers, police, judges, civil servants and teachers

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have been either suspended, detained or are under investigation.

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Today, a temporary ban was applied to academics travelling abroad,

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on the pretext that accomplices of the coup might try

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Well, our diplomatic editor, Mark Urban, has been in Turkey

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since the weekend, and has been following this new phase

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in the entrenchment of Erdogan's power.

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A state of emergency. 90 minutes ago he announced this, what does that

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actually mean? Less than that, actually, Evan. It gives sweeping

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powers initially for three months although some people say they expect

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it to last six months. Greater powers of arrest and detention but

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powers, potentially, if they are needed, for curfews. People, for

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example, legally instructed to have their passports or other form of ID,

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ID cards, with them at all times, when they are out of their own

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homes. That type of thing. As you might imagine, opposition groups are

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pretty worried about this. The President's supporters, we had this

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in anger after the ten minutes the announcement was made, a huge

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crescendo of car horns across the city forced up some pictures have

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come in of celebration. Amongst President Erdogan's supporters.

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Everybody including the opposition United against the coup when it

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happened. In broad terms, they supported the punishment of those

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responsible. But we have seen in recent days is a widening dragnet of

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people involved against followers of this exiled cleric Brittany Boolean

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-- Gulen. There are people who are concerned this could sweep in all

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sorts of others. Even if you just confine it to that group, could be

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hundreds of thousands who belong to this Gulenist network.

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At an army barracks in Ankara, a furious policeman interrogates

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soldiers, who took part in the coup attempt.

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"What did he order you to do", one is asked.

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"He ordered all tanks to shoot at the people".

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Fixing on the officer who gave the order,

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While pistol whipping and kicking him.

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The soldiers are denounced as Gulenist dogs.

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Followers of an exiled cleric blamed for the coup.

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As thousands have been arrested, accused of being members of that

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secret network, relatives come to places like Ankara's police station,

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TRANSLATION: We don't know why they have detained him, we don't

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We can't see him here or at the courthouse.

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Quickly, though, vocal supporters of President Erdogan appeared,

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You can feel the divisions between people playing themselves

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out even in that little crowd we just talked to.

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Some backing the AKP and the police, others talking about

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their loved ones, who are locked up inside there.

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It's a very tense mood and

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we've been told not to stay too long, here.

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As the purge against members of the Gulenist network

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spreads wider, the judiciary, schools and media have all been

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This is the Ankara bureau of Can Erzincan TV.

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They are open that the channel are loyal to exiled

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Now he's been fired, he's got no idea who

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TRANSLATION: I have worked at Gulenist TV stations and

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Gulenist newspapers but I've also worked

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Present the evidence the Gulenists were involved,

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present it in court or order a parliamentary investigation.

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On the night of the coup, Ahmet Berat Conka,

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in President Erdogan's AKA party loaded

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his pistol and headed for Parliament, knowing he might lose

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At that time Cobra helicopters started to fire on us.

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In this garden, I spent about ten minutes, escaping from these

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By bombing Parliament and then failing in their coup, the

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plotters empowered the government to embark on a wide-reaching purge

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This gang that we are trying to tell to the

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world for the last three years, unfortunately, we were not able to

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Regarding the threat coming from this cult,

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from this terrorist gang, which is settled inside the Turkish

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How did the Gulen movement become so deeply embeded

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For years, its founder backed Erdogan and his party.

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They rallied support and in return, got thousands of

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teaching, legal and military jobs for Gulenists.

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A few years ago, Gulen and Erdogan split acrimoniously and the movement

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Since Gulen followers hardly carry membership

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cards, the current purge is about to hit all sorts of people.

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TRANSLATION: There will be a major witchhunt, this will happen in every

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government department, in every ministry.

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In the Army, in the civil service, in the courts.

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If there is the tiniest suspicion around anyone, they will

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As those arrested are processed, the tensions

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43 members of the military allegedly involved in the coup have been

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brought to the central court today and while the government says it's

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confident the trouble is over, they're not taking any chances.

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They got a water cannon here in case,

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presumably, of crowd disturbances and they've

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also brought dozens of

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That reflects the fact that in Ankara in recent days, there have

:24:47.:24:52.

been recent gun battles between coup sympathisers and the police.

:24:53.:24:58.

With hundreds of thousands Gulen supporters, the current government

:24:59.:25:00.

campaign can be expected to continue and to embroil Turkey and America

:25:01.:25:03.

This person who is the chief of this gang is running

:25:04.:25:14.

this organisation from the United States.

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So, reasonably, we are saying that these people, this gang

:25:17.:25:18.

as international collections, international support.

:25:19.:25:25.

Gulen, look at where he is based on what he is

:25:26.:25:28.

The United States should be able to provide us with

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all the information about what this guy is doing.

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As Turkey prepares its formal extradition request for Gulen

:25:40.:25:44.

abroad, and prosecuts his sympathisers at home,

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Faced with a spectacular treason of the coup,

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many Turks favour rooting out those held responsible.

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Day Three of the Republican Convention.

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It's a little different to the usual ones, even more like the build up

:26:01.:26:04.

to a world champion wrestling match than usual.

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Donald Trump has been officially selected.

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Emily is over there in Cleveland, Ohio.

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Good evening. That's right. Tonight, Donald Trump has formally secured

:26:15.:26:23.

the nomination to lead his party or should we say, not his party, the

:26:24.:26:27.

Republican party, into the general election. The debate now involves a

:26:28.:26:31.

bit, decides what kind of campaign that has to be.

:26:32.:26:39.

Does he have to shift into a new gear, becoming,

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as one delegate here told me, an upgraded version of himself,

:26:43.:26:44.

Today we learnt that Ohio Governor John Kasich was one

:26:45.:26:51.

of those who turned down the chance to be Trump's Vice President.

:26:52.:26:56.

I asked him if the man he had grown up with has changed and if he was

:26:57.:27:06.

convinced his father would want to lead the country if he won.

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He's been a politician for exactly, what, 12 months now?

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And here is, the Republican nominee in the United States.

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It's a very special time for our family.

:27:17.:27:18.

When you look at your father, does he feel like the same man

:27:19.:27:22.

that you grew up with, or is he a new man?

:27:23.:27:25.

He's fighting for something he cares so much about,

:27:26.:27:28.

He's dropped his whole life to do this.

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This is a very special day, and we're really honoured.

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He is going to become president if he wins?

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He will absolutely become president if he wins.

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Of course, there are those who say the last thing Donald Trump should

:27:48.:27:51.

do is change his tune now, that the way for Republicans to win

:27:52.:27:54.

One is his former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who is credited

:27:55.:28:06.

with both helping Trump to emerge triumphant from the crazy

:28:07.:28:08.

Primary season and with giving the entire party

:28:09.:28:10.

Lewandowski was unceremoniously dumped by Trump last month.

:28:11.:28:17.

Some here believe he is still being paid by his former boss. Others

:28:18.:28:24.

think he might be here to quietly create mischief behind the scenes.

:28:25.:28:25.

In a rare UK interview, I met up with him.

:28:26.:28:28.

What is your understanding of what happened today?

:28:29.:28:29.

Donald Trump was nominated for president of the

:28:30.:28:31.

Have you left the campaign for good or do you still feel very much

:28:32.:28:39.

I've left the campaign and now I am in a role as the

:28:40.:28:44.

Chairman of the New Hampshire delegation.

:28:45.:28:45.

I was very proud to be able to read the roll call from the

:28:46.:28:48.

The first state that delivered a victory for

:28:49.:28:51.

They tried to blame you for Melania's speech.

:28:52.:28:54.

I had nothing to do Melania's speech.

:28:55.:28:56.

If they want to blame me for something, they can

:28:57.:29:00.

blame me for the 38 victories we had in the primary.

:29:01.:29:03.

Look, I left, I got a great opportunity to contribute to

:29:04.:29:08.

CNN and spend time with my family, which I hadn't seen in 18 months.

:29:09.:29:11.

But this man could be president, come November.

:29:12.:29:17.

He will be the president of the United States, come November.

:29:18.:29:19.

And will you be working for him, then?

:29:20.:29:22.

If Mr Trump asked me to come back and sweep the floors in the White

:29:23.:29:28.

House or, you know, open the mail, I will

:29:29.:29:30.

Just because I don't work for him in the

:29:31.:29:33.

campaign doesn't change my resolve that this country needs fundamental

:29:34.:29:35.

and unequivocal change and he's the only one that will do that.

:29:36.:29:39.

But you've got the brain, the mind, the vision

:29:40.:29:42.

What would you be saying if you were on the inside now?

:29:43.:29:46.

We have seen a convention, which has had, let's be

:29:47.:29:49.

honest, hiccups, things not going according to plan.

:29:50.:29:51.

Running a convention is a very, very difficult thing to do.

:29:52.:29:58.

And I've never done it, but I think these guys

:29:59.:30:01.

You have to understand how difficult it is to have all

:30:02.:30:06.

these moving parts and all these people.

:30:07.:30:07.

Thousands of delegates coming in, moving parts, it is a

:30:08.:30:10.

full-time and very difficult thing to execute.

:30:11.:30:11.

Not at the convention, I am just here to enjoy the convention.

:30:12.:30:20.

What is important for Donald Trump going forward, now?

:30:21.:30:23.

What you will find is that he will continue to expand the

:30:24.:30:26.

map, he will campaign in states that Republicans don't traditionally

:30:27.:30:29.

campaign in, states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, obviously.

:30:30.:30:31.

That means Hillary Clinton has to go there, those are

:30:32.:30:34.

states that in historical perspectives she should have won.

:30:35.:30:37.

She should be so far ahead in Michigan, it should not be

:30:38.:30:40.

With 16 weeks to go in this election.

:30:41.:30:51.

Who was at it that told Donald Trump to elect Mike Pence as his

:30:52.:30:55.

One man makes that decision, his name is Donald J Trump.

:30:56.:31:00.

And anybody who wants to say they had a say in what

:31:01.:31:06.

Mr Trump does clearly doesn't know what kind of leader he is because

:31:07.:31:09.

So you don't think he wanted Chris Christie?

:31:10.:31:14.

No, I think he's very pleased with Mike Pence.

:31:15.:31:16.

Mike Pence is a good man, an honourable person

:31:17.:31:18.

and he will bring a lot to that ticket.

:31:19.:31:20.

People describe him in terms that are frankly quite boring,

:31:21.:31:23.

An antidote to Donald Trump being exciting?

:31:24.:31:25.

No, Mike Pence has 12 years in Congress, he's

:31:26.:31:29.

he was the governor of an important state.

:31:30.:31:31.

He's got foreign policy experience, having served on that committee,

:31:32.:31:33.

He understands how to bring jobs back.

:31:34.:31:36.

More people working in Indiana now than

:31:37.:31:38.

they have been in the history of the state.

:31:39.:31:40.

It is a well-rounded team and it is a team that is going directly

:31:41.:31:43.

That last trump's former manager. Tonight things get quite

:31:44.:31:57.

interesting, because we are going to be hearing from Donald Trump's

:31:58.:32:03.

rival, Ted Cruz. Will he take this opportunity to formally endorsed

:32:04.:32:06.

Donald Trump, or will he just say nice things about the Republican

:32:07.:32:11.

party? Or will he quietly start setting out his own stall for 2020

:32:12.:32:15.

in case Donald Trump loses come November. We are also going to be

:32:16.:32:22.

hearing from Mike Pence, evangelical Christian, and some of his

:32:23.:32:25.

credentials are about bringing that mainstream Conservative vote to

:32:26.:32:31.

Donald Trump. He is crucial. More on that tomorrow.

:32:32.:32:35.

Now, a quick reminder that if Monday to Friday isn't enough,

:32:36.:32:37.

there is a Newsnight special on Saturday

:32:38.:32:39.

The British people have spoken and the answer is...We're out.

:32:40.:32:44.

I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it.

:32:45.:32:50.

The political landscape changed forever.

:32:51.:32:55.

I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job

:32:56.:32:58.

The Scottish Parliament should have the right

:32:59.:33:08.

Exactly one month after the UK's momentous vote...

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and we're going to make a success of it.

:33:15.:33:20.

Newsnight hosts a special day of discussion and

:33:21.:33:22.

debate on Brexit Britain, a divided nation, and its relationship

:33:23.:33:27.

Full details about the event and how you can

:33:28.:33:32.

obtain tickets are available via the Newsnight website.

:33:33.:33:34.

We will be live on BBC Two at 6pm on Saturday.

:33:35.:33:47.

If you struggle to keep up with all new music

:33:48.:33:50.

entering the charts, I've good news.

:33:51.:33:51.

It's not such good news if you value a vibrant

:33:52.:33:55.

and competitive music sector, of course, which includes

:33:56.:33:57.

It all appears to be down to streaming.

:33:58.:34:00.

The charts are now based not just on the number

:34:01.:34:03.

of sales a single gets, but also the number

:34:04.:34:05.

And that appears to make it harder to get into the charts, but easier

:34:06.:34:10.

The current number one has spent 15 weeks and counting at the top.

:34:11.:34:16.

In a sign that life in Brexit Britain is slowly getting

:34:17.:34:20.

back to normal, we have this report from our culture editor,

:34:21.:34:23.

Stephen Smith, his first foray into our running order

:34:24.:34:26.

# That's why I need a one dance, got a Hennessy in my hand #

:34:27.:34:33.

Here's a man who needs no introduction to our audience.

:34:34.:34:36.

It's long-time friend of the programme, Drake.

:34:37.:34:40.

# That's why I need a one dance, got a Hennessy in my hand...

:34:41.:34:43.

His song, One Dance, has been nailed onto the top

:34:44.:34:49.

of the charts longer than we've been banging on about Brexit.

:34:50.:34:54.

In fact, it's set to overtake a couple of record-breaking

:34:55.:34:56.

number ones, which we've ripped off from Evan's TiVo box.

:34:57.:35:01.

# I feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my toes #

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Really tight at the top, but Drake has just about

:35:18.:35:19.

For 14 weeks in a row now, Drake is number one with One Dance.

:35:20.:35:28.

A bit like when you go to certain pizza restaurants and you pay

:35:29.:35:33.

for a salad and you can have as much salad as you like,

:35:34.:35:36.

You can just listen to as much music as you like.

:35:37.:35:41.

At our sister station, Radio 1, they are

:35:42.:35:44.

so worried about the likes of Drake hogging the top spot,

:35:45.:35:47.

There may come a time when we may have to consider

:35:48.:35:52.

We have a lot of streamers watching, maybe now is the

:35:53.:35:59.

opportunity to say, we are pulling Drake.

:36:00.:36:03.

That's a decision we will continue to monitor in next week's playlist

:36:04.:36:07.

meeting and the one after that but I think it is right

:36:08.:36:10.

As far as I know, it would be the first time, if it happened,

:36:11.:36:16.

that Radio 1 had removed the number-1 single from its playlist.

:36:17.:36:27.

There are fewer new entries in the charts now.

:36:28.:36:29.

Only 86 in the first half of this year, compared

:36:30.:36:35.

to 230 in the same period a decade ago.

:36:36.:36:37.

It's tough for acts like War On Drugs,

:36:38.:36:39.

The charts are absolutely being monopolised by

:36:40.:36:44.

the major music companies, because they are monopolising

:36:45.:36:47.

their playlists with the streaming services.

:36:48.:36:56.

So, this is then blocking exciting, different, unusual alternative,

:36:57.:36:59.

avant-garde artists from really penetrating the modern music scene.

:37:00.:37:09.

The singles chart is all about reflecting the consumption of

:37:10.:37:11.

The reality is that there are people of a

:37:12.:37:19.

certain age and certain generations who maybe don't necessarily

:37:20.:37:21.

understand and get into the world of streaming.

:37:22.:37:23.

To be honest, if those people don't want the charts to include

:37:24.:37:26.

streaming, they are living in past worlds, as far as I am concerned.

:37:27.:37:31.

The old charts at least had the merit of

:37:32.:37:33.

music fans putting their money where their mouth was,

:37:34.:37:37.

and the excitement of seeing whom they'd propel to

:37:38.:37:39.

Is there a danger that, on your watch, the charts will

:37:40.:37:46.

I think the British public is uniquely fascinated

:37:47.:37:56.

and passionate about the chart, and we're not seeing any evidence

:37:57.:37:59.

You know, I think that when you see a campaign, for example,

:38:00.:38:08.

like "Get Rage Against The Machine to number one" in order to block

:38:09.:38:12.

the X Factor single from the top of the charts,

:38:13.:38:14.

I think that is a uniquely British fascination.

:38:15.:38:16.

# Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see #

:38:17.:38:20.

Drake's hit has now been as number one longer than this classic.

:38:21.:38:24.

And to discuss this I'm joined by Gennaro Castaldo,

:38:25.:38:42.

director of the British Phonographic Industry, the record

:38:43.:38:44.

Is there a problem? I don't think so. We are focusing on the top 40,

:38:45.:38:54.

the top 60, that we should think of the chart as something that is much

:38:55.:39:01.

deeper now. Streaming has enabled this new relationship to music, and

:39:02.:39:04.

the report said that there is less music. In fact, we have much more

:39:05.:39:10.

music. Much more choice, more back catalogue has come to life, because

:39:11.:39:15.

more people have access to it. It's a great opportunity for is white is

:39:16.:39:21.

it a fact that there is more music? Yes. Before, you would have to go to

:39:22.:39:26.

a record store, but they could only hold it for so long. Now you can get

:39:27.:39:33.

anything you want for as long as you want. The music community has been

:39:34.:39:38.

really empowered. When we were growing up they spoke about the

:39:39.:39:41.

chart is being hyped and it was all about marketing. But now it is very

:39:42.:39:45.

organic, and it is about the consumer choosing what they want. If

:39:46.:39:51.

the chart moves very slowly and one record sits there at number one for

:39:52.:39:55.

three months, it's just a bit boring. You could equally argue that

:39:56.:40:00.

it's a far more immersive experience, and more of us have the

:40:01.:40:03.

opportunity to acquaint ourselves with an artist. Trade has become a

:40:04.:40:10.

global star. It is all around the world. He has sold over 4000

:40:11.:40:18.

downloads as well, so it's not just about streaming. The charts are

:40:19.:40:22.

still very important for breaking artists, and reflects how we are

:40:23.:40:28.

using music today. 100 listens equals one sale - is there anything

:40:29.:40:35.

in that? Are you looking at it? Clearly, streaming is having an

:40:36.:40:40.

effect. It's too early to say what the long-term effects might be. Over

:40:41.:40:44.

time, it's difficult to say what we might do. Perhaps you could wait it

:40:45.:40:50.

difficulty -- weighted differently, so it could be looked at differently

:40:51.:40:56.

to a new hit, if the song has been in the charts for a while. Soon,

:40:57.:41:03.

Drake be knocked off, and we'll be wondering why we were worrying about

:41:04.:41:09.

it. A quick theory, there will be fewer new artists at some point, as

:41:10.:41:13.

the population ages, because people like me are still listening to Queen

:41:14.:41:20.

rather than new artists. The reason that British music is so fantastic

:41:21.:41:23.

is that record labels invest half their revenues into developing

:41:24.:41:27.

artists all around the world. As long as that remains, we will have

:41:28.:41:31.

new talent coming through. Thank you.

:41:32.:41:34.

But we thought we'd better play out with some kind of topical

:41:35.:41:41.

tribute to Garry Marshall, the creator of hit 70s sitcom

:41:42.:41:44.

"These days are ours, happy and free", goes the famous song.

:41:45.:41:47.

Well, these days certainly belong to Theresa May and her new team,

:41:48.:41:50.

as they try to negotiate our freedom from the EU.

:41:51.:41:54.

Whether or not they will be happy,

:41:55.:41:56.

# Happy days # These days our ours

:41:57.:42:21.

# Share them with me # These days are owls

:42:22.:42:26.

# Happy and free # These happy days are yours and

:42:27.:42:30.

mine # These happy days are yours and

:42:31.:42:32.

mine #. Should be a much more comfortable

:42:33.:42:44.

night for sleeping. Always more cloud out towards the west. Some

:42:45.:42:48.

wetter weather

:42:49.:42:49.

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