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As Labour descends into full-scale civil war, one general insists he's

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Do I read widely? Yes.

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Do I think about things a great deal?

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Do I enjoy it? Absolutely.

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At the launch of his official campaign, Jeremy Corbyn sits

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Tonight on Newsnight, I'm in Cleveland, Ohio with Ben Carson,

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What does he make of Ted Cruz here in the hall last night?

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And what does he think Donald Trump has to do to unify the party now?

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Parliament is breaking up for the summer so, as always,

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the Government has dumped hundreds of pages of documents on us.

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Buried within them, a nasty shock for the NHS in England.

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Ten months and nine days in post, and Jeremy Corbyn is facing

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the first challenge to his leadership of the Labour Party.

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Having endured an avalanche of high and low profile resignations

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and a vote of no confidence by over 70% of his fellow MPs,

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the signs are that Mr Corbyn continues to enjoy unprecedented

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levels of support among the party membership.

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Today, he set about the tricky business of trying to unite

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the party and see off the threat of his challenger Owen Smith,

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while also setting out his vision for a Corbyn premiership.

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In a moment, Evan interviews the Labour leader.

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But first, did today's launch herald the breaking of a brave

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new dawn or was it all a bit business as usual?

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The Britain that Jeremy Corbyn was born into was a very different

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Against a backdrop of epic conflict, Corbyn describes the injustices

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of a post-war society, namely the five giant evils

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identified by William Beveridge, the godfather of the welfare state,

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as want, squalor, idleness - yes, idleness - disease and ignorance.

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By the time Corbyn had grown up, he says he was championing the cause

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of wage inequality, today making special reference to the Ford sewing

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machinists strikes in Dagenham in 1968 and 1984.

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But today he says the injustices blighting the country are different

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and he has distilled them down into five new evils.

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One problem is that it's not entirely clear how Mr Corbyn plans

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In his speech today, for example, he talks

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In his speech today, for example, he talks of companies publishing

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but, otherwise, there was little policy flesh on the principal bone.

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He also had a message for MPs in his party about unity.

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It's the job, it's the duty, is the responsibility of every

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Labour MP to get behind the party at that point.

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The problem is, it seems it is more do as I say, than do what I do.

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Newsnight has delved into the archives and found this.

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It's Corbyn, then not even an MP, reacting to Tony Benn's failed bid

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to become deputy leader back in 1981.

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Corbyn blamed some left-leaning Labour MPs who abstained

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But above all I think we should also be considering the actions

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and attitudes of a number of left Labour MPs in Parliament.

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Because I believe, quite bluntly, that those MPs who sought to abstain

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in the second ballot, in reality, voted for Healey.

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And I think they must expect some discomfort from the rank-and-file

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in their own constituencies in the coming months.

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That was then, this is now. As he said today, times have changed.

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Well, as luck would have it, Evan caught up with Mr Corbyn

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after his campaign launch this morning

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On the morning after the referendum, you went on TV and you basically

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said we need to invoke Article 50 now.

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I may not have put that as well as I should have done.

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My view was, and is, is that at some point Article 50

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It had been a long night and you expressed it badly.

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The view I was putting was that Article 50 will be

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I did not mean it should be invoked on Friday morning and we should

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rush over to Brussels and start negotiating.

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Because, clearly, the negotiations are going to be very long

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Because 40-odd years of EU membership means that almost every

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piece of legislation brings in EU regulation, somewhere.

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I think that's a very important clarification.

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Another one that will be important is, are you open to the idea

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of a second referendum, when we have got somewhere down the line,

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had a chance to think about it more or are you basically a Brexit

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I think we have to respect the result of the referendum.

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Respect the result, which was, unfortunately, a vote to leave.

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The bottom line has got to be access to European markets

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for industries that are based in Britain,

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clearly massive effect on, for example, Sunderland, on this.

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It also has to be protection of the workers' rights that have

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been improved through EU regulation, from, often,

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Also, a very big raft of regulations on consumer protection

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and environmental protection, all those issues.

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You have given an interesting statement of your objectives,

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But you missed one out, something like 80% of working class

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people have a view on, which is immigration.

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Many see this negotiation as a choice between more access

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Now, where are you on the immigration debate?

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I have made the point, all along, that the single market does include,

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If you go away from that, you are not even a single market.

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Do you want to be in the single market?

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The point I was making throughout the referendum campaign is that

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workers directive would prevent the undercutting in Britain,

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would prevent that grotesque level of exploitation.

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That, in turn, will have a reduction effect.

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Basically, do you want to negotiate, if you were Prime Minister,

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there was an election tomorrow, would you negotiate with the EU some

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control on the uncontrolled free movement that exists at the moment?

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I would want to see a movement of labour, which recognises

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the need to have similarity of conditions across Europe.

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If we say we will start restricting, it works both ways.

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It will also restrict British people going to live and work in Europe.

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I think that will be impossible within a single market.

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But also, I urge people to think for a moment about...

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I talked about the British workers in Europe that European

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workers in Britain that run our health service.

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I take it that you are someone who would say you want quite a bit

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of access and there are other ways of dealing with it.

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Let's look at the other ways of dealing with it.

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Can we deal with some of the criticisms your colleagues

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They say it is not policy, it is about, well, competence

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Thangam Debbonaire, one of your MPs, now, she wrote an account of how,

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in January, she was receiving cancer treatment, she was appointed

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And then she said she was sacked the next day without being told.

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So, having someone else tell her she was a Shadow Minister,

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not in the Cabinet, she was working on it and then discovered

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I just wonder whether that story, as she described it,

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I was aware that she was receiving very serious cancer treatment.

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I didn't want to disturb her treatment.

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Unfortunately, my wish to appoint her as one of our arts

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spokespersons was informed to her when it shouldn't have been.

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I wanted to leave it until the treatment was over.

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It was a question that she would start the job later on.

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When she returned, after her treatment, I had a very long

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conversation with her and of course I apologised to her for that.

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Owen Smith, would you serve under Owen Smith?

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Would you respect his leadership if he won?

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Owen Smith has offered me a unopposed election to a job

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Would you not be president if he won?

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I'm not even sure we should have a president of the party.

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It sounds to me bit like director of football.

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It's a very strange thing to offer because he offered that after he had

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decided to resign from the Shadow Cabinet early on,

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having told me he was happy to serve in the Shadow Cabinet

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He has every opportunity to do that, every right, if you want to.

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The creation of a position of president of the party would

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actually require a rule change, a constitutional change.

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It's not in his gift to offer an unopposed election to anything.

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Unless he has some control over the whole electorate that

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I don't go around calling people Blairites, actually.

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Tony Blair stopped being PM in 2007, it's quite a long time ago.

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If you are a rebel in your party, here's a question...

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People who are against your leadership.

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If you are somebody who has a different view of what we need

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to do to respond to the problems we are talking about,

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Should you be listening to the members of your local party?

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Or should you be thinking through these issues yourself

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and making decisions based on your conscience?

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I don't want to tell people how to vote.

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It is legitimate for them to take a different view

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and oppose you and say, this is a debate we are having

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and we will use every constitutional means.

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It is pretty obvious this is happening, that is why

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I think some of you critics say they want to have that debate.

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They want to talk about that that you are otherworldly.

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In the last six weeks, the most important six weeks anyone

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for us can remember in British political history in our lifetime,

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you have been to two Cuba Solidarity meeting.

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I was there for 20 minutes, and then I went back to my office

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I thought it was only respectful because a lot of us had pushed

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the British government to support their release and,

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in turn, that actually helped to bring about the rapprochement

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Well, I was thinking of the RMT Cuba Solidarity Garden Party,

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actually, where you are pictured next to the Cuban ambassador.

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Did you think to say to her, you must tell Castro,

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the Castro brothers, that they have been in power for 57

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years now and they haven't thought it necessary to hold an election

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to validate their power over the Cuban people?

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I focused on lots of issues, particularly to do with human rights

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in every country all over the world, and I continue to do so.

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Every country in the world, and that obviously includes them.

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The backbenchers that are against you think

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there is this slightly otherworldliness.

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That you have to choose between the people of Burnley,

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who are not worried about Cubans, the situation with US policy

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to Cuba, and the North London intellectuals who maybe do

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I just wonder where you feel your heart lies?

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There are people in Burnley concerned about human

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rights around the world, just as there are in north London.

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They might be different physical locations, but people often think

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the same and do communicate with each other.

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If you win, Tom Watson, the deputy leader, has said it

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may be difficult to get a Shadow Cabinet together.

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Can you just tell us how it is going to work when 80%

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of your MPs don't have confidence in you, and you are there?

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Listen, if we win this election, and I hope we do, it will be

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an expression of a lot of people of the general economic direction

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It is now the biggest membership it has ever been.

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More people have registered to vote in this election than the entire

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membership of the Tory party in 48 hours.

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That says something about atmosphere in the whole country.

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I will appoint a Shadow Cabinet which will be as broad as I can.

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I will reach out to those people, as I have done before.

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You will accept back the rebels if they want to come back in?

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Well, listen, let's have charity towards people.

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Do you ever not just feel like putting the duvet

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You must have thought, should I resign?

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You sounded like a psychiatrist

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Do I think about things a great deal?

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You could be the leader of the Labour Party who oversees

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How about I could be the leader of the Labour Party that

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turns us into a force to change economic justice,

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opportunities and hope in our society?

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Earlier this evening, some startling news from the authorities in France.

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It turns out that the Nice truck attacker Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel

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was not, as first thought, a lone wolf.

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Instead, prosecutors said today, he's believed to have had support

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from five accomplices, all of whom are now in custody.

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One apparently returned to the scene the following day

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And after the attack, we were told today,

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was a year in the planning, a year in which it never came

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to the attention of the French security services.

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Peter Neumann, Director of the International Centre

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for the Study of Radicalisation in London, joins me

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It, it's beginning to look like an intelligence failure as well as a

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terrorist atrocity. It is. It is very unusual that there can be a

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group of five or six people planning something like this over a period of

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a year without anybody noticing. Either they were extremely good at

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hiding what they were doing or someone was not paying attention. If

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none of them, as we were -- as we believe were on any watchlist or

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flagged for any interest, in what circumstances could they have been

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overheard or spotted? It is interesting that at the very

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beginning, neighbours were saying they had never noticed anything.

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That may have been true. But it is very unusual. I don't know of too

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many cases where six people would have plotted without stepping up.

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Without talking to anyone -- slipping up. Without having been

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seen for a period of over a year. Typically these people come to the

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attention of some people in the security services at some point. The

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explanation I have is that the French authorities are so

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overwhelmed right now by the number of cases is that quite a number of

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them are slipping through this is, of course, extremely. Indeed. We

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know the so-called Islamic State has described Bouhlel as one of their

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soldiers. Their links going back to Syria and Iraq could Lee Selby

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entirely self-contained? -- do you think their links go back. This is

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the question. -- could the cell. Five or six people operating

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together does not necessarily mean that they were part of the command

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and control is drudge of the Islamic State. We know Islamic State is

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Senden people into Europe that are Europeans and that are carrying out

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attacks on orders of the Islamic State. At the same time it is trying

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to inspire exactly those kinds of people acting on their own accord.

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It will be very important to find out. The fact that there was no

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video footage in the video that the Islamic State used to claim the

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attack, the fact that it took them some time to actually make up their

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minds seems to indicate that their may not have been a direct link. How

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portable is the lone wolf the Cesc generally? Not in this case -- how

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plausible is the lone wolf theory will stop there are lone wolves. The

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most famous one is Anders Breivik, the Oslo attacker from 2011 who was

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really on his own, he had no contact with others. He was hiding. Really,

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no one noticed anything. But in many cases, people often assume there are

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lone wall is because there is no complete information. More

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information comes out. -- lone wolves. The more information comes

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out and it becomes obvious there were links sometimes into, and

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control structure. Often we say lone wolf and as more information emerges

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it becomes clear that was not the case. Briefly, we have even less

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information about the attempted abduction near the RAF base in

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Marham, Norfolk, yesterday. This is clearly a major cause for concern,

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how plausible doesn't seem to you, as Norfolk police suggest, it is

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unable to discuss terrorism? It is not impossible to discount it. Of

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course, security authorities across Europe been warning as with school

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shootings, with lone wolf attacks there is a ripple contagion effect.

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People see things like Nice or Orlando shootings or what happened

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in Germany on TV and feel inspired to do the same thing. In fact, that

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is exactly what Islamic State once. It is impossible to discount it

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because this may exactly be what happens. Peter, thank you.

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Plagiarised spousal speeches, endorsements that didn't actually

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endorse and a Republican Party Convention that's currently breaking

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just about every political convention in the book.

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There is, it's fair to say, little sign that Donald Trump

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will be letting down the headline writers any time soon.

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Emily Maitlis is at the Convention in Cleveland, where Trump is due

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to make his acceptance speech later tonight.

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Thanks. The last day of convention is traditionally the long-awaited

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finale, the climax where you get to see the bride, except this bride has

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been in his wedding dress pretty much all week. We have heard from

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Donald Trump every single day so far. Last night there were

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spectacular scenes on the floor behind me. Boos From the delegates

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when Ted Cruz, his rival, failed to endorse Donald Trump as his

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president. What was that about? It is hard to escape a sense of perhaps

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puppetry. That this whole thing might be a bit stage-managed by the

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Trump campaign. We will be talking to Ben Carson, a former presidential

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candidate, about that in a second. First, to the drama of the night and

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why it matters to Trump and his electoral chances.

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Please welcome United States Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

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An electric atmosphere from an auditorium bursting at the seams.

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They're waiting to see if the Texas senator, long-time rival

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of Donald Trump, chooses this critical moment to endorse him.

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As he nears the end, the hall suddenly realises

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God bless each and every one of you and God bless

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He should have endorsed Donald Trump!

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This is all about endorsing the President and electing Donald Trump.

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He made it very clear that he is not interested in Donald Trump winning.

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He wants Hillary to win, so that he can run in 2020.

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What we just saw on the convention floor was ridiculous.

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Absolutely ridiculous, and I cannot endorse it.

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We just booed somebody who cordially spoke.

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And where was Donald Trump whilst all this was going on?

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Well, he chose that moment to enter the hall.

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Ted Cruz's failure to endorse Donald Trump a few moments ago led

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to boos from the hall and, indeed, accusations of betrayal.

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But it's also spawned a certain level of conspiracy theory.

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How did Ted Cruz get that speech through Donald Trump's

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campaign when it appeared on the teleprompter?

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Could it be that Trump knew exactly what Ted Cruz was going to say,

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or what he was not going to say, and allowed it to create even more

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And today, Trump's team confirmed they were given the

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If the party seemed fractured before convention, imagine how

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Virtually the only thing they can still agree on is how

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much they hate Hillary, as celebrated here in convention

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To understand why the endorsement - what they are calling

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the Lone Star Snub - matters, you have to leave

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urban Cleveland and head south, to farmland.

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This is Cruz country, the traditional religious

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Republican heartland - no fans of Trump.

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It's not as if Ohio's cowboys aren't used to irascible

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and unpredictable beasts, like the bulls they try and ride

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They concede Trump stands for big bucks.

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It's just not the big bucks they're used to.

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For most of these guys, there is an internal thing that's

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They're strong, they're tough, they're hero, they work hard

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and they hold to their values and their families.

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Things that matter to them, that society is losing track of.

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This is conservative America, not natural Trump territory.

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He is, of course, a metrosexual New Yorker.

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It's a little bit of, like, picking the lesser of two

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And so who do we feel like will allow us to hang

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onto these livelihoods, and the freedoms that we've had,

:23:25.:23:26.

whether it's being able to pray at a rodeo, pray in school,

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The Thorsall family run this event from their ranch.

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Our hearts, really, are God, family, country.

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And does Donald Trump say to you God, family, country?

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He said, let's make America great again.

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Not to pick a fight or anything but when you look at Donald Trump,

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he doesn't strike you as particularly religious.

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Does he fit into your image of what the priorities

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But you have to look at, overall, what does that person

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He might not be the perfect what you think a President ought to be.

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But, for us, he stands for more of our values than any of the

:24:19.:24:21.

Trump has harnessed white working class support

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But if traditional, rural Republicans choose to stay home,

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He is hoping his VP choice, evangelical Christian Mike Pence,

:24:34.:24:40.

who talks the language of God, country and party, is the man

:24:41.:24:43.

He spoke at length last night, but after what they're calling

:24:44.:24:53.

Boos Cruz, no one can quite remember a word he said.

:24:54.:25:06.

Ted Cruz explained his actions, saying he did not want to be a

:25:07.:25:11.

servile poppy after insulting his wife and father. Many people

:25:12.:25:15.

sympathise will stop sticking to their guns. But there are many who

:25:16.:25:19.

don't. Ben Carson was one of those presidential candidates and I spoke

:25:20.:25:21.

to him just before we came on air. Ben Carson, sir, was Ted Cruz

:25:22.:25:25.

right not to endorse I think it was a splendid

:25:26.:25:27.

opportunity for him to demonstrate leadership, bring unity

:25:28.:25:32.

and set himself up, He said he didn't want to be

:25:33.:25:33.

the puppy dog that came running after Donald Trump,

:25:34.:25:38.

who'd abused and name I understand from a perspective

:25:39.:25:40.

of somebody who is more concerned about their own feelings

:25:41.:25:48.

than they are about the big picture. But this election is more

:25:49.:25:51.

about much more than someone's There are many others, you know,

:25:52.:25:53.

in the Trump movement Many of the traditional members

:25:54.:25:57.

of the Republican Party. They need to understand

:25:58.:26:04.

that we are talking about whether this is going to become

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a country that is up for and by the government versus up

:26:07.:26:09.

for and by the people. Were you one of those

:26:10.:26:13.

with bruised feelings? Were you approached

:26:14.:26:15.

by Mr Trump to be his VP? I was not bruised in any way,

:26:16.:26:18.

shape or form. The only reason that I ever got

:26:19.:26:23.

into the political arena at all, I had no intention of all,

:26:24.:26:26.

was because there were so many Clearly, Donald Trump had seen

:26:27.:26:29.

the speech from Ted Cruz three days previously and allowed it to go

:26:30.:26:36.

ahead, do you think it was all part If it was, it was a brilliant move,

:26:37.:26:39.

because it certainly had the desired effect of separating Ted Cruz

:26:40.:26:44.

from Ted Cruz supporters. What do you think Donald Trump

:26:45.:26:51.

should say to the party? I would like him, first of all,

:26:52.:26:54.

to help people understand that we're not talking about four

:26:55.:27:01.

years or eight years. In terms of the influence

:27:02.:27:07.

of the next president. We are talking about generations,

:27:08.:27:10.

because of the two-four Supreme Court picks and multiple

:27:11.:27:13.

federal appointments, as well. People have to look

:27:14.:27:15.

beyond their bruised feelings. Also, I hope he will get people

:27:16.:27:19.

to understand that there are no two Yeah, but there is no two people

:27:20.:27:27.

in the Republican Party The party has never

:27:28.:27:31.

been this divided. But what they need to learn how

:27:32.:27:34.

to do is put those things That is one of the things I have

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to admire the Democrats about. They have a lot of

:27:40.:27:44.

disagreements, too. But they understand if they don't

:27:45.:27:45.

work together as a block, They also tell the Republicans,

:27:46.:27:48.

"You guys are admirable, because you are people of principle

:27:49.:27:56.

and you won't vote for somebody unless you completely

:27:57.:27:59.

agree with them". And then they go home

:28:00.:28:03.

and laugh because they say, Was it Mr Trump's problem?

:28:04.:28:06.

Mr Cruz's problem? The party has been this way

:28:07.:28:11.

because we have an outsider, somebody who cannot

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be bought and sold. Somebody who cannot be controlled

:28:20.:28:22.

by the traditional There's going to be an adjustment

:28:23.:28:24.

period to it, but I think once that adjustment has occurred,

:28:25.:28:31.

it will be like a reset. Because this country was really

:28:32.:28:38.

about the will of the people. It wasn't about the will

:28:39.:28:41.

of a political class. As you know, there are people around

:28:42.:28:43.

the world who say there is no more terrifying prospect

:28:44.:28:46.

than a Trump presidency Simply because they've been

:28:47.:28:48.

listening to the propaganda. Ben Carson, describing to me the

:28:49.:29:09.

sense of what an outsider does to the race, and if it needs a bit of

:29:10.:29:15.

bedding in time. Molly is from The Atlantic. Thanks for joining us. You

:29:16.:29:19.

have had an advance sight of the speech, you can't say too much, but

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you can give us a flavour? The themes we would expect Donald Trump

:29:25.:29:28.

to hit are in there. He is trying to present a unifying general election

:29:29.:29:31.

message and hitting the themes that have defined him from the beginning,

:29:32.:29:36.

chaos, disorder, crime, safety, whether the threats are internal,

:29:37.:29:41.

from chaos in America's inner cities, to external threats,

:29:42.:29:44.

particularly immigration but also foreign threats, the threat of Isis.

:29:45.:29:50.

It's very much about making America safe and also trying to bring

:29:51.:29:53.

America together, accusing the President and Hillary Clinton of

:29:54.:29:56.

dividing Americans against each other and positioning himself as the

:29:57.:30:01.

one that can reconcile. Hillary has been so present in this convention,

:30:02.:30:04.

I don't think I've been anywhere where somebody that was painted as

:30:05.:30:09.

the external enemy was actually in every single speech, 20 or 30 times?

:30:10.:30:17.

Shear the only thing that they agree on. As we have seen in the primary

:30:18.:30:26.

sessions, even in the convention, even with Ted Cruz, the spectre of

:30:27.:30:30.

disunity. It is understandable when they agree on so little, that

:30:31.:30:36.

Republican speakers would seek to rally the faithful by what they are

:30:37.:30:41.

against. The Ted Cruz situation, is it damaging to Donald Trump? I think

:30:42.:30:46.

it is. I think Ted Cruz reminded a lot of conservatives and Republicans

:30:47.:30:52.

why they have doubts about Trump. It was poorly received in the hall, it

:30:53.:30:56.

may not have been good for Ted Cruz, a lot of people saw it as part of

:30:57.:31:00.

his very politically calculating persona. It would be better for

:31:01.:31:04.

Trump to seemed to be the consensus choice of the entire party. There is

:31:05.:31:10.

no way he can claim to be that after the speech that Ted Cruz gave. What

:31:11.:31:14.

is your sense of how the convention has gone, how well it has served

:31:15.:31:19.

Trump and his campaign? It has been an astonishingly bad convention for

:31:20.:31:23.

Donald Trump. Normally they are a free infomercial to the American

:31:24.:31:27.

people, you get all this prime-time television real estate to make the

:31:28.:31:30.

positive case for your party your candidacy. Instead of that being the

:31:31.:31:35.

message, there has been one mess up after another from convention

:31:36.:31:41.

logistics, the potential First Lady speech, Ted Cruz's speech last night

:31:42.:31:45.

and many other small, small things, where the message that the campaign

:31:46.:31:50.

would like to be putting forward to the American people has really got

:31:51.:31:55.

and stepped on. If people wanted to be reassured about to Donald Trump,

:31:56.:31:59.

that he was a normal, credible candidate, a unifying candidate,

:32:00.:32:04.

that is not what they saw in these last few days. That is the essence

:32:05.:32:08.

of Trump, anyone else, you would expect to unify and bring the party

:32:09.:32:13.

together, try to leave this on a positive note. Donald Trump has done

:32:14.:32:16.

everything differently over the last 18 months. He has shown you can

:32:17.:32:20.

break all the rules and still win. Can he go into this presidential

:32:21.:32:25.

campaign with a divided party and still win? It's not impossible.

:32:26.:32:28.

A Russian spy dressed as a sewerage worker,

:32:29.:32:31.

infiltrating supposedly secure scientific laboratories

:32:32.:32:32.

A fake mouse hole drilled through a wall to facilitate

:32:33.:32:40.

the swapping of said samples with untainted, um, liquids.

:32:41.:32:45.

Just two of the revelations thrown up by the World Anti-Doping Agency's

:32:46.:32:48.

recent report into a massive state-sponsored doping programme.

:32:49.:32:53.

Earlier this evening I spoke to Sir Craig Reedie,

:32:54.:32:56.

chief executive of the agency - known as Wada - about how it

:32:57.:32:59.

But I began by asking him about today's Court of Arbitration

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for Sport decision to uphold the ban on Russian track and field athletes

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from next month's Olympics in Rio and whether it was now likely

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that there would be no Russian involvement whatsoever in the Games.

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I'm afraid that's the one question I can't give

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Because the International Olympic Committee is the major event

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organiser, which under the world anti-doping code, has

:33:28.:33:30.

the responsibility to take these decisions.

:33:31.:33:33.

My information is that we will be discussing that, if not deciding

:33:34.:33:36.

How, in particular, if an organisation like the world

:33:37.:33:45.

anti-doping agency even exists can you have such an astonishing scale

:33:46.:33:48.

If you go back to the first really public allegations,

:33:49.:34:00.

which came from the German television programme in December

:34:01.:34:04.

2014, that exposed a really surprising degree of breaches

:34:05.:34:08.

of regulation in Russia and specifically track

:34:09.:34:10.

What has shocked most people and certainly surprised us

:34:11.:34:22.

is that the investigation conducted by Richard McLaren indicates

:34:23.:34:28.

an alliance between the Ministry of sport in the country and Moscow

:34:29.:34:33.

laboratory to an extent that there is complete

:34:34.:34:37.

It certainly shocked us and I don't think there's much doubt that it

:34:38.:34:44.

I understand why everybody else would be shocked,

:34:45.:34:57.

I'm still a little unclear on how the World Anti-doping

:34:58.:34:59.

Agency could have been taken by such surprise.

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There was a very complex and very well organised organisation,

:35:02.:35:04.

to deal with Russian athletes, in particular.

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So that clean urine could be substituted for dirty urine.

:35:09.:35:12.

This could be done in the middle of the night, at the laboratory.

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To the best of my knowledge, we've had no experience of this

:35:16.:35:18.

happening at an accredited laboratory before.

:35:19.:35:21.

Of course, except people might worry that to the best of your experience,

:35:22.:35:28.

it could have been going on for ages all over the place.

:35:29.:35:31.

It's only now that you've spotted this one.

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I concede that is a possibility but we have no evidence of that

:35:34.:35:38.

The other significant issue here which has worried

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us substantially since the allegations appeared

:35:48.:35:50.

was the ability to open the otherwise secure bottles

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That is a very sophisticated operation, clearly organised

:35:53.:36:00.

and conducted, we are told, by the FSB, the Russian

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We have no information that any country in the world has had

:36:03.:36:10.

Final question, Russia is supposed to be hosting the World Cup

:36:11.:36:17.

I appreciate it is not your immediate field of expertise

:36:18.:36:24.

but just as a personal overview, is that acceptable?

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We are talking about state-sponsored doping.

:36:28.:36:37.

The state that sponsored doping is supposed to host the World Cup.

:36:38.:36:41.

You run the world anti-doping agency, I want to know

:36:42.:36:43.

whether you think that state is a fit and proper place

:36:44.:36:46.

If the World Cup was starting tomorrow, I think there would be

:36:47.:36:51.

The state having been absolutely involved in what has been happening

:36:52.:37:01.

over the last four years must be well aware of the difficulties

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I think Fifa would want to know and would want to see

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Work has been done but it is slower than it need be.

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I hope it accelerates and Russia can reform.

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Sir Craig Reedie, many thanks.

:37:21.:37:21.

Parliament broke up for the Summer today, but not before

:37:22.:37:28.

the Government had availed itself of the opportunity to slip out some

:37:29.:37:31.

news that they might have been hoping would go unnoticed.

:37:32.:37:34.

Well, they didn't reckon upon our policy editor Chris Cook's

:37:35.:37:41.

The single biggest thing that has come out, so big that you could see

:37:42.:37:51.

it from space, enormous problems in the NHS. We have news of NHS

:37:52.:37:55.

accounts which showed huge holes. The National office of bean counters

:37:56.:38:00.

have said they are very worried about future finances. We have this

:38:01.:38:04.

extraordinary document called Strengthening Performance And

:38:05.:38:10.

Accountability In 2016. It is astounding. The first thing is that

:38:11.:38:16.

this document proposes a degree of command and control from the centre

:38:17.:38:20.

of NHS hospitals other like we have not seen for a very long time.

:38:21.:38:23.

Things like the amount that hospitals are on staff, they propose

:38:24.:38:28.

to control. Hospitals that do not do as they say, they will take cash of

:38:29.:38:33.

them. The second thing is that coming health service terms, there

:38:34.:38:38.

is a holy Trinity. You can change the finances of the NHS, you can

:38:39.:38:42.

change the College of services, you can change how long people have to

:38:43.:38:45.

wait to get services. If you move any one of those things, something

:38:46.:38:49.

else has to move, you have to put more money in, make people wait

:38:50.:38:53.

longer or whatever else. They are absolutely prioritising getting

:38:54.:38:55.

finances back in order. They don't really mind about waiting lists.

:38:56.:39:03.

Quality ranks number two. The final extraordinary thing about the

:39:04.:39:06.

document, it is amazingly optimistic. Hospitals that are

:39:07.:39:09.

really struggling on finances, where all of the indicators are going in

:39:10.:39:13.

the wrong direction, they are going to turn around in the next few

:39:14.:39:16.

months. I would bet, based on this, we will see a reasonable sized

:39:17.:39:19.

bailout for the NHS in the Autumn Statement. I don't see how they can

:39:20.:39:24.

make it work otherwise. Many thanks indeed.

:39:25.:39:26.

The British people have spoken and the answer is - we're out.

:39:27.:39:32.

I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it.

:39:33.:39:39.

A political landscape, changed forever.

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I know that virtually none of you have ever done

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The Scottish Parliament should have the right

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Yet another of those talents was on display yesterday,

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