28/07/2016 Newsnight


28/07/2016

Kirsty Wark with reports on the nuclear plant at Hinkley Point, which is nearing approval, Germany's response to its recent terror attack, and Hillary Clinton's upcoming speech.


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A big, shiny deal for a new nuclear power station, Hinkley C,

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has just been signed after years of delay.

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-- not quite yet. EDF has signed but now the Government says it needs to

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think it over. This delay seems to have come as a surprise to one EDF.

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I will be asking a local MP whether it will ever be switched on.

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TRANSLATION: They want to damage our way of life,

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our openness and, yes, our readiness to take

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Angela Merkel stands firm on Germany's refugee policy

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after the spate of terrorist attacks but promises more security measures.

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There has never been a man or a woman, not me, not Bill,

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nobody more qualified than Hillary Clinton

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to serve as President of the United States of America.

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After the monumental build-up, Hillary Clinton will wow the room.

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But what does she have to do to wow a very divided country?

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We'll be joined by two women, who have watched her every step

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and misstep, Tina Brown and Jill Abrahamson.

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Finally, after years of delay, this evening, EDF agreed the deal on

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Hinkley Point C. Now there is a glitch. Theresa May's new government

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wants some thinking time. The parties have been postponed and

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media interviews cancelled. What is the alternative? There is no other

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scheme on the table. This one has been complex and fraught enough.

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Now, the consortium of EDF and a Chinese company are ready to go.

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There have been worries over the EDF debt and the deal involves a 35 year

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contract to pay EDF ?92 50 for each megawatt hour of energy it

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generates, more than double the present cost. Helen Thomas is with

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us. There was commitment to nuclear but the Government wants to consider

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carefully all the component parts of this project. The decision is now

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pushed back to the early autumn. The official line is this is not a

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delay, a rethink. This is a new Prime Minister, the new Secretary of

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State wanting to make sure they are on top of all the details. This was

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not expected. What we are being told is this is Theresa May, the new

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Prime Minister, stamping her authority on these really big,

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confiscated decisions. It is worth saying there is some suggestion she

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discussed this with President Francois Hollande in Paris but it

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did seem to come as a surprise to EDF this evening. They had a full

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day of media interviews and so on plant. That is all off. -- planned.

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The board of French utility EDF has approved building and ?18 billion

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new nuclear power station at Hinkley Point in Somerset.

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French unease over the project continues with one board

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member resigned today ahead of the vote.

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The Government late tonight seemed to put the brakes on the project.

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It will make a decision in the autumn.

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Hinkley could be the first nuclear power station built in the UK

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Would it supercharge the UK's energy outlook,

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or are the lights of the country's energy policy flickering?

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The UK needs new generating capacity to replace ageing coal and nuclear

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Then there is increased electricity demand.

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The plan is this comes from a mix of energy sources,

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including renewables and new nuclear power plants.

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And the requirement is about 95 gigawatts of new capacity.

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Remember, the UK Government wants three things from its energy policy.

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It wants security of supply from a range

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It wants low or zero carbon options to help meet climate change goals.

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After all, it is consumers that ultimately end up bearing the cost

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In theory, Hinkley does help meet some of those goals.

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It is big, capable of supplying about 7% of the UK's electricity,

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It is also low carbon and nuclear power is always on the 24 hours

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It should even create thousands of jobs over the ten years

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But the first Hinkley headache is the cost.

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Sure, EDF pays for its construction and takes the risk that it runs late

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But, their incentive is a guaranteed price of ?92.50 per megawatt hour

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for the electricity produced over the 35 year life of the plant.

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That is way above current wholesale electricity prices,

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dragged down by low fossil fuel prices, making up the difference

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was estimated to cost about 6.1 billion when the contract

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was signed back in October 2013, according to the

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Earlier this year, it put the cost of those top

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Well, it will be the most expensive power station that has ever been

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The power that future consumers will pay for will be a very high price.

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What we do know, if Hinkley was operating today,

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it would be producing power, round about two and a half times

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the wholesale price, which means the consumers will be

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paying in a subsidy of about ?1.5 billion a year.

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That does seem a very high price, even taking into account

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the benefits you get full security of supply

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The second worry is more fundamental. Will it work? The type

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of reactor EDF plans for Hinkley is proving the industry conjugated to

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build. The ones in France and Finland are running leers -- years

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late and billions over budget. Maybe EDF has learned valuable lessons.

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The Government boss Max out it for building several more nuclear plants

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after Hinkley means the UK would reap all the benefits. -- the

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Government's wanting to build several more nuclear plants. There

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is a bizarre strategy of allowing several different reactor types to

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be built at the same time we could find ourselves in a few years' time

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with four different reactor types being built by five different

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manufacturers. Even if Hinkley is finishing ten years' time, will it

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be the type of power, the type of technology we actually need? The

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supposed advantage of Hinkley as it provides a of power all the time.

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Actually that is not what the UK wants anymore. It needs flexible

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generating capacity that goes up and down to complement varying amounts

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of wind, solar and hydro coming onto the electricity. Hinkley is

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incredibly unresponsive. You cannot adjust its output. Renewable energy

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currently cannot easily combined renewable energy and Hinkley Point.

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Better energy storage could help smooth out the unpredictable peaks

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and troughs of power supply. In an interconnected world, there is more

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ability to adjust this down when it is tight. Hinkley was meant to like

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the way to a new, modern energy system. The risk is the UK ends up

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with an expensive and outdated piece of kit.

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I'm joined now from Hinkley by its constituency MP,

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Ian Liddell-Grainger, who has been involved in these

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negotiations for the last nine-and-a-half years.

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And also from our Bristol studio by the Green Party's south west

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MEP, Molly Scott-Cato, a patron of the Stop

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good evening to both of you. When did you find out there was going to

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be a delay? I was actually here on site at Hinkley C and we were

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discussing about the various parts to the deal with the team here. We

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got a note saying the Prime Minister wanted to have a look at this and go

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through it in her own way. That must have been a bit of a shock for you.

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I probably should have guessed. Theresa May has her own mindful that

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she has been a very successful Home Secretary. She checks everything. --

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her own mind that she wants to make sure this is right. It is three

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countries. An enormous deal for the United Kingdom, France and China.

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She is checking it, like the Prime Minister should. Very much sticking

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to the party line that she has been a Home Secretary for a long time in

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the Government, so she knew it was coming. -- the party line. This is a

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90,000 page deal. I had done four prime ministers and secretaries of

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state. Amber Road is now the Home Secretary. Obviously, Andrea Leadsom

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is also one of her secretaries of State. She has seen it going across.

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Until you get into the complexities of the deal at this, you do not see

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the whole picture. That is what this lady is doing. This presumably was a

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surprise to you as well. For me, it was a pleasant surprise. It shows we

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have had weak governments over the past six years and this deal has not

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been scrutinised properly. It seems the Prime Minister is getting cold

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feet and I hope she scrutinises the deal carefully. I hope if she does

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that she will see the price is ridiculously high and not the type

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of deal we need for the 21st-century. For all those reasons,

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I think she will be changing her mind about this in the autumn. If

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she does change her mind about it, chances are she will not necessarily

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go for renewables or she may go for another kind of nuclear deal.

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Renewables by far the most advanced technology we can bring on that

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onstream quickly. They were not bring the amount of consistent

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energy needed to make up the 7% desperate they needed in the next

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ten years. Neither will Hinkley. We will not get any electricity from

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Hinkley. Even if the reactor works by 2027. The only technologies we

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have that work are renewables. We need to seriously invest in those

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bring them on stream. That will create far more jobs, about 120,000

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jobs according to a report I commissioned, compared with 500 at

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Hinkley thought that it is better for the economy and better for jobs.

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It is safer and cleaner as a way of producing electricity. Is the

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Government in on this or is there any room for manoeuvre question what

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you have said that Theresa May wants to look over it. What if she wants

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to renegotiate the price at once and other nuclear deal, wants to bring

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another country in? I do not think that is what she's doing. I have

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just spoken to Greg Clark. She is the person she is. Greg Clark has

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briefed her. I am getting in touch with her PPS tomorrow to ask for a

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meeting so I can go through everything. That is not what she is

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doing and it is blatantly obvious. She is wanting to make sure it is

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right. If she is going to do this thoroughly, and make sure it is

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right, you cannot be 100% sure it will go ahead as is because you are

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not suggesting for one minute she might make changes. I wonder what

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Greg Clark actually said to you. He said the Prime Minister will look at

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it and is aware of the situation. She discussed it with President

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Francois Hollande a few days ago but she is one of the people who look at

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everything that is across her desk. That is the way it should be. You

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can say it is the party line but I would say it is a common-sense

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approach. I applaud the Prime Minister. That is strong government

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and not weak government. Just coming back to you on that, there are some

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issues about UDF. In there are issues about this particular type of

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nuclear technology. -- about EDF. Other plants are way behind and over

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budget. Let's just say that renewables are not the possibility

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you wish them to be. Is there another way forward, if it is going

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to be low carbon energy? I cannot really say that. I know that

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renewables can do the job. You are right to draw attention to the fact

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there are problems with EDF. Now the politics is starting to unravel,

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they are using the scheme as a way to recapitalise business. That may

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break European competition rules. The whole deal may itself turn out

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to be illegal. Also what we are seeing as we have not had a proper

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energy policy, a strategic energy policy in this country for several

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decades. Our planners are being left behind when they are reducing

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demand. That is if we just try to match supply of energy with demand

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for energy and also use energy storage a lot better. You heard in

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the film but the problem with the Hinkley Point C project is that it

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cannot actually turn on and off electricity. You heard the

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representative from Switch saying it does not do the job that is needed

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in ten years' time where there will be different flows of electricity.

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There needs to be a more sophisticated form of nuclear

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energy. I'm sorry, I didn't see the film

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because I'm here live at Hinckley. I think you're suggesting we need to

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change to a modular system. I don't think it's the case at all. What

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we're talking about is raw energy, it'll produce enough energy for 7%

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of homes in Britain. It's a big, powerful beast, that's what building

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here and I think we should. I've got confidence, I've spent nine and I

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think we should. I've got confidence, I've spent nine and a

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half over half my time as an MP. I've got faith in it and I think we

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should get on with it. Thank you both very much indeed for joining

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us. The German Chancellor,

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Angela Merkel, today insisted that there would be

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no change in the country's willingness to take in refugees

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after the recent terror attacks. She interrupted her summer holiday

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to return to Berlin and announced new measures to improve security,

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including deciphering web chatter But, despite the fact that the two

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attacks in Bavaria were carried out by asylum seekers, who both

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had claimed allegiance to IS, she was adamant that Germany

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would stick to its principles Munich train station

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was the birthplace of Europe threw up fences,

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Germans welcomed refugees Now, this country is taking a hard

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look at its open border policy after four attacks in the space

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of a week, three of them carried out In the little Bavarian town

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of Ansbach on Sunday, It wasn't the deadliest

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of the attacks, but it was the one with the most chilling implications

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for a country struggling not to give in to fear.

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The bomber was trying to get through this archway here,

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because on the other side There were two and a half

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thousand people here. Witnesses say they saw him pacing up

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and down here, In the end, he came over to this

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terrace here, that's The attacker was the man on the left

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in the red shirt. A Syrian who arrived in Germany two

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years ago via Bulgaria. In 2013, he was interviewed

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on Bulgarian TV talking He was due to be deported

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from Germany back to Bulgaria. Before he blew himself up he pledged

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allegiance to Islamic State. Neighbours said he was friendly

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but quite isolated. Annette and Gabriela live

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on the same street. They got to know Dalil quite well

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through their voluntary In October he had an injured arm,

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and he had an operation. And then I haven't seen him for many

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weeks, and I asked, where is he? And he said, he's in his room,

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he has a laptop now, and he doesn't come out

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of his room that much any more. Did you get the impression

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he was particularly religious? You say that very firmly,

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why are you so sure? Because I know he didn't do Ramadan,

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we talked about that... He was not a soldier

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for IS, not at all. Nee, das ist eine

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Ausrede. A year ago, an army of Annettes

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and Gabrielas came together in an extraordinary

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display of hospitality. But for these two, that

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solidarity has been shattered. Personally, I just told my friend,

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everybody needs to go back home. I'm not willing to go

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out of my way and help, because I'm afraid that your

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friendly, and then actually you turn Did that change for you on Sunday

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was demand on Sunday. Just around the corner we met a man

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who summed up how many people feel. Because there was this

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Willkommenskultur, this welcoming. All of last week's attacks took

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place in southern Germany. A mass shooting

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in a shopping centre. A machete attack near a restaurant,

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as well as Sunday's suicide bombing. More than a million refugees have

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come to Germany since the beginning The majority of them

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through Bavaria. Now, there is talk of

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closing the Borders, Has it changed since

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the attacks of the last week? We don't yet know the extent

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of the impact of all of this on German public opinion,

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but certainly the kind of language we're hearing today is very

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different from what people were saying a year ago, last summer,

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at the height of Willkommenskultur. Even before these attacks,

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support for Angela Merkel's refugee policy was dwindling,

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and now she is under intense political pressure

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from her own coalition partners. The CSU, the centre-right party that

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dominates politics in Bavaria, today said refugees who couldn't

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prove their identity should be Angela Merkel said she would order

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extra security measures, but on her refugee policy

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she is holding firm. TRANSLATION: For me it's clear

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we will stick to our principles. Our principle, which is article one

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of the German constitution, that the dignity of human

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beings is inviolable. And the principles mean we give

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those who are politically persecuted asylum, and we give protection

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to those fleeing war In accordance with the Geneva

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Convention. In Ansbach, investigators are trying

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to work out whether Mohammed Dalil was a member of Islamic State

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from the beginning, or whether his pledge of allegiance

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was a more recent development. The German authorities say Dalil

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was suffering from mental illness. That he had tried and tried

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to commit suicide, and that his psychological treatment

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had been terminated. Juergen Sauer, a psychotherapist

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who works with asylum seekers, says many are traumatised,

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and that bureaucratic hurdles often mean they can't

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get the help they need. We know all these people

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who went to the hospital because they wanted to commit

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suicide, they get for 1-2 weeks the support, and then they are sent

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again into life without support. It might be really a relationship

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between this lack of treatment In other words, there may

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be others out there. Many are now asking

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an uncomfortable question. Has the open border policy

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made Germans vulnerable? In Ansbach, the local priest

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was having dinner with his family when he heard the bomb go off just

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outside his church. TRANSLATION: What happened

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here in the past week, of course, it's doing

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something to us. But if we split, if we turn

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against each other, if we reject people who are in need,

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then something really And yet the week's deadliest attack

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had nothing to do with refugees. Munich's Muslim community held

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prayers at the site of Friday's attack, when a German-

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Iranian teenager with a history of depression opened fire

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in a shopping centre. He killed ten people,

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including himself. He shouted antiforeigner slogans,

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and followed the Norwegian Had he been white, this

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would have been interpreted as a far right attack,

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but his heritage means the public gaze is directed back

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to the issue of immigration. As the spectre of terrorism

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casts its shadow deeper into Europe, these are fearful and confusing

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times for Germany. Joining me now from Cologne

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is German MP Norbert Spinrath, European Affairs spokesman

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for the SPD Party, who are in coalition

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with Angela Merkel's CDU/CSU. Good evening, Mr Spinrath. Good

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evening from Cologne. A survey said the majority of the SPD believe

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Angela Merkel's refugee policy had failed. I do not think that it

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failed. The social Democratic party as a coalition partner of Chancellor

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Merkel stays to her policy for refugees. I think there is no link

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from the refugees to the attacks of the last days. We saw a mass murder,

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mass shooting, without any link to terrorist attacks. We saw a refugee

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who arrived two years ago in Germany. He was ill, he had

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depressions, he was a mystic, I think that was not a normal

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terrorist attack. -- he was brain sick. If two refugees are involved

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in such attacks, when you have 2 million refugees in the last 18

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months, it is not to be called a link between those. But we heard

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from people in the film who were very welcoming originally feeling

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they were going to pull back. One MP in Angela Merkel's own party has

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said it's all very well to have the welcome culture, but we need the

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farewell culture where failed asylum seekers are moved out of the country

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more quickly, do you agree with that? I think we have two I -- have

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to observe. We have to see that 99% of very normal people... They need

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protection. They came to us to look for protection. They are happy they

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can be here, far away from their homeland, where there is war, or

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other things. I think we have to look very strong on those they are

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failing in their role. And we have to take measures. We have a large

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catalogue what we want to do in future. I wonder if you think what

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has happened in Germany is quite different to what is happening in

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France. Manuel Valls, the French Prime Minister, has said people will

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have to learn to live with the terrorist threat, is it the same for

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Germany? Yellow no, we don't want to live with the

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terrorist threat, we want to make sure our people, our inhabitants,

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that they are secure in Germany, and that the police Administration, the

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police forces, and other administrations, we'll do anything

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to give them security. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just wonder if you

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think there is any validity in the calls some people are making in

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Germany for a pause. Just to calm things down, rethink, sort out

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security better, then restart allowing refugees. What do you think

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about that possibility? I think most of the people... And I spoke to a

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lot of them. Most of the people say there is a link. We have to deal

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with it, operate a lot of measures. Do anything for my security, that

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says the people. The people are not in that fear that a few politicians

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want to mention. Mr Spinrath, thank you very much indeed.

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In just over four hours, Chelsea Clinton will introduce her

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mother at the Democrat National Convention in Philadelphia.

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And all the speeches from Meryl Streep's opening scream,

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to Michelle Obama's brilliantly crafted words, from Bill Clinton's

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folksy homage, to Barack Obama's ringing endorsement have been

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leading to this moment when Hillary Clinton takes the stage.

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The problem is, is the whipsmart, dedicated, loyal, honest woman

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they portray the one that the voters see.

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The faithful are in the hall, but the sceptical threaten

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I'm asking you to join me and reject cynicism and reject fear.

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The situation is worse than it has ever been before!

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Don't let anyone ever tell you this country

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The other campaign looks based on fear. Of immigrants, terrorism and

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economic decline. The 2016 presidential election feels

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like a choice. For what was traditionally a nation

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of optimists. Between two diametrically

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opposed narratives Hope and fear are not

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new things in American Back in 1968, Richard Nixon's

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campaigns were set against a The Vietnam War, and

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the assassinations of Martin Luther King

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and Robert Kennedy, and widespread rioting

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in Nixon was the fear

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candidate and his strategy As we look at America, we see cities

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enveloped in smoke and flames. We hear Simon is the night. We see

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Americans dying on distant battlefields abroad.

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Our convention occurs at the moment of crisis for

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The attacks on our police and the terrorism of our

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cities threaten our very way of life.

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Donald Trump and his team have

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been clear they see 1968 and present-day

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They look to Nixon's campaign for inspiration.

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If you look at 1968, the Democratic president was

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I think Lyndon Johnson was in the 30s, maybe the 20s.

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It is maybe slightly ticking up after having

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American troop casualties were very high in 1968.

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There is really nothing comparable to that now.

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Don't get cynical because, look at yourselves...

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The Nixon and Trump campaigns are a far cry from Ronald

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Reagan's vision of America in the 1980s.

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Wanted to be a shining city on a hill.

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One obvious way of measuring hope or fear is consumer

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One rule has held fast since the 1980s.

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When consumer confidence is above 100

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points, the incumbent party wins the popular vote.

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2012, that rule was broken. President Obama won despite economic

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gloom. Today, consumer confidence is at 97. The Democrats and Republicans

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disagreeing on everything, it is possible that can -- consumer

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confidence may be affected by Republicans thinking the cupboard is

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bare simply because there is a democratic president. Republicans

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thinking it is good because there is a Democratic president. It may not

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mean what it used to put it is difficult to surf this stuff out. I

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still believe in a place called Hope. It is worth remembering that

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while Bill Clinton and Barrett Obama whether recent optimism candidates,

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despite the rhetoric for many Americans right now, it is this man

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who is offering hope, a chance to change their fortunes. That may be

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difficult to resist. Joining me now are Jill Abramson

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from the Guardian US and Tina Brown Good evening to both of you. First

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of all, Tina Brown, hearing what Katie was saying. The problem is

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Barack Obama talks about America being great. A lot of Americans do

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not think America is a great for them and they do not feel to this --

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optimistic. She has -- they have to counter the idea that Donald Trump

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is the candidate of hope. There is as much psychic gloom, emotional

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gloom, as there is economic gloom in large swathes of America who feel

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left behind and left out of the big dream and left on the shelf, not

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considered, talked down to by the elite. Those are the people who

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Donald Trump is speaking to. What we have seen is the majority of

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Americans have said America is not on the right track. More than half

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of the Americans have said they want the candidate of change. Most of

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them feel Hillary Clinton is not the candidate for change. They also feel

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that Donald Trump is my changes may be for the worse. That leaves us in

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a fascinating situation. Everyone wants change and Trump is the change

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candidate. Everyone was trying to stress that Hillary Clinton was a

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candidate for change. That was the theme of Bill Clinton's song. Like

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Tina Brown, you know Hillary Clinton, at least partly from

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close-up and partly from a distance. The problem is she does lead into

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the idea that she is part of the elite and actually she has some very

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tricky stuff which may well then resurfaced in the next four months.

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How does she counter that? Well, you have heard some of the rhetoric

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already during this week in the convention, where many speakers have

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labelled her the change maker. She is trying to portray herself as an

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agent of change, which you are right, is quite tricky, considering

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she has been a Washington figure for generations. -- a generation. Going

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back to when she was first lady in 1993. Just to come in on that, the

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recent CNN poll, when it talks about trustworthiness and honesty, 68% say

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Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy versus 43% on Trump.

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That is devastating at this stage of the game. It is devastating but I

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have written that, based on supervising investigative stories

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about her at the New York Times, as an investigative reporter myself,

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looking into many of the Clinton controversies, I think she is

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basically honest and trustworthy. Many of the charges against her at

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the Republican convention, people chancing lock her up. It is

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extremely exaggerated. Even though most recent e-mails, when you

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actually examined the case against her, it came down to three e-mails

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that did not have clarified headers. She is hurt by that. She is hurt by

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that but she blames the media. She is very distrustful of the media and

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hostile to them. Very defensive about the media. With good reason.

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Hillary Clinton has been demonised for decades and decades and decades

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by the GOP, the Republican attack machine, and these nonevent pseudo-

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scandals in a sense which have bedevilled her. A leading Republican

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person is said to me last night, Hillary Clinton has baggage but

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Trump is crazy and you cannot fix crazy. Interesting that Michael

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Bloomberg last night, himself a billionaire, the businessman

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candidate, he really made the point that Trump is a reckless candidate.

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As we go towards an election, it is about whether the petty and

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trustworthiness of Hillary Clinton will be as dangerous in her mind as

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a reckless, radical, off the wall candidate. You have to accept you

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think that and a lot of people in the big cities think that. In great

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swathes of America, they think that Trump is the best candidate. On

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radio, you are talking about what she had to do in the campaign a new

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city had to show her true self, to be stern and release her inner

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pitch, as you called it. Is this really the night for that? I think

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you have already seen a little bit of that in men talking about her.

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They stressed the fighter in Hillary Clinton. It was almost as if Hillary

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Clinton is supposed to be be solid, national-security candidate last

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time, this time she is being positioned as the cuddly

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grandmother. The truth of Hillary Clinton is she is a feisty, BS

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women, who fights the change. I think it will be a lot more

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appealing, particularly to the young, the Lenny women, who want to

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see their women are fierce. -- millennial. It is more authentic

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than anything we have heard before. What we have heard in a well crafted

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speech written for Michelle Obama and Obama and Clinton were both

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orators. She is not an oratory, so I wonder how she is going to deal with

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this. She has said she is not a natural politician like her husband.

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In terms of her feistiness and, to use her phrase, we saw that in the

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primaries with the great speech in San Diego. You could see how she

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relished attacking Donald Trump on important points. She is nearly

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ready to go out there and really get in his face. She herself is kind of

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delights in the fact she's so she clearly gets under his skin. Tina

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Brown, in a way, what we are talking about is the night this convention

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finishes, the big fight starts between the pair of them. Things are

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going to get very dirty. In the swing states you are very have to

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that is she will have to play a very careful game. Hillary loves a fight.

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At her best is when her back is against the wall. During the last

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primary campaign, and now, she is in the thick of it. She will be buoyed

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up by all of these testimonies after being so battered. It must be very

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exciting for her to hear these wonderful testimonies from so many,

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incredibly strong figures in the Democratic party. She will put on

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her fighting boots. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank

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you. The front pages tomorrow, chaos over

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nuclear plant. Ministers done energy industry with new Hinkley review. On

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the left-hand side, rail fares to -- rail firms to cut fares on

:39:02.:39:05.

investigation. Last orders for airport drinking. An intention to

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make passengers pay for unruly behaviour. In the Guardian, Hinkley

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Point nuclear plant gets the go-ahead. On the right-hand side, it

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has a hug from last night at the convention as Hillary Clinton made a

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surprise appearance before tonight's B.

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Today Sky announced that they were launching a big push

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We feel like we've seen this new fangled nonsense before.

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I think this was the happiest day of my life.

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Thursday was another warm day in the south. Fresh condition is now

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pushing in from the north. This weather

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