08/08/2016 Newsnight


08/08/2016

Newsnight exclusively reveals how much the government's troubled families programme really achieved. Plus Labour's High Court row and the view from Rio from the sofa.


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It was the big idea for repairing broken Britain

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The Troubled Families Programme - dealing with neighbours from hell,

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turning lives around. Tonight, we can tell you whether our money

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Councils said they were getting 99% success rates in the programme.

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We have seen the official assessment and it makes for grim reading.

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In effect, it achieved nothing at all.

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We'll ask David Cameron's Youth and Crime Advisor how and why

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Jeremy Corbyn's re-election chances improved today, when Labour's new

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But did his much bigger victory lie in the new National Executive

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members, like this one, who were elected today?

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And finally, sofa surfing Rio's Olympics.

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Steve Smith and Will Self sit on tonight's Throne of Games.

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I do not know if you have emotional crescendo is like that when you

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writing. When you calling a good metaphor, you punch the air. As if I

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have beaten other matter for writers. -- metaphor.

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On this night five years ago, 2011, riots were erupting

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What had started as local trouble in Tottenham had triggered a chain

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reaction of violence, theft and destruction.

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For a lot of us, it was a shock to think that lawlessness

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An indication of a broken Britain, perhaps.

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The then newish Prime Minister, David Cameron, was determined to get

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a grip, and among the big ideas for preventing a repeat, was to pour

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money into something called the Troubled Families programme.

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Hundreds of millions of pounds aimed at turning the lives

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round of 120,000 families, who were said to have

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What a difference it could make, to sort out the really bad apples

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It seemed like a good idea, so how did it go?

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Our taxes have paid for an official assessment,

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but the Communities Department has sat on it for almost a year.

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But worse than that is that the Troubled Families programme

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Five years ago tonight cities and towns across the country were

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wracked by violence and looting. The government 's headline response to

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the virus that hit streets across the UK like the one behind me here

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in Salford, was the so-called Troubled Families Programme. The

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idea was there would spend around ?400 million assisting around

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120,000 families with difficulties. Then this was extended and

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eventually a further 400,000 families would be held at a cost of

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a further ?900 million. The scheme would eventually cost ?1.3 billion

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and help half a million families. But there's one problem. Newsnight

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has exclusively learned the government is suppressing evaluation

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of Troubled Families Programme which suggest that the scheme simply has

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not been working. Newsnight spent time with one family

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on the scheme in Greater Manchester a few years ago. This family thought

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it helped them but it seems their experience may not be the norm. Last

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autumn the local government department received its own

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evaluation. The official analysis is seen by Newsnight found no

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discernible impact on the percentage of adults claiming out of what

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benefits, either 12 or 18 months after starting on the programme. It

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found participation did not have any discernible impact on adult

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offending was up there was no detectable impact on child offending

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and any impact that the programme had on truancy was not robust. So

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what was it actually supposed to do? This was meant to deal with people

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who had not been at work, who were causing problems on the streets and

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costing the state a large sum of money. The solution really was to

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try to bring all the different disciplines together, social

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services, police, probation, even the Fire Service, together to deal

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with for one person to deal with one family and tried to get the kids

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into school. People into work and the amount of call-outs by the

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police reduced. Newsnight has previously raised concerns about the

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design of the Troubled Families Programme. It is not actually a

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scheme aimed at dealing with the kinds of people who took part in the

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Luiten for example this shop here in Manchester back in 2011. Rather each

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local authority was simply set a target number of families with

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multiple disadvantages that they had defined in the local area and work

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with. Hope was they could be turned around. But in the troubled families

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jargon, turned around is a funny idea. You can for example be deemed

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to have been turned around even if your family still has kids playing

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truant and committing crimes, just so long as they're committing fewer

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crimes and playing a bit less truant before.

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The payment system was also odd. Councils got ?3000 for each family

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on the scheme. And a bonus ?800 if they were deemed turned around.

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There were strong incentives for councils to claim successes. So

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Manchester City Council here found and worked with 2385 troubled

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families. And you will never guess how many they turned around, all

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2385. A 100% success rate. The same as they had in Salford, they turned

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around all 835 of their troubled families. 100% success rate, not

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something you normally see in social policy but something that you see a

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lot in troubled families. This analyst is one of many who was

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puzzled over previous claims of 99% success rate is nationally for

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troubled families. When you look at the published data you have these

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high percentage success rates, it just does not look right and when

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you dig deeper, you look at the published figures and numbers

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published in data releases and compare that to the data which local

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authorities hold, and I did that through Freedom of information

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requests. You find the significant differences in terms of

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straightforward things, basic monitoring. The number of families

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worked with, I found huge discrepancies between what they told

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me in freedom of information requests and what was published.

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What you say to people who have concerns about these high success

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rates? I have visited Salford and it was a slick organisation in terms of

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bringing people together in the same room. And they started to bear down

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on individual families. I would not be surprised at height 90% and in

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Salford, not at 100. But the official evaluation feels a long way

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from 100% access anywhere. Civil servants they had it been positive,

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it would have been published. But the government denies that the

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report has breast, stating that there were several strands to the

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evaluation work commissioned by the last government and is not yet a

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final report. The troubled families policy targeted resources at people

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who do need help. It is just not clear that it worked.

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Note that it was not ridiculous to target efforts at families

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It was not stupid to think that giving them proper attention,

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a caseworker in charge might be better than sporadic

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interventions from police or schools or social workers.

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We did ask the Government for an interview but were turned down.

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Instead, I'm joined by Shaun Bailey, who was David Cameron's Advisor on

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Good evening. When you saw those 99% success rate is coming back from

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local authorities, did you think you could take them seriously? I thought

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there could be different between what workers on the ground felt that

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any progress would look like a success and other things web local

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authorities were under serious pressure and saw it as a way of

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bringing new money into the work. But social policy at 100% success,

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it would be a first. And they were being paid for declaring themselves,

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marking their own homework and saying that they had turned them

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around. Of course, you do not have to be worldly wise, to know it is

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nonsense. In their defence as local authorities these families would be

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known to you. And to have the ability to spend more time and more

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money would probably feel like some kind of success. So they may have

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felt they achieved something. Last year the Prime Minister said, I can

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announce today, this is David Cameron, almost all of the 170

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families that we began to work with have now been turned around. Was he

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deluding himself or just trying to lighten the load? I think people are

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excited about the change. I have worked in this arena for a long time

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and can see how the finances gave a new impetus, there was new energy on

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the ground. Louise Casey was no nonsense in giving people what they

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thought was the go-ahead to do it. No nonsense, but this is complete

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nonsense. We are just been told complete and total nonsense, told

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but 99% success rate, these are like elections in the former Soviet

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Union. We have a serious analysis... Firstly I would say the analysis,

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the government set out to do that analysis and that allows them to

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move forward in the right direction. What must be stressed, no government

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until this one had come up with a coherent idea about moving these

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people on. You must remember that this is a massive cost to taxpayers

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and also it is about changing lives around because we cannot have a

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situation where we just accept that. So for the government to champion

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this and enjoy what may have been not quite as much success as they

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had been led to believe, I could see why that happened. No success, no

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detectable, measurable effect as opposed to the 99% success rate is

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that the Prime Minister told us. Did he know when he said almost all of

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the families had been turned around, did he know that they had not been?

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He would be acting from the statistics he was given, I cannot

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sit and defend what went on in the reporting, but what the government

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must not give up on now is this policy. We do have to focus on these

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sets of people. What is interesting, looking at a Democratic --

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demographic board of view, most people in that demographic work hard

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for the families so we have got to find a way of helping these few. By

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creating something which was effectively windowdressing, the

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Troubled Families Programme, where they did not use real criteria to

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find these families and to determine what help to give them, you have

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taken what seems like a good idea and basically discredited it. I

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completely disagree. The analysis that gave these figures, it

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identified the correct things. Where are your analysis was wrong, this

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was far bigger than the people involved in the riots. And many of

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those who were involved in the writing would not have been flagged

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up as a troubled family. The analysis was correct and it showed

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there was no silver bullet to address these families but we must

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try. And the statistics show we must continue to do do do that. But I

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agree that we need to shift the emphasis. Perhaps more sticks and

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carrots. Should the government published the analysis which Chris

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has been giving because the taxpayer, we have paid for this

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analysis, clearly there has been misleading information as to the

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effectiveness of the programme. Why not say dear taxpayer, you can have

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a look at this and assess. You called it brief that they have done

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the analysis, but they did not publish it. I would 100% publish. I

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would published to get the wider community and professionals and

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charities involved. Involved in the next step because there must be a

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next step, and secondly it has been paid for and we cannot just as the

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government for trying a thing to benefit the country. And when it

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does not quite work out then beat them up about the statistics. We

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must take the thing forward. I maintain it was a brave thing to do

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and we should do more of it. But it definitely needs to change.

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The Jeremy Corbyn wing of the Labour Party

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have had a good day - entrenching their hold on the party.

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You might have heard about a High Court judge telling

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the party it can't stop its recently signed-up members from

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getting a chance to vote in the leadership election.

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And there was a second boost, in elections for National

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Corbyn supporters took a little more control.

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Just a few weeks ago the rival factions of Labour spent 48 hours

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battling on the streets encouraging voters to pay a one-off fee. Support

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Jeremy Corbyn. They thought it was too late for people to become new

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members of the party and get a vote that way. But today's court decision

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changes that. Tonight, Jeremy Corbyn welcomed the ruling that allows

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thousands of members who joined Labour after January 12 to take part

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in the ballot. From the judgment that was given today, the judge

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seemed very clear that his decision was that all members of the party

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should have a right to vote in the leadership contest. Surely that has

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to be the right decision. The Labour Party currently has around a

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whopping 500,000 official members. But around 130,000 of them joined

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within the last six months. The NEC ruled they wouldn't get a vote in

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the leadership contest. The only way they could is if they paid an extra

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?25 to become registered supporters. Now there's 130,000 back in. Labour

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looks likely to have to repay the ?25 fees any of them paid to become

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registered supporters. The The case for me and others was all about

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fairness and equality and inclusion in the political process. Unfairness

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being the main reason. It seemed very perverse that the Labour Party

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should manipulate the rules to exclude nearly a quarter of its

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membership. Yet at the same time offer memberships to those who could

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afford to pay the ?25. Current polling puts Corbyn ahead in the

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race. But whilst most agree the majority of more recent members back

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him, it's not clear just how significant allowing them to vote

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will be. Among this group of people who are voting in the leadership

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election, it appears at the moment that Jeremy Corbyn is in prime

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position. But we don't know for sure what this new group will bring to

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the voting. It's likely, my sense is that they will probably favour

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Jeremy Corbyn. We don't know how many of them have already signed up

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as ?25 members. There's a lot of uncertainty around that. But a lot

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could change as Owen Smith becomes better known. It was at a closely

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split NEC meeting last month that the decision was take ton bar recent

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party members from voting. The NEC is changing. Results in its election

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out tonight showed victories for Corbyn supporters. The current NEC

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has decided to appeal against today's court ruling. The Shadow

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Chancellor, John McDonnell, described that as a deeply

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disappointing decision Ayrad small clique of people behind closed

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doors. I don't think it's right for John or I to interfere in the ruling

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body of the Labour Party. It's for them to choose what they're going to

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do, whether they're going to appeal the ruling or not. Whatever the

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rules are, I'm just going to play by them and continuing to make my case.

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Some people see the NEC decision as effectively a deliberate attempt to

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disenfranchise Corbyn supporters. We don't know that's the case. I know

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lots of moderates were signing up to vote against Corbyn as well. It cuts

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both ways. The party has the right to appeal. Surely it should stand by

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the considered decision and the democratic decision that its ruling

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body took. That, if there's an appeal process, that could delay the

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whole leadership contest. People are saying that the appeal process would

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be dealt with, it could be in court as early as Thursday. Owen Smith has

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called for an extension of the leadership contest. But the whole

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process is getting rather messy. The more these internal rifts are played

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out in public, the harder it will be for the party to eventually come

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together. And the less time they have to focus on holding the new

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Conservative Government to account. Well, let's discuss the day's events

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now with Claudia Webbe, who was today elected

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to Labour's NEC. Also with us are the columnist

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and former advisor to Tony Blair, John McTernan, and the journalist

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and author, Rachel Shabi. If I can start with you, if I may,

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Claudia, look, it's been posseted as a kind of the hard left getting more

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of a grip on the party, today's NEC election. Is that how you see it?

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No, what I see is that what we've got now is to have an opportunity

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for a powerful voice for ordinary party members. I've been located to

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represent the voice of ordinary party members, the constituency

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Labour Party around the country and ensure that ordinary members get a

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say in the running and working of the Labour Party. It's about

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enabling that voice and that influence to be heard, to be

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recognised and to be supported. But what's - how would you like the NEC

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to change? What do you think of the way the NEC has been operating? How

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would you alter it? If I was on the NEC at the time it was making

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decision that's related to the voice of ordinary party members, the whole

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notion that we've had where members have not been able to, for example,

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vote in the forth coming leadership election, because of the ruling of

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the NEC, clearly, I would not be voting that way or I would not be

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directing the National Executive Committee to diminish the voice of

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ordinary party members. It's important that of those 33 members

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that rule the Labour Party that the voice of ordinary party members has

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much more of a say. You have to recognise that things have changed

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since Jeremy Corbyn became leader. There's been a huge increase in

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party membership. We're now at 500,000, half a million, members.

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Probably the largest party in the UK, if not western Europe. That

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voice therefore, that increase in voice of the members needs to really

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come through and be reflected. Thank you very much. Let's turn to the

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other two of you, if I might. John, isn't it obvious now that your wing

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of the party has lost control of the steering wheel. The other side have

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pushed you out of the way. They've got the wheel. They're going to

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drive the car in the direction they want. It's very hard to see how

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you're going to get it back, at least for a couple of decades.

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People who want to see a Labour Government, people like me who

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support clause one of the Labour Party, about being a Parliamentary

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party that wins power, today's a set back for us, the NEC elections are

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disastrous, as is the High Court ruling. There's no doubt in my mind

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that a Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour Party with the kind of focus it's

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got now is not focussed on electability, on winning power, or

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winning elections. It may not take two decades, it's certainly going to

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take ten years to take the Labour Party back to where it be a

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presentable party. Do you agree that it is basically, essentially we've

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had two people wrestling over control and it's resolved in favour

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of the left. I think it's ridiculous to suggest that only one part of

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this equation is interested in electability. Of course Jeremy

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Corbyn and his supporters want to win power back. But do you think

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you're in control now? The left is in control and it's very hard for

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John McTernan to get control back. What I see, if we use the analogy,

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one side of the party taking hold of the steering wheel, of the Labour

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Party, repeatedly slamming it into a wall. Let's look at what's happened

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recently. We've had mass resignations and then the decision

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to have a leadership election, even though we've only just had one. Then

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saying that Jeremy Corbyn couldn't be on the ballot. Then saying that

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Labour Party members couldn't vote for him. Now, we have a High Court

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ruling saying actually, yes those members can vote. And the NEC

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response is to contest that using the Labour Party membership money.

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At what point are they going to say, hang on, we're a democratic party,

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this is not a democratic process any more. The McDonnell quote says it's

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a small clique behind closed doors who have openly expressed their

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opposition to Jeremy. Is it true, isn't it? No, I don't think people

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have been silent about their scepticism about McDonnell and about

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Jeremy Corbyn. They are people opposed to the tradition of the

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Labour Party that wishes to win elections. That's a perfectly decent

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tradition. They just shouldn't be in charge of the party. Jeremy Corbyn's

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poll ratings are some of the worst than any party leader has had. The

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Labour Party is 16 points behind the Tory party. Really, if you're

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judging by results, his Shadow Cabinet are alienated. 80% of the

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Parliamentary Labour Party have to work day in day out with him don't

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trust him and the public don't want to vote with him. That's before the

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IRA support, support for Ken Livingstone's anti-Semitism, all

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those things. We've barely scratched the surface. This is the same

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discussion we've been having for the whole of the summer. The John

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McDonnell quote, a small clique of people behind closed doors, couldn't

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we say that's the same of momentum - Claudia was a Momentum candidate.

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Isn't that what one would say about the clique who've taken over the

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Labour Party? I think that when you hear stuff like that, it just seems

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to be so disconnected from a fundamental change that has taken

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place in politics. Look at the number of people joining the Labour

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Party - half a million. That's amazing. That's the biggest party in

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Europe. That is a signal of change. That's not a clique. That is people

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who have been disconnected from politics for decades and they're now

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re-engaging, re-invigorated and actually want to create change.

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That's not a clique. That's a movement. How do you get to

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represent 500,000, it's basically been supported by momentum, being on

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their ticket and they you get the vote? I've been a Labour member for

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over 30 years. I'm a long standing Labour member. When you look at the

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membership of the Labour Party, it is wide and it is diverse. It is

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reflective of British society. Could you have been elected if you hadn't

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had momentum saying "vote for Claudia". They said who to vote for

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and you all got in. What you saw was a vote for Jeremy Corbyn's ideas and

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policies and the step in the right direction. Members voted last year

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in overwhelming ways for Jeremy Corbyn and that is what, in a sense,

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we're taking forward. Taking forward his ideas, but taking forward

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grass-roots democracy. That's what members chose to have. What is the

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plan as to how you win an election? Because you are behind in the polls.

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You do have a problem, the Shadow Cabinet doesn't trust your leader.

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You have the problem that you have not persuaded people like John that

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this is the man to run the party. Tell us the plan for winning, for

:25:12.:25:15.

victory? First of all, let's get this over with, because it's a bit

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ridiculous saying that the Labour Party's polling has fallen. It's a

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bit like derailing a train, wrecking it and saying, why can't the driver

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drive the train. You can blame them. Now I'm asking - what is your plan

:25:31.:25:36.

for getting the party located? I'm only pointed out - Let's deal with

:25:37.:25:40.

the blame. Put aside the blame. What is your plan. We unite. That's not a

:25:41.:25:44.

plan because it's not going to work. Then you campaign. Then you use your

:25:45.:25:51.

grass-roots movement, half a million people, to canvas, to campaign, to

:25:52.:25:55.

go into communities, to talk to people, to persuade them of the

:25:56.:25:58.

Labour argument. That is the plan, last word to you, because you're

:25:59.:26:02.

part of that plan. You basically have to unite for that plan to work.

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Opposing Trident, leaving the country defenceless, no plan for the

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economy, no answer on immigration or welfare and on top of that, being a

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mate of Ken Livingstone, who has anti-Semitic views, there's no

:26:18.:26:21.

chance that's sellable on any doorstep in the country. Thank you

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all very much. Are you getting into

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the Olympics yet? Sometimes takes a few

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days, doesn't it? But to help you, we have

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our own Stephen Smith. If there was a gold medal

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for couch-surfing, Here's his view from the sofa,

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in Throne of Games. Now Newsnight's Olympic coverage...

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Steven Smith's Throne of Games. Hi there. I'm getting the Newsnight

:26:58.:27:02.

safe house ready for our little feature Throne of Games or the

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Olympics from a sofa. It puts the pick into Olympics. And the "so"

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into sofa. DOORBELL RINGS I'm not alone. This is the Games

:27:15.:27:18.

round up they all want to be apart from... I mean a part of. Here's

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writer and journalist Will Self. There you go Will. Thanks. Thanks,

:27:27.:27:32.

that's great. Welcome to my Throne of Games. Well, there is every

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evidence that you've been engaged in watching some kind of sport. Yes. In

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this room. You picked that up. Yes, I have!

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COMMENTATOR: It's absolutely fantastic. Thomas Pieters takes

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Olympic gold for -- Adam Pieters takes limb -- Peaty takes Olympic

:27:52.:27:57.

gold. I'm aware of just how hard it is to stay afloat.

:27:58.:28:01.

COMMENTATOR: Come on, come on, cop on! Yes we will. He's got it. Two

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world records. He's living the dream. Extraordinary. I don't know

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if you have emotional crescendos like that when you're writing? When

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you coin a particularly good metaphor, you punch the air. Yeah,

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why not. It's hard won. As if I've beaten other coiners of metaphors.

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We can't name people. But Ian McKewon. Nowed so you Ian -- now sod

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you Ian. I have done a bit of fencing in my time. The basic rule

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is to pretend to stab your opponent, yeah? Yes. It's unusual really.

:28:47.:28:51.

Because looking to sport to encourage people in various forms of

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behaviour. Violence. And turn away from violence, you wouldn't have

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thought this was a very good example. You have to bear in mind,

:28:59.:29:04.

there is nothing comparable in the world of culture and the arts to

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this sort of event at all. You're not going to get hours and hours of

:29:11.:29:16.

footage of men and women typing in the run up to the - kind of action,

:29:17.:29:21.

"Oh, look at that sentence! We'll just have to watch that one again."

:29:22.:29:28.

That would be great. What a lovely rhythm the fellow has, yeah. None of

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that. You know Montaigne said mistrust a man who takes games too

:29:37.:29:39.

seriously, it means he doesn't take life seriously enough. You're

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watching Newsnight, the programme that tested positive for a banned

:29:44.:29:45.

sedative. Steve will be back throughout the

:29:46.:29:50.

games. We leave you in Rio,

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with US women's gymnast Aly Raisman, or rather, her parents,

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Lynn and Rick, caught on camera by NBC in

:29:59.:30:00.

the audience as she performed. One can only imagine

:30:01.:30:02.

how it feels to watch. Good evening. Pretty cold up there

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with temperatures down into single figures eyed dawn. Already some

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showers across northern parts of the UK and becoming quite sharp in some

:30:52.:30:57.

places. More southern parts enjoying the brightest spell. Some showers

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across

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