05/09/2016 Newsnight


In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Emily Maitlis. Are we any the wiser about Brexit today? Does Keith Vaz deserve privacy?

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So, is everyone clear about what Brexit means then?


Simply it means leaving the European Union.


Tonight we thought we'd better leave the politicians alone to work out


We've got the Brexit voters instead - what were they all voting for?


And do they like how things are going so far?


And if you haven't all had enough of experts, we've got our own.


What more do we know about the political,


diplomatic and economic direction that Brexit will take?


The chairman of the Home Affairs select committee fights


But is his private life any of our business?


We'll hear from those who think MPs should be held to a higher standard


And did the revolution of the 60s and 70s lay the foundation


I think that the idea was with those guys back then,


that they wanted to connect everybody in the world,


they shouted in the Commons, as our Brexit Secretary David Davis


failed to offer any firmer details on the way ahead.


The Prime Minister, Theresa May, had teed this up to be a moment,


promising a statement that would - after weeks of uncertainty -


set out the Government's strategy for leaving the EU.


David Davis promised his determination to get the best deal


for Britain and a unique agreement, not an off the shelf solution.


This may be so bespoke, so artisan, it may be years in the making.


So tonight, we leave the politicians and return to the voters.


What did Britain's 17 million actually expect to get from Brexit?


And we'll hear from our own experts - if we're still allowed


to call them that - who take us through what needs


to happen diplomatically, economically and politically.


The Prime Minister has told the world that Brexit is on the way, but


die-hard supporters are determined to ensure that the votes of


17-and-a-half million Britons will be safeguarded. The Government's


chief Brexiteer appreciates the need for reassurance. There will be no


attempt to stay in the EU by the back door, no attempt to delay,


frustrate or thwart the will of the British people. No attempt to


engineer a second referendum. Even after a 20 year absence from the


Government front bench the man referred to as the knuckle-duster


knows that he faces a daunting task. There was no triumphalism in


contrast to one of his fellow Brexit campaigners who used the positive


news to launch an attack on their referendum points. Does that not


confirm that the 17 million people who voted to leaf the European Union


in this country know a darn sight more about economics than the


members of the IMF, the OCED and all these other experts who have egg on


their face. He makes his point brilliantly as


always, and I agree with the main thrust of it but let us not get too


optimistic before we close the deal. Perhaps this was prompted by


warnings Theresa May heard at the G20 summit about the Brexit


negotiations but the Prime Minister's intervention in in China


was her adoption of the central commitment of the vote Leave


campaign to take back control of the UK's borders while dropping their


main idea for delivering that. What the British people voted for on the


23rd June was to bring some control into the movement of people from the


European Union into the UK. A points based system does not give you that


Here, then, to talk us through the implications of what's


being said and what isn't being said, Nick Watt, politics,


Helen Thomas, business, Mark Urban, diplomacy.


Let's break this down into four segments -


migration, spending commitments, then economy, then


We will start with that talk of taking control, we have heard that


phrase of Britain's borderers where are we? Slight unease about Theresa


May binning that Australian points system that was one of the main


ideas of the vote Leave campaign. Nigel Farage said he was very


worried about her language, but it is interesting some of the Tory


Brexiteers were more relaxed. I spoke to Iain Duncan Smith, and he


said he agrees the probable with the system is that the Government


doesn't have control. But, he was slightly more suspicious of an idea


that is doing the round in Downing Street, which is perhaps you could


revive the original attention, intentions of the treaty of Rome


which is to restore the free movement of workers, rather than


people, and Iain Duncan Smith was telling me I think you need a work


permit system, this is what he said. Work permits as a control


process, aided and abetted if necessary by the idea


of a points-based sifting system. That allows the UK to decide do


companies and do areas, do we need those skills here,


because we don't have them? If that is the case,


what we are able to say to companies, the UK,


you can recruit from overseas, to a certain degree,


and we will let you have work But in other companies we might


say, in other areas, to a certain degree,


and we will let you have work But in other companies we might


say, in other areas, low skilled perhaps,


and whatever, no, there are plenty Well, that is what controls


over your work permits and borders are about,


deciding who you wanted to have in, The important thing is we,


the UK Government, controls that The other thing we heard so much


about during that campaign was the spending commitments and the pledges


of where the money would go, any news on that? Well, I think we can


officially pronounce the death of one of vote leave's main pledges on


spending which is that the UK would have an extra ?350 million a week to


spend because we would no longer have to pay the EU. David Davis was


asked about this specific issue and he said simply, my job is to give


Parliament control of the money, no mention of any figures but another


pledge which is to match the spending that goes direct payments


to farmers, David Davis said that would happen, that would be covered,


but only until 2020, thereafter, that depends on the success of the


economy. Let us move on the more numbers with


Helen, good economic data, does this alter or shift how you are reading


the economic data that has come from Brexit Brexit? The short-term, the


figures are still good. Today we had this bounce back in services


activity from July to ought, again rexxxx August, reversing the trend


we saw after the vote. The economy isn't exactly booming but the fears


of an immediate meltdown have lifted. But in the longer term


business, just doesn't know where it stands. While we haven't seen any


knee jerk reaction, there are problems, businesses make decisions


years ahead of time, so Nissan will be decided next year where it is


going to build a car that hits the streets in 2020. They will need


answers about the UK's relationship with Europe more quickly than the


Government is moving, the other problem is, as the negotiations


start in earnest, it becomes harder to manage some of the worries so we


have heard that passporting free access to Europe may not be


realistic for the city. What senior bankers have told me is they


immediately hear that and start thinking about the worst case


scenario, so the Government needs to somehow manage these industries's


expectations so they don't hundred down and send investment elsewhere.


Part of that talk is the international trade relation, how


did the G20 leave us, when all the photos are done and dusted. I think


the key take away from G20 in a way is that the wider world is


interested in Brexit, but only so much, out of nine densely typed


pages there are just two sentences on the UK leaving the EU in there,


and this focus, if it begins to wander, because every country has


its own issues, and it is an issue, because if it looks possible from


the positions we are hearing from David day visit we don't want the


so-called Norway option, the full single market membership, we want


access, those types of consideration we were hearing about there, about


banks, passporting, you are then relying on good will and nations


saying yes, you can come and trade here, it is much more complicated


and questionable than the old car equation they want to sell us car,


you know, where you can find acceptable terms of trade quickly,


service is much more tricky, and again, at a conference last week in


Italy, the forum, where we were, we spoke to people there and we heard


passporting that kind of thing is far from certain from UK banks and


they just want Britain to get on quickly, and spell out what we are


seeking, this was the view of a former head of the European Central


After all, the UK is creating the problem,


it is shooting in its own feet, obviously, and has to, you know,


be fully aware of the fact it is necessary to get out


of the uncertain episode in which we are.


And of course, it is also the overall superior interest


of Europe as a whole and of the world, to limit


the uncertainties that have been created by this move.


So that word uncertainty probably not going away any time soon. Thank


There was no manifesto ahead of the EU referendum.


No party pledging policies or promises.


Instead, there was a collection of voices from across the political


divide, offering various scenarios of what Britain could be like,


So what in the end did people vote for?


And how do they think it's going so far?


We talk to Michael Keeble, a retired restaurant manager


from London, Danie Chance, a dental nurse from Nottingham,


Mick Phipps, a barber from Essex, Elaine Sullivan, who runs


a consultancy business near Reading, Martin Bontfort, a retired police


inspector from Boston, Angela Garvin, a PA


A warm welcome to you all. Now we have gone through the formalities we


will get to the chase, I am going to ask you, in a sense for a show of


hands, which of you would prioritise as the reason for voting, this


question of sovereignty, of making our own law, being in charge. All of


you, OK. So if I then said which of you would put as a priority if you


could only choose one thing number, in terms of immigration, controlling


the flow of people into this country, would any of your change


your mind and say that was more important? Think it is going to be


the numbers are going to be detailed depending on the platform we create


for bids, I don't believe that we need to reduce immigration, I


believe we need to create a great platform for businesses to come


here, create job, we might double immigration some years, pull it back


other year, I think you need to act on it more in the smaller sense and


the entrepreneurial sense like a country acting on its own standards


can do. We might find ourself in a good position that way. I think, I


think it is not necessarily we only have to take that number of people,


that number of people, we have to know how many we are taking, and


where we are taking them. If the jobs are there. You don't want to


create... We have a good infrastructure... A maximum wage as


opposed to the minimum wage. So from what you have heard today and you


heard from Nick watt that the points base system is not going to be the


system Theresa May chooses, does that alter anything for you Michael?


We need a points system that is completely in the way that we shape


it. So when they dismiss a points system for Australia, of course,


that is not, they don't have the same requirements as we do. But, if


our points system could choose and pick and allow for ourselves,


then... And adapt as well. Adapt. It is probably more about the economic


side of it, so it is not necessarily having ex number of people that have


met that bar to come in, it is what have we got to offer those people as


they are coming in and how are they going to contribute when they


arrive? OK. Let me pick up with Martin, I know you were worried that


our politicians, you didn't have the confidence our politicians would


sort this out, even if it was a yes to leave vote, did you, do you feel


that things are going well now, better than you expected, worse? I


don't know. I mean, the only thing I think is that the vote that we were


given, that everybody was given was black-and-white, yes or no, in or


out and now we are getting the shades of grey coming in and the


grey areas, and I just don't think that people were aware of that


sufficiently. Do any of you feel that you were duped at all? I mean,


I know you have done your reading, you came into this well-informed, do


any of you feel you were duped about what were told at the time? I think


we will feel that, if... The information and the the information


that you provided with, I think, you know, I think everyone could say


that we were duped into believing certain things. It is good to say


why? A lot of you have had a reaction from other people, to being


Brexit voters, and Danie, what happened to you when the vote was to


leave? Well, because I am in the Labour Party, and I was in mandated


to be Remain, I was vocal about the fact I wanted the leave the EU, and


immediately after the result came in, there was a lot of backlash that


I received from not just people in the Labour Party, but people in


every day life, really. I was branded you know, as racist, and


things like that, and to me, immigration isn't a concern of mine,


mine is more to do with the sovereignty and the democracy, and


being able to govern ourselves rather than you know, having to


listen to someone in the EU. Did anyone else have that experience


of being seen in a different way? Sovereignty of our Parliament. I


mean the response that people had? I think initially it was a band wagon


that people got on. To continue to still be in that place now, those


people are not being optimistic. They're not taking their


opportunities in a changing environment. They need to change.


They need to move on. Do you feel that the rest of the world has


caught up? I mean, Angela, you were undecided right the way through. So,


did you feel very passionate when you went to vote and was it very


clear in your head which way you were going to or could you have gone


either way? Towards the end I was pretty positive that I was going to


vote out. I was undecided to begin with. But the more I did the


research, the more I looked into things, the more I felt that we


could cope and deal with our own, yeah have a positive feeling. It's


really interesting because you're talking about the sense of


confidence and belief, but essentially, the big questions are


still ahead of us all. One of them is this compromise. Somewhere along


the lines, we've all got to choose or the politicians have to choose -


do we want to accept free movement, which could be more people coming in


that we don't have control over, but it might give us that access still


to remain in the single EU market, which one do we think is more


important? As for as I'm concerned, I don't want to pay that price. The


price of free movement. The price of free movement. Who agrees? If it


means free movement... I don't think it will be. Being confident and


optimistic about Great Britain, I think I'd like to see a news report


on the other side of all these other countries, the 160 not part of the


EU going Great Britain come and do business with us. You still think we


can have it all? Yes. A fair amount of it. One of the things you know we


won't have all, you were concerned about spending on hospitals and


schools, that 100 million, that they promised, sounds like it's not going


to the NHS. No. Are you surprised? It didn't surprise me at all. None


of you believed that at the time? No. The slogans were a bit poor.


Negative slogans were poor. It washed over me. It was spin. Do you


think the politicians are on top of this? I think they're going to learn


a massive lesson. I think no-one really knows what to do at the


minute. That's why everything is taking so long. It's going to take


two years to come out of the EU. To be honest, I think that's right,


because we need to get it right. We need to do it well. If it takes -


That's just a figure in itself. It was unexpected.


If we're not coming out till 2019? I expect to come out before 2019. I


think article 60 should be invoked in the first three months of next


year so there is impetus behind their arguments and that there is a


framework on which they can expect to build. There has to be a time


frame. We're waiting for the back to school time table, aren't we? Yes.


Thank you all very much. Echoes of Theresa Mays famous Brexit


line seemed to work for questions When asked if he should step down


from his position as head of the Home Affairs Select Committee,


she replied "What Keith Any decisions he wishes to make


are for him". Keith Vaz, filmed undercover


with male prostitutes and splashed over the papers this weekend,


has threatened to sue the Tory MP, So is this about wrongdoing,


trust or something as nebulous as public opinion and the rights


and wrongs of extra-marital sex? The kind of constituency function


that makes many politicians' toes curl, a tee dance for example, has


never been a problem for Keith Vaz. How are things with you? That's a


very pretty dress. Is that yours? Yes. Here he was woulding voters


some 30 years ago, just before he was returned to Parliament for


Leicester east. The Labour Party candidate is elected as the member


for Leicester east. The first Asian MP in the Commons since colonial


times. We fought on the issues of jobs, housing, education and health.


So I'm absolutely delighted. Keith, a bachelor, lives with his mother in


Leicester. She's a local councillor in his constituency. I was late. I


got back at 2am. Were you awake? I certainly have had representations


from members of the Asian community from every city in Britain and


indeed, from many places outside Britain and I'm conscious of the


fact that my work has to also include their aspirations and their


desires. It was such a significant moment. For us Asians, of course,


that you could, you weren't destined to be the small, quiet shop keeper


for the whole of your life, but also, in terms of the black struggle


and power, and the story of this nation. In all the brickbats slung


at Keith Vaz he's never been accused of being a shrinking violet. When a


Bollywood star drew fans to a signing in Leicester, the local MP


was on hand. All I can say to you, as a former member of Parliament, is


please don't stand in Leicester east. After Tony Blair entered


Downing Street, Vaz, by now married, joined the Government and became


minister for Europe in 1999. Soon he was dogged by controversy. He was


accused of using his influence to help the wealthy Indian Hiduja


brothers gain citizenship. A Parliamentary Standards watchdog


accused him of seekericy. Though he was cleared of benefitting


personally. In 2002, Vaz was suspended from the Commons for a


month over vals allegations against a former senior policewoman. He was


found to have given misleading information to the House Standards


and Privileges Committee. I couldn't bear it that so many of his inner


circle were, in my view, unwholesome, rich Asians and that


sometimes he didn't know, seem to know the boundaries of public


office, but all that, I say, changed in the last decade. I have a final


question for you... It's not quite a variety show. You're providing a


little bit of variety though. Making it more like Dad's Army. Keith Vaz


re-invented himself as the suave and low quashs chair of the powerful


Home Affairs Select Committee. His colleagues have mixed feelings about


his tenure. Too much desire for publicity, it could be said for the


committee, but also for himself. I think to some extent, it undermind,


and I emphasise, to some extent, the credibility of the committee. After


allegations in a Sunday paper, involving Mr Vaz and male escorts,


it's widely expected he'll confirm tomorrow that he's stepping down as


chair of the committee, which has been reviewing prostitution laws. Mr


Vaz says he's referring the matter to his lawyers, calling the role of


the newspaper "deeply troubling". Tonight the former trailblazer is a


figure of ridicule, though he's been around long enough, he's already


read his political obituaries more than once before.


Let's talk about the ethics of the revelations and the questions


of trust with our two Ians - Dale, writer and LBC radio


presenter, and Dunt, editor of politics.co.uk.


Very nice of you to come in. I'm going to give the first question to


whichever of you can tell me what Keith Vaz has actually done wrong.


He's done something wrong for his wife and his family. It is their


business, of course. That's a pretty significant failing. So this is


about private morality then? Insofar as marriage comes into it, it's


private. For us, it is absolutely none of our business and it doesn't


affect his work either as MP or as chair of the Home Affairs Select


Committee. If he were just a backbench MP, Ian would be right.


But he is chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee. I think


higher standards apply there. Having said, that as an electorate we


always say we want politicians to reflect the society we live in. 90%


of the people watching this programme will have done something


in their lives, sexually or not, that they wouldn't like to see -


90%? I bet that's right. In terms of your phone-ins you would say that...


I did a phone-in on this this evening, I would say 80% of the


callers were saying, this is all really unfair. Just let him get on


with it. He shouldn't have to step down. I take a different view in


that it's all very well to say, well, he's involved in these enquire


into prostitution and legalisation or criminalisation of drugs and he


hasn't done anything that's hypocritical. Well he has. The point


of the one on prostitution was to look at whether men should be


criminalised for paying for prostitutes. That's not hypocrisy.


That means he's a consumer of the things that he's investigating. It


came out with a different conclusion that that shouldn't happen. That's


still not hypocrisy. I'm not saying he swayed that committee because of


his own private interests. It matters what the general public


thinks. So it's his position on prostitution that you think is the


key thing? No, it's not just that. If you look at the drugs issue. I


mean, you say he's done nothing wrong. We don't know whether the


allegation that he tried to procure drugs for the escorts is true or


not. No doubt that will come out. He suggested that he would pay for


drugs that he was getting himself. He wasn't found in possession or


found getting their drugs. He hasn't done anything wrong there. If I


offered to buy you drugs, I would have a police officer waiting for me


to arrest me. He hasn't really been found trying to procure the drugs


and it is legal to use a sex worker in this country, there are shadows


there about whether they're controlled or not. He has not broken


any laws here. We don't know that. Let him finish. Anyone who looks at


a subject cannot be a consumer as well, we are about to enter into an


extremely twisted political culture. For instance, his previous


investigations were on immigration. One could start asking him, well do


you have any cousins, siblings who suffered through immigration. He is


as affected by that as in this case as well. What if it was an


investigation into some kind of tax avoidance scheme, when he had - The


difference there is there's a financial interest. You have to


declare in Parliament where you have financial interests. Only financial


has a conflict of interest? Typically that's where corruption is


most pervasive. We don't have for declarations for personal morality.


It's a dangerous game to start asking people to tell us about their


private life. This would be very different ten years ago. Something


has changed where 90% of your callers... I'm not looking at this


from personal morality. I think prostitution should be legalised. If


someone wants to pay someone for sex and it's consensual, no problem at


all. However, Brooks Newmark was forced to resign because he sent a


text, a picture of himself that he shouldn't have done. Are we saying


that is more serious... He was forced to resign? He did resign. If


you say I'm too embarrassed... Jeremy Corbyn says this is a private


matter. Why has he suspended Simon Danchu KFOR what he did. In terms of


the question you raise at the beginning which was, put them, do


you put our Select Committee heads in a higher etch lob of society,


that's not -- echelon of society, that's not OK. If we have this


dislocation - You can't have it both ways. You either say all of our


politicians should be whiter than white at all times, which is clearly


not going to happen. Or you say, well there are some positions in


society, some, not all, but some in politics, where if you are caught


doing this sort of thing, I'm afraid it is incumbent of you to fall on


your sword. You take Churchill. He was a functioning alcoholic. If we


want to hold up this standard, there's no-one higher than the Prime


Minister. Is it about likability or popularity? Partly. It's about


curtain twitching moral puritanism. The only variable in these stories,


no-one cares if someone who eats sugar is on a committee to regulate


sugar. But when it comes to sex and drugs, because we suspect people are


having more fun like we are. They probably are. Certainly in my case!


We have a whole Green Room. The party starts here. Thank you for


coming in. The right-wing nationalist party


Alternative for Germany have pushed Angela Merkel's ruling conservatives


into third place in The party, founded three years ago,


was an anti-Euro party, but it has turned its focus


to immigration and Islam. It now has delegates in more than


half of Germany's state parliaments. Last night's elections come


as a stark warning that Merkel's immigration policy is not uniformly


popular with the German people. It was an invitation that put


the world's migrants on the move and encouraged and confounded


Europe. Angela Merkel's offer to receive


a million refuges was as bold She has been lauded for a humane


response to a world in turmoil and villified for creating


a situation seemingly without end, as thousands upon thousands


left their home and headed to the new Jerusalem -


this time, Berlin. But after a summer of terror,


Germany is a country now looking at itself in new ways and wondering


if that largesse was badly aimed. The elections this weekend -


though small in scale - suggest the start of a backlash


against Merkel's plans Just look at her personal approval


rating. From a high of 75% as recently


as last April, to 54% and 49% in the months following the decision


to take in hundreds And after briefly recovering


following the Brexit vote, Merkel's rating plunged


to a five-year low in the wake But today, Merkel was resolute


and stood by her refugee policy. TRANSLATION: Of course,


the result is related I am party chair, the Chancellor,


and in the eyes of voters, I nevertheless believe


the decision on refugees, And now we must


continue to work on it. Even so, any further ratings dips


for Merkel and her party could put next year's national elections -


and the way Merkel chooses to fight Earlier, I spoke to Beatrix von


Storch, MEP and deputy leader of the AFD and asked her how


she saw the result. If it comes to migration


politics, it's both. It is the complete numbers


which already came. This is the first problem,


we are not able to integrate so many people within our labour market


and within our society. It is not possible,


just by the number. Because it is not possible


to integrate those people, because they are not making part


of our cultural background, so we see that we can't


run our social welfare state We can't keep our standard,


if we try to integrate into this So it is not about


Islam, specifically? Well, Islam, of course,


plays a role, because the majority of people coming to us


are from Islam backgrounds, Muslims, so this makes it even more difficult


to integrate the people. This is what we experienced in


the past, it is not the first time. We have got already lots of migrants


who came, lots of years ago, they integrated well,


but others not, and we can see that those coming from Islam


background are much more difficult to integrate into our society


than other cultures. You would say, then,


your party has a specific problem The German society has


a specific problem. Our claim saying Islam does not


belong to Germany is supported by something like 30-


35% of German people, so this is not something


which is only in our mind, people are voting for us because we


have that line very clear. You, your party said some time ago


that German police should be allowed to shoot at refugees


illegally entering Germany. No, we made very clear we don't


want to shoot at anybody, and this is why specifically


we ask our Chancellor to stop co-operating with Mr Eregan


from Turkey to protect our borders, but what we can see in Europe


at the moment is that there is one What do you mean, you don't


want to shoot at anyone? You did say that and now


you don't believe it? We don't want to shoot at anybody,


and that way we can see is one can protect its borders


without using a gun. The only one who is using a gun,


who is killing people, This is the one Merkel has handed


over our border control, and our point is very clear,


we want to protect our own borders Why did you say that,


was that a mistake? We made it clear we don't


want to shoot anybody. What we said is it needs


the political will to We can see that all the states


who have closed down Do you think that policy will spell


the end for Angela Merkel? You have done well this time round,


but you are not in first place yet, and there are many places


you don't have seats. What we say is this is the beginning


of the end of Angela Merkel. We have just been, we just came


in second in the federal state, where Angela Merkel comes from,


so it is her home place We don't have the majority


of the votes yet, and what we see of course is that the politics


is shifting at least into our direction, that even CDU


and CSU are making more and more points we have in our programme,


because they see that people want to have the politic taken


in another direction. Basically the opposite direction


of what the Chancellor is taking. So we have an impact


on the politics already, you are right, we have not yet


gained the majority of the votes, but if the Chancellor sticks


to her line, that will happen Did the counter cultural


revolution of the 60s give us the technological revolution


we have now? An exhibition at the V


is exploring the significance of late 1960s, expressed


through some of the greatest music, Oh my God, look at the picture over


there, the earth coming up. The late 60s were an era of huge


change - everything from fashion, to cultural and political attitudes,


to civil rights were in flux. And how we viewed ourselves


was being redefined. With the moon missions,


humans for the first time saw the earth,


our planet, from space. An image taken by the


astronaut William Anders It has been called the most


important image of the 20th century. The whole earth appears


in its fragile vulnerability and it seems to turn people's thoughts back


to what is going on in the earth. At London's V museum revolution is


in the air. Newsnight has been given a preview of the latest exhibition


encompassing five revolutionary years to 1970. It was a time when


the space race was on when students were demonstrating on campus and on


the streets when music fish mar toes were gathering for festival, when


The Beatles were taken their ideas into the mass media. You say you


want a revolution is an attempt to show how the world was trans formed


in a few years. You can't underestimate how important the


revolution in the head was, as people changed their mind-set from


what had been the case in the early 60s, where people did look up to the


establishment, they expected the Government to do a good job and be


right and by the end of the era you feel that people are doing it for


themselves and that sets us up for the next 50 years. I was excited. I


felt like I was part of it, and I thought that the whole world was


changing, the world was changing, but it didn't quite go exactly the


way everybody thought it would. Lloyd was involved in the Whole


Earth catalogue, a manual for the counter revolution. They pushed Nasa


to release an image of the whole earth, handing out badges after what


he described as a creative LSD trip. Everything from the best lamps to


information on the first completes, and it influenced Steve Jobs.


When I was young, there was an amazing publication called the whole


earth catalogue, it was like Google in paper back form 35 years beforele


came along, it was idealistic, overflowing with neat tools and


great notions. When I saw it on YouTube I thought that is pretty


great, that what we were doing back then was picked up on by this guy


and you know, and see what he has done. The whole earth catalogue was


part of it. It was part of what shaped the ideology that, and I


think that, I think that the idea was with those guys back then they


wanted to connect everybody in the world.


In a sense that has happened. Back then both the hippies living in


communities and the pioneers of modern completing shared a belief


that a better world would come from pooling human knowledge. Those early


ideals of sharing it freely are clearly not exactly as we live now,


so for all that we have amazing communications, and imagine setting


up Woodstock in 1969 without any of that, it is mind-boggling, we can do


that now but at the same time we have surveillance culture, big


business taking over this freedom of knowledge, we have the dark web, we


have our time taken up living on tiny machines, perhaps that takes


our mind away from bigger issues. So it is not, certainly not as they


would have envy Sans. What Richard has done for the underground is


promote its image. Back then Richard Neville co-founder of the Oz


magazine whose death was announced today had high hopes for what


technology would do. He even devised a game in poster form, a history of


the counterculture this anticipation of the free time for playing games


that would frult the digital revolution. It didn't happen of


course, and whether the power of modern day Silicon Valley is a


sell-out of the 60s values or the ultimate expression of them, really


depends on your perspective. We were you kept together? We were


kept in the same cell. The trial of Richard and his foal low editors


symbolises the end of an era for the exhibition, the finale to a time


when the young were imagining new ways to live.


They all came together, because the common enemy was society, as it was


at that time. Very very straight and constrained, and it still is,


actually, so as for the lasting effect I am not too sure.


For the V the legacy comes in the form of the landmark legal changes


to civil and gay rights, equal pay and the right to abortion which all


emerges from this defining time. -- emerged.


That's it for tonight, on what would have been


Since he died in 1991, there's been no-one who had his weird talent


for controlling a gigantic stadium of people like so many


We leave you back in 1985, Wembley Stadium and Rock Music's


# Buddy you're a boy, make a big noise


# Playin' in the street, gonna be a big man some day


# You got mud on your face, big disgrace


# Kickin' your can all over the place


Good evening, there is a humid sticky feel to the weather across


much of the country overnight. And the same can be said


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