09/09/2016 Newsnight


09/09/2016

In-depth analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Emily Maitlis. Theresa May's grammar school revolution and Jean-Marie Le Pen on the French far right.


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This is the plan to deliver them, and to set Britain

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You learn a lot about a Prime Minister by the enemies

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Theresa May takes on the educational establishment.

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We're joined by the Head of Westminster School,

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As election season hots up in France, the father of the far

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right, Jean-Marie Le Pen, tells Newsnight he has no regrets.

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And after banning this Vietnam War photo for indecency,

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We talk to the Norwegian writer who started the whole debate.

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It was never going to be a popular move with

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Nor indeed, with the Education Secretary she recently fired.

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Theresa May has shown an appetite for a battle

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that may well get the grass roots Conservatives on her side.

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But huge swathes of the educational establishment

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Today, she insisted the grammar schools she envisioned

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were a thing of the future, not the past.

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She called for faith schools to grow and -

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in a shot at the sector of privilege - demanded more from private schools

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in return for the tax breaks they get from their charitable status.

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Chris Cook, whose film yesterday anticipated many of

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the fine details of today's speech, asks if she's chosen a fight

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When she first arrived in Downing Street, Theresa May said

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she didn't want to lead just a Brexit Government, and she won't.

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As part of a broad education package, today,

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I want to relax the restrictions that stop selective

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schools from expanding, that deny parents the right

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to have a new selective school open where they want one,

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and that stop existing nonselective schools from becoming selective

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in the right circumstances and where there is demand.

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New grammar schools would require new legislation,

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but it's far from clear the Government has much

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of a majority on this in the House of Commons.

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They certainly don't have one at all in the House of Lords.

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Lots of that opposition to this idea comes from the experience

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and evidence from the old grammar system, and the remaining grammar

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That is perhaps part of why Theresa May was so keen to stress

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that these new grammar schools would be something new altogether.

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They would, for example, be required to take a certain number

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That would help with the main concern about grammars,

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One chain of grammars does it already, but it's

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There's a lot of work involved to persuade parents

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that a grammar school education is right for their children.

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We've probably been more successful in doing that in some of the Asian

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parts of the city than in the white working-class parts.

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That's not to do with the ability of the children, it's more

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that the outreach has to be more intensive.

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Academics remain sceptical, though, about this idea.

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The poor kids who are going to do well in the

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11 plus or not a random sample, they are probably from family

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backgrounds that are good in some way,

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supportive families, interested in education, very possibly from

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And kids who would probably do well in the system anyway.

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Rather than have the schools benefit from the

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presence of these good, intelligent and motivated poor kids,

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they will be taken out of those schools and

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put into these elite schools, leaving behind

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all of these other kids who

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would benefit from interacting with them.

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The so-called 50% rule is set to go, an admission rule for faith schools

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that discouraged new Catholic faith schools in particular.

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The 50% rule means that if you build a new school

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and it is oversubscribed, you are not allowed to select

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For us, that means that if we build a new

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Catholic school in an area where there is demand from parents for a

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Catholic education, we then have to turn

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50% away because they are

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Catholic, and that neither makes sense, nor does it fit in with our

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charitable trust deeds under which we operate,

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and the canon law of the

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I have always been relaxed about faith schools, but in the last

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few years I have become more nervous.

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More segregation is not to be encouraged, so I am nervous

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about the proposals, and I think that a lot

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of people in the House of Lords

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will be nervous about those proposals.

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The speech contained a commitment to force private schools to hate state

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schools, with a bit of a threat. Through charitable status, private

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schools reduce their tax bills by millions every year, and I want to

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consult on how we can amend guidance for private schools to enact a

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tougher test on the amount of public benefit to be derived to maintain

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charitable status. You might be surprised that hearing a

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Conservative having a go at private schools, because the party has

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historically offended their interests. If you look at the

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Independent schools Council website, you can see that they proudly record

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the lowest fee increase this year since 1994, but its 3.3%. That's a

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lot. The average cost of a private sixth form this year is ?21,000 a

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year. Private schools are now havens of the ultrarich where they used to

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educate the spine of the middle-class political

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establishment. All of the changes together will not generate as much

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heat as the idea of selection. If you look at the last 15 years or so,

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there has been a group of people across the parties who have been

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determined to move the whole skiffs -- school system are stop at times

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that has been controversial and we have taken radical decisions, but

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there has been consensus. I think there is a real expectation that

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this will break the consensus, and I think that is a shame, because it

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has been important to schools and teachers that they feel there has

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been a broad level of support behind the changes. The Theresa May plan

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for schools faces huge obstacles, principally parliament, but whatever

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comes now, one thing is clear: Things changed when the Prime

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Minister did. Let's talk now about the policy

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and the politics of all this. With me are Patrick Derham,

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headmaster of Westminster School, one of the top independent

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schools in the country, and Conservative MP

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Mark Field, in whose constituency Also here are Anne McElvoy,

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senior editor at The Economist, and Philip Collins, chief leader

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writer at The Times. A warm welcome to you all. Thanks

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for coming in. We heard from Nicky Morgan, the woman whom your party

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charged with the nation's education until July, calling these ideas at

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best a distraction from crucial reforms, and at worst, undermining

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six years of progressive education. This is pushing things backwards.

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Things have moved on. Since July. They certainly have moved on from

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Nicky Morgan. She is no longer in position, and we have a new Prime

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Minister with a passion for getting a great meritocracy, as she rightly

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put it. Personally, I think we have seen over the last 20 years

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prominent politicians of all parties utilising this in a crude

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calculation in the way they look at an intervention. I think one of the

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great things about this speech from Theresa May is that it comes from

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the heart. There is an authentic sense of where she sees education

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needs to be. What has changed since the 23rd of June is that we are now

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in the throes of removing ourselves from the European Union. I think it

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is easy to try and say that this is an old Tory ideological battle

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coming back. I think it is fundamentally different. If you'll

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forgive me, what hasn't changed is the evidence which suggests that

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this hurt the poor. It leaves more people behind than it takes with it.

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The important thing to recognise that our brightest children from the

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poorest households have a special educational needs that is not being

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looked after. It is simply a matter -- if you think it is simply a

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matter for those with difficulties, this is fundamental. London results

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are pretty good. You don't need grammar schools. We do. Ask Chinese

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and Bangladeshi families in my constituency, and they would like

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nothing more than to see the brightest and best... The change

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that has taken place since June is that we are in a very competitive

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world out there. China and India are big nations going forward, and those

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who want to invest in UK companies for the future will want to see a

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properly fully educated workforce. Elitism should not be a bad word in

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the way it has been too often in this debate. Patrick, did you hear a

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litres or excellence as a bad word when Theresa May was talking about

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what the private sector must do and that thread about charitable status?

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-- elitism. I think she recognised the huge contribution that the

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independent sector makes to the issue of mobility, which is a real

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concern for myself personally, but also for my colleagues. And she

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recognised that we are part of the solution and not the problem. I've

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argued for a long time that we need to change the debate and to look

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more critically at what is going on. The interesting thing for me is, she

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picked up on capacity and capability for some schools and recognise there

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is not a one size fits all solution, which I think is important. She

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recognised that there needs to be a degree of proportionality, that not

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all schools of the same. There is a mythology about the independent

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sector and the type of pupils go to them. And I think she recognised

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that by what she said. She also recognise that the schools of

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immense privilege have charitable status for tax breaks, and a lot of

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the public will say, why on earth are they getting those? Because we

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are contributing to the greater good in all sorts of ways. Some examples

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- she name checks Westminster and the work we're doing with the Harris

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Federation. Not all independent schools are like Westminster and

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eaten. You think there is room for many of them to do more? Lots of

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them do not have the huge playing field. And ovary were

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# And overwhelming proportion of independent schools are affected. It

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is not just the sponsoring of academies and free schools or the

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provision of bursaries, though that was the talk in 2010. One bursaries,

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look at the ground-breaking work that has been done by some of them

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in fundraising and really reaching out to underprivileged members of

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the community will stop look at the Arnold foundation, started at Rugby,

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which has given birth to Springboard, a national charity, and

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private schools raising aspirations amongst those most in need of that

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type of education. You raise an interesting point. Does it surprise

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you that as a Tory Prime Minister stepping into this debate -- is it

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surprise you that there is a Tory Prime Minister. Going back to the

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Tory DNA on grammar schools, very brave and bold, but not so difficult

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for her to do. You can see she clearly believes it. She is a

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beneficiary herself of grammars goals, and she believes she can

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deliver more meritocracy through it. A lot of people will doubt it, but

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she will get the chance to make the case. Her whole pitch as Prime

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Minister after David Cameron, who was a bit of a posh boy, was not

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being like that. Trying to engage the private sector more and turning

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the screws to an extent on the private sector is something she is

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serious about. I have to do -- disagree with Patrick. The Academy

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's chains and private schools got involved, and sometimes they walked

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away when it got difficult. They will find their feet will be held to

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the fire to deliver a bit more, and that may be no bad thing. All we

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have heard about for the last six years is academies and free schools,

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and suddenly everyone is on board behind Theresa May and grammar

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schools are the rage. It is a big change in rhetoric. The first half

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was real boilerplate. Every Prime Minister makes that speech after

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review weeks. They all talk about meritocracy. Everyone has done it.

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Did you write that for Tony Blair? Yes. I didn't write the one today,

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but I could have done. It was cut and paste from things I have done

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with a bit of rhetorical flourish. The second half of the speech wasn't

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as good as that. When you get to the policy things, I think there are

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some problems buried in there. I think it will be difficult to do.

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You're talking about grammar schools particularly? Yes. That is partly

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the politics within Westminster, the parliament rather than the school or

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the constituency. The politics of grammar schools are difficult over

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time. Any policy which takes 20% of people and says, your school is

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better than the other 80%, the arithmetic is not good. Can I go to

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an educationalist for one second? I think the interesting thing about

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her speech was what she didn't say. The key thing is not the school

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structure, it is the quality of the interaction between a pupil and

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teacher. The real issue facing this country, and quite a lot of the

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Western world is the issue of teacher recruitment, teacher

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retention and the quality of teaching. I also think what she

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didn't talk about was, I am not convinced, I think we need to take a

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step back and say is tinkering with school structure

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is the the real issue for me is too often governments in this country

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have brought into schools can fix mentality, and I think there is a

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real problem with that. I think there is an issue about empowering

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parents and what has not been touched on is the issue of technical

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schools. It is a very technical process where you share grammar

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schools with a lot of other people. I want to touch on the issue of

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mandate. Where does this come from and who supports that? I think we

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know a lot of the Conservative Party supports it. The mandate question,

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the technical understanding of it, in terms of how the Lords will view

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it if it wasn't in the manifesto, then her right to overrule this very

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dubious indeed, I have a bit of sympathy to her and any government,

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which changes after such a disruption, as Brexit and the change

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of leadership in the Conservative Party, she is not going to get up

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there and do a David Cameron... Are you saying this is a massively fresh

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sheet and you can get away with it? There is no constitutional

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requirement to seek an extra mandate. So you don't think this is

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part of a ploy to bring forward an election if she loses? I doubt it

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is, actually. In my view she would be well advised to have an election.

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She could crucify the Labour Party and gain the majority I think she

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might need to get some of these things through. She doesn't have any

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votes to get this through? I think she will have the votes in the

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Commons. One reason why the issue of independent schools has been brought

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up here, and it will put more flesh on the bones of technical schools,

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it will be part of parcel of a more broad review of education. How can

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you be confident that you will get this through? We heard from Michael

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Wilshaw, the ex-head of the Hackney Academy, part of that academy's

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push, a lot of people have committed years of their life to the academies

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programme. And a lot of Conservative ministers were committed to the

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academies programme. There is no mention of it. That is a bit

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problematic. We are just wrapping up. The last word. I am not

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convinced there will be many schools that will go for it. The conditions

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for doing the grammar school bit quite onerous. I am not convinced

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that there will be many schools which will find that attractive.

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Thank you for coming in. In France, election season

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is kicking into gear. Former President Nicolas Sarkozy has

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thrown his hat into the ring, for the centre-right Republican

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Party. The incumbent, Francois Hollande

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hasn't said whether he'll run again. Some in his centre-left

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Socialist Party would like to replace him,

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given that his popularity ratings There's really only one thing

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you can say for certain about this election, and that is

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that Marine Le Pen So what does the rise of the far

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right mean for French politics? Gabriel Gatehouse has sent this

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report from Paris. The wheel of political

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fortunes is turning. A centre-left president

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with the lowest approval ratings in French history

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is fighting for survival. His predecessor from

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the centre-right whom once claimed that dubious honour for himself

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is trying to stage a comeback. But the real winner might be

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someone quite unexpected, someone who doesn't

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really feel much like Jean-Marie Le Pen's days of standing

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for president are long gone. The 88-year-old veteran

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of France's colonial wars is, in many ways a has-been,

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sidelined and then expelled by his own daughter from the party

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he founded 45 years ago. But the Front National is riding

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high in the polls, and Mr Le Pen's right-wing anti-immigration rhetoric

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is stiking the right chord. Jean-Marie's daughter,

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Marine Le Pen, will almost certainly reach the second round run-off

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is in the presidential election. She has modernised the party,

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tried to detoxify the brand, but at heart says Le Pen pere,

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the Front National message remains Such sentiments may be bluntly

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expressed, but they are no longer In the aftermath of the attacks

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in Paris and Nice, the most devastating attacks on French soil,

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this election will be fought largely on the issues of who should be

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allowed in this country who was nicknamed the hyper

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president, the diminutive is pitching for his second

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round of the presidency. Nicolas Sarkozy is running on the

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slogan "Everything for France." It is a rallying cry calculated

:21:50.:21:56.

to appeal to nationalist sentiment. It is also a play on a previous

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slogan from a previous centre-right president, Jacques Chirac,

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in the mid-'90s, who ran under This inversion tells you everything

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you need to know about how far mainstream political discourse has

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moved to the right. Sarko's talk is all about

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borders, about identity. Never mind the burkini,

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he says he wants to widen the ban on wearing the veil in public,

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and he said he wants to rewrite the law which says if you're born

:22:35.:22:37.

in France you can become a citizen. To some, such rhetoric sounds

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straight out of a Front National playbook, but Sarkozy's

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supporters say he is simply Meanwhile, the Muslim community,

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nearly 5 million strong, might be excused for feeling

:22:58.:23:20.

a little under siege. As the political temperature rises,

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parties of all persuasions seem to be focusing much of the national

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angst on to the question of And some fear it has disturbing

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implications for the cherished When you see policemen on the beach

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asking, ordering women to undress, we are not anymore

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in a state of law. and it is dangerous

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for freedoms, in fact. None of this is worrying Le Pen

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in the slightly surreal grandeur It is not hard to see why

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he supports Donald Trump. He is also an admirer of

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Vladimir Putin, a man of authority But what does he say to those

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who accuse him of poisoning the well If history is anything to go by,

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Marine Le Pen will make it through the first round and then

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lose to an anyone-but-Le-Pen But these are not normal times,

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and whether she wins or loses, some of the values she inherited

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from her father are making an ever But the problem arises

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when the image in question is considered one of the most

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important of the 20th century - like this one, the Pulitzer Prize

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winning Napalm Girl The image was recently posted

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by Norwegian novelist Tom Egeland as part of a piece on photographs

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that had changed history. It was soon removed by Facebook,

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sparking outrage and the editor of Norway's largest printed

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newspaper to write an open letter The iconic image was widely shared -

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including by the Norwegian prime minister, until her

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post was also removed. Just before we came on air,

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Facebook reversed its decision But does this call into question

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both the power and the judgement We're joined now by the Norwegian

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Writer - Tom Egeland - And Tom, thank you for joining us

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this evening. Do you have any sympathy with an organisation that

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on one hand says it is not responsible enough, and on the other

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says it is guilty of censorship? Well, yes, and in fact, I support

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Facebook's policy against nakedness. We don't want pawn on Facebook so

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the disagreement and the great disagreement in this case is whether

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or not the iconic picture of this Vietnamese girl is about nakedness.

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To me, it is not. It is a picture about war, about horror and about

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children who are victims of war crimes. And fortunately, Facebook

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tonight realised that their rather harsh judgment on this picture was

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wrong and they have reversed their standpoint. It is a difficult one

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where there is so much content and there is one algorithm. To take an

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example, there was a young naked Syrian girl from a war that is still

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going on and that was pictured on Facebook, would you consider that to

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be a moment of history and war, or abuse and exposure? And that is the

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exact dilemma that has made me want to focus on this case. Because,

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unlike BBC, unlike the times, or newspapers, Facebook does not have

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an editor. Facebook does not have an institution where somebody evaluates

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different aspects and different values regarding a picture. To

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Facebook, the world is a set of algorithms and rules. Do you think

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it should be an arbiter or should it just be a platform? They insist they

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are a technological platform. I disagree. Facebook is so huge. It

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has so many followers, and all over the world, newspapers use Facebook

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as a platform for not only spreading their news, but also their reader

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comment. If Facebook's rule should overrule any newspaper rules, then

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who is the editor? So in my view, Facebook should have, not only

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editors, they should have national editors. So you would actually want

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to see Facebook becoming, if you like, a world editor of other

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journals and other publications who use it? In many ways, Facebook is

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already those things. In certain regions of the world, Facebook and

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the Internet are the same. Two people, Internet is Facebook. If you

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see all the newspapers that use Facebook today, I find it hard to

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differentiate between a technological platform and an

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editorial platform. Tom Egeland, it is fascinating to speak to you.

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Thank you for sharing your story will with us. Tom Egeland, the

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Norwegian writer who we understand is still currently banned from

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Facebook. That's all tonight, but before

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we go, an extraordinary rescue operation in one of the most

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dramatic locations on earth. More than 100 tourists were stranded

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yesterday at an altitude of more than 12,000 ft above the glaciers

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of Mont Blanc after wires carrying their cable

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cars became tangled. It took some extraordinary flying

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and an aerial ballet worthy of any Bond film before the first

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passengers were rescued by helicopter, and it's given us

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some pretty spectacular pictures. MUSIC: "You Only Live

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Twice" by John Barry The weather looks mixed over the

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weekend. This weather front will pop up at times, bringing rain through

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central and south-eastern parts of England. Breezy and cloudy here.

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