12/09/2016 Newsnight


With Kirsty Wark. The surgeon of Aleppo, the health of US presidential candidates, The Great British Bake Off, plus an exclusive interview with Syrian Islamist fighters.

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Ceasefire in Syria - but not for Islamic State


and the jihadists formerly known as Nusra Front.


A leading figure exclusively tells Newsnight that America and Russia


can't carry out their plan to hit them without hitting


It's not uncommon to have one family with members from several groups


They go fight and they come back to their houses, with their


JFS is deeply embedded in society and cannot be singled


And can this really alleviate the suffering?


We film an extraodinary operation in Aleppo guided


Hilary Clinton is unwell - she cancels campaigning


because of a bout of pneumonia, diagnosed but not


Now Donald Trump is to release his medical records.


We hear from former candidate Howard Dean.


Well, that's what the press does, the press doesn't like people's


privacy, as we say on this side of the Atlantic, so they resent it.


But if you had Hillary Clinton with the experience of the press,


The founder of the Daily Beast, Tina Brown, is here to


I can't believe this has happened to me!


It's all gone horribly wrong for the BBC.


Bake Off, which delivered ten million viewers and headlines


galore, is leaving the broadcaster for the Channel 4 kitchen


First Top Gear, then The Voice, now this.


Should the BBC do what it takes to keep their best show,


or is there a limit to the money? We'll ask former BBC One controller


executive Lorraine Hegassy what she would have done.


Just before the ceasefire in Syria which started six hours ago


President Assad vowed to take back the whole of Syria from rebel groups


in an interview broadcast on state media.


The seven day ceasefire includes improved humanitarian access


and joint US Russian targeting of hardline extremists,


but a big challenge is how to separate nationalist rebels


from jihadists, especially as the grouping formerly


known as the Nusra Front, which has been playing a vital role


Our reporter Secunder Kermani has had an exclusive interview


with a representative of the jihadi group.


On the Muslim festival of sackrifies more bloodshed as regime planes


bombed rebel held Aleppo, ahead of the ceasefire coming into effect.


A deal is meant to bring a week of peace allowing aid into besieged


areas. It is no long-term solution though.


Assad performed triumph fall prayers in a district newly captured from


rebels. And vowed to take the entire


country. Opposition representatives haven't formally signed a deal, and


many in rebel areas, while glad of any pause in fighting are sceptical.


One of the key elms in the deal is if the ceasefire holds for a week,


instead of Assad's Air Force America and Russia will set up a joint


command, they say to target Isis, and the Jihadist group JFS.


JFS were until recently called Nusra and were Al-Qaeda's affiliate in


Syria. They officially severed ties with


Al-Qaeda. Unlike Isis, they fought a long side mainstream rebel groups


and have been key in breaking the regime siege of Aleppo. JFS


spokesman answered questions I e-mails to him about the plans to


target them. The question is where do they think it exists? They are


not on another planet. They are parliament of the Syrian society. It


is not uncommon to have one family with members from several groups


living in the same house. They go fight and come back to their house,


with their family, with civilians. JFS is deeply embedded in society,


and cannot be singled out in any way. They don't govern, and area on


their own, they are not exclusive to any particular location. America and


Russia know this very very well. This map shows areas under control


by different factions in Syria. Isis territory is demarcated but JFS


jointly controlled areas alongside rebel groups and that ignored the


complicated aligns in many place, it seems the US is trying to split the


other rebels away from JFS but they are seen as a powerful ally It is


seen as a Syrian movement, standing up for Syrians and fighting the


regime. They are effective particularly in recent offensives in


Aleppo. It makes no sense to peel away from them. In some ways some of


the rebel groups could see this as divide and rule by the great powers


and ignore it. JFS has concentrated on attacking


the Assad regime but some say despite the official break, they are


still Al-Qaeda and still a danger. Something their spokesman denies. We


have been very clear about our split but I will say it again, JFS is not


an affiliate of Al-Qaeda. We are an independent body working to


establish the common goals of the revolutionary forces in Syria.


I asked if that means they oppose events like 9/11? As for 9/11 that


happened 15 years ago, and is completely irrelevant to what is


happening in Syrian today. Would you ask Obama to be responsible for


policies that the United States had in Japan, or Vietnam, or South


America under previous admin straights? Obviously not. Our


policies are clear, and that is all that matters.


The coalition of other rebel groups have tonight indicated they will


abide by the ceasefire. But they have also strongly criticised the


plans to attack JFS, this could be one of the key flaws that leads to


the ceasefire's downfall. JFS was not established to fight


anyone except the Assad regime and whoever allies with him. Who are the


terrorists? Hezbollah and the PKK both terrorist organisations,


according to the US, and they are actively and opening fighting in


Syria, why are they not targeted For now the ceasefire appears to be


holding but for many in city like Aleppo, a temporary peace is not


enough. My wife told me that after sunset we


will go out, because it is a ceasefire. Now we are able to, I can


go with you and our daughter without being afraid, or scared about, a bit


of life, but in general, we want better, we want, what we want, it is


freedom, OK, to remove Assad. Families tonight have some respite


from the bombs but for how long? What happens in rebel held parts of


Syria when hospital doctors are under constant pressure from


bombing, lack of equipment, and even lack of experience. Well, in Aleppo,


they call for David knot, the British doctor who specialises in


emergency scare in war zones and training doctors under fire, this


week, however, he lent a hand remotely, advising in an operation


via Skype. John Sweeney was there as he oversaw the reconstruction of a


man's jaw after an attack. Under ground and under siege. A rare


glimpse into an operating theatre in Aleppo. Hollywood doesn't do the


reality of war, so this is what it looks like. When a man has his jaw


blown off. In rebel held Syria, being a doctor is a dangerous game.


754 doctors have been actively killed in the north of Syria, since


the conflict started in 2011, and it suggested that being a medic or even


a patient in a hospital is probably the worst place you possibly can be


in, because hospitals are targeted constantly, doctors are targeted


constantly. Mohammed was hit they say by a Russian bomb which also


killed two of his friends. They have never done a jaw reconstruction


before, but if they don't, the chances for this father of three are


slim. David Knot is a London surgeon who went to Aleppo two years ago to


train surgeon, now they have asked him to direct the jaw operation via


Skype and what's app. How exciting is this? It is one of the most


exciting things I have done. Being able to direct surgeons who are I


have trained, I have trained them when I was this in Syria, they know


me and they have confidence in me that I know them, I have confidence


in them, I know what they can do, sow between the two of us, we can do


this operation. -- so. We believe this is a world


first. A selfie stick being used to transport an eminent London surgeon


into a basement hospital in a besieged city. I want you to take an


incision which goes to take the whole of the major muscle, so I want


you to make an incision, laterally, below the laterally below the


nipple, to start to mobilise the major muscle. OK?


What about the nipple. I make two flaps and mobilise. That is fine.


The challenge is that the doctors are young and enthusiastic but they


are inexperienced. David Knot, he knows what he is doing, and the two


sets of doctors are connecting with the latest in our amazing digital


technology, but of course batteries go down. The line drops out. It is


difficult, but nevertheless the two sets of doctors are breaking the


siege of Aleppo. There is a small problem here. OK.


We can't put two screws... The doctors solve their problem then


David explained to me the complexity of the operation. This is the


muscle, and this is the muscle which has an artery comes off just below


the collarbone, so we preserve that artery, to this muscle, we have put


an area of skin on here as well, so we are going to move that right up


into the man's jaw, and we are going to put it underneath the metal plate


and then the skin goes over the top, so the skin will come here, and the


muscle will cover the plate. So you won't know when you look at him he


has a plate in his mouth? Correct. You have done a wonderful job today.


Thanks to you. How good as Dr Knot been in terms of helping you do this


operation? How valuable has been his help, is the question? We are very


thankful for Dr Knot, because it's a very difficult and complex


operation. We can't do it alone. We need some help, and we can't go


outside of Aleppo. We must do it here. This was never about just


saving the life of one man. Now that the doctors in Aleppo know the


technique, they can operate on other patients. But it is also about


reminding them and their patients, that the world has not quite


forgotten Aleppo. Joining me now from Washington


DC is Farah al Atassi, a spokeswoman for


the Syrian opposition Good evening to you. Can we talk


about what you make of the ceasefire, do you think the deal is


a good one? First of all, they did not receive an official copy of the


US-Russian agreement yet, we cannot comment on it in an official way, we


need a copy of this agreement so we can analyse it, we can discuss any


defaults, in terms of enforcement measurements and then we can give an


official statement and response about how do we view this agreement?


However, from previous agreements between the Russian and the


American, the HNC and other Syrian opposition group responds positively


towards any international efforts that will really halt violence in


Syria, particularly putting pressure on the Assad regime and his allies


in stopping the bombardment and air strikes against civilian targets,


including the Russians themselves, so if this agreement really enforced


fully by the regime, absolutely we welcome it. And we saw you, images


of children out playing on swings tonight, just the inStans youly


different feeling they have -- instantaneously feeling they have, I


wonder what you think will be the progress of this, what do you think


the Russians intention is? As I said, from previous experience of


prior agreements between the Russians and the American, it was


the Russians who breached the agreements they made themselves,


even the day after the agreement was announced, the Russian conducted an


air strikes on the suburb of Idlib, and we have around 15 Syrian


civilians were killed in that by the Russians themselves, so I said it is


premature to assess how this agreement will be workable on the


ground, we hope it is will workable on the ground, we we pray it will be


workable on the ground, even secretary Carey -- Kerry today he


raised some suspicions and he said it might not work well, but we have


to wait, just, we need to see how the regime will abide with this


agreement, the Armed Forces they always welcomed the channel of the


humanitarian aid, and they say they are ready to protect the channel of


the humanitarian aid, and they will reflect positively towards this.


Earlier in the programme we had a representative of the former Nusra


front JFS on the programme, saying that actually because they were very


much in the forefront of in the battle for 11 and that I are as it


were embedded in different napes and so forth, that the idea of


separating them out as a legitimate target, as opposed to moderate


opposition is impossible. What do you say to that? I am not a military


expert. I can comment on political issue, however, gee graph Che and


strategically that statement is true. And realistic because it is so


hard to really isolate the civilians places because a lot of this places


and areas are besieged by the Syrian regime and Iranian militia, so you


cannot really recognise the Free Syrian Army from other armed, you


know, maybe for fanatic groups so they are somehow, it is intertwined,


that is why we read today a statement by most of the military


armed groups on the ground, an article number eight, they are


saying clearly that the agreement excludes some forces from the


agreement, however, they did not talk about other militia fighting,


or militia fighting beside the regime, like Hezbollah, like...


All of these forces are on the ground and all of them are


intertwined. Thank you for joining us tonight.


Now if you caught Newsnight pretty much any night last week you'll know


we have taken a keen interest in the progress - or lack of it -


of a report by MPs into the use of UK arms by Saudi Arabia


Last Tuesday, Gabriel Gatehouse obtained a draft of the report


which was highly critical of the Saudis.


It found that it was "inevitable" that British weapons had been


involved in violations of international law and that arms


sales to Saudi were "very possibly in contravention


The report called for arms sales to Saudi Arabia


But some MPs had other ideas - a second leak revealed how two


pro-Saudi MPs were attempting to water down the report.


Here's how the report would change if amendments tabled by John Spellar


and Crispin Blunt, the influential chair of the Foreign Affairs


Last Thursday Blunt came on Newsnight to explain why


I also asked him if he'd walked out of the committee to freeze its work


That portrays a misunderstanding of how this particular...


...collection of four committee's works.


Whatever comes out of this particular, of the oversight of arms


Did you walk out last night, Crispin Blunt?


I am not going to talk about a committee process


over the lengths Blunt has gone to in order to -


Yes, Crispin Blunt is not giving up. He has provided a new report and


essentially his acknowledging he will not get the numbers he wants to


soften the criticisms of Saudi Arabia and pull back on a ban on


arms sales to the kingdom. He is writing what he is describing as an


alternative report and he is planning to put that to the


committee he chairs, the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, tomorrow


afternoon, and he will essentially say to the members of that


committee, let's agree to this and tack it onto the end of the report


when he is not going to get his way. He may get it just about past his


committee but he certainly will not get unanimous agreement for that.


And that is not all he is talking about? He says the arms committee,


which has defence, foreign affairs, International affairs and the


business committee is not working, and he says there should be one


select committee that does that work... His? No, he is a senseless


chap, he says it should be a new committee. Now, the members of that


committee may think the most important thing is to look at the


number of exports, rather than ethical questions about arms sales


to Saudi Arabia. This evening I spoke to Crispin Blunt and this is


what he told me. I have no comment on the private


proceeding of my committee or other select committees. When we are in a


position to say something publicly then of course I'd be happy to do


so. Nick, thank you.


How big a deal to American voters is Hilary Clinton's bout


of "walking pneumonia", - in other words a mild


Donald Trump speaking this morning on Fox News said he hopes


the Democrat candidate gets well soon, and then immediately announced


he that was going to release his own medical records.


Health, he says, is an issue in the campaign, and he'll be


releasing what he calls "very specific numbers".


So everything, it seems, is fair game


Will Hillary be accused of hiding her health history -


diagnosed on Friday, forced to reveal it on Sunday


Here is Emily. This is the Hillary she wants you to


know, the fighter, the woman of strength. And this is the Hillary


you will have seen a lot of today, played silently on a loop. The woozy


wobble as she struggles to stay upright, even losing issue as she


crumples into the car. The decision from the campaign to attract Hillary


from the 9/11 memorial service without telling any reporters for


about 90 minutes was incredibly short-sighted and foolish, given


that there were all these conspiracy theories already swirling about her


health. Her emergency exit from the memorial service was followed by 90


minutes where nobody knew what to think. Unexpectedly left early


because of what appears to be a medical episode... And then the


revelation she had been diagnosed two days earlier with pneumonia.


We're breaking news on Hillary Clinton's health. Something which


seemed retrospectively to explain this. A Cleveland coughing fit,


rescued at the 11th hour with a stab at a joke. Every time I think about


Trump, I get a coughing fit. Was this cover-up a mistake? The press


does not like people's privacy but... Here is the man you might


remember from this moment, the Iowa caucus of 2004. The screen that


spells the sound of his own presidential hopes slipping away.


The whole thing did not slip away from a because of the I have a


scream speech, the whole thing slipped away because we were not


organised. This is not slipping away from Hillary Clinton, it is not


going to slip away from Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton will be the


next president of the United States because the alternative is


unthinkable. Unthinkable to Democrats but the whole thing will


give credence to something of a trump conspiracy, that Hillary was


too ill to stand. This evening he revealed his own medical records


live on TV. I took a physical and I will be revealing the numbers when


they come in. Hopefully they will be good, I feel great. Clinton will


miss a couple of days of campaigning to rest. Somewhere lurks the


question they cannot ask, her constitutional contingency plan if


the nominee herself cannot stand. Tisbury difficult in the United


States whereby presidents and presidential candidates have an


existence which is separated from the party because it is a


presidential system rather than a parliamentary system. We have not


had such close to horse race for some time so the sound as people


would claim that Bernie had a legitimate right to be on the


ticket, even if only as a vice president running mate because Kane


would have to nominate someone and how would it have to be approved? It


would have to be done by some sort of process approved by the


Democratic National committee. Clinton has seen something of a


narrowing in the polls in recent days. She is still ahead nationally


and in most of the battle ground states. Convincing the public she is


fit might be the work of antibiotics and a few days in bed. But


convincing the public she has nothing to hide, that is a battle


she has been fighting for two and a half decades and it probably will


not disappear when the cough does. Tina Brown is the former editor


of Vanity Fair, The New Yorker, I asked her if Hillary had done


damage by being secretive? Does question about who she has done


damage with. Politically it gives rise to another round of lack of


transparency. Why didn't she reveal it before? With the public, I am not


so sure. I think there will be a lot of sympathy for a woman who has been


brutally pummelled from one whole year on the campaign trail. And when


people learn she was diagnosed Friday and yet she went on and did


it to our national security meeting, she went to Barbra Streisand


fundraiser, she did another fundraiser, she went to the 9/11


event, she was trying to soldier on. In many ways people will say this


woman is valiant and why is everybody on her case? Howard Dean


said to us, why doesn't she just do things on Skype? Why does she use


social media more? Why does she have to be ever present? On the other


hand, a whole bunch of people on CNN were saying why didn't she go to


talk to people more, why was she raising money in the Hamptons in


August when she could have done stuff like this? I think Hillary


does feel that connecting with real people and hearing what they have to


say is as important to her as them talking -- is heard talking to them.


That is why she goes out on the trail will stop does this matter to


the voters? If she becomes ill again, does this build a picture? It


does, unfortunately. Only 35% of Americans polled by CNN in the last


poll said they thought she was honest or trustworthy. 50% amazingly


think Trump is honest or trustworthy. It is not a great


figure for either of them but it is remarkable because pretty much


everything comes out of Donald Trump is that mouth is fallacious and he


has a higher trust rating than Hillary Clinton. Only 80% think what


Trump says is true whereas 50% is true. It is a very difficult thing


for her. And unfortunately this has taken root. What have we come to


where we will have the disclosure of Donald Trump's medical records which


will be very specific and detailed, and actually, to run as a


presidential candidate, you have to have full health disclosure? What is


amusing with Donald Trump is he did one disclosure but it was by a


giggling gastroenterologist who said his health was unbelievably terrific


or awesomely amazing or some unlikely adjective. But


unfortunately, yes, everyone will basically have to reveal how much


under an head they have for the public scrutiny and be told that is


relevant. It is absolutely grotesque. It has become the most


brutal gladiatorial blood fest. If she is feeling ill right now, who


can blame her? Does seem strange. Roosevelt was in a wheelchair, it


did not make him a lesser president. People make judgments and here we


are in the middle of the Paralympics. I could not agree more.


The one thing you could not accuse Hillary Clinton of is lack of


stamina. The woman is an unbelievable Sherman tank in energy.


She wore down Obama to the bone crisp in the last election. She went


to the bitter end. And then she turned around having lost, and did


250 fundraisers for Obama without so much as a weekend. To use the


stamina point with Hillary is. You may dislike her but she can out run


anyone. And should age be an issue at all? In this moment, I did think


either of the candidates really are old to run for president because we


live in a different era. Trump is 70 and Hillary is 68. They are both


getting up there. We have had a much younger president in Obama but we


have also had all the presidents with Reagan. I think in this era,


this age is not too old to run for president but I think it is


enormously the key game and you cannot do it without very good


health. I think Hillary's health is fine. She's very exhausted now and


she has had this cough which has plagued her and has perhaps been


wrongly diagnosed. I do know. That is the point we're most interested


in. Tina Brown, thank you for joining us.


Ron Christie is CEO of Christie Strategies


which is a political strategy firm and he is a former senior


Good evening, first of all, is Donald Trump right to make hay out


of Hillary Clinton's health scare? I don't think so, I think this is the


time where you look at the former Secretary of State and you say you


wish her well, you want the see her back on the campaign trail. Mr Trump


was very subdued talking art her health today, that is where it


should be. He was subdued at fist but he announced he would be


releasing his very specific medical records, he said and apparently he


will be doing it live on television. So he is making a deal out of it.


Well, with Donald Trump seefrmgs to be reality TV show, he said he had


his physical taken last week, it shows he has a physical because the


Secretary of State had her incident yet, it is very important for the


American people to understand the health of their next President of


the United States, and to ascertain whether north they have the stamina,


they have the Fitzpatrick #k58 ability to do the job. -- physical


ability to do the job. I can tell you it is gruelling at the staff


level, it is more brutal for the President and the Vice President.


You heard Tina Brown saying Hillary Clinton has the stamina of a Sherman


tank, she did fund-raisers for Barack Obama, do you think there are


doubts about her staying power if she were to become President,


really? Yes, really. I am very worried about her health, she has


not been very healthy this year, she is the first one to tell you that,


the Secretary of State needs to come out and this is one of the reasons I


think her disapproval numbers are so high, her trustworthiness numbers


are so low, with the Clintons it is a drip, drip, drip. As a former


Obama, the Obama administration official said set it out there,


level with the American people, say here is my health condition, here is


how I am feeling, I am feeling great. Put it behind her, the longer


it takes for the Secretary of State to come out with her medical


condition the ling doubts Americans have. Interestingly, what is the


hierarchy of health is this we know there is lots of American have for


example die Beattie, if Donald Trump was, to have that, do you think


there would be a problem as it affects so much of the population


She has a diagnosis of pneumonia, I almost died of pneumonia, I was out


for several months in his 20, if I almost died in my 20, you have a


68-year-old candidate who has been campaigning rerentlessly, people


need to know the extent of what type she had and whether she is on the


mend. I would say one other thing, given the fact she was here at


Ground Zero yesterday, she was shaking hands with people, kissing


baby, it is a extraordinarily contagious disease, if she had


pneumonia why would she put people at risk? That is the question people


want to know. Thank you very much for joining us.


Bake Off, a British phenomenon, and a show that delivered the BBC


10 million viewers on BBC One, is going to Channel Four.


Will there be no more Mary and Paul, Mel and Sue on the Beeb?


Love Productions, who make the programme for BBC,


said that it is with regret that they have been unable


to reach agreement on terms to renew the commission.


So what will happen to a show which built up from a low audience


on BBC Two six years ago to a raging success, and made Mary Berry


and Paul Hollywood, and the most recent winner,


Will Bake Off rise once more on Channel Four


And is that the kind of fare Channel Four was set up to deliver?


Here's our resident baker's boy Stephen Smith.


Bake Off is the jewel in the crown of the BBC's schedules,


or at least the glazed sultana in Auntie's Chelsea bun.


This is your chance to get your dough prodded


It is perfect comfort telly with its recipe


of mildly salty banter, and 1950s WI resourcefulness.


Carry On meets "Keep calm and carry on."


It generates 10 million viewers a week and it is prime content.


The BBC played a big role in helping that success.


There is no question it is a blow to them.


But I think there was an air of inevitability of bout it


because as the price for premium content gets higher and higher,


with increased competition with the likes of Amazon, Netflix,


ITV, Sky and Channel 4 in the mix, it will become harder


and harder for the BBC to bid for these types of rights.


From modest beginnings on this channel, Bake Off has made stars


But the BBC said tonight it was a considerable distance apart


from the programme makers Love Productions over money.


That is a scrapbook of our careers from the very beginning.


All the nice things that people said about us?


What about the nasty things people said about us?


It is an ancient piece of showbiz wisdom known as Chiles' law,


that popular presenters jump ship from the Beeb at their peril.


A plane carrying 15 tonnes of rhubarb.


Eric and Ernie were never the same on commercial TV.


The BBC will back themselves to create another great hit


like Bake Off, or at least to be part of creating this


great successful show, and really that is the BBC's remit,


and at a time when there is such scrutiny on its charter,


with the new draft charter being published on Thursday


by the Government, it knows really that it has to prove


that it is distinctive and coming up with new content.


So you'll still be able to enjoy a version of this programme


on another channel somewhere up the dial, but for the BBC,


Here tonight is Lorraine Heggessey, former controller of BBC One and


head of the TV production company Talkback Thames.


First of all, we understand that it is three, three series and it could


be 25 million a series, more than double what the BBC, should the BBC


have paid up? They couldn't pay up, they haven't got enough money to pay


up, probe, they had to decide where to draw a line, I think this is one


of the issues that the BBC faces, because commercial broadcasts can go


for value pricinger the more successful a show is, the more


advertising ref few, the more they can afford to pay. Of course on


Channel 4 they can do all sorts of product placement that I can. They


can commercially exploit the programme than perhaps you can on


the BBC where there are lots of rules. Will it be, we don't know


anything yet, can it be the great British Bake Off? Let me just tell


you what Channel 4, you will know this well was charged with,


innovative, experiment and and distinctive so you nick a BBC


success hit to be innovative and experimental? Well, obviously


Channel 4 has to fight for its place as well, and my understanding is


that talks broke down between the BBC and Love Productions. At 3.00,


they signed with Channel 4 at seven. A coincidence! In my day there were


often tough negotiations over programme budgets, over budget for


talent, but in the end there was an unwritten rule you did not walk away


and take your show somewhere else. Now, you have got a plethora of


channel, you have Jeremy Clarkson about to be on Amazon, you have Sky


owning Love Productions. Before we knew it was going to Channel 4, I


thought it more likely it would go to ITV because with the amount of


audience it get, which is much more than Channel 4 gets for any show, so


normally you would escalate up the change, if you see what I mean.


There is no doubt that ITV is looking for a baking show but it


didn't offer for the show. Or they wanted the show knowing that the


talent was signed up, and my understanding is the talent isn't


signed up, and maybe Channel 4's prepared to take the risk of not


having the talent. Why not do a completely new baking show with


their own talent and leave The Great British Bake Off on BBC? It sounds


like Love Productions were going to go any way, that is the thing, that


is what worries me really, because the BBC has invested a huge amount


of license fee payer's money in growing this show, and you know, no


one person is ever responsible for a show, the Commissioner, the


controller, the talent, the writer, everybody contributes to making it a


success, and one of the advantages that the BBC has over other channels


is they have BBC Two, which gets a substantial audience, but is a much


coastier place if you like, a safer place, to grow a show, so this show,


they took the risk on it on a new format, who thought that baking


cakes would become a prime time success? It wasn't a done deal, and


then they agree it on BBC Two, they moved it to BBC One, they further


expanded it with Comic Relief and the spin off show. So the BBC has


just got to be a place to nurture things and it might go out to other


channel, because what... But that is dangerous for the BBC, isn't it,


because the BBC has to have a mixed ecology, you can't only be


experimenting with shows that haven't yet grown an audience, you


need the shows that have the audience to bring to the shows. But


tell me, you know, how does this deal for public service


broadcasting? Channel 4 possibly will be privatised. Surely they will


slap wads of money down. Maybe it was worried it would go ITV and that


would put it as a come petstive disadvantage, because -- competitive


disadvantage. There may be be a new show on the BBC? Will it? Will it


ever be as good as Bake Off, will it be as good on Channel 4? There is


something BBC about it, middle England, middle class, quite nice


and Channel 4 has usually, a lot more edge. Thank you.


That it is for tonight. The day David Cameron announced he is


leaving Parliament it was reported that George Osborne's constituency


is to disappear at the next election.


We'll always remember them as impossibly young backbenchers,


together orchestrating Michael Howard's PMQs.


Do you think you've got a killer blow?


It is something that is in the news and is very current,


and affects lots of people and is something that we actually


believe in terms of police paperwork,


Hello, many parts of the United Kingdom are turning unusually warm


to hot for the time of year. That is away from the weather front to the


west, especially for Northern Ireland and western Scot. You won't


see that bump in temperatures that other parts of the UK are going


With Kirsty Wark. The surgeon of Aleppo, the health of US presidential candidates, The Great British Bake Off will move to Channel 4, plus an exclusive interview with Syrian Islamist fighters.

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