12/09/2016 Newsnight


12/09/2016

With Kirsty Wark. The surgeon of Aleppo, the health of US presidential candidates, The Great British Bake Off, plus an exclusive interview with Syrian Islamist fighters.


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Ceasefire in Syria - but not for Islamic State

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and the jihadists formerly known as Nusra Front.

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A leading figure exclusively tells Newsnight that America and Russia

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can't carry out their plan to hit them without hitting

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It's not uncommon to have one family with members from several groups

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They go fight and they come back to their houses, with their

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JFS is deeply embedded in society and cannot be singled

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And can this really alleviate the suffering?

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We film an extraodinary operation in Aleppo guided

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Hilary Clinton is unwell - she cancels campaigning

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because of a bout of pneumonia, diagnosed but not

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Now Donald Trump is to release his medical records.

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We hear from former candidate Howard Dean.

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Well, that's what the press does, the press doesn't like people's

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privacy, as we say on this side of the Atlantic, so they resent it.

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But if you had Hillary Clinton with the experience of the press,

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The founder of the Daily Beast, Tina Brown, is here to

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I can't believe this has happened to me!

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It's all gone horribly wrong for the BBC.

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Bake Off, which delivered ten million viewers and headlines

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galore, is leaving the broadcaster for the Channel 4 kitchen

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First Top Gear, then The Voice, now this.

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Should the BBC do what it takes to keep their best show,

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or is there a limit to the money? We'll ask former BBC One controller

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executive Lorraine Hegassy what she would have done.

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Just before the ceasefire in Syria which started six hours ago

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President Assad vowed to take back the whole of Syria from rebel groups

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in an interview broadcast on state media.

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The seven day ceasefire includes improved humanitarian access

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and joint US Russian targeting of hardline extremists,

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but a big challenge is how to separate nationalist rebels

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from jihadists, especially as the grouping formerly

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known as the Nusra Front, which has been playing a vital role

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Our reporter Secunder Kermani has had an exclusive interview

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with a representative of the jihadi group.

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On the Muslim festival of sackrifies more bloodshed as regime planes

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bombed rebel held Aleppo, ahead of the ceasefire coming into effect.

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A deal is meant to bring a week of peace allowing aid into besieged

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areas. It is no long-term solution though.

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Assad performed triumph fall prayers in a district newly captured from

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rebels. And vowed to take the entire

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country. Opposition representatives haven't formally signed a deal, and

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many in rebel areas, while glad of any pause in fighting are sceptical.

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One of the key elms in the deal is if the ceasefire holds for a week,

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instead of Assad's Air Force America and Russia will set up a joint

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command, they say to target Isis, and the Jihadist group JFS.

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JFS were until recently called Nusra and were Al-Qaeda's affiliate in

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Syria. They officially severed ties with

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Al-Qaeda. Unlike Isis, they fought a long side mainstream rebel groups

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and have been key in breaking the regime siege of Aleppo. JFS

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spokesman answered questions I e-mails to him about the plans to

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target them. The question is where do they think it exists? They are

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not on another planet. They are parliament of the Syrian society. It

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is not uncommon to have one family with members from several groups

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living in the same house. They go fight and come back to their house,

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with their family, with civilians. JFS is deeply embedded in society,

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and cannot be singled out in any way. They don't govern, and area on

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their own, they are not exclusive to any particular location. America and

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Russia know this very very well. This map shows areas under control

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by different factions in Syria. Isis territory is demarcated but JFS

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jointly controlled areas alongside rebel groups and that ignored the

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complicated aligns in many place, it seems the US is trying to split the

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other rebels away from JFS but they are seen as a powerful ally It is

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seen as a Syrian movement, standing up for Syrians and fighting the

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regime. They are effective particularly in recent offensives in

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Aleppo. It makes no sense to peel away from them. In some ways some of

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the rebel groups could see this as divide and rule by the great powers

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and ignore it. JFS has concentrated on attacking

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the Assad regime but some say despite the official break, they are

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still Al-Qaeda and still a danger. Something their spokesman denies. We

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have been very clear about our split but I will say it again, JFS is not

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an affiliate of Al-Qaeda. We are an independent body working to

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establish the common goals of the revolutionary forces in Syria.

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I asked if that means they oppose events like 9/11? As for 9/11 that

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happened 15 years ago, and is completely irrelevant to what is

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happening in Syrian today. Would you ask Obama to be responsible for

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policies that the United States had in Japan, or Vietnam, or South

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America under previous admin straights? Obviously not. Our

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policies are clear, and that is all that matters.

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The coalition of other rebel groups have tonight indicated they will

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abide by the ceasefire. But they have also strongly criticised the

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plans to attack JFS, this could be one of the key flaws that leads to

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the ceasefire's downfall. JFS was not established to fight

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anyone except the Assad regime and whoever allies with him. Who are the

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terrorists? Hezbollah and the PKK both terrorist organisations,

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according to the US, and they are actively and opening fighting in

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Syria, why are they not targeted For now the ceasefire appears to be

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holding but for many in city like Aleppo, a temporary peace is not

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enough. My wife told me that after sunset we

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will go out, because it is a ceasefire. Now we are able to, I can

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go with you and our daughter without being afraid, or scared about, a bit

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of life, but in general, we want better, we want, what we want, it is

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freedom, OK, to remove Assad. Families tonight have some respite

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from the bombs but for how long? What happens in rebel held parts of

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Syria when hospital doctors are under constant pressure from

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bombing, lack of equipment, and even lack of experience. Well, in Aleppo,

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they call for David knot, the British doctor who specialises in

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emergency scare in war zones and training doctors under fire, this

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week, however, he lent a hand remotely, advising in an operation

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via Skype. John Sweeney was there as he oversaw the reconstruction of a

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man's jaw after an attack. Under ground and under siege. A rare

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glimpse into an operating theatre in Aleppo. Hollywood doesn't do the

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reality of war, so this is what it looks like. When a man has his jaw

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blown off. In rebel held Syria, being a doctor is a dangerous game.

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754 doctors have been actively killed in the north of Syria, since

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the conflict started in 2011, and it suggested that being a medic or even

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a patient in a hospital is probably the worst place you possibly can be

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in, because hospitals are targeted constantly, doctors are targeted

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constantly. Mohammed was hit they say by a Russian bomb which also

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killed two of his friends. They have never done a jaw reconstruction

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before, but if they don't, the chances for this father of three are

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slim. David Knot is a London surgeon who went to Aleppo two years ago to

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train surgeon, now they have asked him to direct the jaw operation via

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Skype and what's app. How exciting is this? It is one of the most

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exciting things I have done. Being able to direct surgeons who are I

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have trained, I have trained them when I was this in Syria, they know

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me and they have confidence in me that I know them, I have confidence

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in them, I know what they can do, sow between the two of us, we can do

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this operation. -- so. We believe this is a world

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first. A selfie stick being used to transport an eminent London surgeon

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into a basement hospital in a besieged city. I want you to take an

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incision which goes to take the whole of the major muscle, so I want

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you to make an incision, laterally, below the laterally below the

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nipple, to start to mobilise the major muscle. OK?

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What about the nipple. I make two flaps and mobilise. That is fine.

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The challenge is that the doctors are young and enthusiastic but they

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are inexperienced. David Knot, he knows what he is doing, and the two

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sets of doctors are connecting with the latest in our amazing digital

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technology, but of course batteries go down. The line drops out. It is

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difficult, but nevertheless the two sets of doctors are breaking the

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siege of Aleppo. There is a small problem here. OK.

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We can't put two screws... The doctors solve their problem then

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David explained to me the complexity of the operation. This is the

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muscle, and this is the muscle which has an artery comes off just below

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the collarbone, so we preserve that artery, to this muscle, we have put

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an area of skin on here as well, so we are going to move that right up

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into the man's jaw, and we are going to put it underneath the metal plate

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and then the skin goes over the top, so the skin will come here, and the

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muscle will cover the plate. So you won't know when you look at him he

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has a plate in his mouth? Correct. You have done a wonderful job today.

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Thanks to you. How good as Dr Knot been in terms of helping you do this

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operation? How valuable has been his help, is the question? We are very

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thankful for Dr Knot, because it's a very difficult and complex

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operation. We can't do it alone. We need some help, and we can't go

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outside of Aleppo. We must do it here. This was never about just

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saving the life of one man. Now that the doctors in Aleppo know the

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technique, they can operate on other patients. But it is also about

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reminding them and their patients, that the world has not quite

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forgotten Aleppo. Joining me now from Washington

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DC is Farah al Atassi, a spokeswoman for

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the Syrian opposition Good evening to you. Can we talk

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about what you make of the ceasefire, do you think the deal is

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a good one? First of all, they did not receive an official copy of the

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US-Russian agreement yet, we cannot comment on it in an official way, we

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need a copy of this agreement so we can analyse it, we can discuss any

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defaults, in terms of enforcement measurements and then we can give an

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official statement and response about how do we view this agreement?

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However, from previous agreements between the Russian and the

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American, the HNC and other Syrian opposition group responds positively

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towards any international efforts that will really halt violence in

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Syria, particularly putting pressure on the Assad regime and his allies

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in stopping the bombardment and air strikes against civilian targets,

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including the Russians themselves, so if this agreement really enforced

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fully by the regime, absolutely we welcome it. And we saw you, images

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of children out playing on swings tonight, just the inStans youly

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different feeling they have -- instantaneously feeling they have, I

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wonder what you think will be the progress of this, what do you think

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the Russians intention is? As I said, from previous experience of

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prior agreements between the Russians and the American, it was

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the Russians who breached the agreements they made themselves,

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even the day after the agreement was announced, the Russian conducted an

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air strikes on the suburb of Idlib, and we have around 15 Syrian

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civilians were killed in that by the Russians themselves, so I said it is

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premature to assess how this agreement will be workable on the

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ground, we hope it is will workable on the ground, we we pray it will be

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workable on the ground, even secretary Carey -- Kerry today he

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raised some suspicions and he said it might not work well, but we have

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to wait, just, we need to see how the regime will abide with this

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agreement, the Armed Forces they always welcomed the channel of the

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humanitarian aid, and they say they are ready to protect the channel of

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the humanitarian aid, and they will reflect positively towards this.

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Earlier in the programme we had a representative of the former Nusra

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front JFS on the programme, saying that actually because they were very

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much in the forefront of in the battle for 11 and that I are as it

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were embedded in different napes and so forth, that the idea of

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separating them out as a legitimate target, as opposed to moderate

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opposition is impossible. What do you say to that? I am not a military

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expert. I can comment on political issue, however, gee graph Che and

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strategically that statement is true. And realistic because it is so

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hard to really isolate the civilians places because a lot of this places

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and areas are besieged by the Syrian regime and Iranian militia, so you

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cannot really recognise the Free Syrian Army from other armed, you

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know, maybe for fanatic groups so they are somehow, it is intertwined,

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that is why we read today a statement by most of the military

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armed groups on the ground, an article number eight, they are

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saying clearly that the agreement excludes some forces from the

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agreement, however, they did not talk about other militia fighting,

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or militia fighting beside the regime, like Hezbollah, like...

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All of these forces are on the ground and all of them are

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intertwined. Thank you for joining us tonight.

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Now if you caught Newsnight pretty much any night last week you'll know

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we have taken a keen interest in the progress - or lack of it -

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of a report by MPs into the use of UK arms by Saudi Arabia

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Last Tuesday, Gabriel Gatehouse obtained a draft of the report

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which was highly critical of the Saudis.

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It found that it was "inevitable" that British weapons had been

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involved in violations of international law and that arms

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sales to Saudi were "very possibly in contravention

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The report called for arms sales to Saudi Arabia

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But some MPs had other ideas - a second leak revealed how two

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pro-Saudi MPs were attempting to water down the report.

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Here's how the report would change if amendments tabled by John Spellar

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and Crispin Blunt, the influential chair of the Foreign Affairs

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Last Thursday Blunt came on Newsnight to explain why

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I also asked him if he'd walked out of the committee to freeze its work

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That portrays a misunderstanding of how this particular...

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...collection of four committee's works.

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Whatever comes out of this particular, of the oversight of arms

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Did you walk out last night, Crispin Blunt?

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I am not going to talk about a committee process

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over the lengths Blunt has gone to in order to -

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Yes, Crispin Blunt is not giving up. He has provided a new report and

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essentially his acknowledging he will not get the numbers he wants to

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soften the criticisms of Saudi Arabia and pull back on a ban on

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arms sales to the kingdom. He is writing what he is describing as an

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alternative report and he is planning to put that to the

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committee he chairs, the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, tomorrow

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afternoon, and he will essentially say to the members of that

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committee, let's agree to this and tack it onto the end of the report

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when he is not going to get his way. He may get it just about past his

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committee but he certainly will not get unanimous agreement for that.

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And that is not all he is talking about? He says the arms committee,

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which has defence, foreign affairs, International affairs and the

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business committee is not working, and he says there should be one

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select committee that does that work... His? No, he is a senseless

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chap, he says it should be a new committee. Now, the members of that

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committee may think the most important thing is to look at the

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number of exports, rather than ethical questions about arms sales

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to Saudi Arabia. This evening I spoke to Crispin Blunt and this is

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what he told me. I have no comment on the private

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proceeding of my committee or other select committees. When we are in a

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position to say something publicly then of course I'd be happy to do

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so. Nick, thank you.

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How big a deal to American voters is Hilary Clinton's bout

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of "walking pneumonia", - in other words a mild

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Donald Trump speaking this morning on Fox News said he hopes

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the Democrat candidate gets well soon, and then immediately announced

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he that was going to release his own medical records.

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Health, he says, is an issue in the campaign, and he'll be

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releasing what he calls "very specific numbers".

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So everything, it seems, is fair game

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Will Hillary be accused of hiding her health history -

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diagnosed on Friday, forced to reveal it on Sunday

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Here is Emily. This is the Hillary she wants you to

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know, the fighter, the woman of strength. And this is the Hillary

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you will have seen a lot of today, played silently on a loop. The woozy

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wobble as she struggles to stay upright, even losing issue as she

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crumples into the car. The decision from the campaign to attract Hillary

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from the 9/11 memorial service without telling any reporters for

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about 90 minutes was incredibly short-sighted and foolish, given

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that there were all these conspiracy theories already swirling about her

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health. Her emergency exit from the memorial service was followed by 90

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minutes where nobody knew what to think. Unexpectedly left early

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because of what appears to be a medical episode... And then the

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revelation she had been diagnosed two days earlier with pneumonia.

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We're breaking news on Hillary Clinton's health. Something which

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seemed retrospectively to explain this. A Cleveland coughing fit,

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rescued at the 11th hour with a stab at a joke. Every time I think about

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Trump, I get a coughing fit. Was this cover-up a mistake? The press

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does not like people's privacy but... Here is the man you might

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remember from this moment, the Iowa caucus of 2004. The screen that

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spells the sound of his own presidential hopes slipping away.

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The whole thing did not slip away from a because of the I have a

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scream speech, the whole thing slipped away because we were not

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organised. This is not slipping away from Hillary Clinton, it is not

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going to slip away from Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton will be the

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next president of the United States because the alternative is

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unthinkable. Unthinkable to Democrats but the whole thing will

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give credence to something of a trump conspiracy, that Hillary was

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too ill to stand. This evening he revealed his own medical records

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live on TV. I took a physical and I will be revealing the numbers when

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they come in. Hopefully they will be good, I feel great. Clinton will

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miss a couple of days of campaigning to rest. Somewhere lurks the

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question they cannot ask, her constitutional contingency plan if

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the nominee herself cannot stand. Tisbury difficult in the United

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States whereby presidents and presidential candidates have an

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existence which is separated from the party because it is a

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presidential system rather than a parliamentary system. We have not

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had such close to horse race for some time so the sound as people

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would claim that Bernie had a legitimate right to be on the

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ticket, even if only as a vice president running mate because Kane

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would have to nominate someone and how would it have to be approved? It

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would have to be done by some sort of process approved by the

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Democratic National committee. Clinton has seen something of a

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narrowing in the polls in recent days. She is still ahead nationally

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and in most of the battle ground states. Convincing the public she is

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fit might be the work of antibiotics and a few days in bed. But

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convincing the public she has nothing to hide, that is a battle

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she has been fighting for two and a half decades and it probably will

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not disappear when the cough does. Tina Brown is the former editor

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of Vanity Fair, The New Yorker, I asked her if Hillary had done

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damage by being secretive? Does question about who she has done

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damage with. Politically it gives rise to another round of lack of

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transparency. Why didn't she reveal it before? With the public, I am not

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so sure. I think there will be a lot of sympathy for a woman who has been

:25:51.:25:55.

brutally pummelled from one whole year on the campaign trail. And when

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people learn she was diagnosed Friday and yet she went on and did

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it to our national security meeting, she went to Barbra Streisand

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fundraiser, she did another fundraiser, she went to the 9/11

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event, she was trying to soldier on. In many ways people will say this

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woman is valiant and why is everybody on her case? Howard Dean

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said to us, why doesn't she just do things on Skype? Why does she use

:26:21.:26:26.

social media more? Why does she have to be ever present? On the other

:26:27.:26:33.

hand, a whole bunch of people on CNN were saying why didn't she go to

:26:34.:26:38.

talk to people more, why was she raising money in the Hamptons in

:26:39.:26:40.

August when she could have done stuff like this? I think Hillary

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does feel that connecting with real people and hearing what they have to

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say is as important to her as them talking -- is heard talking to them.

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That is why she goes out on the trail will stop does this matter to

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the voters? If she becomes ill again, does this build a picture? It

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does, unfortunately. Only 35% of Americans polled by CNN in the last

:27:10.:27:14.

poll said they thought she was honest or trustworthy. 50% amazingly

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think Trump is honest or trustworthy. It is not a great

:27:19.:27:23.

figure for either of them but it is remarkable because pretty much

:27:24.:27:26.

everything comes out of Donald Trump is that mouth is fallacious and he

:27:27.:27:30.

has a higher trust rating than Hillary Clinton. Only 80% think what

:27:31.:27:35.

Trump says is true whereas 50% is true. It is a very difficult thing

:27:36.:27:44.

for her. And unfortunately this has taken root. What have we come to

:27:45.:27:48.

where we will have the disclosure of Donald Trump's medical records which

:27:49.:27:53.

will be very specific and detailed, and actually, to run as a

:27:54.:27:57.

presidential candidate, you have to have full health disclosure? What is

:27:58.:28:03.

amusing with Donald Trump is he did one disclosure but it was by a

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giggling gastroenterologist who said his health was unbelievably terrific

:28:10.:28:13.

or awesomely amazing or some unlikely adjective. But

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unfortunately, yes, everyone will basically have to reveal how much

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under an head they have for the public scrutiny and be told that is

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relevant. It is absolutely grotesque. It has become the most

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brutal gladiatorial blood fest. If she is feeling ill right now, who

:28:32.:28:38.

can blame her? Does seem strange. Roosevelt was in a wheelchair, it

:28:39.:28:44.

did not make him a lesser president. People make judgments and here we

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are in the middle of the Paralympics. I could not agree more.

:28:48.:28:52.

The one thing you could not accuse Hillary Clinton of is lack of

:28:53.:28:57.

stamina. The woman is an unbelievable Sherman tank in energy.

:28:58.:29:01.

She wore down Obama to the bone crisp in the last election. She went

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to the bitter end. And then she turned around having lost, and did

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250 fundraisers for Obama without so much as a weekend. To use the

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stamina point with Hillary is. You may dislike her but she can out run

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anyone. And should age be an issue at all? In this moment, I did think

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either of the candidates really are old to run for president because we

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live in a different era. Trump is 70 and Hillary is 68. They are both

:29:35.:29:38.

getting up there. We have had a much younger president in Obama but we

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have also had all the presidents with Reagan. I think in this era,

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this age is not too old to run for president but I think it is

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enormously the key game and you cannot do it without very good

:29:52.:29:55.

health. I think Hillary's health is fine. She's very exhausted now and

:29:56.:30:00.

she has had this cough which has plagued her and has perhaps been

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wrongly diagnosed. I do know. That is the point we're most interested

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in. Tina Brown, thank you for joining us.

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Ron Christie is CEO of Christie Strategies

:30:11.:30:11.

which is a political strategy firm and he is a former senior

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Good evening, first of all, is Donald Trump right to make hay out

:30:15.:30:22.

of Hillary Clinton's health scare? I don't think so, I think this is the

:30:23.:30:27.

time where you look at the former Secretary of State and you say you

:30:28.:30:31.

wish her well, you want the see her back on the campaign trail. Mr Trump

:30:32.:30:35.

was very subdued talking art her health today, that is where it

:30:36.:30:39.

should be. He was subdued at fist but he announced he would be

:30:40.:30:43.

releasing his very specific medical records, he said and apparently he

:30:44.:30:47.

will be doing it live on television. So he is making a deal out of it.

:30:48.:30:55.

Well, with Donald Trump seefrmgs to be reality TV show, he said he had

:30:56.:30:59.

his physical taken last week, it shows he has a physical because the

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Secretary of State had her incident yet, it is very important for the

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American people to understand the health of their next President of

:31:08.:31:10.

the United States, and to ascertain whether north they have the stamina,

:31:11.:31:13.

they have the Fitzpatrick #k58 ability to do the job. -- physical

:31:14.:31:16.

ability to do the job. I can tell you it is gruelling at the staff

:31:17.:31:20.

level, it is more brutal for the President and the Vice President.

:31:21.:31:25.

You heard Tina Brown saying Hillary Clinton has the stamina of a Sherman

:31:26.:31:30.

tank, she did fund-raisers for Barack Obama, do you think there are

:31:31.:31:35.

doubts about her staying power if she were to become President,

:31:36.:31:39.

really? Yes, really. I am very worried about her health, she has

:31:40.:31:43.

not been very healthy this year, she is the first one to tell you that,

:31:44.:31:47.

the Secretary of State needs to come out and this is one of the reasons I

:31:48.:31:52.

think her disapproval numbers are so high, her trustworthiness numbers

:31:53.:31:55.

are so low, with the Clintons it is a drip, drip, drip. As a former

:31:56.:32:01.

Obama, the Obama administration official said set it out there,

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level with the American people, say here is my health condition, here is

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how I am feeling, I am feeling great. Put it behind her, the longer

:32:09.:32:12.

it takes for the Secretary of State to come out with her medical

:32:13.:32:16.

condition the ling doubts Americans have. Interestingly, what is the

:32:17.:32:21.

hierarchy of health is this we know there is lots of American have for

:32:22.:32:28.

example die Beattie, if Donald Trump was, to have that, do you think

:32:29.:32:33.

there would be a problem as it affects so much of the population

:32:34.:32:40.

She has a diagnosis of pneumonia, I almost died of pneumonia, I was out

:32:41.:32:46.

for several months in his 20, if I almost died in my 20, you have a

:32:47.:32:53.

68-year-old candidate who has been campaigning rerentlessly, people

:32:54.:32:55.

need to know the extent of what type she had and whether she is on the

:32:56.:32:58.

mend. I would say one other thing, given the fact she was here at

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Ground Zero yesterday, she was shaking hands with people, kissing

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baby, it is a extraordinarily contagious disease, if she had

:33:08.:33:11.

pneumonia why would she put people at risk? That is the question people

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want to know. Thank you very much for joining us.

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Bake Off, a British phenomenon, and a show that delivered the BBC

:33:17.:33:22.

10 million viewers on BBC One, is going to Channel Four.

:33:23.:33:25.

Will there be no more Mary and Paul, Mel and Sue on the Beeb?

:33:26.:33:28.

Love Productions, who make the programme for BBC,

:33:29.:33:30.

said that it is with regret that they have been unable

:33:31.:33:33.

to reach agreement on terms to renew the commission.

:33:34.:33:35.

So what will happen to a show which built up from a low audience

:33:36.:33:38.

on BBC Two six years ago to a raging success, and made Mary Berry

:33:39.:33:42.

and Paul Hollywood, and the most recent winner,

:33:43.:33:44.

Will Bake Off rise once more on Channel Four

:33:45.:33:47.

And is that the kind of fare Channel Four was set up to deliver?

:33:48.:33:52.

Here's our resident baker's boy Stephen Smith.

:33:53.:34:05.

Bake Off is the jewel in the crown of the BBC's schedules,

:34:06.:34:08.

or at least the glazed sultana in Auntie's Chelsea bun.

:34:09.:34:19.

This is your chance to get your dough prodded

:34:20.:34:21.

It is perfect comfort telly with its recipe

:34:22.:34:30.

of mildly salty banter, and 1950s WI resourcefulness.

:34:31.:34:32.

Carry On meets "Keep calm and carry on."

:34:33.:34:35.

It generates 10 million viewers a week and it is prime content.

:34:36.:34:49.

The BBC played a big role in helping that success.

:34:50.:34:51.

There is no question it is a blow to them.

:34:52.:34:53.

But I think there was an air of inevitability of bout it

:34:54.:34:56.

because as the price for premium content gets higher and higher,

:34:57.:34:59.

with increased competition with the likes of Amazon, Netflix,

:35:00.:35:02.

ITV, Sky and Channel 4 in the mix, it will become harder

:35:03.:35:04.

and harder for the BBC to bid for these types of rights.

:35:05.:35:11.

From modest beginnings on this channel, Bake Off has made stars

:35:12.:35:22.

But the BBC said tonight it was a considerable distance apart

:35:23.:35:25.

from the programme makers Love Productions over money.

:35:26.:35:34.

That is a scrapbook of our careers from the very beginning.

:35:35.:35:42.

All the nice things that people said about us?

:35:43.:35:44.

What about the nasty things people said about us?

:35:45.:35:47.

It is an ancient piece of showbiz wisdom known as Chiles' law,

:35:48.:35:52.

that popular presenters jump ship from the Beeb at their peril.

:35:53.:35:55.

A plane carrying 15 tonnes of rhubarb.

:35:56.:35:56.

Eric and Ernie were never the same on commercial TV.

:35:57.:36:11.

The BBC will back themselves to create another great hit

:36:12.:36:13.

like Bake Off, or at least to be part of creating this

:36:14.:36:16.

great successful show, and really that is the BBC's remit,

:36:17.:36:18.

and at a time when there is such scrutiny on its charter,

:36:19.:36:21.

with the new draft charter being published on Thursday

:36:22.:36:23.

by the Government, it knows really that it has to prove

:36:24.:36:26.

that it is distinctive and coming up with new content.

:36:27.:36:38.

So you'll still be able to enjoy a version of this programme

:36:39.:36:41.

on another channel somewhere up the dial, but for the BBC,

:36:42.:36:43.

Here tonight is Lorraine Heggessey, former controller of BBC One and

:36:44.:36:49.

head of the TV production company Talkback Thames.

:36:50.:36:57.

First of all, we understand that it is three, three series and it could

:36:58.:37:04.

be 25 million a series, more than double what the BBC, should the BBC

:37:05.:37:09.

have paid up? They couldn't pay up, they haven't got enough money to pay

:37:10.:37:13.

up, probe, they had to decide where to draw a line, I think this is one

:37:14.:37:18.

of the issues that the BBC faces, because commercial broadcasts can go

:37:19.:37:22.

for value pricinger the more successful a show is, the more

:37:23.:37:25.

advertising ref few, the more they can afford to pay. Of course on

:37:26.:37:30.

Channel 4 they can do all sorts of product placement that I can. They

:37:31.:37:36.

can commercially exploit the programme than perhaps you can on

:37:37.:37:39.

the BBC where there are lots of rules. Will it be, we don't know

:37:40.:37:44.

anything yet, can it be the great British Bake Off? Let me just tell

:37:45.:37:50.

you what Channel 4, you will know this well was charged with,

:37:51.:37:56.

innovative, experiment and and distinctive so you nick a BBC

:37:57.:38:00.

success hit to be innovative and experimental? Well, obviously

:38:01.:38:03.

Channel 4 has to fight for its place as well, and my understanding is

:38:04.:38:08.

that talks broke down between the BBC and Love Productions. At 3.00,

:38:09.:38:14.

they signed with Channel 4 at seven. A coincidence! In my day there were

:38:15.:38:19.

often tough negotiations over programme budgets, over budget for

:38:20.:38:22.

talent, but in the end there was an unwritten rule you did not walk away

:38:23.:38:26.

and take your show somewhere else. Now, you have got a plethora of

:38:27.:38:31.

channel, you have Jeremy Clarkson about to be on Amazon, you have Sky

:38:32.:38:36.

owning Love Productions. Before we knew it was going to Channel 4, I

:38:37.:38:41.

thought it more likely it would go to ITV because with the amount of

:38:42.:38:45.

audience it get, which is much more than Channel 4 gets for any show, so

:38:46.:38:49.

normally you would escalate up the change, if you see what I mean.

:38:50.:38:52.

There is no doubt that ITV is looking for a baking show but it

:38:53.:38:56.

didn't offer for the show. Or they wanted the show knowing that the

:38:57.:38:59.

talent was signed up, and my understanding is the talent isn't

:39:00.:39:03.

signed up, and maybe Channel 4's prepared to take the risk of not

:39:04.:39:07.

having the talent. Why not do a completely new baking show with

:39:08.:39:10.

their own talent and leave The Great British Bake Off on BBC? It sounds

:39:11.:39:14.

like Love Productions were going to go any way, that is the thing, that

:39:15.:39:18.

is what worries me really, because the BBC has invested a huge amount

:39:19.:39:22.

of license fee payer's money in growing this show, and you know, no

:39:23.:39:27.

one person is ever responsible for a show, the Commissioner, the

:39:28.:39:31.

controller, the talent, the writer, everybody contributes to making it a

:39:32.:39:35.

success, and one of the advantages that the BBC has over other channels

:39:36.:39:39.

is they have BBC Two, which gets a substantial audience, but is a much

:39:40.:39:43.

coastier place if you like, a safer place, to grow a show, so this show,

:39:44.:39:48.

they took the risk on it on a new format, who thought that baking

:39:49.:39:51.

cakes would become a prime time success? It wasn't a done deal, and

:39:52.:39:56.

then they agree it on BBC Two, they moved it to BBC One, they further

:39:57.:40:00.

expanded it with Comic Relief and the spin off show. So the BBC has

:40:01.:40:04.

just got to be a place to nurture things and it might go out to other

:40:05.:40:08.

channel, because what... But that is dangerous for the BBC, isn't it,

:40:09.:40:12.

because the BBC has to have a mixed ecology, you can't only be

:40:13.:40:15.

experimenting with shows that haven't yet grown an audience, you

:40:16.:40:18.

need the shows that have the audience to bring to the shows. But

:40:19.:40:24.

tell me, you know, how does this deal for public service

:40:25.:40:26.

broadcasting? Channel 4 possibly will be privatised. Surely they will

:40:27.:40:33.

slap wads of money down. Maybe it was worried it would go ITV and that

:40:34.:40:42.

would put it as a come petstive disadvantage, because -- competitive

:40:43.:40:47.

disadvantage. There may be be a new show on the BBC? Will it? Will it

:40:48.:40:54.

ever be as good as Bake Off, will it be as good on Channel 4? There is

:40:55.:41:01.

something BBC about it, middle England, middle class, quite nice

:41:02.:41:04.

and Channel 4 has usually, a lot more edge. Thank you.

:41:05.:41:10.

That it is for tonight. The day David Cameron announced he is

:41:11.:41:13.

leaving Parliament it was reported that George Osborne's constituency

:41:14.:41:16.

is to disappear at the next election.

:41:17.:41:19.

We'll always remember them as impossibly young backbenchers,

:41:20.:41:21.

together orchestrating Michael Howard's PMQs.

:41:22.:41:22.

Do you think you've got a killer blow?

:41:23.:41:26.

It is something that is in the news and is very current,

:41:27.:41:32.

and affects lots of people and is something that we actually

:41:33.:41:34.

believe in terms of police paperwork,

:41:35.:41:36.

Hello, many parts of the United Kingdom are turning unusually warm

:41:37.:42:13.

to hot for the time of year. That is away from the weather front to the

:42:14.:42:16.

west, especially for Northern Ireland and western Scot. You won't

:42:17.:42:20.

see that bump in temperatures that other parts of the UK are going

:42:21.:42:22.

With Kirsty Wark. The surgeon of Aleppo, the health of US presidential candidates, The Great British Bake Off will move to Channel 4, plus an exclusive interview with Syrian Islamist fighters.


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