02/11/2016 Newsnight

I love that sign, blacks for Tromp, I love that's fine, thank you. We're

doing great with the African-American community.

But it is right to say that Hillary Clinton has

The early signs are that black voters are not yet turning out

in the numbers that the Clinton campaign would want.

We'll ask why, and take the measure of what is happening

A black church in Mississippi is torched and vandalised with the

words vote Trump. Democrats believe it is an attempt to keep

African-Americans away from the polls.

And we're in Florida, a state without which no candidate

Also, we'll hear from Hollywood actress Susan Sarandon,

who is not voting for either of them.

I don't vote with my joiner, this is bigger than that. I don't want to

spend a lot of time talking about Trump and Hillary.

Also tonight - anyone out there old enough

We're right to be scared about inflation. It tells us somewhere or

other, the macroeconomic framework is wrong. It tells us about

dysfunction somewhere in the economy.

And this - on British television's 80th birthday,

the lengths we go to to track down, or even remake, the lost classics.

Someone once said that the only reason we have elections is to see

Not quite true in the case of this American election,

where a lot is at stake, but the polls are complex to read,

and the late Trump momentum makes it an interesting contest to watch.

Trumpeters might like to argue that there is increasing

We'll see that it may more likely be a lack

But let's go straight to Florida, where Mr Trump was campaigning

Mark, everybody has memories of Florida playing such a big part on

results counting night of American elections past. What is the picture

that tonight? Well, absolutely, as you say, in 2012 Eric Obama won this

state by just 74,000 votes. But because of the way the system works,

that gave him the thumping 29 seats all vote of the electoral college,

the Florida electoral college. More than 10% of the total you need

across this whole country to get the White House. It is the key battle

ground state. Since 2012, the number of registered Republicans has grown

by 400,000 vis-a-vis Democrats. So that's why Donald Trump today was

saying that he is confident they are going to win, but they don't want to

show too much confidence. Can you call it? Well, look, it's definitely

got... Hillary Clinton was in the lead. It has definitely got title.

It is now too close to call. One poll today had Hillary Clinton one

point in front, others say it is within the statistical margin of

error. One key thing here - 3.7 million Florida citizens have

already voted. The polling amongst them should give the hell Hillary

Clinton camp some confidence. Thank you, Mark. Sorry about the delay on

the line. Somehow, she is not getting support

from those that might support her. There are those on the left

who don't like Trump, but simply think voting for more

of the same old people like Hillary I suppose it is a philosophy that

says you don't use a vote to select Someone who encapsulates this

problem for Clinton is the Hollywood actress and activist Susan Sarandon,

and I spoke to her A Bernie Sanders supporter,

she has strong views At the moment, she is opposing

a proposed oil pipeline. As you will hear, it's

the Dakota Access pipeline. It's an oil pipeline

which is stretching across North Dakota and an area

of land belonging to She's also concerned about it having

a similar effect to fracking I started by asking her why

she was campaigning on the issue. These corporations, these big banks,

everybody who is funding this makes sure that people don't know what is

going on. People didn't understand fracking for the longest time. In

order to stop the fracking in the States that have stopped it, it

wasn't because it was progressive, it was because people finally

understood, and people were turning on their taps and finding out water

shooting out of it, they were not Democrats or Republicans, they were

people who couldn't even live in their houses. This is not a partisan

issue, except for the fact that nobody has information. One of the

things we have to do now, just like in South Africa, is to start

withdrawing our money from the big banks that are funding the

pipelines. People like me who know about the pipeline and have been

opposed to the pipeline, we have to put our money where mouth is. You

have to stop liking the wit and passing pleats around. If you can't

go there, at least withdraw your money -- liking tweets. I understand

why supporting the Green candidate, there are so many people that will

have the worldview that you have who will say, that is an indulgence at

this point, it is a battle between Clinton and Trump, ultimately you

have to make a choice between one of those two. OK, ultimately I don't

have to make the choice to vote against my own best interests,

because the reason we are in the situation we're in is because

everyone has been voting the lesser of two evils also wrong. It's

important to have a new party it is important to get these independent

candidates to 5%. Hillary Clinton is almost certainly going to win, she's

got all of the press, the networks, the newspapers behind her. It's

important to vote not only with my conscience but to get that 5% up. A

lot of people don't want to vote at all. I would urge them to vote the

down ticket, but for the future. Abraham Lincoln was the third party

candidate. The DNC, having seen what I saw during the primary, is so

corrupt it is not worthy of our votes. If you woke up on Wednesday

morning next week and it is president Trump, you won't feel an

ounce of contrition or regret? Everything that I care about, I'm

worried about the war is, I'm worried about Syria and all of these

things that actually exist. I'm worried about fracking and the

environment. No matter who gets in, they don't address these things,

because money has taken over our system. For me, it doesn't matter.

The fact that Bernie Sanders, you have been a big fan of him and

supported him, he says, you've got to vote for Hillary and make that

choice in this election. Does that carry no weight with you? Bernie

also said, no matter who I tell you to vote for, don't vote with me,

vote with your heart. The thing you should be focusing gone, that we

have to focus on, is taking the Senate and the House back. If you

notice all the talk about the Supreme Court, Judge Obama hasn't

been able to get his guy in there. We have to take it with

progressives, the House and the Senate. That is where things are

going to be decided. We have to get the money out of that part of the

super delegates who also lobbyists. Citizen united has done terrible

things to the government. You have to go and vote down, that is equally

as important, that's what we are going to be left with. Depending on

what happens the House and the Senate, nobody can get anything

done. A lot of young women think it is the most natural thing in the

world that you might have a woman president. A lot of women of your

generation might take the view that that is a big thing for the United

States to elect a woman president. Does that not sway you to say,

Hillary Clinton, first woman president, that would be a big

moment for the US, in a good way? You know, I want the right woman.

There are women that have, you know, great women that have, that I

admire, that have headed nations, and you've had a woman, and I don't

know how you felt about that. I don't vote with my gender, this is

bigger than that. I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about

Trump and Hillary, that's not why I'm here. This is bigger than who

wins the election. This water... I mean, what is everything, it's not

going to matter what happens in this election if we don't have water. And

we are in a very, very dangerous place all over. You have fracking

issues in England. We have to start looking at the greed that is

corrupting our water source for future generations. And on top of

that, the racism that goes into what's going on in this pipeline.

Susan Sarandon, it's been interesting hearing that

perspective, thank you so much. You're welcome.

Now, Hillary Clinton's problem Part Two.

She needs black and Hispanic voters on her side.

Not just to support her in opinion polls, but to actually go out

African Americans certainly did vote when Obama was on the ticket,

and for the Democrats, it would be huge if they could

bottle that support and carry it into this and future elections.

But the indications from early voting though are that the Obama

Perhaps lack of enthusiasm affects that community.

It is no wonder, that it's all hands on deck to mobilise that support.

Here is somebody who has dedicated her life to making

While Donald Trump and his dad were being sued, by the Department

of Justice for denying housing the African-American families...

No, I'm not making this up, I'm just stating facts.

At that same time, Hillary was going undercover from school

to school to make sure that disadvantaged kids were getting

That tells you something about their respective values.

And Hillary hasn't stopped fighting for justice.

Hasn't stopped fighting for equality ever since.

Her heart has always been in the right place.

Race is definitely an issue. What are you hearing that? Well, today we

awoke to news that a black church in Mississippi had been thwarted and

found lies with the words, vote Trump. Police are calling it a hate

crime that amounts to vote in the mid-. It is an extreme case, but one

that the Democrats fear is happening in several other states, suppression

of the black vote. North Carolina, a critical swing state, has seen early

voting Beckett hailed in many black neighbourhoods through a new

Republican-backed law, indeed, a federal appeals court has accused

those behind it of an almost surgical assault on back turnout.

Other residents have found themselves removed from the

electoral register without being advised how or even why. Democrats

believe it is a thematic attempt to keep African-Americans from the

polls, knowing or believing that they would go frequent and over

Trump. Hillary's problem is not just the suppression of those black

votes, is it? I guess it's not. It's also of course the personalities

involved. Obama won 92% of the African-American vote and be under

45 is. They fear that Clinton just won't have that same appeal. Here is

what you have to wonder is Donbas might early voting is where

Democrats get their numbers up. Republicans tend to leave it

conservatively until the day itself. Nobody has counted any actual

ballots yet. But the data suggests that African-Americans are failing

to vote at those levels they did four years ago. We've heard Obama

earlier, we've heard him on the stump for Clinton, he is usually

relaxed, dropped joking around. But last night there was a new urgency

in his voice. It was petitioning people to go out and vote. Clearly

there may not be the same incentive for them to vote Clinton as they did

Obama. But think about this, if the black vote stays at home it is also

in some sense a referendum on what he himself is achieved or fail to

achieve in his time in power. Thank you, Emily.

We're joined now from Florida by Leslie Wimes,

founder and President of the Democratic

Thank you for joining us. Just describe what you think is

happening? In Florida, do you think there is a large degree of

African-American abstention in this election? Thank you for having me. I

think what has happened is Hillary Clinton's campaign decided that they

were going to just use surrogates to get the African-American vote out.

And that was a mistake. We love President Obama, we support

President Obama, but that love and support has not transferred to

Hillary Clinton. What she needed to do was engage the African-American

community on her own. Her campaign needed to get into the communities,

engage the people and, you know, encourage the African-American

community to vote for her on her own merit. And that didn't happen.

Because that didn't happen, she's not seeing the numbers in the early

voting. You know, we're going to go out, we're going to listen to Barack

Obama, we are going to enjoy his rallies. But, you know, she did not

present her case to the community. And you're seeing it in the numbers.

She is not getting people to the polls. Would you say that the

African-American community or indifferent between a Clinton

victory and they Trump victory? Are they quite prepared to say, Trump

wins, that's OK with us? I don't think that it is... I wouldn't look

at it that way. I think what it is is the community is saying, you

know, what's the difference? I think they are saying that, you know, no

matter who gets in, is it going to make a difference to our issues? She

needed to get into the community and speak to the issues. She couldn't

just rely on President Obama, and that's what she did. Right now, with

President Obama being the president, we're still seeing our young men

being shot dead in the streets, we're still seeing our unemployment

rates sky-high, and systemic racism. She needed to get in and really,

really say, hey, I'm for you, I'm rooting for you. She didn't do that.

If she is not going to get into the communities and make her case,

what's the difference between her and Trump? It's interesting you

should put it that way. Many would say, I mean, you could characterised

the Trump candidacy as something of an angry white backlash against

political correctness and things that have been done over the last 30

years in the United States. I'm interested that that is not how

people are reading it. They are saying, they are all as bad as each

other. I'm sorry, what was that? It's just interesting that people

would be saying, all of the candidates or as bad as each other,

you know, given what looks like quite a big difference between the

candidates, from here. What you have do understand is that the black

community feels like their boat has been taken for granted for a very

long time by the Democratic party. So what the Clinton campaign needed

to do was to get into the community and say, we're not taking due for

granted. There is not a push to quote the vote, to say, hey, I'm not

taking you for granted. It's the same old, same old. If she is not

getting into the community and engaging the community it's like,

hey, you're taking before granted so why should I get out and support

you? You have to look at it like, 2008 and 2012 was historic. You have

the first African-American president. There was a connection

there. She doesn't have that same black Obama connection, she needs to

really get into the community and really push her candidacy, and she

didn't do that. How many black Americans do you know that are going

to vote for Donald Trump, who say, actually, I like what Donald Trump

says about Mexicans and building walls and all that other stuff? To

be perfectly honest with you, I know one!

LAUGHTER One person has said, I'm going to

vote for Donald Trump. I don't know anyone who is going to rush out and

vote for Donald Trump, it's just that they are not enthusiastic about

Hillary Clinton, that's the big. Is that thing you must reflect on, when

Barack Obama became president, we thought we might be in an era of

post-racial politics in the US and everything would stabilise. It feels

from here as boat race is as big or bigger issue than it has been for a

long time. -- that race is as big an issue. It is a remarkably divided

society at the moment. You know, it is sad, it is sad that it had to be

that way, but it is. That's another reason why she needed to get into

the community and say, hey, I'm really pushing for change. It was a

great opportunity for her to do that. It is a missed opportunity.

We've got rather used to low inflation,

So you might like to brace yourself for something a little

The fall in the pound is pushing up import prices, and that is feeding

One reputable forecast, from the National Institute

Now that 4% is best viewed as a one-off price hike.

So the good news is that inflation will recede after that.

and that will be a hit on living standards.

Is this the Brexit bite? Or will we find a way around it?

VOICEOVER: For hundreds of years, we have changed our notes and our coins

but always asked the same question, how far will our money takers? The

past couple of years the cost of living has barely risen at all, we

have even had a glee flurry of deflation, but now, prices are on

the up, 1% last month. -- a brief flurry. We are now told that was

just the start, inflation could hit 4% next year. Inflation works by

eroding the buying power of a set amount of money and here is a good

example, this is a heavy silver ornate coin, from 1887, this was

worth four shillings. Back then, we can establish that it would have

bought you about ?25 worth of goods, using today's values, but it was

actually worth it for shillings, and in today's money, that is the

equivalent to just 20p. The intervening 130 odd years, the

buying power of a coin like this has gone down by over 100 times.

Inflation has been low for years, today's report predicted rising

sharply in the coming months, it puts the blame for that in one

place, the plunging value of the pound, which will make imported

goods more expensive. Once you get to four or 5%, you will notice, the

price of milk, other prices, will be rising. It is something that is

going to hurt people. Next year will be worrying for other reasons as

well. There is the risk associated with the exit from the European

Union and we must understand the responses of firms and households,

which may be to rein back investment and increase levels of saving, all

of which will add to their down demand. I am worried for that reason

and naturally I worry for people who will feel of worse in the year then

they are today, that is not a good place to be. For the now, the Bank

of England has targeted inflation of 2%. Economists have long agreed that

gently rising prices are good for the economy, but still, you mention

inflation and lots of us tend to shudder. Why are so many people

nervous about inflation? They have heard about things like this, this

is a Weimar Republic 50 million mark note, remember, the hyperinflation

there, it was dwarfed by Yugoslavia, in the 1990s, this banknote is worth

500 billion! This is the highest in the nomination banknote ever

printed, from Zimbabwe, the $100 trillion note...! Nobody is

suggesting that hyperinflation is on the way to Europe or the UK, what it

is the memory of economic disasters such as this which still cloud

thinking. We already seeing a real-world impact on the fall in

sterling, tomorrow the RAC will announce research showing the price

of petrol rising at its fastest rate in three and a half years. Diesel

has gone up even more, all because oil is sold in dollars. For those on

tight incomes or getting by on limited savings, the prospect of

high inflation is an unwelcome spectre. This does look like bad

news for savers, there is a growing gap between the rate of interest

they can get on cash, because of monetary policy, and the standard of

living costs, inflation numbers, which will squeeze the spending

power of the savings they have got. It will further force savers to look

at the stock market as an alternative, the only place that can

generate meaningful long-term returns but that does come with

investment risk. There has been a run of inflation forecast recently,

and 4% is the highest peak I have heard predicted, few doubt inflation

is coming back. With it, questions that banks and households have not

had to worry about full-year. -- have not had to worry about for

years. STUDIO: Prison staff are warning

of a crisis in the jails and it seems their concerns

about violence and suicide The Justice Secretary Liz Truss met

union leaders today, and is publishing

a white paper tomorrow. Now, if there are two

approaches to penal policy, the reformist one and the "lock em

up and throw away the key" one, it seems that Liz Truss is more

on the reforming side. Our Political Editor

Nick Watt is with me. Big moment tomorrow, this takes

place against the backdrop of increased violence in prison the big

announcement from Liz Truss, she will announce she is setting aside

another money to recruit an extra two and a half thousand prison

officers, to deal with that end violence and increased use of drugs.

Whitehall sources are saying this is absolutely a break with the approach

of her predecessor but one, Chris Grayling, as part of the deficit

reduction plan, cutting the number of prison staff as the prison

population increase. What about the broader issue, of how you look upon

and reform prison system? If it is adios Chris Grayling, it is viva

Michael Gove, there had been an assumption that she was distancing

herself from him when she said she could not commit to his prison

reform plan, but she is going to embrace the key elements of that,

and there are two key principles, principal number one, greater

autonomy from prison governors, helping them to set health and

education budget so that they can give prison is purposeful activity

so they are better placed when they come out of prison and you hope to

reduce the reoffending rate. In return for the autonomy, much

greater transparency, the publication effectively of league

tables of prisons, to identify the successful ones and the failing

ones. Why, if Liz Truss is embracing this revolution from Michael Gove,

was she so cautious in September? When she turned up in the department

in July, she opened the prison reform locker, it was empty, because

Michael Gove had been thinking of other things...! The referendum.

Amid ongoing tensions between Vladimir Putin and the West,

Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko recently warned that his country

could face a "full scale invasion from Russia".

One woman who says she is determined at all costs to fight Russian

Earlier this year, Savchenko, a former Ukrainian military pilot,

was released from a Russian gaol in a prisoner exchange.

She had been sentenced to 22 years for killing two Russian journalists

in eastern Ukraine, charges she denied.

On her return home she was hailed as a hero and a symbol

She's now a member of the Ukrainian Parliament and has

been mentioned as a future presidential candidate.

Kirsty Wark has been to interview her and hear her

First, what was behind her recent trip to Moscow,

her first time on Russian soil since her release.

Did you fear for your safety? Are you afraid of anything?

You were the very first Ukrainian military pilot who was a woman. How

did you get to do that? The day that you were captured, it I

think you said, I think I read that if you had had a grenade in your

hand, you would have set it off. When you were captured, you went to

court, you were in front of Russian judges

you define them by giving them the middle finger!

You deny that you had anything to do with the deaths of the Russian

journalists? He went on hunger strike, several

times. Once, for 83 days. How did you keep going, you must have been

weak. How did you manage to deal with not

eating? President Petro Poroshenko awarded

you hero of Ukraine, the highest award for Ukraine. Now, your

approval ratings for Nadiya Savchenko our 44%, for the

president, 3%! What you think about that?

You very much wanted to be seen as an anti-corruption politician, what

do you make of the story in The Times of London today, saying

Ukrainian MPs are forced to declare their million pound fortunes, and

indeed, each MP on average has close to ?1 million in cash?

Do you believe that Crimea will ever be part of Ukraine again?

Tell me, how do you think the rest of the world should view Vladimir

Putin? Finally, do you ever miss being a

fighter pilot? STUDIO: That was recorded earlier

today in London. Regular television services

in Britain are 80 years old today. We were first with that news

because we did it last week. But in those 80 wonderful years,

a lot has been broadcast and a lot has been lost,

in the old days TV was not really considered a medium to record and it

certainly wasn't all uploaded and stored on a big

server in Oregon. However, bits of old archive do

surface from time to time, and to celebrate TV's 80th,

our technology editor David Grossman has been looking at some material

that has remained unseen, VOICEOVER: There are not

many people alive today for whom television is not

woven into their lives. But for most of its history,

it has been a fleeting Then...

Gone forever. Preserving television has always

been a fabulously The film cans here at the BBC's

archive in Perivale have to be capped at just the right

temperature and humidity. And then there's finding

the space for everything. The financial incentive

has always been there, for television companies to dump far

more than they hang onto. Like a play or a concert,

TV wasn't meant to survive. Keeping it meant pointing a film

camera at a TV screen, only worth the trouble

to sell something abroad. Here, an insect has inserted itself

into an early episode And this is a Wombles?

That's a Wombles, yes. That's not missing?

No, it's not missing. Kaleidoscope is a group of TV

historian is always looking Although most of the film in this

box was never lost, it was a job lot bought

from a private collector, I guess the kind of proudest one

is that, He didn't even know

it was an avengers episode from 1961 because he hadn't actually played it

at all, ever. Only two episodes were thought

to survive from the first Before this projector illuminated

this old film, this episode of The Avengers hadn't

been seen for 55 years. You were'nt by any chance

a Desert Rat, were you? Well, you may remember this

sort of thing. As soon as it reaches that mark,

it blows this place to smithereens A jab against the wall, same thing.

You're bluffing. Well, you've got about 30

seconds to find out. Hand me that cigarette.

Take it. So few episodes survive

from the first series. Anything you find from that

tells me a little bit more about the development

from that show. And you can see just

how far it plays. These episodes have come back,

written by top quality writers. Troy Kennedy Martin,

the creative talents behind I'll have no sugar.

I heard you were like that. I don't know how Madigan

puts up with you. I bear his children.

Some of them, no doubt. Well, one of them is my Tommy

and he's going out with He's more than going out with her,

he's courting her. As long as I'm alive,

no one of those cousins are going to Television is such an ephemeral

medium, It holds a great mirror up

to society as it was. It shows how people looked,

how they talked, what their attitudes were,

what their aspirations were. And so I think just as a social

document they are very important. Can this old footage

ever be more than a Can it do what it was intended

to do when it was made, To modern viewers,

the pace can seem leaden, and the comedy, well,

not necessarily very funny. Some of those things we have

released in the past I never would have thought would have

sold as many copies. I know there is an audience

for a lot of this stuff. There will always be some kind

of audience, but whether it is in

the low hundreds you can't always ascertain until you

actually release it. what someone is going to want in 30

years' time, that is why Kaleidoscope

has bought fought tooth Even though many people

have said, you're mad to keep it all, who is going to

want to watch it? Even the bits between the

programmes, you know, the kind of continuity announcers

and those old trails, Happy birthday to you,

happy birthday to you. Come on, it's got to be,

you're having a wash! There is a lot that can be done

to old footage to smooth its reception

with a new audience. A colour broadcast archived in black

and white, can sometimes have

its colour recovered. All the information needed

is miraculously contained in the And where no pictures

survive, a fan's DIY audio recording can be

brought to life with new animation. This is an episode of Doctor Who,

the sound from 1966, the pictures

recreated 50 years later. It's available from

the BBC's online content Like a black and white 60s drama,

the world of archive TV is full of bold characters,

and not a little intrigued. We have a couple of leads that

were given to us of a few episodes that are known

to be missing from the BBC archive. You can't say of what?

No, I can't. It's terribly sad when you know

there are things out there that you know they are stuck

in somebody's hands, whom, for whatever reason doesn't

want to part with them. It can be quite

heartbreaking, you know. And sometimes you have

to play a long game. Eighty years of television have

generated more hours than anyone could

possibly watch or keep. Nevertheless, like prime-time

gumshoes, the heroes of archive TV

battle on against the odds. Against time, greed,

and of course... STUDIO: We all have nights where

frankly we would feel like it was recorded! Britain's political class

has been at the parliamentarian awards, Theresa May has proven she

had a sense of humour, when she showed up to accept an award from

none other than George Osborne wearing a hive is best and a hard

hat! The former number ten spin supremo Craig Oliver may not

appreciate her sense of humour. -- high-vis vest. She said that when

she saw that he had the night it in the New Year 's Honours list, she

felt like retching in the street. We leave you with news

that the BBC Director General got a bit of a wigging

from the Welsh Assemby Cultural Affairs committee today for failing

to get the Corporation to represent So, to get help get Lord Hall

off the naughty step, and with thanks to Times journalist

Kaya Burgess for alerting us, we leave you with the Welsh story

of the day, the announcement of

the first female Bishop It gives me enormous pleasure to

announce that the bishop elect of Saints Davids is Canon Joanna, she

is in a parish centred in Wales.