Evan Davis has the latest on the US presidential election and hears the views of Susan Sarandon. There are also reports on UK inflation and prison reform.
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I love that sign, blacks for Tromp, I love that's fine, thank you. We're
doing great with the African-American community.
But it is right to say that Hillary Clinton has
The early signs are that black voters are not yet turning out
in the numbers that the Clinton campaign would want.
We'll ask why, and take the measure of what is happening
A black church in Mississippi is torched and vandalised with the
words vote Trump. Democrats believe it is an attempt to keep
African-Americans away from the polls.
And we're in Florida, a state without which no candidate
Also, we'll hear from Hollywood actress Susan Sarandon,
who is not voting for either of them.
I don't vote with my joiner, this is bigger than that. I don't want to
spend a lot of time talking about Trump and Hillary.
Also tonight - anyone out there old enough
We're right to be scared about inflation. It tells us somewhere or
other, the macroeconomic framework is wrong. It tells us about
dysfunction somewhere in the economy.
And this - on British television's 80th birthday,
the lengths we go to to track down, or even remake, the lost classics.
Someone once said that the only reason we have elections is to see
Not quite true in the case of this American election,
where a lot is at stake, but the polls are complex to read,
and the late Trump momentum makes it an interesting contest to watch.
Trumpeters might like to argue that there is increasing
We'll see that it may more likely be a lack
But let's go straight to Florida, where Mr Trump was campaigning
Mark, everybody has memories of Florida playing such a big part on
results counting night of American elections past. What is the picture
that tonight? Well, absolutely, as you say, in 2012 Eric Obama won this
state by just 74,000 votes. But because of the way the system works,
that gave him the thumping 29 seats all vote of the electoral college,
the Florida electoral college. More than 10% of the total you need
across this whole country to get the White House. It is the key battle
ground state. Since 2012, the number of registered Republicans has grown
by 400,000 vis-a-vis Democrats. So that's why Donald Trump today was
saying that he is confident they are going to win, but they don't want to
show too much confidence. Can you call it? Well, look, it's definitely
got... Hillary Clinton was in the lead. It has definitely got title.
It is now too close to call. One poll today had Hillary Clinton one
point in front, others say it is within the statistical margin of
error. One key thing here - 3.7 million Florida citizens have
already voted. The polling amongst them should give the hell Hillary
Clinton camp some confidence. Thank you, Mark. Sorry about the delay on
the line. Somehow, she is not getting support
from those that might support her. There are those on the left
who don't like Trump, but simply think voting for more
of the same old people like Hillary I suppose it is a philosophy that
says you don't use a vote to select Someone who encapsulates this
problem for Clinton is the Hollywood actress and activist Susan Sarandon,
and I spoke to her A Bernie Sanders supporter,
she has strong views At the moment, she is opposing
a proposed oil pipeline. As you will hear, it's
the Dakota Access pipeline. It's an oil pipeline
which is stretching across North Dakota and an area
of land belonging to She's also concerned about it having
a similar effect to fracking I started by asking her why
she was campaigning on the issue. These corporations, these big banks,
everybody who is funding this makes sure that people don't know what is
going on. People didn't understand fracking for the longest time. In
order to stop the fracking in the States that have stopped it, it
wasn't because it was progressive, it was because people finally
understood, and people were turning on their taps and finding out water
shooting out of it, they were not Democrats or Republicans, they were
people who couldn't even live in their houses. This is not a partisan
issue, except for the fact that nobody has information. One of the
things we have to do now, just like in South Africa, is to start
withdrawing our money from the big banks that are funding the
pipelines. People like me who know about the pipeline and have been
opposed to the pipeline, we have to put our money where mouth is. You
have to stop liking the wit and passing pleats around. If you can't
go there, at least withdraw your money -- liking tweets. I understand
why supporting the Green candidate, there are so many people that will
have the worldview that you have who will say, that is an indulgence at
this point, it is a battle between Clinton and Trump, ultimately you
have to make a choice between one of those two. OK, ultimately I don't
have to make the choice to vote against my own best interests,
because the reason we are in the situation we're in is because
everyone has been voting the lesser of two evils also wrong. It's
important to have a new party it is important to get these independent
candidates to 5%. Hillary Clinton is almost certainly going to win, she's
got all of the press, the networks, the newspapers behind her. It's
important to vote not only with my conscience but to get that 5% up. A
lot of people don't want to vote at all. I would urge them to vote the
down ticket, but for the future. Abraham Lincoln was the third party
candidate. The DNC, having seen what I saw during the primary, is so
corrupt it is not worthy of our votes. If you woke up on Wednesday
morning next week and it is president Trump, you won't feel an
ounce of contrition or regret? Everything that I care about, I'm
worried about the war is, I'm worried about Syria and all of these
things that actually exist. I'm worried about fracking and the
environment. No matter who gets in, they don't address these things,
because money has taken over our system. For me, it doesn't matter.
The fact that Bernie Sanders, you have been a big fan of him and
supported him, he says, you've got to vote for Hillary and make that
choice in this election. Does that carry no weight with you? Bernie
also said, no matter who I tell you to vote for, don't vote with me,
vote with your heart. The thing you should be focusing gone, that we
have to focus on, is taking the Senate and the House back. If you
notice all the talk about the Supreme Court, Judge Obama hasn't
been able to get his guy in there. We have to take it with
progressives, the House and the Senate. That is where things are
going to be decided. We have to get the money out of that part of the
super delegates who also lobbyists. Citizen united has done terrible
things to the government. You have to go and vote down, that is equally
as important, that's what we are going to be left with. Depending on
what happens the House and the Senate, nobody can get anything
done. A lot of young women think it is the most natural thing in the
world that you might have a woman president. A lot of women of your
generation might take the view that that is a big thing for the United
States to elect a woman president. Does that not sway you to say,
Hillary Clinton, first woman president, that would be a big
moment for the US, in a good way? You know, I want the right woman.
There are women that have, you know, great women that have, that I
admire, that have headed nations, and you've had a woman, and I don't
know how you felt about that. I don't vote with my gender, this is
bigger than that. I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about
Trump and Hillary, that's not why I'm here. This is bigger than who
wins the election. This water... I mean, what is everything, it's not
going to matter what happens in this election if we don't have water. And
we are in a very, very dangerous place all over. You have fracking
issues in England. We have to start looking at the greed that is
corrupting our water source for future generations. And on top of
that, the racism that goes into what's going on in this pipeline.
Susan Sarandon, it's been interesting hearing that
perspective, thank you so much. You're welcome.
Now, Hillary Clinton's problem Part Two.
She needs black and Hispanic voters on her side.
Not just to support her in opinion polls, but to actually go out
African Americans certainly did vote when Obama was on the ticket,
and for the Democrats, it would be huge if they could
bottle that support and carry it into this and future elections.
But the indications from early voting though are that the Obama
Perhaps lack of enthusiasm affects that community.
It is no wonder, that it's all hands on deck to mobilise that support.
Here is somebody who has dedicated her life to making
While Donald Trump and his dad were being sued, by the Department
of Justice for denying housing the African-American families...
No, I'm not making this up, I'm just stating facts.
At that same time, Hillary was going undercover from school
to school to make sure that disadvantaged kids were getting
That tells you something about their respective values.
And Hillary hasn't stopped fighting for justice.
Hasn't stopped fighting for equality ever since.
Her heart has always been in the right place.
Race is definitely an issue. What are you hearing that? Well, today we
awoke to news that a black church in Mississippi had been thwarted and
found lies with the words, vote Trump. Police are calling it a hate
crime that amounts to vote in the mid-. It is an extreme case, but one
that the Democrats fear is happening in several other states, suppression
of the black vote. North Carolina, a critical swing state, has seen early
voting Beckett hailed in many black neighbourhoods through a new
Republican-backed law, indeed, a federal appeals court has accused
those behind it of an almost surgical assault on back turnout.
Other residents have found themselves removed from the
electoral register without being advised how or even why. Democrats
believe it is a thematic attempt to keep African-Americans from the
polls, knowing or believing that they would go frequent and over
Trump. Hillary's problem is not just the suppression of those black
votes, is it? I guess it's not. It's also of course the personalities
involved. Obama won 92% of the African-American vote and be under
45 is. They fear that Clinton just won't have that same appeal. Here is
what you have to wonder is Donbas might early voting is where
Democrats get their numbers up. Republicans tend to leave it
conservatively until the day itself. Nobody has counted any actual
ballots yet. But the data suggests that African-Americans are failing
to vote at those levels they did four years ago. We've heard Obama
earlier, we've heard him on the stump for Clinton, he is usually
relaxed, dropped joking around. But last night there was a new urgency
in his voice. It was petitioning people to go out and vote. Clearly
there may not be the same incentive for them to vote Clinton as they did
Obama. But think about this, if the black vote stays at home it is also
in some sense a referendum on what he himself is achieved or fail to
achieve in his time in power. Thank you, Emily.
We're joined now from Florida by Leslie Wimes,
founder and President of the Democratic
Thank you for joining us. Just describe what you think is
happening? In Florida, do you think there is a large degree of
African-American abstention in this election? Thank you for having me. I
think what has happened is Hillary Clinton's campaign decided that they
were going to just use surrogates to get the African-American vote out.
And that was a mistake. We love President Obama, we support
President Obama, but that love and support has not transferred to
Hillary Clinton. What she needed to do was engage the African-American
community on her own. Her campaign needed to get into the communities,
engage the people and, you know, encourage the African-American
community to vote for her on her own merit. And that didn't happen.
Because that didn't happen, she's not seeing the numbers in the early
voting. You know, we're going to go out, we're going to listen to Barack
Obama, we are going to enjoy his rallies. But, you know, she did not
present her case to the community. And you're seeing it in the numbers.
She is not getting people to the polls. Would you say that the
African-American community or indifferent between a Clinton
victory and they Trump victory? Are they quite prepared to say, Trump
wins, that's OK with us? I don't think that it is... I wouldn't look
at it that way. I think what it is is the community is saying, you
know, what's the difference? I think they are saying that, you know, no
matter who gets in, is it going to make a difference to our issues? She
needed to get into the community and speak to the issues. She couldn't
just rely on President Obama, and that's what she did. Right now, with
President Obama being the president, we're still seeing our young men
being shot dead in the streets, we're still seeing our unemployment
rates sky-high, and systemic racism. She needed to get in and really,
really say, hey, I'm for you, I'm rooting for you. She didn't do that.
If she is not going to get into the communities and make her case,
what's the difference between her and Trump? It's interesting you
should put it that way. Many would say, I mean, you could characterised
the Trump candidacy as something of an angry white backlash against
political correctness and things that have been done over the last 30
years in the United States. I'm interested that that is not how
people are reading it. They are saying, they are all as bad as each
other. I'm sorry, what was that? It's just interesting that people
would be saying, all of the candidates or as bad as each other,
you know, given what looks like quite a big difference between the
candidates, from here. What you have do understand is that the black
community feels like their boat has been taken for granted for a very
long time by the Democratic party. So what the Clinton campaign needed
to do was to get into the community and say, we're not taking due for
granted. There is not a push to quote the vote, to say, hey, I'm not
taking you for granted. It's the same old, same old. If she is not
getting into the community and engaging the community it's like,
hey, you're taking before granted so why should I get out and support
you? You have to look at it like, 2008 and 2012 was historic. You have
the first African-American president. There was a connection
there. She doesn't have that same black Obama connection, she needs to
really get into the community and really push her candidacy, and she
didn't do that. How many black Americans do you know that are going
to vote for Donald Trump, who say, actually, I like what Donald Trump
says about Mexicans and building walls and all that other stuff? To
be perfectly honest with you, I know one!
LAUGHTER One person has said, I'm going to
vote for Donald Trump. I don't know anyone who is going to rush out and
vote for Donald Trump, it's just that they are not enthusiastic about
Hillary Clinton, that's the big. Is that thing you must reflect on, when
Barack Obama became president, we thought we might be in an era of
post-racial politics in the US and everything would stabilise. It feels
from here as boat race is as big or bigger issue than it has been for a
long time. -- that race is as big an issue. It is a remarkably divided
society at the moment. You know, it is sad, it is sad that it had to be
that way, but it is. That's another reason why she needed to get into
the community and say, hey, I'm really pushing for change. It was a
great opportunity for her to do that. It is a missed opportunity.
We've got rather used to low inflation,
So you might like to brace yourself for something a little
The fall in the pound is pushing up import prices, and that is feeding
One reputable forecast, from the National Institute
Now that 4% is best viewed as a one-off price hike.
So the good news is that inflation will recede after that.
and that will be a hit on living standards.
Is this the Brexit bite? Or will we find a way around it?
VOICEOVER: For hundreds of years, we have changed our notes and our coins
but always asked the same question, how far will our money takers? The
past couple of years the cost of living has barely risen at all, we
have even had a glee flurry of deflation, but now, prices are on
the up, 1% last month. -- a brief flurry. We are now told that was
just the start, inflation could hit 4% next year. Inflation works by
eroding the buying power of a set amount of money and here is a good
example, this is a heavy silver ornate coin, from 1887, this was
worth four shillings. Back then, we can establish that it would have
bought you about ?25 worth of goods, using today's values, but it was
actually worth it for shillings, and in today's money, that is the
equivalent to just 20p. The intervening 130 odd years, the
buying power of a coin like this has gone down by over 100 times.
Inflation has been low for years, today's report predicted rising
sharply in the coming months, it puts the blame for that in one
place, the plunging value of the pound, which will make imported
goods more expensive. Once you get to four or 5%, you will notice, the
price of milk, other prices, will be rising. It is something that is
going to hurt people. Next year will be worrying for other reasons as
well. There is the risk associated with the exit from the European
Union and we must understand the responses of firms and households,
which may be to rein back investment and increase levels of saving, all
of which will add to their down demand. I am worried for that reason
and naturally I worry for people who will feel of worse in the year then
they are today, that is not a good place to be. For the now, the Bank
of England has targeted inflation of 2%. Economists have long agreed that
gently rising prices are good for the economy, but still, you mention
inflation and lots of us tend to shudder. Why are so many people
nervous about inflation? They have heard about things like this, this
is a Weimar Republic 50 million mark note, remember, the hyperinflation
there, it was dwarfed by Yugoslavia, in the 1990s, this banknote is worth
500 billion! This is the highest in the nomination banknote ever
printed, from Zimbabwe, the $100 trillion note...! Nobody is
suggesting that hyperinflation is on the way to Europe or the UK, what it
is the memory of economic disasters such as this which still cloud
thinking. We already seeing a real-world impact on the fall in
sterling, tomorrow the RAC will announce research showing the price
of petrol rising at its fastest rate in three and a half years. Diesel
has gone up even more, all because oil is sold in dollars. For those on
tight incomes or getting by on limited savings, the prospect of
high inflation is an unwelcome spectre. This does look like bad
news for savers, there is a growing gap between the rate of interest
they can get on cash, because of monetary policy, and the standard of
living costs, inflation numbers, which will squeeze the spending
power of the savings they have got. It will further force savers to look
at the stock market as an alternative, the only place that can
generate meaningful long-term returns but that does come with
investment risk. There has been a run of inflation forecast recently,
and 4% is the highest peak I have heard predicted, few doubt inflation
is coming back. With it, questions that banks and households have not
had to worry about full-year. -- have not had to worry about for
years. STUDIO: Prison staff are warning
of a crisis in the jails and it seems their concerns
about violence and suicide The Justice Secretary Liz Truss met
union leaders today, and is publishing
a white paper tomorrow. Now, if there are two
approaches to penal policy, the reformist one and the "lock em
up and throw away the key" one, it seems that Liz Truss is more
on the reforming side. Our Political Editor
Nick Watt is with me. Big moment tomorrow, this takes
place against the backdrop of increased violence in prison the big
announcement from Liz Truss, she will announce she is setting aside
another money to recruit an extra two and a half thousand prison
officers, to deal with that end violence and increased use of drugs.
Whitehall sources are saying this is absolutely a break with the approach
of her predecessor but one, Chris Grayling, as part of the deficit
reduction plan, cutting the number of prison staff as the prison
population increase. What about the broader issue, of how you look upon
and reform prison system? If it is adios Chris Grayling, it is viva
Michael Gove, there had been an assumption that she was distancing
herself from him when she said she could not commit to his prison
reform plan, but she is going to embrace the key elements of that,
and there are two key principles, principal number one, greater
autonomy from prison governors, helping them to set health and
education budget so that they can give prison is purposeful activity
so they are better placed when they come out of prison and you hope to
reduce the reoffending rate. In return for the autonomy, much
greater transparency, the publication effectively of league
tables of prisons, to identify the successful ones and the failing
ones. Why, if Liz Truss is embracing this revolution from Michael Gove,
was she so cautious in September? When she turned up in the department
in July, she opened the prison reform locker, it was empty, because
Michael Gove had been thinking of other things...! The referendum.
Amid ongoing tensions between Vladimir Putin and the West,
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko recently warned that his country
could face a "full scale invasion from Russia".
One woman who says she is determined at all costs to fight Russian
Earlier this year, Savchenko, a former Ukrainian military pilot,
was released from a Russian gaol in a prisoner exchange.
She had been sentenced to 22 years for killing two Russian journalists
in eastern Ukraine, charges she denied.
On her return home she was hailed as a hero and a symbol
She's now a member of the Ukrainian Parliament and has
been mentioned as a future presidential candidate.
Kirsty Wark has been to interview her and hear her
First, what was behind her recent trip to Moscow,
her first time on Russian soil since her release.
Did you fear for your safety? Are you afraid of anything?
You were the very first Ukrainian military pilot who was a woman. How
did you get to do that? The day that you were captured, it I
think you said, I think I read that if you had had a grenade in your
hand, you would have set it off. When you were captured, you went to
court, you were in front of Russian judges
you define them by giving them the middle finger!
You deny that you had anything to do with the deaths of the Russian
journalists? He went on hunger strike, several
times. Once, for 83 days. How did you keep going, you must have been
weak. How did you manage to deal with not
eating? President Petro Poroshenko awarded
you hero of Ukraine, the highest award for Ukraine. Now, your
approval ratings for Nadiya Savchenko our 44%, for the
president, 3%! What you think about that?
You very much wanted to be seen as an anti-corruption politician, what
do you make of the story in The Times of London today, saying
Ukrainian MPs are forced to declare their million pound fortunes, and
indeed, each MP on average has close to ?1 million in cash?
Do you believe that Crimea will ever be part of Ukraine again?
Tell me, how do you think the rest of the world should view Vladimir
Putin? Finally, do you ever miss being a
fighter pilot? STUDIO: That was recorded earlier
today in London. Regular television services
in Britain are 80 years old today. We were first with that news
because we did it last week. But in those 80 wonderful years,
a lot has been broadcast and a lot has been lost,
in the old days TV was not really considered a medium to record and it
certainly wasn't all uploaded and stored on a big
server in Oregon. However, bits of old archive do
surface from time to time, and to celebrate TV's 80th,
our technology editor David Grossman has been looking at some material
that has remained unseen, VOICEOVER: There are not
many people alive today for whom television is not
woven into their lives. But for most of its history,
it has been a fleeting Then...
Gone forever. Preserving television has always
been a fabulously The film cans here at the BBC's
archive in Perivale have to be capped at just the right
temperature and humidity. And then there's finding
the space for everything. The financial incentive
has always been there, for television companies to dump far
more than they hang onto. Like a play or a concert,
TV wasn't meant to survive. Keeping it meant pointing a film
camera at a TV screen, only worth the trouble
to sell something abroad. Here, an insect has inserted itself
into an early episode And this is a Wombles?
That's a Wombles, yes. That's not missing?
No, it's not missing. Kaleidoscope is a group of TV
historian is always looking Although most of the film in this
box was never lost, it was a job lot bought
from a private collector, I guess the kind of proudest one
is that, He didn't even know
it was an avengers episode from 1961 because he hadn't actually played it
at all, ever. Only two episodes were thought
to survive from the first Before this projector illuminated
this old film, this episode of The Avengers hadn't
been seen for 55 years. You were'nt by any chance
a Desert Rat, were you? Well, you may remember this
sort of thing. As soon as it reaches that mark,
it blows this place to smithereens A jab against the wall, same thing.
You're bluffing. Well, you've got about 30
seconds to find out. Hand me that cigarette.
Take it. So few episodes survive
from the first series. Anything you find from that
tells me a little bit more about the development
from that show. And you can see just
how far it plays. These episodes have come back,
written by top quality writers. Troy Kennedy Martin,
the creative talents behind I'll have no sugar.
I heard you were like that. I don't know how Madigan
puts up with you. I bear his children.
Some of them, no doubt. Well, one of them is my Tommy
and he's going out with He's more than going out with her,
he's courting her. As long as I'm alive,
no one of those cousins are going to Television is such an ephemeral
medium, It holds a great mirror up
to society as it was. It shows how people looked,
how they talked, what their attitudes were,
what their aspirations were. And so I think just as a social
document they are very important. Can this old footage
ever be more than a Can it do what it was intended
to do when it was made, To modern viewers,
the pace can seem leaden, and the comedy, well,
not necessarily very funny. Some of those things we have
released in the past I never would have thought would have
sold as many copies. I know there is an audience
for a lot of this stuff. There will always be some kind
of audience, but whether it is in
the low hundreds you can't always ascertain until you
actually release it. what someone is going to want in 30
years' time, that is why Kaleidoscope
has bought fought tooth Even though many people
have said, you're mad to keep it all, who is going to
want to watch it? Even the bits between the
programmes, you know, the kind of continuity announcers
and those old trails, Happy birthday to you,
happy birthday to you. Come on, it's got to be,
you're having a wash! There is a lot that can be done
to old footage to smooth its reception
with a new audience. A colour broadcast archived in black
and white, can sometimes have
its colour recovered. All the information needed
is miraculously contained in the And where no pictures
survive, a fan's DIY audio recording can be
brought to life with new animation. This is an episode of Doctor Who,
the sound from 1966, the pictures
recreated 50 years later. It's available from
the BBC's online content Like a black and white 60s drama,
the world of archive TV is full of bold characters,
and not a little intrigued. We have a couple of leads that
were given to us of a few episodes that are known
to be missing from the BBC archive. You can't say of what?
No, I can't. It's terribly sad when you know
there are things out there that you know they are stuck
in somebody's hands, whom, for whatever reason doesn't
want to part with them. It can be quite
heartbreaking, you know. And sometimes you have
to play a long game. Eighty years of television have
generated more hours than anyone could
possibly watch or keep. Nevertheless, like prime-time
gumshoes, the heroes of archive TV
battle on against the odds. Against time, greed,
and of course... STUDIO: We all have nights where
frankly we would feel like it was recorded! Britain's political class
has been at the parliamentarian awards, Theresa May has proven she
had a sense of humour, when she showed up to accept an award from
none other than George Osborne wearing a hive is best and a hard
hat! The former number ten spin supremo Craig Oliver may not
appreciate her sense of humour. -- high-vis vest. She said that when
she saw that he had the night it in the New Year 's Honours list, she
felt like retching in the street. We leave you with news
that the BBC Director General got a bit of a wigging
from the Welsh Assemby Cultural Affairs committee today for failing
to get the Corporation to represent So, to get help get Lord Hall
off the naughty step, and with thanks to Times journalist
Kaya Burgess for alerting us, we leave you with the Welsh story
of the day, the announcement of
the first female Bishop It gives me enormous pleasure to
announce that the bishop elect of Saints Davids is Canon Joanna, she
is in a parish centred in Wales.
Evan Davis has the latest on the US presidential election and hears the views of Susan Sarandon.
There are also reports on UK inflation and prison reform and the Ukrainian fighter pilot who has returned home after being detained in Russia since 2014.
Plus the 80th anniversary of Britain's very first TV broadcast.