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I would like there to be some kind of high earnings cap, quite | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
honestly. You could set a limit on top pay. I think it is probably | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
better to look at the ratio issue. Jeremy Corbyn started the day with a | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
surprising new policy, and this afternoon, it was dead in the water. | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
This was not even the topic of his big relaunch of which was meant to | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
be about freedom of movement. We will ask one of his closest | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
lieutenants what he actually means. Also tonight: | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
Jared is a very successful real estate person, but I actually think | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
he likes politics more than he likes real estate. | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
So it seems. Meet 36-year-old Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law | :00:44. | :00:53. | |
and confident, soon to be top White House adviser. Who is he bring to | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
bear. And remember this? Governor Tarkin, I should have | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
expected to find you Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher are | :01:00. | :01:09. | |
no longer with us, but that is no obstacle to being a major character | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
in a new Star Wars movie. Will Carrie Fisher now also get digitally | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
resurrected, and would she really want that? | :01:17. | :01:24. | |
It was billed as Jeremy Corbyn's big day - rebooting Labour's approach | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
to Brexit, and specifically it's position on the free | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
Instead he announced a radical new policy for a maximum pay | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
He said that salaries paid to some company | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
bosses and top footballers were "utterly ridiculous." | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
But by the afternoon, after a former advisor to the Labour | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
leader had called it a "lunatic idea," it morphed into | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
But there was still confusion over any policy on free | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
Peterborough was an ideal venue for Mr Corbyn's speech - | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
it's a marginal held by the Conservatives that | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
This is how some people in the town view the Labour leader. | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
He started off backing the Remain campaign and then he switched | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
And now he's sort of trying to backtrack himself and back | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
And as a long supporter of Labour, a few years ago I started to switch | :02:18. | :02:28. | |
because of the way the Brexit campaign was going. | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
Honestly, I don't think he deserves the stick that he gets | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
I think he's quite well rounded and I think he has, | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
like, a lot of respect for mental health issues. | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
Which I think a lot of people don't really get. | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
Well, we're not of his persuasion, but I don't think he's got | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
the character to lead the country, or his party. | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
I think he's talking a lot of sense, to be honest. | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
I just think it's not necessarily that popular at the moment. | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
The Labour leadership is invoking a new strategy to engage with voters | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
and as part of that they hope to emulate some of | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
Here's our political editor Nick Watt. | :03:14. | :03:24. | |
The world is turning its attention to America, and who would have | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
believed that? Jeremy Corbyn, who has spent a lifetime campaigning | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
against US dominance, believes there are lessons for him in Donald | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
Trump's victory. Today we saw Jeremy Corbyn's first outing of the New | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
Year. There was a change of tack on Europe as he said he is no longer | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
wedded to the crew movement of people, then intriguingly, Labour | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
indicated that he may follow some of Donald Trump's tactics in reaching | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
out directly to voters as an insurgent. Jeremy Corbyn is not | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
exactly America's number one fan. It seems highly unlikely we will see | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
him here any time soon, and he profoundly disagrees with Donald | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
Trump's outpourings on Twitter, but he does believe that the incoming | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
president has captured ways of communicating on social media that | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
are highly effective for an insurgent. Newsnight understands | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
that having seen off that second leadership challenge, Jeremy Corbyn | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
now believes the time has come to rekindle that spirit as an | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
antiestablishment candidate on social media. To my mind, Mr Trump | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
is a racist, and a misogynist, and a pretty bad thing in the world, but I | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
am smart enough to know that he has spoken to a lot of people very | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
directly, and he has spoken to their concerns. He's offered the wrong | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
recipe, and he's played on those concerns. I want to listen to those | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
concerns, as does Jeremy Corbyn, but sell a different message. He is | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
certainly the man for us, because he appears on the sofa... | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
The leadership has decided that Jeremy Corbyn should devote less | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
time to the written press and more time to live interviews on | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
television and radio. They admit it can't go wrong but say that live | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
broadcasting allows leaders to speak more directly to voters. And then | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
there are the Donald Trump lessons from twitter. Expect a modern | :05:24. | :05:32. | |
version of Labour's rebuttal unit. One politician who blazed a trail | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
for leaders speaking directly to voters has mixed feelings. I don't | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
think I've got any lessons to teach anyone. My strategy didn't exactly | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
culminate in success in elections. I have some sympathy, of course I do, | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
given the powerful vested interests we've got in the written press in | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
this country, there's a need, unhinged stuff that you get from | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
Paul Dacre run the Daily Mail and elsewhere, the bully boy tactics of | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
those papers, and I understand that Jeremy Corbyn and his team want to | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
communicate with people that clearly they are not going to the pages of | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
the... Mail and other parts of the Brexit press. Jeremy Corbyn may be | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
looking to the US for inspiration on how to reach out to voters, but in | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
common with all UK political leaders, his fortunes will be bound | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
up with how the UK negotiates it way out of the EU. Today, in the | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
strongly pro-leave city of Peterborough, he said he was no | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
longer wedded to the principle of free movement. Allies said this | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
marked a shift in language and a recognition that Brexit does provide | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
an opportunity for wider reform of the labour market by cracking down | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
on agencies that have used migrant labour to drive down wages. The more | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
I get the impression that the differences now between Theresa May | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
and the principal party of opposition, the Labour Party, is | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
basically one of nuance and detail rather than substance. They both say | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
that there have to be unspecified reforms to freedom of movement, and | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
that worries me because unless the Labour Party is prepared to hold the | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
Government's feet to the fire, this Government, I worry, is going to bok | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
choi Brexit very badly. A former member of the Shadow Cabinet | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
believes that Jeremy Corbyn is on the right track but does not go far | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
enough. I welcome a commitment to managed migration but I think we | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
need more detail on how that will work in practice. I think that one | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
of the main messages from the EU referendum back in June was that the | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
status quo on immigration and free movement cannot continue, and people | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
want the Government to have more control of the numbers of people | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
coming in. In common with the finest of start-ups, today's strategy had a | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
bit of a bumpy start. Jeremy Corbyn appeared to suggest early on that he | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
favoured a cap on maximum pay rates. By this afternoon, the position was | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
a little more nuanced as he suggested the Government could use | :08:15. | :08:16. | |
its leverage in public sector contracts to force private companies | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
to accept pay ratios, and the tax system could be used to change | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
behaviour more widely. Jeremy Corbyn is unlikely to be picking fights | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
with Hollywood stars. The moment, his mind will be on a windswept | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
corner of Cumbria where Labour faces a tough by-election fight. Today's | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
message on Brexit was no doubt aimed at Copeland and other labour streets | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
which recorded a strong Leave vote. Caroline Flint was a shadow | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
minister under Ed Miliband. You and other senior colleagues | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
wanted a specific policy on freedom of movement. What did you want to | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
hear today? I take a lot of positives from what Jeremy said | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
today. After the referendum, he said the Labour Party needed to review | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
immigration policy, and I think he did make clear today that as part of | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
the discussions around the deal around Brexit, then looking at what | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
a fair and reasonable set of rules around freedom of movement would | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
mean to the discussion. But you were looking for something more specific, | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
and he only said he was not wedded to the idea. Let me see what I was | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
looking for. I believe that freedom of movement is something we should | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
have addressed a long time ago, and Labour has sidestepped people's | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
concerns on immigration, particularly in communities outside | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
the big cities, outside of London. Jeremy has said, and it is backed up | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
by Kia Starmer and the deputy leader, that is part of the | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
negotiations around Brexit, of course we want full access to the | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
single market as much as possible, but freedom of movement has to be | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
part of that. Add to that, I think something like 50% of those who | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
voted Remain also wanted reform of free movement as well. But you and | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
others of your ilk want to see a two tier position. You want to see one | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
strategy for senior skilled foe, and another strategy for others. You are | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
rather long way from getting that. We have the start of a discussion | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
today. Certainly, I think we need to look and probed more into the detail | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
about how EU migration has affected Britain. When I did a survey online | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
in my own constituency, where they voted overwhelmingly to leave, when | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
I asked what they thought of students or highly skilled workers, | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
they were less worried about that then the impact on low skill, | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
low-paid sectors and areas such as Doncaster. New Labour was much less | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
concerned about ordinary voters' concerns than growing the economy. | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
They ignored it and turned a deaf ear to that, and that was a mistake, | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
not just economically but culturally. It is not just about | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
economic spot the social atmosphere. In my own constituency in the Don | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
Valley, in 1997, it was over 90% white. The non-British vote has | :11:20. | :11:28. | |
increased since then. It is a big change in communities. I wonder if | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
people feel that the message from new Labour was that even two boys | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
that was racist. I think part of the problem was that there were | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
mistakes, and it has been acknowledged that we did not have | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
transition controls in the way we have over Romania and Bulgaria. | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
Across all parties, politicians tend to look at the net figures | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
nationally without bearing down on what is happening in different | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
communities, and I do think that is where not just around immigration | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
but around globalisation, the loss of jobs, on the big scale, | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
particularly when the economy was doing well before the recession, it | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
could mask these problems. The thing you are acknowledging is that even a | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
small population change can mean a big social shift. And the rate of it | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
as well. Actually, it is a problem for people even to discuss it. You | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
would not have the Labour leadership saying it was a problem, would you? | :12:24. | :12:32. | |
Jeremy did address some of the problems, in his own words, which | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
might be different from my words. That's OK. He did address the fact | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
that some employers have used loopholes through freedom of | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
movement to basically... That's economic, not culturally. -- not | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
cultural. It overlaps. When you add in zero-hours contracts and young | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
people can't put together the money for a deposit on a flat to rent, and | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
when people are feeling that wholesale recruitment through an | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
agency to a town in Poland has come into their local factory, it's not | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
only hitting them in the pocket but in their hearts as well. Thank you | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
very much indeed. We're joined by the Shadow Attorney | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
General Baroness Chakrabarti. First of all, can you explain | :13:13. | :13:22. | |
Labour's policy on freedom of movement as discussed today? Can you | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
explain what it actually is. I will do my best. The priority is the | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
economy, and we think that at this moment in their negotiations that | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
will come, the priority is trying to get access to the single market. We | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
don't have an ideological position that's for or against immigration, | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
the priority is the economy, but as Caroline said, the economy has to | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
wipe everyone, those at the top and at the bottom. When you are talking | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
about the impact on the economy, you have to take care of business, yes, | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
that wants to have free movement, but you also need to think about | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
people whose wages are being undercut, about housing, public | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
services and so on. If it was necessary for the economy to have | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
more immigration rather than less, you would favour that? Yes, but only | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
do if you do the corresponding thing, to make sure that migrant | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
labour cannot be exploited and that people's wages are not undercut and | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
that you do all the things to ameliorate the impact on people | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
lower down the economic scale so that free movement isn't something | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
that is just benefiting people at the top but not benefiting people at | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
the bottom who feel that migrant labour is being exploited, that they | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
don't have homes and access to schools and hospitals and so on. The | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
economy has to work for everyone, which is why the stuff about wages | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
fits completely in with this policy. It can't just be about Brexit but | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
about what kind of country we want to have afterwards. But we are not | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
necessarily just talking about low wages paid to workers coming in, for | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
example, seasonal workers. We are talking not just about that but | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
about the impact of low skilled workers coming into the UK, where | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
there is a glut of low skilled workers, and what you are not saying | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
is that, actually, there will be a two tier system, which Caroline | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
Flint wants, which takes high skilled workers and then if | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
necessary low skilled workers. Jeremy Corbyn is simply saying he | :15:27. | :15:28. | |
wants to get rid of the undercutting of wages. That is not a | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
comprehensive policy on free movement. | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
We cannot have a comprehensive policy on free movement because we | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
are not currently sitting at the negotiating table. I think there has | :15:44. | :15:51. | |
to be negotiation and the government has no plans whatsoever. What is | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
clear is that the Labour Party will put the economy first but the | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
economy must work not just for those at the top but every level. You are | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
facing a by-election in Cumbria and in that by-election it will be a | :16:06. | :16:13. | |
hard fight. Voters voted to leave. Do you think that what Jeremy Corbyn | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
said today would reassure people who are natural Labour voters. People in | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
that constituency are worried about the state of the hospital, they are | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
worried about the future for their children and families. They're not | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
anti immigration in some abstract way, they are not racist or | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
xenophobic. They want to be part of an economy that works for everyone. | :16:37. | :16:44. | |
They might want fewer immigrants in their community for the same reasons | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
that Caroline Flint was talking about, you either want to raise the | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
question of racism. I'm saying most people I have ever met in the UK | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
regardless of their position on Brexit, are not anti-immigration in | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
abstract way, what they want is an economy and society that works for | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
everyone. What that means is that immigration has got to serve the | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
economy but the economy has to be something we can all share in. So | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
you do not allow the exploitation of migrant workers, you provide housing | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
for everyone, health care for everyone. I'm keen to stick to this | :17:20. | :17:27. | |
point, what Caroline was saying was that there may be an influx of | :17:28. | :17:35. | |
migration in a big city but in other areas even a small shift can make a | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
massive cultural difference. Do you accept that for some people that | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
cultural change, that change in their whole world is something that | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
is important to them and they're worried about being marked out as | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
racist if they even raise it. I do not think it is racist to be | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
concerned about the impact of immigration. I think that a lot of | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
people fear the other when the other is not even in their neighbourhood | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
but when there is an impact, it is the duty of government to provide | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
the public services, the housing, and to avoid the undercutting of | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
wages and that is the way to create an economy that works for everyone. | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
Let's move on to Jeremy Corbyn and his pronouncement this morning that | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
there was to be a wage cap. He talks about footballers earning millions | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
and bankers and so forth. Did you know he was going to say that? | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
Jeremy has been talking about inequality and general and wage | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
inequality in particular probably all of his life. Did you know that | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
he was going to announce this morning that he was in favour of a | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
cap. I think he was completely authentic. But not this afternoon | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
because he had to change that policy by then. That is not my reading of | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
it and you have asked me for my reading of it is not the BBC reading | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
of it. I am saying only that it was a major day for labour today, they | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
work to be setting up their stall on free movement of people mainly but | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
this was him rebooting for the New Year and it begins with a policy | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
that I understand no one in the Shadow Cabinet knew was going to | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
happen. That he was in favour of a cap on high pay and that was then | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
reversed this afternoon to be a nuance on a question of ratio. That | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
is not my reading of it. When you want to deal with wage inequality, | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
you have to deal with in it in different sectors and using | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
different tools. Footballers? In the public sector you could say we're | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
going to cap public sector pay at the top. We have a ratio system. In | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
the private sector you could look at things like tax incentives and the | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
ratio between people at the top and bottom of a company. The big | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
picture... Danny Blanchflower said it was a lunatic idea. But by the | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
afternoon Jeremy Corbyn has announced something completely | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
different, perhaps tweaking the tax system and an extension of the | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
ratios. There are different ways to approach wage inequality in | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
different sectors but what is clear and authentic is that Jeremy is for | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
a more equal Britain and many people are with him on that. During the day | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
today when Jeremy Corbyn was talking in Peterborough about free movement | :20:39. | :20:45. | |
and wage caps, his campaign director was messaging about the prices in | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
the health service. It is extraordinary that he was sending | :20:49. | :20:58. | |
messages about that on twitter, rather than addressing that huge | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
crisis today, he was saying one thing and his campaign director was | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
saying another. It was the perfect opportunity to take on the NHS | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
question head-on. That is about spin. It is about substance. I do | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
not think so, we have been doing a great job on the health service. The | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
Shadow Health Secretary... This was a major speech. You are saying that | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
Jeremy cannot talk about health care and inequality and Brexit. | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
Unfortunately this country is in such a pickle at the moment that it | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
is is responsibility to speak about all of these things. Do you think it | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
went well today for the ideal positive that Jeremy has spoken | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
authentically and spoken from his heart, directly to people and the | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
biggest criticism that you can put to me is that it seemed a bit too | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
unspun. We have an NHS crisis, criticism of the government Brexit | :22:00. | :22:11. | |
strategy, Labour 27% rating. You're not very well because perhaps days | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
like this happen and you appear to be going off cack handedly. You talk | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
about spin by Jeremy spoke from the heart about values and vision and I | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
think given the chance, he will speak directly to his audience and | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
that will go well. And that would be twitter. That would be twitter. It | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
is going to be more than twitter but we do have to speak more directly to | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
people, no question about that. The question of wage inequality, there | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
has been some developments and Chris Cook is here. Something came out | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
from the ONS today, slightly poorly timed because it suggests that there | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
has been quite good news on wage inequality. We have this graph | :22:58. | :23:06. | |
showing the coefficient, the propensity of inequality for the | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
population. What were drawn at the moment, these three major elections. | :23:12. | :23:22. | |
What we can see is this gigantic surge in inequality under the | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
Thatcher government, a slow retreat under Labour and then continued | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
retreat recently. Basically since 2007 there has been ?1600 increase | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
in the wages at the bottom fifth and ?1000 so for wages of the top. So | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
actually inequality has been shifting since the financial crisis. | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
And Jeremy Corbyn has been speaking about this a lot so presumably you | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
would give credit to the Conservative government, since 2010, | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
for bringing this inequality down. The figures you describe, forgive me | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
they are a drop in the ocean. For people who cannot afford the rail | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
hike, who cannot leave home in their 20s and buy a home, in real terms | :24:12. | :24:22. | |
inequality is a gaping chasm in the country and ?1000 at the top just is | :24:23. | :24:23. | |
not going to cut it. Thank you both. Donald Trump's son-in-law and close | :24:24. | :24:25. | |
confidante Jared Kushner Yesterday his father in law gave | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
the multi millionaire an early birthday present | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
when he appointed him as a senior White House advisor - | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
a reward perhaps for his tireless Kushner is a property developer | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
and a newspaper owner,it is not yet clear whether he will have to divest | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
himself of all his interests to take up the apparently unpaid | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
hugely influential role. What's even less clear | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
is Jared Kushner's politics. Here's our Diplomatic | :24:48. | :24:49. | |
Editor Mark Urban. Some of the new Jersey property | :24:50. | :25:00. | |
baron, Jared Kushner had a privileged upbringing. His path from | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
Harvard in the family firm looked like plain sailing. Until 2005, when | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
his father Charlie was convicted of tax evasion and witness tampering. I | :25:13. | :25:23. | |
was there, Charlie was a well-respected member of his family | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
and community. It was a terrible blow to the family. Jared as the | :25:28. | :25:37. | |
second oldest child, it was hard for him and for his sisters and brother. | :25:38. | :25:44. | |
The Kushner conviction sprang from vicious political and family | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
rivalries. Mr Krishna engaged in a conspiracy. Some have claimed that | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
this battle left Jared Kushner with a strong desire for revenge. There's | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
definitely a psychological drama at play, a lot of people spoke about | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
Kushner wanting revenge early in this election season. Now Chris | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
Christie is nowhere in the picture when it comes to the Trump | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
administration. In these cases, often there is at least a glimmer or | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
grain of truth to these stories. We have seen both in Trump and Kushner | :26:24. | :26:32. | |
a desire to get even. Hungry yet, or do we start another day. The life of | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
Jared Kushner with turns of fortune feels a little like a 19th-century | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
novel. It has been reported that his favourite book is indeed the Count | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
of Monte Cristo. A saga of how unjust imprisonment leads the hero | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
to amass a fortune and he spent a lifetime seeking revenge. Certainly | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
his alliance through marriage with the Trump family has now brought him | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
to the apex of political power. Jared is a very successful real | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
estate agent but I think he likes politics more than real estate. He | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
is very good at politics. Notoriously reluctant to give | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
interviews, Kushner, who is Jewish, took to the pages of a newspaper he | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
owns to desert -- to defend Trump against a charge of anti-Semitism | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
during a campaign. One of the people you see behind you in the newsroom | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
is Danish wards who broke the story for us and it shows you what I mean | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
about a publisher who does not, is not heavy-handed. She wrote a piece | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
questioning why Donald Trump, are clearly anti-Semitic element, come | :27:43. | :27:51. | |
to support him. And Jared answered, no candidate can be held responsible | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
for every one of their millions of supporters. But I know this guy and | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
there is not a racist or anti-Semitic bone in his body. When | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
Trump to the White House, his son-in-law was also there. Kushner | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
was credited with designing a winning campaign on a shoestring and | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
has knowledge of how Washington actually works is slight. Perhaps | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
he's a very able person but we have no track record to judge that. He | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
has no experience and he is coming this position by his family network | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
and so he has got to prove himself. But it is not for nothing that there | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
are anti-nepotism laws and it is not just this one relative, there are | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
always relatives that Trump is putting into power very close to | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
power, without appropriate Chinese walls. So it is a problem. If Jared | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
Kushner has a tendency for extremism it is in the matter of family | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
loyalty and that is what has made him indispensable to Donald Trump. | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
As for his actual politics, he has exhibited what Henry Kissinger has | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
characterised as a considerable degree of constructive ambiguity. | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
Jared is that there are guy and listens to a lot of people and is | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
willing to be persuaded but ultimately he is quite decisive. The | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
Observer I think is the only newspaper in the country for example | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
that endorsed both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in their respective | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
primaries. That shows not only the ideological diversity but that we | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
pick winners. Not forgetting the Count of Monte Cristo. After the | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
Trump victory, Chris Christie, the man expected to organise the new | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
administration, but who had gloated when the father of Jared Kushner was | :29:41. | :29:48. | |
convicted, was fired. Is it my turn? It is. When it comes to the new | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
White House and the influence on Trump, many in high hopes on his | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
special adviser, just 35 years old. Many people in Washington and New | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
York found some comfort that Jared Kushner was going to be in the ear | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
of Donald Trump before big decisions are made. So much of what Trump said | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
on the campaign trail was so toxic and frightening and yet can see is | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
someone who is soft-spoken, he is moderate, in some ways he is a | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
progressive. And off some of the hard edges of Donald Trump. In the | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
dwindling days of the Obama presidency, many in Washington are | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
anxious. The President-elect could not be more different in style and | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
one reason why they now pin their hopes on those around Trump. | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
Carrie Fisher died less than a fortnight ago, | :30:44. | :30:45. | |
but in the minds for Disney movie moguls - and Star Wars fans - | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
she is very much alive and with what might be regarded | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
as unseemly haste Disney is negotiating with the actor's | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
estate over her continued appearance in the franchise. | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
If Disney gets the go ahead Carrie Fisher will join | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
Peter Cushing, who last month, 15 years after his death, | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
played a key role in Rogue One as Grand Moff Tarkin. | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
With computers, anything is possible, but is it desirable? | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
While some living actors are contracting over the use | :31:10. | :31:11. | |
of their image when they die, others - like Robin Williams, | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
who killed himself in 2014 - explicitly banned the commercial use | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
There wasn't much that could be done when an actor died | :31:18. | :31:31. | |
Patience, it's not one of our virtues. | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
Peter Sellers was resurrected as Inspector Clouseau in the Trail | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
of the Pink Panther using deleted footage from previous films | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
in the series and a stand-in with bandages on his head. | :31:46. | :31:47. | |
When Brandon Lee died on the set of The Crow, | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
he appeared courtesy of stunt doubles and basic special effects. | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
But the advent of CGI has meant that some of our stars never fade. | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
When Oliver Reed was involved in a fatal drinking competition | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
before he'd finished filming Gladiator, production had | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
They also used a body double and CGI to complete the project. | :32:05. | :32:12. | |
The ethics of using technology to include deceased actors in films | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
after they've committed to a project are one thing. | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
But things get a little bit trickier when the project is instigated | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
It's safe to say that Audrey Hepburn never appeared in an advert selling | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
Would she have wanted her image used in such a way? | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
In last year's Star Wars film, Rogue One, Peter Cushing, | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
who died in 1994, was brought back to life. | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
His character was crucial to the story, and his estate gave | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
A young Princess Leia, as played by Carrie Fisher, | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
also popped up at the end of the film. | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
But her death just before Christmas poses a conundrum | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
The next instalment is in the can, but the last episode hasn't | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
Could anyone else play such an iconic role? | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
So, will she be brought back to life for the final instalment | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
We're joined by Tim Webber, who is the chief creative | :33:18. | :33:24. | |
officer at Framestore - the Bafta and Oscar-awarding winning | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
visual effects studio, and Anna Smith, the president | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
Good evening to you both. Anna, first of all, argue squeamish -- | :33:30. | :33:44. | |
argue squeamish about keeping actors alive for commercial gain? Yes, | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
especially in that advert with Audrey Hepburn, it feels slightly | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
queasy and strange to see them recreated, albeit brilliantly. It is | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
too uncanny. If an actor sadly dies in the middle of making a film they | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
have already consented to being, it would be their wish to continue with | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
that, but to completely recreate them is another matter. I wonder | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
what you would say to that, because Framestore is one of the companies | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
that can do this stuff, but it is no longer a performance by an actor. It | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
is still a performance by an actor, but that will be a different one. It | :34:23. | :34:31. | |
is a recreated actor. I look at it as essentially digital make-up. It | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
is another actor, not Peter Cushing, but he is wearing digital make-up. | :34:35. | :34:42. | |
That is different to people dressing up when they are giving performances | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
as the Queen or as... But they are alive. Or as Winston Churchill. | :34:48. | :34:54. | |
People wear make up and try and become other people will stop it is | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
part of acting. If it was the case that the whole Indiana Jones | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
franchise were rebooted in 20 years, and people thought, we have to have | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
Harrison Ford in this role, you would have no qualms about that? I | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
would have qualms. It is a nuanced thing to do and it depends on fire | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
you are doing it and how you do it. But I also think it's not really up | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
to us to judge whether that should happen or not. I think it is hard to | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
know who can judge when someone is dead, but the estate of the person, | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
I think, are probably the best people to make the call. Anna. Is | :35:32. | :35:39. | |
the estate the best person? Only the actor can judge. The performances | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
are so nuanced and a lot of it is about empathy. You think about the | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
great performances of our time, and often they are whimsical and cannot | :35:48. | :35:55. | |
be recreated easily. I heard that Carrie Fisher altered her Star Wars | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
scripts - that obviously can't happen if she is going to be, as it | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
were, recreated for the last one in the franchise. It won't be the | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
Carrie Fisher, the personality of Carrie Fisher. Absolutely. I can see | :36:09. | :36:14. | |
the conundrum. If I were them, I would find a smaller role so that if | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
there is a CGI Carrie Fisher, at least it is not a huge role. Is | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
there an issue in this precarious profession that keeping going with | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
the whole lot is actually rather uncreative, when you think of the | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
new lot coming through. That certainly is a danger, and I think | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
the film industry has a tendency to be uncreative and to stick to | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
proving things from the past. -- things that are proven. A film star | :36:43. | :36:50. | |
is far more than just a visit, it is the performance. That will not be | :36:51. | :36:58. | |
Peter Cushing's performance. It might be a fine performance by a | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
contemporary actor, but it is not Peter Cushing. By a doppelganger. | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
The actor who was anonymous, because he does not get credit for his | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
performance, is digitally enhanced himself, or herself, and then | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
elements of Peter Cushing's face are recreated? That's correct. | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
Essentially, they are made to look like Peter Cushing, which also does | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
involvement appellation of the performance, to a small extent, just | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
little ticks have to feel like they are Peter Cushing. It is complex. Do | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
you think it alters the audience responds when they know what they | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
are watching is something that is incredibly skilfully done, and they | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
might be taken up more by seeing how good the technology is than by | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
having an emotional connection with the character? When an actor is | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
deceased, you cannot help but be aware when they are so famous. It | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
takes the audience out of it. A lot of people said about the last Star | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
Wars film that it gave them a joke. It takes them out of the story a | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
bit. It makes it more like animate something, less like a naturalistic | :38:10. | :38:16. | |
human performance. It must. It certainly can be distracting, and I | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
think it is important to use it in the right way at the right time. It | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
can be distracting, but I don't think it need necessarily be less | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
like a human performance. That depends on the scale and techniques | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
that are used to create it. And I don't think we are there get. I have | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
looked at that Peter Cushing performance, and I look that you're | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
making of the Peter Cushing, and of course, I'm looking for everything | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
to think about whether or not it is the real person. It is very hard to | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
recreate a human. It is incredibly hard. It wasn't as who may Peter | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
Cushing. I don't think the skills have got to the point where it is | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
absolutely believable as a human being yet. Would you like to see | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
Carrie Fisher in the last of the franchise? I would, but not too much | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
because it would be distracting. I agree that a little bit would be a | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
good thing. It is important to have continuity to the story, but not too | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
much. Thank you both very much indeed. A quick look at the front | :39:21. | :39:31. | |
pages: The woman who is at the head of the Whitworth in Manchester is to | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
become the Cape's first female director. In the Telegraph: Carbon's | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
migration policy in disarray. We leave you with Ed Sheeran's | :39:41. | :39:51. | |
new release, Castle on a Hill. In a daring artistic move first | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
spotted by Facebook group Made in Poor Taste, Sheeran | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
has decided to rework the classic acoustic anthem | :40:00. | :40:01. | |
"Freelove Freeway" by David Brent. We'll leave you to decide | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
which version is better. # I was running from my | :40:05. | :40:11. | |
brother and his... # Pretty girl on the hood | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
of a Cadillac, yeah... # Running from the law | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
through the backfields and... # Tasting the sweet | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
perfume # Of the mountain | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
grass I rolled down... # Take a look at her engine starting | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
# I leave her purring # Free love on the | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
freelove freeway # The love is free | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
and the freeway is long # Driving at 90 | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
down those country lanes # Going home cos my | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
baby's gone Good evening. It will be a cold and | :40:50. | :41:17. | |
windy start to Wednesday. Gusts could reach 70 mph. There could be | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
travel disruption. The wind will bring showers with it, into the | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
northern half of the UK in particular. Some of those will be | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
wintry on high ground. The snow will be blowing around. There will be | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
some dry and bright intervals, but blustery into the afternoon. Also | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
blustery in northern England, with a scattering of showers. The strongest | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
winds will be to the east of the Pennines. Not many showers here, and | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
largely dry in East Anglia and the south-east. Some cloud and some | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
sunshine. A windy afternoon, Chile too. Through showers in the | :41:51. | :41:58. | |
south-west. A lot of dry weather. Pretty windy through the afternoon. | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
Similar across most of Wales. A good scattering of showers in Northern | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
Ireland, windy through the afternoon. Another windy day on | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
Thursday. If anything, it gets colder weather fronts coming in from | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
the south and north. Both are likely to bring some snow with them. A | :42:17. | :42:18. | |
windy | :42:19. | :42:19. |