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The leaked Trump dossier - what did the British authorities know?
Who in Whitehall saw it, and who knew what impact it
We'll talk to a former MI6 officer and a man who's been personally
Also tonight, we report from Cyprus, where signs are that
But in some quarters, wounds still run deep.
I don't believe a solution will come in the next two
If they start changing the education system, if they start
changing the Dhekelia, even now they are spreading
We ask the Northern Cypriot Representative to the UK
And we talk to choreographer Wayne McGregor about how
Some people like to dance when when no-one's looking
I think what's interesting, everybody has a personal
A salacious memo - slapped down as fake news
and vehemently denied by President-elect Trump
yesterday at his first news conference since July.
Today, he tweeted that the US Intelligence Service said it was
In fact, James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence,
effectively distanced the US Intelligence Agency
from the unverified video, saying it didn't leak it and hadn't
Since then, the spotlight has been shone on the man credited
with producing the memo - Christopher Steele, a former MI6
officer respected by British intelligence agencies,
The focus is now on what British intelligence knew and whether
anything made its way onto ministers' desks.
But the wider question persists - is this a scandal of Watergate
proportions, or one of the biggest smears in the history of politics?
Here's our Diplomatic Editor, Mark Urban.
We're learning more about the world of private intelligence gathering
and how information gleaned from across the globe -- Globe was
assembled in the Trump files, and what was done with them. There was a
London connection. The offices of Orbis, a small private firms set up
by a former company of MI6 officers, commissioned in this case by
American paymasters to dig the dirt on Trump. A series of reports was
filed by August between June and December last year. Taken together,
they presented such a serious catalogue of alleged wrongdoing is
surrounding Mr Trump and his campaign, that those in receipt of
the reports decided they would have to be sent to the FBI. And people
here, I've been told, Kimberly conclusion that meant MI6 would also
have to be put in the picture. The reports were put together by
Christopher Steele, who had served as an MI6 intelligence officer in
Russia and France. He and a partner founded August business intelligence
when he left the service in 2009. He is reported to have provided
information on the Fifa corruption case to the FBI. So evidently, they
regarded him as sound. Yesterday though, Trump trashed several of the
most extraordinary claims in the memos. I think it's a disgrace that
information would be let out. I saw the information, I read the
information outside of that meeting. It's all fake news, it's phoney
stuff, it didn't happen. But while Donald Trump yesterday claimed James
Clapper had denounced the report, today the director of national
intelligence without a public statement saying something quite
different. Leaving aside the private
intelligence gathering with all its apparent faults, the official US
intelligence community view, presented at Trump Tower last week,
was of a gross violation of American democracy in favour of the Trump
campaign by Russia. A verdict that his own nominee to run the CIA
endorsed today. Everything I've seen suggests to me that the report has
an analytical product that is sound. But as Mr Pompeo and the other
inductees move into position, Trump supporters expect the way
intelligence is presented to change. It is very convenient for them to
delegitimise ties -- delegitimise Donald Trump. They don't like him,
they don't want him, they want Mrs Clinton and they want Barack Obama,
who appointed them. But remember, you can have a whole new group of
people running these agencies as soon as his appointees are confirmed
by the Senate. With that happening, you are good to see a change in tone
and temperament. What did MI6 do with the reports it received? The
government today was remaining tight-lipped. But one person
familiar with the service's procedures told me that MI6 wouldn't
normally circulate such material if it wasn't aware of the identity of
sources from which it was drawn. So the answer seems to be, they kept it
largely to themselves. I think it would have been a pretty borderline
case if the material was not well sourced, if the source wasn't
identified, and if the source couldn't be assessed in terms of
reliability or access and credibility. I think the agency is
quite likely have been pretty cautious about putting it out. Since
the Butler report, since the Chilcot Report, they have become much more
rigorous, much more prudent in the way they present intelligence. As
for the fallout from this, the former MI6 man, Christopher Steele,
was not at home to chorus today. The focus though is shifting, back from
the credibility of his reporting, to the bigger question about the spies
and how they deal with Trump. about the spies and how
they deal with Trump. Let's talk to our Political Editor
Nick Watt, who has more details Good evening. Christopher Steele
passed this on to MI6. What happened next? I can only echo what was said
in the film. I understand these documents were not passed on to
ministers, neither were ministers briefed about them when they were
passed over. Whether they have been briefed in recent days, that is
another matter. You might have thought that a bin and century
reports like this ends up add MI6, it would end up on the desks of
senior ministers and at the White House. But what happened was a
judgment was made that these reports were not really compiled to the
standard you would expect of MI6, and with that in mind, MI6 had to
make a judgment about whether it would be helpful or Makkonen helpful
to briefed ministers. Clearly they reached something of a political
judgment based on those procedures mark was talking about, that was
best to put some distance between ministers and these reports. What is
the feeling in Whitehall that you are sensing about what has been
revealed? It's a bit sniffy, really. What I'm hearing is he is not an
intelligence agent. He is a businessman. He runs a business
model. He is essentially saying to clients, I can dig deeper and find
lots of information about rivals or political opponents. There is a
feeling that the reports are showing off. That there is one sensational
claim after another. There are very few of the caveats you would expect
in an official intelligence report. We know all about caveats. The
Butler report into the use of intelligence in the lead to the Iraq
war said that the Blair government, the joint intelligence committee,
had perhaps stripped out some of the caveats in the intelligence
presented. Let me add my own little caveat. It's not a great surprise
that officially we are finding a bit of a sniffy UK response. Obviously
macro Britain needs to big -- build bridges with the incoming Trump
bridges with the incoming Trump administration.
Let's talk now to Harry Ferguson, who is a former MI6 officer.
Thank you for joining us. We were just hearing their that Christopher
Steele is a businessman, a man respected by many intelligence
agencies. Your take on him? Yes, I have met Chris once as an
intelligence and Security Conference. He always struck me as a
very affable and very reliable sort of guy not given to flights of
fancy. I also know him through mutual friends. Another work of his
company. They are a reliable agency. Chris was a strong middle ranking
SAS officer. I don't quite agree that this was a subpar report. It
seems to me that Chris has been quite careful to try to find as many
sources as possible, but also to make it clear that these are stories
and that what his report has at the moment, it lacks that killer
evidence. What kind of stories are there? Joe Public, Wii, don't see
reports like this. What scale do we put it against, the National
Enquirer, or something as -- akin to a government led report? It's not
quite the Premier League that an SAS report would be. It's more a leading
Championship side. One of the things that's missing from this report that
you would normally find in an MI6 report is an indication of just how
long these sources have been in contact, and how reliable their
reporting has been in the past. That sort of caveat is missing. But the
intelligence included in this document really falls into three
parts. The first is to suggest that the Russians have been feeding
intelligence about the Democrats to the Trump campaign. The second is
one particular incident which appears to have occurred in 2013,
the one involving supposedly Russian prostitute in Moscow. Chris has
managed to dig up four different sources, because he wants to back
that up. There is another story that the Russians have been collecting
compromising intelligence about Trump for a very long time. That
also has a certain amount of credibility. I think Trump was
surprised to become president now. I don't think he was thinking about it
ten years ago. He is a wealthy man used to getting his own ways. Chris
has found these stories, tried to corroborate them and he has put them
out there. But he does not have that final piece of evidence. The reason
we have not seen either the SAS, the CAA or the FBI move on it is that
they don't have it either. Nobody can quite find the definitive story.
If the information is out there but can't be corroborated, why wouldn't
the intelligence services here have passed that to ministers, or is the
implication that it has already been discussed? Well, that's just it.
Chris worked in SAS for 20 years. Most of the sources he is using
would be once he built up. You would assume that in the seven years since
he left, other sources have recruited. He would have tried to
add sources himself. SYS should have already been aware that this
information was out there. I was at a Conference last week for
intelligence professionals and there was a love of gossip about this
story before it broke. People said they had heard rumours last year at
times. I think they looked at it and said, we haven't got anything new
that we are not already reporting. It doesn't enhance what we have put
out there. There is no need to let ministers know. They might have led
the Americans know what Chris was working on. A question was made
about not knowing what his sources were. They could have gone to him.
They could have asked him. I suspect they already knew. Harry Ferguson,
thank you for your time. Harry Ferguson, thank
you for your time. Someone else caught up in the Trump
memo scandal is Rick Wilson, a Republican party strategist
and Trump critic. He was accused of being
behind the Trump memo, and of leaking it to the CIA -
a charge he has denied. Rick now joins us from
Tallahassee, Florida. Thank you for joining us. How did
you get caught up in this? Well, I've been a prominent person in the
anti-Trump movement and a critic of Donald Trump for well over a year
now and when the online forum decided to claim that they had
written the memo as a prank, they put my name into the chain of
accusations, that they had leaked it to me and I had taken it to the CIA
and John McCain. It is readable and absurd but we live in an era, in
American journalism, the post-fact are, so Conservative journalists
took off with the story, believing it verbatim, even though it came
from an anonymous forum, easily demonstrated to be false and my
alleged role was easily demonstrated to be false, mainly because these
folks don't understand how politics and media and journalism works in
the US. How does politics and media work over there? You've denied any
relationship to the memo and you've established that but the fact is, as
a person who's worked in opposition research, your job is to dig dirt,
isn't it, on the opposition, in order to sully their reputation,
isn't that how it works? I'm actually the guy who hires the
opposition researchers and yes, we use opposition research to establish
a fact in a campaign so you can look at another candidate and say that
their message doesn't fit with what they are claiming, their record
doesn't fit with what they're claiming, their behaviour doesn't
fit and to go after the predicates of their candidacy. Donald Trump
claims to be a multi-billionaire, a successful international businessman
but he's been very careful about hiding his relationships in the
business community, so folks like me in the primary, well before this
silly fabricated version came out, and well before the Christopher
Steele report came out, we were looking at those relationships and
that's where a lot of the pursuit was, looking at the secrets behind
the opacity established by Trump hiding his tax returns and going
after the business relationships, overseas in particular. Why do you
think this has come out now? Many said that there were rumours last
autumn, last fall as you might say, but why now? The first contact I had
was a major investigative reporter for a TV network reached out and
said, do you know anything, can you check with your people? This was in
discussion last summer and there were rumours before that. Even some
jokes in pop culture on the Howard Stern Show before that. Why it pop
now is simple. The intelligence community has been told by Donald
Trump that they are one of his enemies, he has declared war on the
US intelligence community, questioning their judgment,
professionalism, and patria Chisholm. This is something you're
going to see when they are up against the wall like this --
patriotism. They will play with elbows out, and I don't blame them,
he has put much more trust in VanderMeer Putin and the FSB rather
than the CIA -- Vladimir Putin. Has he successfully batted this away? It
is the biggest political bet he's going to make, that he can bluster
his way out of this, that there is nothing there, that at no time in
his trips to Russia did he engage in any behaviour that was caught on
tape and that's a big bet. If he's right, he's right, but if not it
will have significant consequences for his credibility. Thank you for
joining us. The pressure and strain that the NHS
is under has been well It's experiencing its worst ever
winter crisis, the Royal College of Physicians and the Royal College
of Nursing has warned. Many patients are not receiving
care when they need it. The government's target
for A patients to be treated within four hours,
hasn't been met for 16 months - a target that is speculated
will be soon adjusted. Beds are being blocked,
causing much-needed operations to be delayed, with the head of NHS
England calling for extra funding for social care so that
patients can be released. Chris Cook, Policy Editor,
is tracking the problems There's a documentary that is
reflecting the challenges that NHS is facing. That's right, Hospital,
BBC Two on Wednesday, it is excellent and we are going to show
you a clip which illustrates the important challenge facing the NHS,
the delayed transfer of care, called a Detoc, meaning a patient who needs
care, but the hospital would like to be delivered by somebody else,
cannot be moved out because the next person in the chain of care is not
ready to take them. These Detocs are a serious problem because it means
there are not enough beds in the hospital, the patient can get stuck
in the wrong place and it can gum up everything. If you can't admit new
patients, that is difficult for because the two to deal with and it
feeds into the A problems. The case were about to see is from the
documentary, a patient called Dolly. 91-year-old Dolly is waiting to find
out if she can be discharged today. When we saw you earlier
on this morning, you were As you know, we'd hoped to get
you home later, well, not home, but to Willesden Community Hospital
this morning for a bit of rehabilitation and
some convalescence. But I think given that
you had your collapse this morning, we should probably keep an eye
on you here. So what I think we're going to do
is hang on to you for at least another 24-hours and then we'll send
the referral again But unfortunately, because they've
given the bed up to another patient this morning,
we might end up having to keep you in here for a few more days
while we wait for it The problems that we face can only
be solved really by social services creating spaces for people
in accommodation, be that for homeless drug users
or for people awaiting rehousing There's a big disconnect
between the NHS and social services and the NHS gets blamed quite a lot
for problems in the community which are rarely slightly outside
of our remit and outside You can see the concern. It is on
the consultant's face. I wonder how big a problem this is and how it is
reflected in the NHS. This morning we got a big dump of data from the
NHS which included the results of the monthly survey they do, one
night they go around and check how many Detocs are happening across NHS
England. We can show on a graft. This is the number of delayed
transfers of care on that night each month going back to 2011. There's
quite a clear pattern. If we draw a line in 2013 it becomes more
obvious. On the left-hand side, it bombs around and there is a clear
seasonal pattern but it is basically flat. Since 2013 it has been riding
very steadily and it has been accelerating recently. It may help
to understand more if we pull out a number for 2013 and the number for
November, 2016. The number has gone from about 4200, to 6000, a 60%
increase in the number of people stuck in hospital overnight on
census day. The reason for the rise is quite complicated but broadly
speaking, 10% of people are waiting for the residential care and 25% are
looking to go to a nursing home and others are looking for some kind of
support package. Of the extra, the big rise that's causing the
problems, about is caused by local authority social services not being
able to cope and 40% is the internal problems within the NHS. Thank you
for joining us. No doubt we will talk about this again.
Cyprus is a country that has been split since 1974 -
an island that many of us know as a popular holiday destination
bathed in Mediterranean sun - not overshadowed by a history
UN peacekeeping forces estimate that 165,000 Greek Cypriots fled
or were expelled from the north, and 45,000 Turkish Cypriots from
the south, during the conflict - others say the figures
Greece and Turkey are now working towards the reunification
of the island, with talks in Geneva bringing the two sides
But there will be many sticking points during the negotiations.
Selin Girit has this report from the island.
There is something very eerie about this place.
This used to be the main International Airport in Cyprus.
Now it's been abandoned for over 40 years.
I'm in the middle of the buffer zone.
Nicosia is Europe's the last divided city.
Its ghost airport, a monument to the scars it bears.
In 1974, a Greek inspired military coup in the South was met
with a Turkish invasion of the North.
But it has led to almost half a century of ethnic division.
The internationally-recognised Greek Cypriot government controls
the south of the island, while Turkish Cypriots
The 66-year-old Turkish Cypriot lives on the border town of Morphe.
The 60s and 70s saw hundreds of thousands forced to relocate.
Moved north in a population exchange.
You are taken from your house, from your village.
You are being moved to some unknown town.
Like many people living in Morphe he was given a house that used
The Geneva talks could see the town change hands and people
Despite nearly half a century here, he's remarkably philosophical.
I can't say that I will be so sad to give the house
I don't want my children to live the wars that we have lived.
So it is more important to find a solution, to have peace,
than to move from one house to another.
He tells me, "if I have to move out from here,
I will have another garden in the new home that I make."
But his attitude is not shared by everyone in Morphe.
For some, any change will be painful and bitterly opposed.
A few miles down the road, at an orthodox cemetery,
there is a reminder that many lost more than their homes.
Here, Greek and Turkish Cypriot archaeologists work side-by-side,
digging deep trenches to find and identify people who went missing
They have already dug out the remains of 25 people
It's a big deal for both communities.
And by finding these people you are delivering them back
to the family so they can have a proper burial,
they can have their family visiting the grave.
And so this trauma will close, it will heal.
Once bodies are found, they are brought here.
At the lab at the Committee of Missing People, the process
Sometimes it takes a long time to reconstruct it from small pieces.
At the end, I think we have a good result.
So far we have identified about 720 individuals on both communities.
And the total number of the missing people is about 2,000.
But that means over 1,000 still lie in the Cypriot soil.
If there was not a coup, was there an invasion?
One of them is one victim's younger brother, George.
He was a nice, good-looking young man.
This is a very deep wound which will stay there.
The wound may close but the big scar will stay there
I don't believe a solution will come in the next two
If they start changing the education system,
if they start changing things, even now they are spreading
So what we have here is exceptional, if you think of what this country
Half of this table is Turkish Cypriot and the other
They are drinking their traditional drink and toasting to
This is not the last chance for peace.
We, the new generation, we create the piece.
I am waiting for this all of my life.
I'm so excited and the same time, emotional.
This time, they woke up from the ten years sleeping and now it's time
for us to have a change in our island.
In Geneva, a game of diplomacy is on, which move to make?
Here in Cyprus, the hope is neither side loses.
We are joined by the North Cyprus Representative
We did ask the Cypriot government for an interview,
but they were not able to give us anyone.
Welcome. We have just understood that the talks finished a short time
ago in Geneva without agreement. They will reconvene on January 18.
There seem to be some sticking points. What do you think they might
be? I think right now the Turkish Cypriots side is determined to
continue with the talks in Geneva until we reach a final solution.
What would be the sticking points? There may be more than one sticking
point. Each and every item will be considered. Let's talk about one
that has been brought up. Grease once its territory increased. It
would mean that Turkey's portion of land would be diminished. Is that
realistic to expect the Turkish Cypriots side to agree to that? I
think the Turkish Cypriots side is there to negotiate the issue of
territory as well as any other issue. And yes, both sides will make
their demands. I think the Turkish Cypriots side really wants to do a
minimal uprooting of people when the issue of territory will be
discussed. How much of an effect would 6% have? I wouldn't be able to
tell you that. But we will -- there will be percentages discussed and
with they will reach a mutually agreeable solution. But the most
important thing for Turkish Cypriots is to have a minimal number of
people uprooted from their current homes. The reason I ask you about
this is that President Erdogan has been quite reluctant to exceed any
land or change this percentage and this will be a sticking point. We
don't want this, surely, to be this the state of play moving forward? I
think the Turkish Cypriots side really wants to move on because the
negotiations have started in 1968. 448 years, we have been negotiating,
to reach a final agreement, a settlement agreement, which will
hopefully be taken to a referendum by both sides simultaneously. Before
we talk about the referendum and when they may take place, there are
30,000 troops come Turkish troops, patrolling the north. How open is
the negotiating table from the Turkish Cypriot side to them being
removed, being made part of the UN peacekeeping force? As you know, the
UN peacekeeping force arrived in March 19 64. Turkish troops came in
1974. Things have happened between the two dates. If any issue of
troops is going to be discussed, I'm sure it will be discussed. What do
you think the likely conclusion is? I cannot guess. No one can guess.
I'm sure even people in Geneva cannot guess. It's a question of
discussions. People may have expectations. But when you are doing
negotiations, you are trying to reach something mutually agreeable.
How likely do you think there will be success? There is a specific
timetable. There is hope the referendum can take place by the end
of April. Is that likely to happen? If things continue in Geneva, why
not? It's all a question of intent. So we could see a reunified Cyprus
by the end of this year? I hope so. If possible. Thank you very much for
joining us. Thank you. Wayne McGregor has now been resident
choreographer at the Royal Ballet in London for a decade -
the first person in that role to come from a contemporary
dance background. A high accolade, on top
of his already impressive He has collaborated
with high-profile musicians such as the White Stripes,
Paloma Faith and He's also choreographed films
including Fantastic Beasts, Our Special Correspondent,
Katie Razzall, has been hearing According to him, there
is a dancer in us all. What's amazing about dance is it's
connected to everybody As likely to work with Radiohead
as the Royal Ballet, at his best Wayne McGregor's
choreography fuses dance, Not bad for a boy from
Stockport who found early What was it about John Travolta that
got you into this whole thing? I think it was just his
passion for dancing. He just kind of came
alive on the dance floor. And you see this physical
kind of vitality. It's just amazing when you see
somebody kind of live So I started ballroom
dancing lessons, disco Some people like to dance
when no one is looking. I think what's interesting
is everybody has a personal So when I came in the room and met
you today, I already have a sense of something about you,
the way in which you greeted me, the way in which you had eye
contact, the way in which your body How far or how distanced
you started to communicate, In a way choreography or dance
making is about that. It's about that
transaction of energy. There's just something primal
about ideas of physicality that A one-time research fellow
at Cambridge University, McGregor's fascination with science
and technology has seen him collaborate with neurologists
to understand more about how mind And what that means for the creative
process. It is partly just a fascination of what happens
cognitively when you are moving. In the olden days we would have this
idea that the brain and body This kind of sense that
we're all just walking But actually we know, and we know
this because of in-body technology, the way in which we are using
technology now, that actually And I'm just interested to find
out more about that. What does it mean to
think about something? If I'm about to reach
and touch your shoulder, already I've got a sense of how far
I have to reach before I touch you, All those things happen intuitively
in my brain before I do it. And that's a version
of physical thinking. And what we're doing
as dancers is doing a more A decade into his role
as resident choreography at London's the Royal Ballet,
McGregor is rehearsing a revival There you go, there
you go, you do it. You already have a kinaesthetic
response to that. That sense of sound shapes the
dynamic. My job in a way is to recognise
what that special signature is, what that feel is, and use it
to develop something that says something about our ideas,
that says something about you. What are you trying
to say about the world? I think I'm trying to say
that the world isn't complete. It's a partial view,
it's fragmented. There are a lot of those
old-fashioned traditional ballet They can keep thinking there are,
but why would there be? And we don't want an art
form that is dying. We want an art form that
truly vibrant and alive, I mean, are there
issues you care about? I think making art is
political in itself. Education is political,
empowering people to think creatively and challenge
the system is political. This is one of the big challenges
of the stem argument, this reduction of arts
education in schools. It's really important
first of all to get those One of the drivers to get
them into school is very And then to see the crosstalk
between maths and music, rhythm and mathematics,
organisation and spatial organisation, really
important terms of geometry. There are some important
ways in which these In his quest for crosstalk, McGregor
has collaborated with a whole host From Mark Wallinger
and the White Stripes, to Mark Ronson, Paloma Faith
and Radiohead's Thom Yorke. And he has an amazing ability to be
really real and just be himself. That's why you get this
amazing raw physicality. I guess when you're working
with somebody like that, my job is to recognise it,
find it, and just It's not to go, "Well,
let's move like this." The technological process
of that is very different. That pushes some of your
buttons, doesn't it? And it was one shot,
you probably noticed. So the camera shows four
and a half minutes. And then that really,
really long technological process. Please join me in welcoming
the lovely ladies... As movement director
on this Harry Potter, But there's a Wayne McGregor
signature to Alexander Skarsgard's performance in The Legend of Tarzan,
if you look carefully. And his latest endeavour
was Fantastic Beasts. When you're working
on something like the obscurus in Fantastic Beasts,
how can you make some physical activity that then
is motion-captured that But it's also about
characterisation, finding small physical detail,
and so there is a huge amount of choreographers working in film,
or movement directors in film, What we do physically
and constantly, we get into habits. We live our lives in
a very habit-formed way. I think to remain curious
and open to the world, you really have too actively change
something about yourself, whether that's watching the kinds
of films you never normally watch, whether that's going to a gig
you never normally go to, whether that's watching dancing
the way that you wouldn't, whether that's picking up poetry,
it doesn't really matter. And I think that keeps you really
engaged and alive, and all your And I think that's what we always
want in life, to be highly attuned. And you can watch Katie Razzall's
full interview with Wayne McGregor James O'Brien will be here tomorrow
night. Goodbye. Good evening. A wintry night out
there. Sleet and snow showers pushing south during the course of
the night. First thing in