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The first peoples houses are ready for Harold Macmillan to inspect. | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
Built in 12 weeks for less than ?1000 each. You don't have to have | :00:28. | :00:35. | |
great architecture to make a great place to live. But Londoners could | :00:36. | :00:46. | |
learn to be grateful that so much of the new architecture has been as | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
good as this. The leader of the GLC looked on as Mrs Thatcher defended | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
their sales policy. She left to a chorus of chance. It is very | :00:59. | :01:05. | |
depressing. When they say the price range,... Two-bedroom flats in this | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
Chelsea Street are going for seven times their original price. It is | :01:13. | :01:20. | |
about making money, why should I feel bad? The government said it had | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
cut the average cost of a mortgage by 100 and pounds per month from | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
1990. House prices have gone up so much that you cannot get a deposit | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
together, you cannot get a mortgage from a bank or building society. | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
Everything is too expensive. We need every single penny. It is gone | :01:43. | :01:53. | |
before we even think about it. For far too long, we have not built | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
enough houses. Relative to population size, Britain has had | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
Western Europe's lowest rate of house building for three decades. | :02:04. | :02:17. | |
Not every job comes with its own central London accommodation - | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
rent free and walking distance to work. | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
Britain's housing crisis is legendary: Unaffordable, | :02:25. | :02:25. | |
unattainable and - it sometimes feels - insolvable. | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
Tonight, we dedicate the whole programme to housing - | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
hearing from people forced into emergency accommodation, people | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
who can't afford to buy a home, and people seeking radical measures | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
to stop second home owners where they live. | :02:39. | :02:40. | |
We'll get reaction from the Housing Minister. | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
And I'll be asking him what the government's plans today | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
House prices are a national obsession for good reason. | :02:45. | :02:56. | |
An average terraced house in England and Wales cost ?41,000 in 1995. | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
A similar house in London moved in price from ?74,000 in 1995, to | :03:02. | :03:10. | |
Had the price of hamburgers risen with house prices | :03:11. | :03:17. | |
over that time, a Big Mac would now cost ?7.75. | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
Some of the effects of high house prices are | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
For example the 2011 census revealed the first ever decline in | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
Some of the effects though, are much more | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
For example, academic research suggests that these high | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
house prices are probably depressing the number of children that young | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
It really matters in a very fundamental way that young | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
people are currently paying very high rents to landlords and | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
struggling to put together the deposit required to own their own | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
Here is a graph showing how much London first-time buyers had to | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
save in the late 1990s for a deposit. | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
It starts just under 20% of their income. | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
Now here is a line for the North West. | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
It is lower down because things are bit easier there. | :04:17. | :04:25. | |
In the north-west, it is 50%. This is partly about supply. This line | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
shows the growth in the housing stock going back two centuries. You | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
don't need to look too closely, what you need to notice is that we never | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
get very far above 1% a year for very long. And, since the 1980s, | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
that chronic problem of undersupply has got even worse. The green belt, | :04:49. | :04:56. | |
we have identified areas of the country which are near to major | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
centres of employment and underdeveloped and we have | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
designated them as hard to build on. Furthermore, we had problems with | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
local authorities. Remember, they are elected by people who live in | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
areas now, not who live in them for years to come and that makes them | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
against development. Some have even gone as far as the junior open | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
population projections of the can planning applications. | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
The Bank of England estimates that the | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
cost of borrowing for someone with 25% equity in their house was 8.75% | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
Then it was 5.6% in 2007, then 2.98% in 2017. | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
That easy credit is a major part of explaining the | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
There's plenty else for governments to do. | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
While the share of people renting has risen, for example, | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
the rules on renting don't really reflect that. | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
Housing is an area that sees lots of little initiatives, but | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
That was Chris Cook, our policy editor. | :05:58. | :06:06. | |
He's with me now, as is our Political Editor, Nick Watt. | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
We got that large package of measurements from the government | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
today, how did they add up? The White Paper is very striking in the | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
sense in which it echoes. The government accepts there is a | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
housing crisis and accept that rents are too high and affordability is a | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
problem and it says things like this is what we are worried about for the | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
future and it is happening now. In that context, it is very striking, | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
that the measures don't really seem to add up to the urgency of the | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
message. There are for example, nothing much on the green belt, not | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
a lot on rental regulation, what is most interesting, is quite an odd | :06:55. | :07:03. | |
narrow bed. I mentioned in the package, some councils effectively | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
forged their own estimates so they can say, we do not need those new | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
houses and they can protect their own little corners. The government | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
will not let them do that potentially as we go forward. What | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
that might mean is you will end up with situations where green belt | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
places in the north and north-west will suddenly find they have been | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
told they need to build more houses and they will find they have a | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
choice between identifying their beautiful town centres or building | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
on what might be scrubby green belt and that might be a wedge by which | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
we can move the argument about places we should protect and places | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
we shouldn't protect going forwards. What do you think is driving this | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
fundamentally? It is quite something when a government in its seventh | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
year describes a fundamental area of as broken and that is what Theresa | :07:55. | :08:07. | |
May has done in the White Paper. Is delivering on the commitment she | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
made when she launched her bid for the Conservative leadership last | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
summer. When she was trying to get and replace David Cameron, she | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
almost cast herself as an opposition leader Wendy said she wanted to lead | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
a country for everyone, not just the privileged few. She pledged sweeping | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
programme of reform and near the top of the list was housing and there | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
was a bit of a jibe at David Cameron, she said you would never | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
solve that problem unless you narrowed the gap between those who | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
inherit and those who do not inherit. Wind forward seven months, | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
we have similar rhetoric today from the Prime Minister, but the big | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
question is does it match the substance? There are Tories who are | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
happy tonight that the green belt seems to be OK, but there are other | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
Tories who are wondering whether Sajid Javid and Gavin Barwell, went | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
back to first principles, dreamt up a grand plan, but essentially, the | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
plan has come in under expectations. Take land banking, this is the | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
hoarding of land by developers, one of the big things that really holds | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
up house building and there are some people saying that unless you | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
actually punished developers for according land for many years, you | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
will never do with it. These concerns are being voiced by | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
Conservatives, but there is one person who is able to talk freely | :09:23. | :09:33. | |
and criticise the Shadow Housing Minister and I spoke to him earlier | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
and this is what he told me. Today was a plan that was beyond | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
belief and what we should have had from ministers was not a priority | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
after seven years. Sajid Javid told the House | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
of Commons to have a proper conversation about housing need | :09:44. | :09:45. | |
and what we needed was a big programme to build more affordable | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
homes to rent and to buy. Joining us here now, | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
three people who speak for thousands more in the problems they've | :09:56. | :10:05. | |
encountered finding a home. They'll put their concerns to | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
Gavin Barwell, Minister for Housing, Sam Oakley, Nicola | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
Stone, Camilla Hayle, Thank you very much for coming in | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
and I am going to start with you Nicola. Try and claim to the | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
Minister and those watching, what you are going through, your daily | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
commute and your problems with housing. I moved out of private | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
renting to live with my parents. I commute an hour and 20 and I am a | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
teacher. I am trying to save money, that has been offset by the amount I | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
paid to commute. That is each way, twice a day and you start work | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
presumably early. Eight o'clock. It is a 12 hour day. Sam, give us a | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
sense of where you are? My partner and I have been living together for | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
a few years and we have good jobs, decent money, but we cannot save a | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
penny, frankly. We save as much as we can but it is not anywhere near | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
scratching the surface of what we need for a deposit. You are in | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
private rented accommodation? Yes, for five years. I would save 40% of | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
our income goes directly on rent. That is before taking into account | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
other bills. Even though you're trying to buy as a couple? Exactly. | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
We have looked at other options including shared ownership. The | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
costs of that are staggering. Camilla, give us a sense of where | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
you are? You moved back in with your mother. Yes. I have lived at home | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
for seven years. I have been saving since then. I have got a healthy | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
deposit but because of my income I cannot afford to buy a house that is | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
suitable for my needs because I am disabled. I spoke to the council | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
about their disabled accommodation and how I might be able to get help | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
and they said I had saved too much money to | :11:56. | :12:11. | |
get help from them, so I am stuck in accommodation that is not suitable. | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
You're not even on the ground floor. Top floor and if I cannot walk at | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
that time, I am stuck in the house for several weeks. What do you need | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
to hear from the Minister and what do you want to see in the paper | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
today that will start to solve the problem for you? I would like | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
something that things about the predicament that disabled people are | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
in, it is hard to get accommodation that suits our needs that is | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
affordable. You have got all these restrictions. I have to be near | :12:33. | :12:34. | |
family. We need something that helps disabled people that are working and | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
trying to save and that gives them a boost. Sam is there enough in this | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
document that you have seen that made you think that there was | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
progress? I think the idea of building more houses is fantastic | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
and building more houses on the green belt, if you ask anyone from | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
my generation, they will welcome that warmly. That is a positive | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
thing. The problem for us is the difference that that will make to | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
house prices, that is so many years away. It will be a generation before | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
that will have any impact. I like the lifetime- and think it is a | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
great policy. I currently use the help to buy and the air nears you | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
cannot use that until after a deposit so it does not help in that | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
sense. The lifetime ISA will change that. It still feels a very long way | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
away. Nicola, what do you want to get or here. What is missing. The | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
main thing that struck me is the idea of building homes on the right | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
places, but but -- but I think that working in a certain area, I want to | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
be near enough to my community as a teacher so that I can be a part of | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
it and that is not necessarily possible if you work in London or | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
anywhere that has high housing pricing. Whether there is scope to | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
build in the right place for me is something that is really important. | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
There is a lot of optimism from these people. That is despite | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
government recognising that this is a crisis and that your shadow was | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
not quite so generous. He said it was a feeble document. Lord Kennedy | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
said it is a Lemsip approach. There was so much expectation on this. | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
There was so much acknowledgement of the problem and a half-hearted | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
attempt today to solve it. I would not describe it as half-hearted. It | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
is not surprising that the Labour Party will not welcome the proposal | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
but if you look at the reaction from Shelter or the chartered Institute | :14:34. | :14:35. | |
of Housing, they have John Healey called it a white flag, | :14:36. | :14:49. | |
he said you have surrendered. You know that people like this are never | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
going to buy a house before the age of 40 so it is all about renting. We | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
have not surrendered, there is a change of emphasis. Historically | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
people spoke of the party of home ownership. But we have to have an | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
offer to people who are renting as well. So why did you not go further | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
on some of the things that Labour has done? Labour is saying returned | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
to regulation of the Private rental market. Looking at history you can | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
see where that leads, a smaller rental sector. We are trying to | :15:26. | :15:34. | |
change the market, banning and front cost and trying to encourage new | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
people into building private rented accommodation with greater security. | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
So there is a package to try to make renting more secure and affordable. | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
You talked about 30 years of inaction and then all the words you | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
use today are about encouraging or examining the operations for | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
reforming the system and developing contributions, consulting, closely | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
monitoring, obligating utility companies. These are incredibly | :16:06. | :16:15. | |
tentative. Consulting on requiring local authorities, I could go on but | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
nothing that says there any commitment. There are some clear | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
commitments and the white paper. For example introducing a standard | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
methodology for how we calculate and making sure local councils do not | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
stop those tough decisions and release land. What about land | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
banking, that could have been so simple. What to think we could have | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
done? Put a tax on it. You have 200,000 homes you know RMT, why | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
cannot these three people move to them tomorrow. First if you were | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
running a development company you would need to have a land bank. | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
Shareholders need that. So it is less the existence of land banks but | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
how big they are because it takes too long to starting a scheme to | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
building it out. And for me the bigger problem is when they start on | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
site it is too long to then build a scheme out. The white paper has | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
specific proposals to make people build much quicker. People look at | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
the Tory government and remember Thatcher, she promised everyone the | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
right to buy and you are promising everyone access to a consultation | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
and these guys have acknowledged that even if new building began | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
tomorrow it is too late for them. We're promising far more than a | :17:36. | :17:44. | |
consultation. Just something short of 40,000 people have helped to buy | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
their own home. So you're happy customer not at all, the white paper | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
is clear we have made progress but nowhere near good enough. If all | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
three of the people you have tonight on the panel who live in south | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
London as I do, and they represent thousands shut out by the housing | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
market. So I'm not going to sit and say I'm satisfied. Ayew reassured? | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
To a certain degree, I think the main problem is the generational | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
issue. And also the costs going into buying a house, if we could get a | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
deposit together then it is an extra 15 grand in fees on top of that. | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
Whether stamp duty or whatever. It would've been great to see something | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
on duty. Whether it helps old people downsize or helps young people get | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
into their first home. I would like to have seen that in that paper. We | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
are taking action on stamp duty to reform the system so ordinary people | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
are paying less than they would have paid a few years ago. Of course I | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
understand it is an additional cost. We need to make the home buying | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
system fairer. Do you want to come back one other point is that the | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
Minister has made? I think there has been nothing there for disabled | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
people. And there are young disabled people just like me with the same | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
problems these guys have but then our own problems on top. Just | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
nothing, that is not considered a lot of the time in policies. This is | :19:21. | :19:27. | |
a concern, we changed this area of policy so now there are | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
accessibility standards that councils are required to use. There | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
are higher standards that they can apply. It is not the case that you | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
need every home to be at the higher level. If we did it would make the | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
supply problem worse. But we need to make sure there are sufficient homes | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
for people like Camilla. She lives in London and the Greater London | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
authority has applied these standards. But she raises an | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
important point, not just about the total number of homes but getting | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
the right mix of homes for the changing demography of our | :20:04. | :20:04. | |
population. Thank you for coming in. We're going to keep the minister | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
here as we explore what happens In the next film we meet three | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
individuals, each kicked out of their private lodging, | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
when things got tough. In one case, with | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
a two day old baby. They were residents of | :20:17. | :20:18. | |
Waltham Forest in North East London, They were moved out | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
to the Hertfordshire town of Welwyn Garden City and given | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
a studio room in which to This is Boundary house, | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
Welwyn Garden City, There is 45 studio flats | :20:30. | :21:02. | |
here and as I know, This is the single room where me | :21:03. | :21:23. | |
and my two kids sleep. This is a studio flat, | :21:24. | :21:38. | |
and you've got two children? My partner and I were living | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
in a property with the kids and he got into some trouble | :21:44. | :22:01. | |
and he's in prison at the moment. And they evicted me | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
from the property because it was And I got evicted, went | :22:07. | :22:08. | |
to the council, spent Until about 6:30 in the evening | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
they told me they were sending I'd never heard | :22:13. | :22:20. | |
of this place before. What did the council said, | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
because presumably you've spoken to the council | :22:24. | :22:24. | |
about the cramped conditions here? Yes, I e-mailed them | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
because when you phone them, I e-mailed them from October | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
and nobody responded to me. Why did you move | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
here, what happened? I don't know, I put in a request | :22:37. | :23:15. | |
for emergency accommodation. I've lived the last, what, ten years | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
in the borough, in Waltham Forest. And I have obviously a connection | :23:19. | :23:32. | |
there, I studied there, My whole family is there, | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
my whole family. I have no-one within minimum an hour | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
from here, no-one at all. My biggest worry is the heating, | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
obviously because, like, she needs to sleep warm at night | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
and she doesn't. I mean, if I'm cold, | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
I can imagine how she is. I don't even know how | :23:50. | :23:51. | |
it functions properly. It has come on, which was probably | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
four days ago the last The day I was discharged | :23:58. | :24:07. | |
from the hospital I came here around Right, there was electric and gas, | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
but there was no heating. So I phoned the emergency number | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
at ten o'clock at night and let And the room was freezing cold | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
and they said all they can They said they would get back | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
to me in the morning. 11 o'clock came and no one came | :24:29. | :24:35. | |
so I had to phone them again and they said they had | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
no message recorded. Abigail, I've just been visiting | :24:39. | :25:07. | |
some of the women in the block. They've been moved here | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
from central London. Can you tell me how long | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
you've been here for? I've been here for | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
almost three years. So this year in March will be three | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
years since I've been here. How did you end up | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
here, what happened? I used to rent privately | :25:25. | :25:36. | |
and the landlord realised I was pregnant and he didn't want | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
any babies in the property. And the council was like, we don't | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
have any properties available, the only thing we can do is just | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
send you off to Hertfordshire. Basically everything | :25:50. | :25:58. | |
is in the same room. The kitchen, the bedroom, | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
the sitting room, everything, And then this is basically | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
the living room which is I work in London as well so it | :26:05. | :26:12. | |
hasn't been easy for me to keep Travelling like, 20 miles to work | :26:13. | :26:20. | |
every day is a nightmare. I spend more than half my wages | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
on transportation fees. My older daughter, Maya, | :26:27. | :26:36. | |
she knows that way we live is different from where most people | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
live because every time we go to other places there is a separate | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
kitchen and a separate bathroom and a separate living | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
room and bedroom. She notices the difference | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
between there and this place. Obviously she's a girl growing up, | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
she wants to play around, she wants to have a normal life | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
like a little girl, Waltham Forest council told us | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
they do all they can to house people in the borough and it's working | :27:01. | :27:18. | |
to repair any substandard Joining me now, Roger | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
Harding from Shelter, And Gavin Barwell, | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
Housing Minister. Your thoughts? There is the most | :27:24. | :27:35. | |
shocking illustration of the scale of the problem we're trying to | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
tackle. Going back years ago the most common reason for homelessness | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
would be relationship breakdown and today it is people losing private | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
rented sector tenancy. The last lady in the clip is someone who is | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
working. She had a job but simply cannot find any accommodation she | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
can afford. This is everywhere, something you've recognised | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
throughout the UK. Throughout the country and not confined to London. | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
Seen the full range of the housing crisis from people at the sharpest | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
end of it. To raise children in one room, younger people priced out, | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
children living at home with their parents longer than they should have | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
too. Could this be solved if more council homes were built? Definitely | :28:24. | :28:31. | |
but also a range of genuinely affordable homes. We're not good | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
enough and the homes we are building are not affordable at the moment to | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
many people on low to middle incomes. One of the reasons for that | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
is land is too expensive. We have a development model that encourages | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
developer -- developers to bid for Elan. The one who wins is the most | :28:50. | :28:57. | |
bullish about what they can charge and minimising contributions to the | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
local community. The simplest way then to get that supply of housing, | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
the easiest way to allocate housing to those who need it and make it | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
fair and affordable is to let councils build. That is part of the | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
answer and the white paper says that. It is not the only solution, | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
because people want the opportunity to own themselves. But if you look | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
at the rising level of homelessness that is definitely part of the | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
answer. But at the moment there is the borrowing cap. They can do that | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
through housing companies, there is extra money in the white paper and | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
also housing associations can help people. There's an added ?1.4 | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
billion in the Autumn Statement and Willis and also to housing charities | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
that said the budget was just shared ownership. At the moment they cannot | :29:50. | :29:56. | |
increase the amount they borrow because it goes on to the national | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
sum. Why not let them...? this is something for future | :29:59. | :30:11. | |
generations, it is not about more debt for the country, it is about | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
solving the crisis. It is additional government borrowing and we need to | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
find other ways to get around the problem. It's if you look at the | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
capital budget we have for housing, we are going to double it. They do | :30:24. | :30:25. | |
not even keep the proceeds from right to buy. Why could they | :30:26. | :30:55. | |
not keep 100%. We use some of that money to pay off debt but we give | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
them enough money to replace it. Historically with Right To Buy, it | :30:59. | :31:00. | |
helped people, but the homes were not replaced and since we | :31:01. | :31:02. | |
reinvigorated it, we have insisted that those homes need to be | :31:03. | :31:04. | |
replaced. The consequence of not doing this issue push more people | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
into the private sector. You have admitted you cannot regulate it | :31:08. | :31:09. | |
enough. We need more affordable housing. We are doing that, putting | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
an extra money and the budget is increasing. The money that we have | :31:13. | :31:14. | |
given, is the biggest ever budget London has had for affordable | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
housing. The new money is definitely very welcome. It is great to see. We | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
could be a lot more ambitious on this. After the Second World War, | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
the country was genuinely on the verge of bankruptcy, we managed to | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
have the ambition to build a huge new generation council homes, and we | :31:29. | :31:35. | |
build a wide variety of homes and we have lost that will and drive to | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
create that. The White Paper today asks a lot of the right questions, | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
but what I would really like to see from the government is that the | :31:45. | :31:47. | |
government comes up with answers because it is a consultation, not a | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
firm set of proposals. It is hard to know what it will deliver at the | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
moment and we need quicker answers. We talked about being brave and | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
ambitious five years ago, you have had thousands of consultations and | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
recognise the problem, at what point do you do something that is | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
recognised to be a really bold and ambitious, radical move? I don't | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
admit that. First of all, we have done a lot, we inherited the lowest | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
level of house building since the 1920s and it has gone up but it is | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
not high enough. If you look at how you need to improve performance, | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
what you are looking for is a silver bullet, a single thing... I don't | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
think you can call it that after you have been tackling the problem for | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
30 years and you have been in government for seven years. It is a | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
slow flying paper aeroplane! We need a lot of different policy | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
interventions to release more land, speed up the process to building and | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
to diversify the range of people building homes that is what are | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
doing. We have done this before and we are seeing across Europe, lots of | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
other countries who are building significantly more than us and have | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
ramped up far quicker than we have done at the moment because they have | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
given this more of a political push then we have seen to date. We have | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
seen more action there and in Scotland as well around creating... | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
It is fear of doing anything that will upset the Tory days when you | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
talk about the green belt even though it is not exactly a stately | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
home. I agree with you entirely. It is about political priority and | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
Theresa May has ramped up this issue. She spoke passionately | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
outside the door of Number 10 about making this a country that works for | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
everyone and you can only do it if you fix the broken -- Brogan has a | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
market. What happens though if the housing | :33:40. | :33:41. | |
problem in this country has become too big to solve with normal | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
tweaks and adjustments. Grant Shapps - a fellow Tory - | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
admitted today the need had come for radical change - | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
unless we wanted to carry on having the same conversation | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
for another five years. Some parts of the country have | :33:52. | :33:53. | |
taken market regulation into their own hands - | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
drastic measures to cut down on out of towners buying up all the most | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
juicy housing stock. Evan Davies heads to both | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
St Ives, in Cornwall, and the island of Jersey, | :34:02. | :34:03. | |
to see what plans the locals have cooked up, to keep | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
things affordable. Jersey may be famous | :34:06. | :34:20. | |
for its picturesque views, But like the UK it's far more | :34:21. | :34:22. | |
a financial services economy In fact, it's a tiny | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
microcosm of Britain. It's only 100,000 people, | :34:28. | :34:37. | |
but it's well off and a magnet The other feature of this place | :34:38. | :34:40. | |
is that it's very densely populated. It doesn't always feel like it, | :34:41. | :34:52. | |
but it's actually three times We could take another | :34:53. | :34:54. | |
100 million people and still be So it's crowded, lots of people | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
want to come here, that creates So complex rules here governed | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
the allocation of homes. Providing a form of immigration | :35:04. | :35:12. | |
control and protecting the locals. You either qualify as having full | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
access to the housing A local estate agent | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
explain the basics. As a qualified local you are free | :35:20. | :35:26. | |
to rent or purchase any property, there is no entry level, | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
there is no ceiling. As an unqualified person | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
or somebody new to the island, that's not coming here | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
through an employer, they unfortunately had to rent | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
at the lower end of the market and spend ten continuous years | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
here paying tax before they then become a entitled to purchase | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
anything and everything. So we have a ten year | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
qualifying period before It's the development of 35 one | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
and a half bedroom units It is the same story | :36:01. | :36:13. | |
with social housing, also allocated with long-term | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
residents in mind. How do I get a social | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
property if I'm in Jersey? Well, you firstly need to meet | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
the criteria to be classed as residentially qualified, | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
so that's the ten years residency. And then the following on from that | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
come you need to apply to the affordable housing gateway | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
which has another set of criteria which just helps us ascertain | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
the level of need that you're actually in in order to access | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
the market of social housing. You probably thought | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
it was a market economy here. We control not only housing, | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
so who can buy and who can rent, by the number of years that they've | :36:45. | :36:52. | |
been here, we also control work and businesses through jobs licenses | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
and the number of jobs that they can have, again determined by the length | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
of time that somebody has been here. Francis is a tenant | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
of the main social housing She's been here decades and worked | :37:07. | :37:08. | |
hard as hotelier and feels I do feel I have worked | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
and paid taxes and really, you know, when I needed help | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
they were there to help me. Although before I had put a lot | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
back into the community. Suppose that Jersey removed | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
all the restrictions on housing A few more non-Jersey folk | :37:30. | :37:31. | |
would move in, and a few more Jersey natives would move out, | :37:32. | :37:43. | |
all would go off to college Well, we are used to markets | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
and their inequalities. We know that the rich get nice cars | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
and the poor maybe get none. Is it acceptable that locals can be | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
priced out of their own community? From Jersey to Guernsey, | :37:55. | :38:06. | |
even to Liechtenstein, micro-states have often controlled | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
entry and ownership and it's been considered and acceptable | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
form of self protection. But is something similar | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
to the Jersey method relevant Well, toes are being put | :38:18. | :38:19. | |
in the water here in Again, it's a nice place, | :38:20. | :38:28. | |
lots of people want to be here. And wealthy second home for example | :38:29. | :38:40. | |
want to buy houses here. The issue is not foreigners, | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
but it is still about the balance between outsiders | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
and permanent residents. There are two forms | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
of housing which are excluded I think if we carry on the way | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
we are, we are just about a generation away of St Ives | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
becoming a ghost town. All those people who live here, | :38:56. | :38:57. | |
turn this beautiful looking place into a thriving community, | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
would not be able to live here, therefore they wouldn't | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
be able to work here, the shops wouldn't get staff, | :39:05. | :39:06. | |
the restaurants wouldn't get staff. And as I say, it would be shut | :39:07. | :39:13. | |
for most of the year. Last May, they had a referendum | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
on a local plan to change things. Any new build, from the time | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
that the plan is made, and it was passed into law | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
on the 29th of December, any new build has to be | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
lived in as a whole. The effect is there | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
will be two markets. For existing homes, an open | :39:35. | :39:43. | |
market, and for new-build Only locals can buy new-build houses | :39:44. | :39:45. | |
and they will only be able to sell The precise effects | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
are hard to know. The whole thought process behind | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
it is completely wrong. It is going to only increase second | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
home value in the town, make it harder for affordability | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
for the local people. And land value is going to remain | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
very high, so the developers are going to disappear | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
and go elsewhere. Now you can see the | :40:09. | :40:10. | |
locals' difficulty. Even if they could build | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
loads and loads and loads of extra homes around here, | :40:17. | :40:18. | |
without ruining the place, well, it wouldn't solve the problem | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
because all that would happen is lots and lots and lots | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
of outsiders would come There is huge demand, | :40:26. | :40:27. | |
that is why they think you have to have a rule | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
about who gets the homes. What happens in St Ives doesn't | :40:33. | :40:39. | |
necessarily stay in St Ives. London has some of the same | :40:40. | :40:48. | |
problems, as do other crowded, Is it possible to contemplate | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
that these other places might resort Joining us now, Deyan Sudjic, | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
director of the Design Museum Daisy May Hudson, documentary-maker | :40:55. | :41:04. | |
Patrik Schumacher, director and principal of Zaha Hadid | :41:05. | :41:06. | |
Architects. A warm welcome to all of you. Is | :41:07. | :41:18. | |
market intervention the right way to go? It is an emergency button but is | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
it time to press it? I believe so. I am not speaking as an architect, | :41:25. | :41:32. | |
acting professionally, but as a thinker and someone who is in | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
various think tanks. I'm thinking about policy and thinking ahead and | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
looking at the White Paper and finding it is not radical enough, I | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
agree with the Labour Party, but it is not radical in another direction. | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
I would expect market processes to solve a lot of these problems, where | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
far too many restrictions are placed on developers. We are suspect to | :41:57. | :42:05. | |
unit mixers... You think it is too restrictive for those who want to | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
develop? I agree that the housing market is broken. But when you see | :42:11. | :42:18. | |
St Ives saying we will not sell new bills to out-of-towners or Jersey | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
saying, we have to stay here ten years before you get to buy a place | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
in Jersey, is that the right cure? No. That is an intervention. They | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
are the same problems facing parts of London were the same problems | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
face St Ives, that school teachers or policemen or restaurant owners | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
cannot afford to stay in parts of London which have come by to forget. | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
The market has distorted the way that we live in large parts of the | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
capital and other cities. This is all over the UK. The Lake District, | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
the Cotswolds, anywhere where there are beautiful second home villages, | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
should they all do this? There are two ways of welcoming foreign | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
investment. Some of it is bringing in money to invest build to rent and | :43:07. | :43:13. | |
another lot is bringing in for second homes which are also use, | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
they are still useful, because they are global and reporters who have | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
their second home to do business. When he says it is too restrictive, | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
too confining for developers or building, what is your sense? | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
Through my experience of activism around London, working with | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
different residents and different estates across London, I have | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
noticed that there are restrictions put on developers and they are still | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
managing to bypass them. They are not building enough affordable | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
housing and they are using loopholes to invest in minute amounts of money | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
into the community. I don't understand how taking away | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
restrictions would make this issue any better. What would you do? Just | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
a discussion with some of the colleagues on before, a lot of | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
younger people, professionals wanting to buy and I was asking one | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
of the colleagues, what kind of size of apartment would you be willing to | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
buy? What was sufficient to get onto the housing ladder and she said she | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
would go for something smaller but she said the restrictions are much | :44:25. | :44:32. | |
more. There are minimum sizes. Is that the answer, something very | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
small but gives you the sense of ownership, is about more important | :44:37. | :44:38. | |
than space or size and renting? We are now in such dire straits that | :44:39. | :44:50. | |
it is not about people wanting to own their own home but just people | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
need somewhere to live and call home. Home does not mean you have to | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
own it, it is a place that gives you security and a sense of belonging | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
and gives you a sense of identity. A lot of people would happily rent as | :45:07. | :45:13. | |
long as there was enough guidelines. I agree and I think rent | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
accommodation should be similar. What we build is as important as how | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
much. We all agree we need to build more. In 1970 we built almost | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
400,000 homes and Bert down to less than 200,000 now which is crazy. But | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
the culture has been to encourage people to increase their wealth, | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
through property ownership. Is that there and should we treat property | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
in the same way you might invest in... It is how we live rather than | :45:44. | :45:52. | |
how we afford our pensions. And this is a chance we have with this. I | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
think there's too much on ownership as a retirement savings vehicle. I | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
think many owners, there is a focus on the idea on people wanting to | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
make money from housing and ideological and that is why we are | :46:09. | :46:10. | |
in this mess because people are making money from the housing | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
crisis. So when I read what the government... Is that unethical? | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
Profit and loss is absolutely necessary as a signal as to whether | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
investment is efficient or inefficient and actually using more | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
resources than it delivers. But London is being wrecked by the way | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
private developers are forced to carry on the burden of those things | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
the state has stepped back from. Love high-rises around Battersea and | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
they're expected to play things that they should not. Add creates an area | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
which in ten years will be one of the slums that we are going to | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
regret. So at this point would you say Blunden should have the same | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
attitude to foreign investment whether it is rich Chinese business | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
people buying stuff in central London, should this city say no. The | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
history of planning shows the unintended consequences follow from | :47:10. | :47:16. | |
attempts to do things in a big way. We need to be careful what we do. | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
Too often we go for the quick solution. With the areas of the UK | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
boy slums have been demolished and rebuilt three times in one lifetime. | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
The political timescale is just too fast to deal with this. I have been | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
homeless myself with my family and to hear about housing being | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
discussed in such market terms does not sit well with me. It is a basic | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
human right. I am in contact with people who do not have places to | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
live, teachers, TfL workers, people who make this city work and make the | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
UK work and they do not have somewhere to live. So to discuss it | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
in terms of market and economy, it just misses the point of the kind of | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
issues we are seeing in the UK at the moment. That is the problem | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
precisely, I'm with you and my headline is housing for everyone and | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
more affordable housing. There are a number of policies which are | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
intuitively sensible which prevent this. We should think outside the | :48:25. | :48:33. | |
box and we need to think about economics. If we are thinking out of | :48:34. | :48:41. | |
the box, what is the thing for housing, the driverless cars, if you | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
like? Understanding what is going to be like in 30 or 40 years' time and | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
building things that actually last rather than be discarded in 20 | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
years. And this discussion will be carried on life on Facebook. You can | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
join us as soon as we come off air on the BBC Newsnight Facebook page. | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
We leave you with one final take on housing, | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
this one from 1962 and folk singer Pete Seeger. | :49:10. | :49:11. | |
# They're all made out of ticky-tacky. | :49:12. | :49:24. | |
# There's a green one and a pink one. | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
# They're all made out of ticky-tacky. | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
# They're all made out of ticky-tacky. | :49:36. | :49:57. | |
Good evening to you. It is going to be turning colder over the next few | :49:58. | :50:11. | |
days. Not everywhere, | :50:12. | :50:12. |