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Is the answer when it is in a party manifesto?

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As Philip Hammond is attacked from all sides for raising

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National Insurance, will this become Theresa May's big issue of trust?

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David Cameron's former Director of Communications

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He can explain to people, here is a path I took and this

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is why it is not a breach of a manifesto promise.

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The problem with that, as you are asking me

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and as you should rightly ask him and other members of the

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government, is people perceive this to be a breach.

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We'll be discussing making and breaking political promises.

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Also tonight, we discuss Isabelle Huppert and Paul Verhoeven's Golden

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Globe-winning thriller, Elle, and its complex portrayal

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of one woman's response to the most horrific rape.

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Can cinema take us to dark places where accepted views

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on rape are challenged through the character of a woman

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Three words freighted with probity and trust.

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But, after anything but an explosive budget, a firecracker blew up

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in the Chancellor's face today over the issue of a promise.

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The question being, why does the government deny

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breaking a manifesto pledge on National Insurance when the 2015

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election manifesto clearly said there would be no increase

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in National Insurance for the five years of an incoming

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Is it ever right to to promise one thing and do another?

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The Chancellor has raised the hackles of the right-wing press,

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Tory backbenchers of many stripes, and the opposition alike.

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Theresa May is in Brussels tonight where, at a press conference,

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probably for the first time in her life, she was hoping

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for questions about Brexit, but was pressed on this instead.

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I'm joined by our political editor, Nick Watt.

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What did she had to say about National Insurance?

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She is standing by the fundamental principle of this budget change

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which is that the self-employed should pay more in national

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insurance contributions because now they are able to benefit from the

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new state pension. She also bought herself time because legislation to

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implement think these changes is not going to be introduced until the

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autumn and I am hearing the first signs of how they are going to

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soften the impact of this National Insurance rise, by waiting until the

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autumn, the Chancellor will give himself the option of implementing

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some of the recommendations in the report by the former Tony Blair at

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Downing Street adviser Matthew Taylor. That could see maternity and

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paternity rights extended to the self employed and that would be

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very, very expensive. As I understand it, Philip Hammond is

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watching this very carefully because what he is concerned about is the

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revenue he has raised this week could be wiped out by that change.

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All this for that. Possible we could be seeing the first signs of not

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such a great relationship between numbers ten and 11? Theresa May and

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Philip Hammond made great play of the pack they want to restore the

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traditional relationship between Prime Minister and Chancellor and I

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can now confirm we have the traditional tensions between a Prime

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Minister who wants to spend and a Chancellor who wants to restrain

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public spending. And I am hearing the sound of complaints from the

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Treasury, firstly that number ten, I'm told, just want to spend money.

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Important visit the Chancellor did cough up on schools and social care.

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Secondly complaints that some senior political advisers around the Prime

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Minister have what are described as anti-Tory ideas about raising taxes.

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I'm told Philip Hammond had his work cut out battling against pressure to

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raise capital gains tax and, wait for it, increasing the national

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insurance contributions proposed this week to an even higher level

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for higher rate taxpayers. It has been a pretty bumpy response to the

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budget for the Chancellor so we thought we would take a look at the

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pressures on him. There have been too many

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in the last few years, too many Broken promises can be

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lethal for politicians. Look what happened

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to my namesake when the Liberal Democrat policy

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on tuition fees collided with the harsh reality

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of coalition government. And now Philip Hammond, the man

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who hoped to forge a duller and less glitzy era in the Treasury,

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and who would never be seen dead doing a stunt

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like this, has been caught out Make no mistake, they

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are feeling pain in the Treasury today as

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the right-wing press savages the Chancellor for breaking

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that general election pledge One source familiar with

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the thinking in numbers ten and 11 Downing St told me,

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this is all about trust. This troubled Budget will be

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remembered as the first self-inflicted wound

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of this government. And so far, nearly 20 Tory MPs,

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including the Wales Office Minister Guto Bebb, have

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questioned the change. It won't have the

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support from people We need to get out there

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and support entrepreneurs. As I say, they are the

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backbone of this economy. They are taking risks,

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opening small businesses, employing those apprentices, giving

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young people a chance. We have done for seven years and I'm

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going to make sure we My Whitehall source admitted

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that the government had slipped up by appearing

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to target white van man. In fact, the changes

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were aimed at catching out what are described as spivs

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and dodgy accountants. I think this is an interesting

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cultural economic moment, where the Conservative Party, which has long

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revelled in the impression that it was the party of enterprise and

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small entrepreneurs, has shown it There will be an opportunity

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in politics for other parties to make

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a pitch for these voters. The Chancellor is

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reluctant to back down. He needs the ?2 billion

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the changes will generate This evening, Theresa May pointed

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to a way out, using a review by a former Labour Downing Street

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official to soften the tax rises. What we are likely to see

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from the government is probably what they should have done

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when they first made this announcement yesterday,

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which is to set it much more in a broader context of

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looking at the whole picture of taxation for the self

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employed, which would be about the national insurance that

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firms pay when they employ people and use

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self-employed workers, not just that paid directly

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by the self-employed, and set it in the context of giving

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the self employed more benefit entitlements,

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like an maternity pay, and more support with things

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like pension savings. That overall package of support

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and slightly higher taxes is probably what we will see

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from the government in the coming months,

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and that's a good thing. If he emerges unscathed,

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Philip Hammond may reflect, he is the victim of a style

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of politics he hoped to end. That was the habit of George Osborne

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and Gordon Brown to lay traps for their

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political opponents. It was George Osborne who outlined

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the tax lock at the last No increases in VAT,

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National Insurance contributions, or This was a political trap,

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the so-called tax lock, to try and catch Labour out,

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but actually it has ended up catching out the Tories

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and they have fallen Probably the best comparison

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for Gordon with the 2015 Budget was Gordon's 2001

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pre-election budget, where he framed the election question as more

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investment, not less, and he invited the Conservative Party

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to oppose his spending plans. The difference was that Gordon

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was almost certain to be back in Downing Street

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after that election, so he could only make commitments

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like that if he was certain that he could

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deliver on them. The difference with George Osborne

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was that he probably wasn't ever expecting to be back

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in Downing Street to have to implement this tax guarantee,

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which made him far more reckless than he otherwise

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would have been. Who would have thought that such

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a steady Chancellor would find his budget being

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buffeted in the wind? Perhaps spreadsheet Phil is looking

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back wistfully at his The man who was at David Cameron's

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shoulder when the Conservative manifesto for the 2015 election

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was written and pledges made, was his Director of Communications,

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Craig Oliver. You have been literally in the thick

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of this before. In terms of manifesto pledges and commitments

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and so forth. Looking at this, the Chancellor insisted this is not the

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break of a manifesto but is it or not? The issue is, do people

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perceive it to be. The reality is that most people perceive this to be

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the breaking of our pledge. Would it have been better if he had just

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said, I'm breaking a manifesto promise, I'm going to raise class

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for national insurance because circumstances have changed since

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2015? Philip Hammond as a defender and I believe he is sincere in that

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and thinks that he is in a position where he can explain to people, here

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is a path I took and it is why it is not a breach of a manifesto promise.

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The problem with that, as you are asking me and as you should rightly

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ask him and other members of the government, is people perceive this

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to be a breach. They feel that when they looked specifically at what was

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written, you have breached that. The problem again with that if people

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start asking questions, can we trust you, are you being legalistic,

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dancing on the head of it was a ludicrous pledge to say that over

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the whole lifetime of the next government there would be no

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increases in VAT, national insurance for income tax? I don't think it is

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but once a political party has made that pledge and got into government

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you end up in a difficult decision if you are perceived to have broken

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that. David Cameron was always clear on this that when you made a pledge,

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you should not go back on it. He was constantly lobbied on international

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aid or the triple lock for pensioners by people saying, look at

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all this money we could take it we went back on this and he said, but

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I've made a promise to the poorest people and pensioners and what would

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people say if I went back on that? He knew he would reap the whirlwind

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if he broke those pledges. If you were advising Philip Hammond what

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would you advise on to say? The most interesting question is, do you

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actually intend to stick with this having delivered it in the budget?

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If you are going to and you are sure you will, you have to defend the

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decision you have taken an explain it. Having said that, the great

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difficulty for him, the sheer fact we are doing this interview, is that

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the entire perception of anybody looking at this is that you have

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broken a pledge. I can see how people in government, when they are

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balancing a lot of things, also moving parts, they get themselves

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into a position where they persuade themselves that is dependable. Not

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only was it called a pledge, David Cameron called it a Balliu, almost

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it had a religious significance that they would be no tax rises so in

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that regard it was very serious -- called it a value. When the decision

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was taken to make this pledge, people thought through that this was

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something that had to be defendable and people would be voting for them

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on it. When that decision was made, it was done very seriously. If you

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are the current government, you can say that actually the reality is

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there are different people running number ten and number 11. I suspect

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Philip Hammond actually thinks he was not explicit on this very

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specific area and technicality. In political broad terms, you can

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lampoon that and say it is ridiculous and a breach of trust but

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I can see how people can get themselves into that position but

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the problem is you have to be able to have people coming in late in the

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day and say, how will this look? Thank you very much. We did ask to

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speak to someone from the government tonight but nobody was available.

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The Sun newspaper has been fiercely critical of the budget, and I'm now

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joined by their political editor, Tom Newton Dunn.

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Also, Polly Mackenzie, who worked for Nick Clegg and is no

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stranger to the fallout of broken promises.

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Good evening. First of all, how damaging is this for the government?

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Having a broken promise can be enormously damaging to a political

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party but the truth is that Philip Hammond and Theresa May don't think

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of this as their manifesto, it is George Osborne's. They don't want to

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put it out because they put it undermines the legitimacy and feels

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they might have to call an election but said conduct have change and

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environment have changed and if they own the truth which is that they

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have defied the manifesto and make the case for this is not being...

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And a bonkers idea in the first place? The triple lock? Absolutely.

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It is George Osborne's political positioning and he is not exactly

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the most popular person in the country. Call it his manifesto and

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start talking about the fact that the Prime Minister, who is much more

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popular, doesn't want to be limited by the political promises of her

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predecessor who basically has moved on. The Sun newspaper said fight ban

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scam. You are going to make sure it is damaging for the government. Very

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much so, until the government decide they are not going to damage

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themselves any longer. Theresa May seem to be starting some kind of

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climb-down tonight, a recalibration. The truth is this will never get on

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the statute books and we knew that from about half past eight this

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morning when the first Tory MP said on the radio that they would vote

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against it. They were joined by about 30 others so this will not go

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ahead. What we will see if this play out over the summer, how they craft

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some travel package together to make it look like they are not doing a

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U-turn but they are. You take the view that actually gives government

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should not be tied up by a manifesto from 2015 or does it require another

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election? The entire government are all Tory

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MPs getting themselves elected with the same problem. I am afraid that

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they have to stick to this. Theresa May will say, huge amounts have

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changed, different economy, different membership of the European

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Union or not, so I can do something different. I have some sympathy for

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Philip Hammond in that he has been immensely boxed in by all sorts of

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clever gimmicks and promises made by George Osborne very successfully. It

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destroyed the Lib Dems. They won the general election and they destroyed

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Labour. Then they had to go on and govern with this incredible

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ring-fencing on pensions, the lot of it. The manifesto also commits us to

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staying in the single market. No Tory backbenchers are upset about

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that. We have an entirely new government setting out a new agenda.

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One of the key things that key things that Craig Oliver talked

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about was the foreign aid, which is deeply unpopular in some sectors.

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Many people want that shifted to social care. I doubt that Philip

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Hammond will tamper with foreign aid. Do you think he might unravel

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other parts of the manifesto in successive budgets? I don't think

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they are going to make a priority of bringing a free vote on fox hunting.

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Manifestos are filled with promises. The last manifesto was 25,000 words.

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Probably only about 15 words from the Liberal Democrat one! There are

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endless subclauses. So why have them? The voters must be going, what

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is the point of a manifesto? It's all very well for you to say, they

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don't read it, but the manifesto is meant to set out what the government

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believes in. Brilliant, that means we can stay in the single market.

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It's a promise, you say, this is what we are going to do, vote for us

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and then we do it whether you believe it or not, you have to go

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out of your way to do it, especially when these Sun readers vote for you

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would it not dead, you can't turn round and say, no thanks. He is in a

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terrible mess and we have sympathy. The other thing we will see if the

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triple lock promised on pensions. The spending on the triple lock and

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protecting Gray 's spending OAPs is astronomical, about ?78 billion,

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which puts all of these 3 billion here and there on national insurance

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rises into a small corner. Philip Hammond has bravely, I think,

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already said, we need to look at this. Whether they will be able to

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do it in time before the next election, it would be politically

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toxic. But if pensioners agree that they want to undertake the triple

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lock, they are not complaining about the manifesto. It becomes a badge of

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honour to say you are complaining about the manifesto when actually it

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is just a policy that you don't like.

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Tom Newton Dunn and Polly Mackenzie are staying with us because,

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alongside the farrago of the manifesto pledge

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was the revelation that Philip Hammond's predecessor

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is making good use of the economic and political acumen he gathered

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when he was at number 11 Downing Street.

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George Osborne declared an annual salary of ?650,000 for four days

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work a month from the world's biggest fund management

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It will augment his backbencher's salary of ?74,000, and speaking

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engagements which bring in north of half a million.

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He's certainly not the only former senior politician

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to purse a lucrative life - Tony Blair owns the playbook.

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But is all this good for politics or bad?

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Do we need to talk about the revolving door?

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People moving back and forth between government and the private sector.

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George Osborne, the former Chancellor, is, we learn,

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being paid ?650,000 per year to advise BlackRock,

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an investment manager, for four days of work each month.

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I think George Osborne would bring a wealth of knowledge

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Having been the Chancellor of the Exchequer of this country.

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He would also bring very good contacts around

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the world in governments and the private sector.

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The knowledge and the contacts that somebody like George Osborne

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would have accumulated over his tenure are very

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valuable for a period of about three to five years.

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There is a Whitehall process for approving these things,

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the advisory committee on business appointments, Acoba.

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Acoba approved Mr Osborne's plans, and they've barred him

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But lots of people who have been through Acoba don't

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Acoba is this slightly eccentric body where,

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when you leave government having been in a senior job,

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you have to get their permission in theory before you take

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If you disobey them, there is literally nothing

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It's hidden, you don't really understand how it works.

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They don't unfortunately give you straight answers

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to straight questions so, when I went through the process,

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I asked them, would I be able to come in and see government

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They will not answer questions of that sort.

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Which covers their back because, if you put your foot in it,

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they will be able to say you broke the rules.

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But you're never really told quite what the rules are.

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The voluntary nature of Acoba is a particular problem.

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48 senior special advisers have left government since December 2014,

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but there are published Acoba approvals for just 14.

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Jobs are not the only part of an ex-minister's life

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Today we learned Gordon Brown is releasing a memoir.

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Perhaps surprisingly, there is actually a rule book that

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governs what ex-ministers are allowed to put

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into their memoirs, the so-called Radcliffe rules.

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They can really be boiled down to three principles.

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The first is, don't publish anything that damages national security.

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The second principle is, don't publish anything that

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would damage our relations with other states.

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The third principle, though, is a bit odder.

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It states that ex-ministers shouldn't criticise any of the civil

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In fact, they also state that ministers shouldn't even name

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civil servants who gave them specific advice.

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In short, the Radcliffe rules basically get in the way

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of ex-ministers scrutinising their former departments.

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This country does have a revolving door problem in a variety

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of sectors, but we should worry as much about middle

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ranking officials who slip into the companies they are supposed

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to be regulating as we do about ex-ministers.

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And we're back with Tom Newton Dunn and Polly Mackenzie.

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Tom, is there anything wrong with a man who was Chancellor less than a

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year ago, who is still an MP, working for the biggest fund manager

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in the world and getting a lot of money for four days of work? That is

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a loaded question! Look, it stinks totally. George Osborne will make

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the argument that immersing himself in what he would call the real

:22:46.:22:49.

world, actual business, decision-making and hedge funds is,

:22:50.:22:54.

informs his ability as an MP to contribute to the public debate.

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Personally, I think by simply accepting a ?650,000 per year job

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for four days a month, ?30,000 per day, what he is saying is, I now

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know I will never be Prime Minister, because nobody would accept him with

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something like that. If it brings some expertise to his field, I would

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not want to stop it. It is not exactly a new issue. Ever since big

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business, MPs, prime ministers, chancellors have all gone into the

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private sector. Yes, but I think it's different once you have left

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government and parliament and you are just a private citizen. What is

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strange about this for me is George Osborne's priorities. He's got a

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constituency to represent, a job to do, and he is prioritising jetting

:23:42.:23:45.

around the world, receiving awards from the Americans, earning ?13,500

:23:46.:23:52.

per day. For me, it is about the principle of having a job in

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Parliament and the juicy details. Wood he did say that this week is

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not a bad snapshot of my life. On Monday, I was in New York accepting

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a Kissinger Fellowship. On Wednesday, I was in the Commons

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speaking about Europe Nato, you can join me in Knutsford in my

:24:10.:24:14.

constituency. This seems a very quick to spend my time and hopefully

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make a contribution to our national life. Fair to say that George

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Osborne believes passionately in this northern partnership and, if

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you can bring money from whoever, that is good, isn't it? He has a

:24:30.:24:33.

great lifestyle, but it is all about him and not really about its

:24:34.:24:36.

constituents. But he would accept that there is life after parliament

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but not, as far as you are concerned one they are still getting an MP

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salary. It is about time. If you are an MP and you want to spend an

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afternoon earning ?13,000 to be not being there, doing something else

:24:52.:24:55.

with relevance to being an MP, fine. If you are spending four and a half

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days jetting to New York, giving speeches in Berlin and then in some

:25:00.:25:03.

hedge funds of this in the city, is wrong. You should be looking after

:25:04.:25:07.

your constituents. What about the argument that a lot of people in

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parliament could earn a lot more money outside but they choose to

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deny themselves a bigger salary than 78,000, so it is acceptable when you

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leave office to augment that salary, and that is the way you get a flow

:25:20.:25:24.

of people into Parliament with greater ambition? You only allow a

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new flow of people if you allow the bed blockers, those who have been

:25:31.:25:35.

Cabinet ministers, to get out of the way. You don't catch people on

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?78,000. Look at some of the talent in parliament and you think, we

:25:41.:25:44.

could probably do better than that. I would probably take a close look

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at how much time they are spending in the building doing the job they

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are elected to do. They need performance related pay.

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Time now for Viewsnight, the part of the programme that actively seeks

:25:54.:25:56.

argument and dissent, often from surprising places.

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So today, when the latest Ipsos Mori STV poll puts support

:25:59.:26:01.

for Scottish independence at 50%, and Nicola Sturgeon talks

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about the commonsense timing of another independence referendum,

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here's Richard Dawkins's trenchant view of plebiscites.

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Watch this space for more Brexit views.

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French actress Isabelle Huppert received her first Oscar nomination

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this year for a film that, according to Huppert herself,

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The controversy around Elle - which won two Golden Globes

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and which opens tomorrow - centres on a horrifically violent

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attack and vicious rape which is revisited graphically

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during the film, along with further sexual attacks,

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and the unusual and shocking way that the woman who is

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Elle is the explosive result of the collaboration

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between the fearless, often transgressive actress

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and the Dutch director Paul Verhoeven, he of Basic Instinct

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The thriller-cum-black comedy tests the viewer to the limits.

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In a moment, we'll be discussing whether such

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a narrative is anti-feminist, or whether we need to accept

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a complex, often unpalatable truth that, for some,

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extreme violence is part and parcel of sex.

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But first - spoiler alert - here are some scenes from the film,

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Michele Leblanc starts to track down her attacker

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but doesn't go to the police, mainly because of the notoriety

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Her father was a psychopath who killed more than 20 people

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and who was unmasked when Michele was just ten years old.

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As the film unfolds, we have the unsettling

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sense that she could be luring her attacker to identify

:30:00.:30:01.

him or to kill him - or because, in some way,

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she is intrigued, even turned on by him.

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Well, Newsnight took two women to watch the film -

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Polly Neate, chief executive of the group Womens' Aid,

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Good evening. Is it important to have such a complex expression of

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rape as this and the impact of it? I think it is important to show how

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Watmore Neumann -- how one woman's life is completely framed every

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angle by male violence. Her father, her lover, by male violence and

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entitlement, her lover does not take no for an answer albeit in not in a

:30:57.:31:00.

physically violent way, and she is raped. But the extreme complexity of

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her life means it's very difficult to generalise from her reaction to

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what is an horrific assault. Ahead of it there is such controversy and

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yet it is important to have a complex view of rape. That is true,

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and it is conceded that she grew up with this violent father, but I felt

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very much it was an act of bad faith. All this effort put into

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creating the female character who wanted to be raped. That is quite an

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extreme position. Not really, because if you look at the structure

:31:41.:31:43.

of the film, and I allowed to spoil it? You can take a couple of things.

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She seeks out the situation in which she is going to be raped because she

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knows in the rapist is and she gets into the situation with the rapist.

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The creative drive is, this person, we have gone to a very deliberated

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place where this person for this reason and this reason wants to be

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the victim of rape. That may be your interpretation but the point surely

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is that what we have is an expression of damage in many ways

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and the idea that we should not just see a woman who has been raped as a

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victim. This is about an attempt to take some kind of control. I felt

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the film to a very great extent was about control. Talking about her

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being assailed by male violence at every... Even in her own business

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where she is the boss, her much more junior and younger male employees

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are still abusing her and harassing her. I don't agree it is an

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empowering narrative. It is exploitative of the viewer, it

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basically takes all your human empathy, your understanding, the way

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you would say, nobody has a right to legislate for the way another woman

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feels, nobody has the right to get another woman is feeling to it takes

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your sensibilities and uses them to submit you to repeated acts of

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sexual violence against a woman. I felt that the main character and all

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the women in the film actually, what they are exhibited towards the male

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characters was this mix of incredible frustration, anger and a

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level of disdain. I felt what it showed was a really toxic society in

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which male violence and entitlement on the one hand... Can accept, even

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the idea, she was looking for it, which is some of the narrative is

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you get, rather you might say that for some people clearly violent sex

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is a turn on. Sure, I have no problem with that is the premise for

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a film, no problem with the exploration of a character's

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sexuality as the premise for anything but I think this was used

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instrumentally... For gods you have somebody raped and repeatedly in

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flashbacks every five minutes and then again by the same person three

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more times so of course it was gratuitous. But she is imagining

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different outcomes and I think that is quite interesting, and she will

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be able to attack him back. I felt she was struggling for some control

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and an opportunity to attack him back. I'm sure it was ever realistic

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that would happen and I felt -- I'm not sure. I felt it painted a

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society where there was a veneer of wealth, style, that Parisian

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elegance but within that still male violence... To be fair, Isabella

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Bird said she read the book and wanted it to be put on film and

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wanted to do it -- Isabelle Huppert. Does it tell the viewer something

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about the possibilities of a real life rape situation? I don't think

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you can generalise anything from the reaction to rape of any woman, any

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single woman and particularly of somebody with the level of trauma...

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Isn't that exactly the point? You are invited into this territory

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where your own ecumenical sense of everybody having a right to the own

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response did leverage against it in a moral relativism. We are not

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allowed to say, yet again the brutalising of the woman is used...

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Do you think it is antifeminist? Could have been a comedy of manners,

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it didn't brag but it did not have much momentum and there were times

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when I thought, this could go on all week. -- it didn't drag. I thought

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the rape was being used as a way of forcing the plot forward. It didn't

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drag for me, I did find it quite disturbing and I was quite chilled

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by it. I felt it portrayed a very complex reaction to a society in

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which the one hand you are assailed by male violence and entitlement and

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on the other hand women are in a state of anger and almost disdain

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towards men. Where do we from there? Thank you very much indeed.

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The painter Howard Hodgkin, who died today at the age of 84,

:36:39.:36:41.

was described by the late Seamus Heaney as "the force that

:36:42.:36:44.

through the green fuse drives the flower" -

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In his very English way, Sir Howard suffered for his art.

:36:47.:36:50.

His emotions were extraordinarily close to the surface, and his vivid,

:36:51.:36:52.

seemingly abstract paintings were attempts to capture

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He won the Turner Prize and his works could sell

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But he always insisted that he hated painting.

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Sir Howard, who was 84, gave one of his last interviews

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to our Culture Editor, Stephen Smith, who looks back

:37:08.:37:09.

The artist who suffers for his work is a well worn trope

:37:10.:37:22.

but Sir Howard Hodgkin gave it a dryly humorous gloss.

:37:23.:37:26.

Surely such vivid and life affirming paintings as his

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I hate the act of painting, I always have done.

:37:30.:37:42.

People have said to me so often, amateur painters, aren't you lucky

:37:43.:37:45.

I may be lucky with the result but having to go through the horrors

:37:46.:38:03.

of painting a picture is not something I ever look forward to.

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His canvases, or rather boards, sometimes brooded over for years,

:38:26.:38:28.

were attempts to capture emotions he felt in certain places and times.

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Good luck getting him to explain further.

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If I had the temerity to ask you what prompted that

:38:38.:38:41.

picture, you would give me an old-fashioned look essentially.

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India held great fascination for Hodgkin and was a big

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The impressions were stored up and dwelt on back in the studio,

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a converted dairy opposite the British Museum in London.

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And there are lots of walls for me to stare at and...

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Our viewers shouldn't get the impression that you're staring

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at them bereft of inspiration, quite the reverse, is that right?

:39:22.:39:27.

Absolutely right, and it's simply so that I can continually readjust

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I used to make drawings, do all sorts of obvious things.

:39:31.:39:47.

And now I just get in there and do it, partly because I can feel time's

:39:48.:39:53.

winged chariot behind me all the time.

:39:54.:40:01.

It's been a great plus knowing that my days are numbered but...

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Many of us suffer a deterioration of our eyesight as we get older.

:40:08.:40:21.

That's of course particularly troubling for a painter,

:40:22.:40:23.

I've been completely spared it but I think that other things have

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Is that a fair exchange, would you say?

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Sir Howard Hodgkin, whose death was announced today.

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Just before we go, what do you get if you cross the French

:41:02.:41:04.

urban sport of Parkour and the iconic opening scene

:41:05.:41:06.

The Scottish freerunner Robbie Griffith decided to find out.

:41:07.:41:10.

Choose good health, low cholesterol and personal well-being.

:41:11.:41:26.

Choose an invigorated sense of self-worth.

:41:27.:41:28.

Choose to defy Newton's laws of motion.

:41:29.:41:36.

Choose to be breathless, tackling the obstacles

:41:37.:41:37.

Choose to travel, explore, creating experiences.

:41:38.:41:44.

Choose a mind-stimulating, physically strengthening pursuit

:41:45.:41:46.

that gets your heart pumping like never before.

:41:47.:42:11.

We saw spring sunshine across many parts of the country on Thursday.

:42:12.:42:16.

Friday brings us rather more cloud, but many places staying dry.

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