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Election 2017 Special

With reaction to Prime Minister Theresa May's election announcement, Evan Davis is in London and Emily Maitlis is in Edinburgh, and Chris Cook looks at the election battlegrounds.


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You're joking? Another one! That the government should call a general

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election. It's too much. The 8th of June. I can't really see the reason

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why... To secure the strong and stable leadership the country needs.

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For God's sake, I can't... I honestly can't stand it.

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For the Prime Minister, it has a kind of impeccable

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fix the majority while the sun is shining.

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She might need those extra seats if the rain falls

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She's gambling on a bigger win than David Cameron achieved last

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time, and the polls make that look a good bet for her.

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But for some in the country I suspect the feeling will be,

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if the sun is shining we should be out barbecuing, rather

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Even Westminster professionals, who normally love elections, must be

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feeling punch drunk - are we to have momentous

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national votes every year, as we've been doing since 2014?

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We have an extended programme tonight -

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we'll join Emily in Edinburgh later on, and we'll hear from

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But this could be a strange one: there are to be no TV debates,

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Also we have hugely important local elections

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And above all, the main parties are in Brexit-related

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Let's start with Nick Watt, our political editor.

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You will probably be seen a lot more of him over the next six weeks.

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Well, well, well. Where did that come from? Until recently all the

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signals from number ten word that the Prime Minister was adamant there

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should be no early general election. One Cabinet minister told me she

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thought it would be destabilising for the Brexit process. But I

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understand that in recent months a number of senior ministers, led

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notably by Philip Hammond and David Davis, said we respect what the

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Prime Minister is saying but don't close off your options, because it

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may well be that the most stabilising thing to do is hold the

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early general election. David Davis has been saying in private since

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Christmas that unless there was an early general election he would face

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trench warfare in the House of Lords with his early Brexit legislation.

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Interestingly as far back as July David Davis was heard saying in his

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inner circle he did not see how Brexit could be achieved without an

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early general election. OK, Nick. So any indications as to what sort of

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campaign Theresa May hopes to fight? The Prime Minister has secured the

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services of Lynton Crosby -- Sir Lynton Crosby, the pollster and

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political strategist who was rewarded with a knife

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-- rewarded with a knighthood by David Cameron. The choice on Brexit

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will be between certainty from the Torres and uncertainty from a

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hodgepodge of other parties, but this minister said to me there is

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one big difference, Jeremy Corbyn is a much better target for the

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Conservatives than Ed Miliband ever was. So, look, Evan, it's been

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another dramatic day in this still young Premiership.

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Over the quiet holiday period, Theresa May was busy hatching and

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Easter surprise. Only a handful of ministers and close aides were let

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in on the secret overnight, which was finally revealed after the media

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were unexpectedly summoned to Downing Street. It was with

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reluctance that I decided the country needs this election, but it

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is with strong conviction that I say it is necessary to secure the strong

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and stable leadership the country needs to see us through Brexit and

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beyond. Today's announcement amounted to the biggest U-turn by

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Theresa May, who had definitively rolled out an early election from

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the moment she stood for the Tory leadership. Under you, is it

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absolutely certain we will not see an election before 2020? I'm not

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going to be calling a snap election. I've been very clear that I think we

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need that period of time, that ability, to be able to deal with the

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issues the country is facing and have that election in 2020. The

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Prime Minister, who takes great pride in sticking to her word,

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darted to have a rethink as she started to embark on the Article 50

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process. She thought her in tire Brexit strategy could become gummed

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up in parliamentary wrangles after Lib Dem leader Tim Farron talked

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about using his sizeable contingent of peers to grind business to a

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halt. One minister also told me that a big mandate could strengthen the

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Prime Minister's and in Brussels negotiations and sideline hardline

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Brexiteers and hardline Remainers back home. Perish the thought that

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the strong poll lead was anywhere in the Prime Minister's Mind. I think

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she has made an entirely cynical calculation that between now and

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2020, now gives her the best chance of having a win. What she doesn't

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seem to be worried about, and denying she would do it, is throwing

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the whole Brexit process and our future as a country into uncertainty

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while we have that general election. Theresa May, who finally made up her

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mind during a walking holiday with her husband in Snowdonia, is

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sensitive to the charge that she is acting in her own, rather than the

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national, interests. Supporters were at pains to stress that the Prime

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Minister would never stoop so low. I really do think that the Prime

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Minister is governed by the national interests, and certainly that has

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been my experience of working with her. I think she would have very

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reluctantly taken the decision to call a general election. As she

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herself said, she didn't want to call this general election. It is of

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course rather handy that the national interest tallies with the

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Prime Minister's. It strengthens her hand because she will have the

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direct endorsement of the British people in an election and she would

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get an enhanced parliamentary majority to achieve that. One

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leading Tory Brexiteer believes the Prime Minister was left with no

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choice. At the moment what you have is Labour effectively threatening to

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hijack the final deal, the Lib Dems want a second referendum and have

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100 unelected members of the House of Lords who want to effectively

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gridlock this place, that is her threat -- their threat. The Scottish

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separatists have their own agenda. It is her reflection on how she's

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going to conduct these negotiations. And to eyeball the other side and

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say look, I can deliver this. Jeremy Corbyn's poor showing in opinion

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polls has prompted nerves among MPs that the party could face its worst

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ever election result in the post-war period. One minister told me Theresa

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May could close Central office and still win a landslide. We are in

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politics to change the way that our society works, to make it fairer and

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more socially sustainable for everybody. Those are arguments that

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we have had at every general election, regardless of who is the

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leader, and it is that argument that we have to get across. Jeremy will

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do it in his way, I will do it in my way. After her message, she was

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received enthusiastically to night. It's a general election, watch out,

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one former minister said. We were not meant to have

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an election until the 7th May 2020. That Act was meant to take

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the decision out of the hands It didn't work so well

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on that score. On the other hand,

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we have seen something That she is more of a tactician

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than she publicly likes to admit. Well, I sat down a little earlier

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with the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd. I began by asking her when she found

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out there would be a snap election. This morning, so after the Queen

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but before the rest of the Cabinet. Before the rest of the country,

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not before the rest of the Cabinet, or did you learn before the rest

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of the Cabinet? I learned before the rest

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of the Cabinet and then she set it And was there any dissent

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or debate in Cabinet, "We're going to have

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an election, that's that"? It's the Prime Minister's

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decision, isn't it, whether Well, no, because we have the fixed

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Parliament act, to stop... And indeed it is her decision

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to call the general election but it is up to the MPs tomorrow

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to decide whether that should go through or not,

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and we need two thirds then. But actually the answer

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to your question is, no, there was no dissent,

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a lot of people were surprised as well, but she had the unanimous

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support of Cabinet members. What would you say to those

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members of the public, and they may be a minority,

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who say, "We have voted in a referendum last year,

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an election in the year before, you've got a majority,

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just get on with it!" "Don't come back to us for another

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say, you should just Well, I would urge them to listen

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to the statement the Prime Minister made and perhaps the arguments

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the rest of us are setting out. She's been very clear why

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she has called this. The fact is, if we can have a strong

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negotiating hand as we go incredibly important EU negotiation,

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it will improve her opportunity to get

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a good deal for the UK. But this is a matter

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of trust, isn't it? "There will not be

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a general election". She could have said,

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"Read my lips", but she didn't. She must have anticipated

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we were going to have a negotiation with the EU, she must have

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anticipated there would be the odd bit of dissent

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in the House of Lords... It's a perfectly fair point to make

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but the fact is the Prime Minister did address that argument,

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she did say, "I've come to this reluctantly and these

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are the reasons why". She hasn't been coy

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about hiding behind that. How can we trust her on other things

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that she's said, if she's so willing to change her mind on things

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on which she has been And then she will just

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pop up and say, OK, How could we trust her on, say,

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the pledge to reduce, which she has repeated recently,

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the pledge to reduce immigration Well, I would say,

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listen to the arguments. She has taken head-on that criticism

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in the speech that she made earlier today and we will be hearing more

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about it today. It is about the fact that we are now

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entering into this negotiation. There is no better time, really,

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to make sure that the Prime Minister We have always known

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that she wanted a strong hand. I do accept that it has been

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premeditated, as you're suggesting. I accept the fact that she has

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come to this reluctantly after thinking about it recently,

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and made this decision. She has been very candid about that

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and she has a reputation for taking her time to consider

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things and then making a decision. She has a reputation for being

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straight with the people... She took her time, she made

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a decision, and when the polls turned in her favour,

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decisively in her favour, And the public will have

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an opportunity to decide whether they see it like that

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in approximately 50 days. I asked you how we could

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trust her on other Can we trust her that immigration

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will come down to tens of thousands? The manifesto, if that's

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what you're asking about, We will be setting that out in next

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couple of weeks and then we will address that question

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and many others. Then it is possible that the 10,000

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pledge will not be in the manifesto? Right, well then it must be

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possible that it's not. It's really very hard

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for me to give an answer. It was reiterated on the 2nd

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of April when she was in India. You are now saying it is possible

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that that won't be in the manifesto. I'm not prepared to tell

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you what is going to be When it's out, I hope I'll

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have an opportunity for further The real reason many Tory analysts

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are suggesting that she called an election is not the polls,

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it is that she wants a bigger majority because she's

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scared of the Brexiteers Because, one day, she might have

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to come back in the next two years and say it's not as easy as I have

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suggested, folks, it's going to be quite a tough thing and the Brexit

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is not going to be as clear-cut Do you think that's

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why she has done it? There are many people trying

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to rationalise what happened today which did come as a

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surprise to many others. I can't give you I a yes or no

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to that question because people are throwing up all sorts

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of different theories about it. What I can say is that it certainly

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gives her an opportunity, if she gets what we hope she'll get

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but we are not complacent, a good majority, the opportunity

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to arrive at an potential compromises within the EU,

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potential lines that she can set but there will be plenty

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of opportunities to debate them You are actually, in a way,

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your language, very interestingly, is confirming some of the suspicions

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that people have voiced, which is she is paving the way

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to get a bigger majority which will make it easier

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for her to deliver a slightly softer Brexit than

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she has hitherto suggested. I think you're jumping

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too far ahead on that. I don't think we know yet what sort

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of Brexit were going to end up with. She's told us what she

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wants, hasn't she? And she's going to

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get what she wants. Well, we hope so but those

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negotiations haven't even begun yet. But you're entertaining the idea

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that it could be slightly softer Again, I don't think we should look

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yet for all those conspiracy There are lots of different

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theories, perfectly sensible, perhaps, but the one that is most

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important is the timing. The fact that we have triggered

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Article 50, we don't want to be going into an election year,

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as we enter the final We want to be able to have that full

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mandate, the five years to go ahead so that we do negotiations and then

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go ahead for the next years. There's a whole year of being out

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before the next election. We don't have a year

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of elections, do we? The fact is, the EU would know,

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in terms of any negotiations, for the final deal, that the UK

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would be going into In terms of having a strong hand

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in negotiating with the EU, you don't want a UK election

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to be on the cards. If you want to say this

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is the mandate that the UK has, last year's referendum

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was decisive but close. I hope that this year we can get

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a strong mandate so we can go and negotiate for Brexit

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in the national interest. Theresa May has made very clear

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voting for her gives her So, what should people say

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to her if they like Theresa May, they like the Tories but they don't

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like her Brexit? Well, I would ask them

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to interrogate that Brexit. So she set out, at the Lancaster

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House meeting, her Brexit proposals. You say she wants out

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of the single market, I agree. But the phrase is,

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the widest possible access You said she wants out

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of the customs union, I agree but she still wants to have

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negotiating where we can participate in some elements of the customs

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union to help our businesses. So, I don't think it's quite

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as clear cut as you're putting it. I listened to that Lancaster House

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speech that she gave... She talked about the widest possible

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access to the single market. She's been admirably clear

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about a very hard Brexit. Stephen Dorrell, who was

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a Tory Health Secretary was saying we need to vote for candidates

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candidates who are pro-European who wanted to extend

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our relationship with Europe. I don't recognise this

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description of hard Brexit You can call it sensible Brexit,

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you can call it national interest Brexit, but it's neither

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one extreme or the other. It's a practical Brexit

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were going to try and deliver Theresa May wants it to be

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an election about Brexit She said the country is coming

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together, but Westminster is not, hence the need to change

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the personnel at Westminster, so what will this

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election be fought over? Theresa May's other plans such

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as the reinvention of capitalism? Jeremy Corbyn's plans

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for social care and inheritance tax? Maybe issues

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won't determine it at all. One thing to look out

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for is the fact the new election gives parties a chance to dump

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the promises they've made before, Our policy editor,

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Chris Cook, reports. Soon, the electoral bandwagons

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will start their role across the UK. We've had a lot of big

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public votes lately. This time around, though, what will

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the arguments actually be about? A useful idea here is

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so-called issue salience. Pollsters track which topics people

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are really thinking about. Don't worry too much

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about the numbers, just watch this line here,

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representing interest and worry It has surged as a topic lately,

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overtaking old standards Brexit is Britain's

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number one issue. So, as pollsters we're trying

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to understand all the different things that have an impact

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on how people vote. That includes things like

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party image, leader image, But one of the crucial things

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in the mix is issues. Things like the economy, NHS,

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immigration, Brexit and so on. What is most important to voters

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when they go to the polling station? So here are the latest up issues

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according to Ipsos Mori. In fourth place,

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education or schools. So, watch which topics

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Ms May chose today. Britain is leaving

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the European Union. Let us put forward our plans

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for Brexit and our alternative programmes for government,

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and then let the people decide. The Liberal Democrats think

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Brexit works for them too. Well, it's an opportunity

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for the people of this country to change the direction of this

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country, to decide that they do not want a hard Brexit,

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they want to keep Britain Labour, though, seemed to be seeking

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a broader discussion. I welcome the opportunity to put

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the case to the people of Britain, to stand up against this government

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and its failed economic agenda which has left our NHS in problems

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which has left our schools underfunded which has left

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so many people uncertain. The SNP is trying to

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define itself broadly That would mean not just

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the hardest possible Brexit. More austerity and deeper cuts

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so now is the time for Scotland's voice to be heard and for people

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in Scotland to stand up for the kind of country we want Scotland to be

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under but the campaign that I look forward to leading

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in the weeks ahead. But the thread of another

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independence referendum is going to be the one that runs

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through all the other parties Theresa May's defining topic though

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might be something else. Collectors don't just

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look at policy topics. It's also about issues

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such as competence. Do voters think that the parties

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will make a difference and they take a kind of emotional view

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on this, as well. Parts of her speech have played

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alongside a chart of whom voters And the decision facing the country

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will be all about leadership. It will be a choice between strong

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and stable leadership in the national interest with me

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as your Prime Minister all week -- or weak and unstable coalition

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government led by Jeremy Corbyn. You may have heard

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some of this before. This was basically

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the 2015 Tory pitch. Britain has a choice

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between the competence that has got us this far or the chaos of giving

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it up, going backwards, So, in short, expect something

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of a best of compilation some of the 2016 fight on Brexit,

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some of the 2015 general election and, for viewers in Scotland,

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yet another chapter in the argument I said this was an interesting

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election. This is why. Much of the action is within the parties.

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Will voters defy the usual party boundaries.

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We're joined by the Baroness Tessa Jowell, who served under Tony Blair,

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Do you think Brexit is going to loom over this election? This is on that

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-- undoubtedly a Brexit election. What is important to remember is

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that Brexit has served as a powerful proxy for people. I represented a

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seat in south London for 23 years, I did surgeries every week, nobody

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ever came to my surgery and said, the real problem I face is that we

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are members of the European Union. So, Brexit has become a very

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powerful proxy for, I think, and apprehension about change, a sense

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of being left behind, seeing the economy create hot spots like

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London, like other successful cities in the UK, whereas very many

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communities feel overwhelmed by the pace of change and the consequences

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of that for them. Here's one example. Very quickly. Boston in

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Lincolnshire voted by the largest margin to leave the European Union,

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a very large number of migrants, not any longer working in the fields,

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the agricultural community of Boston on a seasonal basis but because

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technology has changed living there most of the time. I'm interested in

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how this plays in the election. 48% are the ones feeling the political

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system has left them behind. Some of them would say let's not go ahead

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with this. You are among those. What is the tactic over the next seven

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weeks? Do you stick with party loyalty or do you say look at my

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candidate, I want a candidate who stands up for the things I believe

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in and I'm not going to vote for one who doesn't. This is one of those

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seas where, as the report said, brakes on nonparty, non-tribal

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lines. In a sense, that's always been the case. There has always

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been... What happens in the election? What are you going to do

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if you are fanatically for Remain and you are in Kate Hoey's

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constituency and she is a fervent lever. -- leave. Many people want to

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make this about the National Health Service, so on. This is not going to

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happen. It is about Brexit. The responsibility of candidates of

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every party is to not just sign up to Brexit at any cost, which I

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believe will create enormous damage to the country in the long-term but

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to come back, those who are elected to Westminster, with a mandate based

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on the understanding of their constituents, invested trust in them

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as their representatives. I'm going to push you a little bit. I want to

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know where this goes. Would you consider voting Lib Dem if you had a

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Labour candidate who was pro-Brexit? No. I am now a member of the House

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of Lords. I am not facing election. But I hope that the members of my

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party who are facing election and whose efforts I hope to support will

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take the case for Europe. They have failed to make the case for Europe.

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To give people the opportunity to think again, if the promises that

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the Brexit lobby have made do not materialise. Tony Blair has said he

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is ready to stand and support certain Lib Dems. Would you support?

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I don't think that's the case. I think it is pure mischief. It's a

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very dangerous thing to discredit the importance of this issue and

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turn it into one about tactical political cross-dressing. Tessa,

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thank you very much. The two men who ran

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the 2015 campaign for the Conservatives and Labour -

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Sir Craig Oliver Political crossed Racing. How much

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of it is going to go on? -- political crossed Racing. Tessa is

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right. This is going to be a Brexit election. It will enable more

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tactical decision-making than before. Do I think Labour voters

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should vote Lib Dem? I don't. I don't think Labour can win the

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election that I think we need to have strong opposition after the

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election and that some point were going to have a different leader

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than Jeremy Corbyn and they need to inherit some MPs and spirit within

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the Labour Party. Craig, I asked Tessa Jowell whether she would vote

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for Kate Hoey. How should Michael Heseltine vote in this election? I'm

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not going to advise Michael Heseltine. What was interesting

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about what Teza was saying, she is right. This is largely going to be a

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Brexit election. It is an election where the majority of the electorate

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understand it is going to happen and they will ask who is most competent

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to deal with this big issue. The second thing is who is going to be

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the most effective leader. By a country mile, Theresa May is ahead

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in that front. I suspect when those questions are asked, who is the best

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leader, who is the most competent, I think for many people be answerable

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be obvious. Do Labour need to have a specific Brexit plan for people to

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vote for? I think they do. One of the problems today is Labour trying

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to change the subject. They have got to embrace that this is about Brexit

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and they have got to get some clarity and distinctiveness. They

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are not going to get anywhere by saying, take a little bit of

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immigration and get some access to the single market. People need to

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know where they stand on this central issue of our generation. And

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I don't. Right, and you work in the party!

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Let talk about where you would run this? If you're a head in the polls

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and ahead on leadership, those are the two natural questions. What I

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think you will see is the Conservative Party over the next

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seven weeks constantly asking those questions, who is best to deal with

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Brexit? Who has the best leader? They feel they have the answers,

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they feel the stars have aligned. They feel the Labour Party is in

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total disarray. Interesting point Tom makes about having to have a

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Lear position on Brexit, when half of your seats are Remain and half

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are Leave, that is very difficult. What would be the advice to the

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Torres on how to run this election? We will come to Labour in a second.

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I think they probably taken it. Theresa May holds all the cards. She

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is trying to pitch this as, who do you trust to get the best deal for

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Britain? The alternative for Labour, trying to make it about anything

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other than Brexit, it comes down to the personality of the leader and

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Theresa May is going to win on that. She has got to make it about her

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leadership and the Brexit negotiations and that looks very

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strong. I did quite a feud interviews today and the only people

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really coming out for Labour were people like Tom, who are basically

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feeling a bit awkward about the reality of their current leadership.

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And I think that's another real problem during this campaign, there

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is a lot of Labour people thinking, maybe if Jeremy Corbyn just gets

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damaged that little bit will knock out and we can get someone who is

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more effective. We will put that to Emily Thornbury, who will be on.

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What would be your advice to Labour? It wouldn't start from here. They

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are in an incredibly difficult situation. They've got a leader who

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is seen, broadly, as incompetent. They are split down the middle. The

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reality is, you're going to have to try and force it on issues like the

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NHS, education. There is a lot of divisiveness about that kind of

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thing. They are trying to talk about the NHS and other things and maybe,

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Tom, that is the best place. They've got a mountain to climb. That may be

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the best thing for Labour. If they don't take this opportunity to get

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clarity on Brexit, they're going to offer even more because it will

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become about Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May. They have this one

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opportunity to get some clarity on this key issue. I think they could

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say that this is an election where Theresa May looks incredibly strong

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but she is actually called it out of weakness. She knows Brexit is going

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to be a disaster, she knows it's not going to be a land of milk and

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honey, she is cutting and running before the reality bites for Brexit.

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This is actually Theresa May being week rather than strong. Thank you

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both very much indeed. Anything can happen in politics

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these days, and so even though Labour looks to have a mountain

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to climb, it surely can win. But it is, in a way,

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two parties at the moment, not one. Corbyn supporters and his critics

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take different views on many things. The critics probably

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won't want to rock the boat, The New Statesman's special

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correspondent, Stephen Bush, the country's closest watcher

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of Labour politics, has been looking This piece contains graffiti that

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some may find offensive. Jeremy Corbyn's challenge is to break out

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of places like this and appeal to people all around the country.

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Labour will fight two campaigns in June. The first will be campaigns

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all around the country, campaigns designed to say we will take the

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most and give to everybody, like free school meals. They hope this

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will give people a chance to change their mind on Jeremy Corbyn.

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The pessimists in Jeremy Corbyn's campaign are fighting a very

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They believe that the opposition of its

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own MPs, the effectiveness of Brexit on the Labour vote and Theresa May's

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own popularity means that they cannot win this election.

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What they are hoping to do is to fight a

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second election as leader, just as Neil Kinnock did.

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That's why they, like his critics, will actually be fighting

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another campaign - to convince other

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Labour Party members that th ensuing defeat was

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If we ask how we got here, it is possible to answer that

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traditional politics - both new Labour and old Tory -

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had failed to maintain a connection to blue collar voters,

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often in towns and small cities of the north of England.

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They often voted for Brexit and have electoral force.

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They are Labour's old base, but it has been suggested that some

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of them might be persuaded to vote Tory.

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The Labour constituency of Barrow and Furness is a good one

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Filmmaker Nick Blakemore has spent time before

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today's announcement, sounding out voters

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The Conservatives at this time are the only party that are going to

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deliver Brexit. Could you consider voting for them? I could consider

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voting for them because of that. All my friends are working class people.

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We are all working class people, mainly in Barrow. But a lot of my

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friends think the Conservatives are the ones with brains, and sometimes,

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to put it bluntly, they think they are a pack of

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away they treat people, I don't think people see the left as being

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smart people at the moment. I have worked since the age of 14. I work

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long hours and I put everything I've got into it. I don't expect anything

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handed to me. But I do know people who have actually said to me, I am

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better off being on the dole, though why should I work? I have voted

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Labour all my life but I don't think I will in the next election. I'm

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swinging towards Theresa May, I think she's a strong woman. I think

:36:18.:36:22.

she will get more backing from her party than Jeremy Corbyn look will.

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I think she's very patriotically machine once the country to be

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better. I think she cares about what normal people, everyday people that

:36:32.:36:35.

go to work nine to five, have to do all the stuff that we don't like, I

:36:36.:36:41.

think she cares about what they think and she wants to make that

:36:42.:36:46.

better for them. So for someone who has voted Labour all their life is

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it fair to say that you might think about voting Conservative? Yes. If

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they are the ones that are going to get the job done, absolutely. --

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yes. With Brexit. Yes. I'm looking for a party that tells me the truth,

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that not only talks the talk but walks the walk. I'll be honest with

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you, I am a Labour man. Theresa May, yeah, I'm not saying... She's saying

:37:16.:37:21.

the right things, but I don't think I could actually pull myself to vote

:37:22.:37:28.

Tory at this point in time. Having said that, I've got to be honest

:37:29.:37:32.

with you, Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party, if there was ever a

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time in the Labour Party's existence, now is the time for unity

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and it's just not there. Everybody in the country can see it. There's

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no way that the establishment, the media and the establishment, are

:37:49.:37:55.

going to allow a left of centre government to get into power. The

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media perception of Corbyn is disgraceful. He doesn't stand up for

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himself. If Corbyn was my MP in Barrow, I would vote for him as a

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constituency MP, but I don't think I support him in his views in

:38:11.:38:14.

government. Because I think he is too wishy-washy. Brexit is obviously

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the issue. It's certainly confusing. I think the electorate will be

:38:21.:38:29.

confused as to where they would vote with their natural allegiances. What

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Theresa May said on the streets of Downing Street, if she was a Labour

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Prime Minister, I would have been very pleased with it. What do you

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mean by that? Because I thought she was very... This is when she became

:38:45.:38:49.

Prime Minister? When she became Prime Minister, yeah. She was going

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to look after the ones who were only just managing, she said. The actions

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will be so much different from the words, but it's going to take time

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for that to come through, for the electorate to see that, that they

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don't really mean that, they're going to look after their own like

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they always do. The working class people now are changing. They don't

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want to be classed as working class. That's it, it's gone. We are a small

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island, but we are miles apart, you know, from the southern end to the

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northern end, and miles apart in the thinking, sometimes. Voters in

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Barrow and Furness, there. The Labour MP for Barrow and Furness,

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John Woodcock, has said in a Facebook video tonight that he

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cannot endorse Jeremy Corbyn is the next Prime Minister, adding that

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there is still time for him to stand down as the Labour leader rather

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than take Labour to defeat. Emily Thornbury is

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the Shadow Foreign Secretary. Do you accept that there has been some cut

:39:57.:40:01.

through from Theresa May into the labour base in the last couple of

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years? I thought what he said was very interesting and he said, I like

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what it is that she says and what this election ought to be about is,

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what it is that they're doing. Let's look at the evidence. Let's look at

:40:17.:40:21.

fact that they are cutting money per pupil, we're getting cuts to

:40:22.:40:25.

schools. For the first time since, I don't know, 30, 40 years, if your

:40:26.:40:30.

child breaks their arm, they will wait seven hours in A We know

:40:31.:40:39.

this. Your carer will only be there at lunch time, you have to go along

:40:40.:40:42.

and look after your mum yourself because of the cuts to social care.

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That is the reality. That is what is our job during this election, to

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say, actually as a country we are failing. We're failing

:40:51.:40:53.

internationally but we're failing nationally in terms of the

:40:54.:40:58.

economy... How many years has it been since the banks now, seven

:40:59.:41:02.

years, and we're told we need to continue to cut back on public

:41:03.:41:05.

services to pay off the debt, and the debt continues to go up. A lot

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of people are saying this is a Brexit election, Labour will try and

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talk about other things because Labour's position Brexit just isn't

:41:14.:41:18.

clear. When it comes to Brexit, the Lib Dems are very clear. The Torres

:41:19.:41:23.

are clear. And Labour is kind of straddling... Well, you know, we

:41:24.:41:30.

haven't picked a side. We are a national party and we want to

:41:31.:41:33.

represent the nation. The fact that we have people who wanted to remain

:41:34.:41:37.

at people who wanted to leave is actually a strength. It's a

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strength? It is a strength because there has to be a party that tries

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to pull the country together, that gets a deal that works for

:41:45.:41:48.

everybody. But that implies people should say, look, I'm a Brexit here,

:41:49.:41:54.

I'm not going to remain for a Remain MP, or vice versa. If you can't come

:41:55.:41:59.

up with a party position on what is the overwhelmingly most important

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issue that everybody is talking about, isn't that a problem? Two

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things, the first thing is we have a ready had a vote on Brexit, why do

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we need another one? We had one a year ago when the public decided

:42:12.:42:14.

they wanted to leave. Labour's position is that we accept that

:42:15.:42:18.

result but we need to make sure we look after the economy first. The

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most important thing is the safety and security of citizens and the

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second most important thing is the economy. Then we say, Theresa May,

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you promised six things that we really like and we're going to hold

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you do that and we will vote against you if you don't. Will you come up

:42:34.:42:37.

with an alternative Brexit model that the voters can say, actually we

:42:38.:42:41.

prefer the Labour model to Theresa May's model? Let's just start with

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this. We need to have a government that understands that the economy is

:42:48.:42:50.

more important than anything else. That is what every economy around

:42:51.:42:58.

the world does. -- every country. A plan that says, here is a clear

:42:59.:43:03.

choice, Britain, you have two Brexit Global you can choose... The

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government has said they can get a free trade deal with the European

:43:09.:43:11.

Union where we can get the same benefits as we have at the moment.

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We say, great, you can do that and we will hold you do that, because

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that is what we need. That is saying you should vote for Theresa May! To

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see if she can get that. The point is that her vision for Brexit is

:43:26.:43:28.

promising everyone everything and hoping to press every single button,

:43:29.:43:32.

and we have said, you cannot have all of that. Here are the things we

:43:33.:43:36.

think are the priorities and we will hold you to account on that. Having

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an election about you holding them to account on something they haven't

:43:42.:43:46.

done... Today on the steps of Downing Street she is saying, we

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don't like the opposition playing games with us and being mean to us,

:43:50.:43:52.

we're going to have a general election and hope to get rid of the

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opposition and get lots of votes, and we want a blank cheque. They had

:43:56.:44:00.

a limited amount of time to do these elections, negotiations...

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Respectfully, the election has to be on your alternative prospectus, not

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on you holding them to account on their prospectus. It has to be about

:44:15.:44:18.

the colony, it has to be about people's day-to-day lives. It is

:44:19.:44:22.

about schools being cut, it is about... John Woodcock, an MP saying

:44:23.:44:29.

I couldn't vote for Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister but I am Labour and I

:44:30.:44:32.

wanted win my seat and be reselected as the candidate for Labour. What

:44:33.:44:38.

should the members of his party in that constituency do? People who are

:44:39.:44:41.

sitting MPs will be how candidates in the next general election.

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-- John Woodcock doesn't have to vote for Jeremy Corbyn as leader.

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Absolutely we can win. Theresa May can't put forward what she wants for

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Brexit because she wants to put everything at the moment. If people

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vote Conservative, they will be giving her a blank cheque. Vote

:45:12.:45:12.

Labour. Well, Scotland turned out to be

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one of the big stories the SNP was cited by Theresa May

:45:14.:45:16.

as one reason for going So let us go to Edinburgh

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now, and Emily there. Thanks very much. We've come to

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Scotland to ask whether the Prime Minister 's decision was the huge

:45:35.:45:37.

political miscalculation that Nicola Sturgeon declared it to be today.

:45:38.:45:41.

The SNP dominated here. They created the biggest elliptical swings ever

:45:42.:45:48.

seen in a modern UK election when they fought the Westminster seats

:45:49.:45:54.

here some two years ago. They won all but three. Can they maintain

:45:55.:45:59.

that level of power or will they have two slide backwards from

:46:00.:46:02.

something that already seems pretty miraculous in terms of election

:46:03.:46:08.

gains. Perhaps the biggest question is what will the decision to cause a

:46:09.:46:15.

Westminster general election mean for the future of Scotland? Has

:46:16.:46:19.

Theresa May given a mandate to Nicola Sturgeon to do the same thing

:46:20.:46:24.

here in triggering the second referendum we know she wants. If so,

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can she bring Scotland in behind her. Lets talk to Sarah Smith. We've

:46:29.:46:34.

already leapfrogged that sense of the general election to move onto

:46:35.:46:42.

this question of Scotland's future. The independent is going to totally

:46:43.:46:46.

dominate this campaign. It won't be about Brexit, it will be about

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another referendum. In some ways, it will be a referendum on whether

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there should be another referendum on independence. The SNP believe

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they can use this to bolster their demands for another referendum

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because at the moment Theresa May says she will not allow one until

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Britain has left the EU. They may have two answer a few tricky

:47:10.:47:15.

questions. If we have a campaign talking about independence, voters

:47:16.:47:19.

might want to know what an independent Scotland would be like.

:47:20.:47:22.

What currency? Whether Scotland would seek full EU membership.

:47:23.:47:28.

Questions they are not ready to answer fully yet. The Scottish

:47:29.:47:37.

Parliament already voted for another referendum but a campaign could help

:47:38.:47:41.

them in that demand. The Tories feel that they can make significant gains

:47:42.:47:45.

in Scotland. They could put in their manifesto a specific aim to deny a

:47:46.:47:58.

referendum on Scottish independence. I am going to put that question to a

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supporter of the SNP and someone who is a thorn in the side for Nicola

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Sturgeon. Do you think this is what she has in mind, this idea that

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Theresa May could put something in the manifesto that rules out a

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referendum in Scotland? I think so. The SNP will be compelled to put

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something in their manifesto as well. By any measurement, the SNP is

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going to come out of this election with the most seats and biggest vote

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share in Scotland. The Conservatives will argue if the SNP slipped back

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from that high point of 56 seats and nearly 50% of the vote in 2015, then

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somehow that represents a shift, that it vindicates the Tory argument

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that there is no appetite for a second referendum. You think Nicola

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Sturgeon is weakened tonight? Not in the least. Most Scots will be gassed

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that there is a cynical power grab by Theresa May today. It's nothing

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to do with Brexit or resolving the dilemmas... That was an accusation

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levelled at the SNP when that referendum was mooted. The majority

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of people in Scotland want to be in Europe. The SNP have 56 MPs as

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opposed to a paltry 84 the Tories. What does the SNP have to hold onto

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to feel that it has Scotland behind it? They just have to get more than

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40 seats and that seems likely. The real question is how the

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Conservatives in Scotland measure a victory. They had a revival, a

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modest revival last year. They are confident it will be extended in the

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local government elections and in the general election. They are

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looking at around half a dozen seats. The sort of constituencies

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they picked up in last year's Scottish Parliamentary elections.

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The SNP by any measure will win the election but I think the Tory

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calculation is that they will check SNP momentum. The Tories currently

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have one MP north of the -- north of the border. One more would be 100%

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increase. Is there a worry that the SNP will go back? How could they?

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Labour is in disarray both sides of the border. I think this will be

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about Brexit. Scotland is trying to define itself differently than the

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society emerging south of the border. There are a lot aspects that

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people find objectionable. The SNP are in the process of pivoting away

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from rejoining the EU immediately if Scotland were to become independent

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and towards the European economic area. They are not being upfront

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about that because it has caught them unaware because they are going

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to have to play catch-up. They have to be clear in their manifesto about

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precisely what they are proposing. Would she spell out revenue or

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money, all the rest of it? We have had this sprung on others for one

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day. I am not an SNP member or key supporter. There are ample

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opportunities for Scotland and variations of what we could do in

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Europe and the one thing most Scots would agree on is that we need to be

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in their exploiting one or other opportunity. There is also the

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aspects of the rape clause in the benefits legislation that people

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find apparent. There is a pattern that people are finding with a

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winner takes all, greedy society that is inward looking down self and

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people don't want that year. If you thought this was going to be talk of

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the general election in Scotland, it has already leapfrogged the general

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election. We feel already at the starting point of a second

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referendum. It could be an incredibly long eight weeks up here.

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Let's finish with a panel to talk through the choices on offer -

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I'm joined by Paul Mason who is a Guardian columnist

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and Corbyn supporter, Polly Mackenzie who was special

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adviser to Nick Clegg, and Fraser Nelson who is

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Fraser, do we need this election? This is not a necessary election

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even though Theresa May tried to pretend otherwise. It is needed

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because it helps her a lot. It will consolidate her power over the party

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and it will help in EU negotiations but really she was facing a once in

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a generation opportunity to have an election against an opposition which

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is incredibly weak and figured it would be rude not to, really. Such

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an incredible opportunity here. It would have taken a big politician to

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resist this. She said she would but in the end it was irresistible. I

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think it's a measure to the extent of her original strategy on Brexit

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fail. I am glad we are having an election. It had to happen because

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she tried to use the Brexit referendum for a mandate of a kind

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of government which was vacuous because there is no consent to the

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Brexit... The content is the threat to walk away, walk off a cliff,

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destroy the NHS in the process. She knew she couldn't get away with

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that. It has been spun in the papers... The Daily Mail tomorrow is

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saying "Crush the saboteurs". When you say somebody with a 40% lead in

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the polls needing to crush saboteurs. You worry about how

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secure she thought she was. It had to happen. We had to have some

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content to Brexit. Polly, do you think this is a necessary or cynical

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election? It's pretty cynical but whether she is doing it from

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weakness or strength, it will make a stronger, it will increase her

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majority. It's a foregone conclusion. I think Labour will win.

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That is definitely what where the bookies are. If you ask people what

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you think about giving the Conservatives a blank check for

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Brexit? All the issues for Labour, the NHS and everything must be

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framed about preventing a socially unjust Brexit. Senior Labour people

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think bring it on. We have a chance to stage a political revolution

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against the Conservatives and I think we can do it. But the Labour

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Party has backed Brexit and absolutely set go ahead. If you want

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to stop the Conservatives having a blank cheque and a landslide,

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outside of Scotland, I take the point on, the only party to go for

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is the Lib Dems. Whether that is going to be a majority opinion or

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not it doesn't make any sense to switch to the Labour Party. People

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do want to do their best to sabotage Brexit, as the Daily Mail put it

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should vote for the Lib Dems if there is a chance of them beating

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the Conservatives. I'm in favour of organising from the grassroots some

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sort of progressive socially just alliance to prevent what is about to

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happen. Would you vote tactically? I would do in my own constituency. I

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would probably get drummed out of the Labour Party but I would. Which

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party is going to do better? Is the Lib Dem party going to rise? I think

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this is a great early Christmas present for the Lib Dems. They are

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unequivocally the Remain party. They define their own politics by Brexit

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remain. There is only one pro-Remain party in the market right now and

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that is the Lib Dems. Scotland has separate dynamics. The Lib Dems

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can't get any lower and they might get back some of the seats they lost

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to the Tories in the West Country. It is the only good news they have

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had for some time will stop some people feel it is Theresa May

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wanting to deliver a softer Brexit for which she needs a majority to

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see down her own Brexit is. Amber Rudd didn't allow that to night. She

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was saying it is true that one of the results of this will be a more

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possible softer Brexit so you can negotiate it past the Tory

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backbenchers. It is one of the many ways it will be helpful for Theresa

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May. Polly? It depends who is elected. Those elected could be

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pretty hardline Brexit supporters. If people don't want Brexit to

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become an economic catastrophe and smashing the welfare state and

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employment rights it's an opportunity for people to vote

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heavily to prevent the Tories from having a majority. My constituency

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is at Vauxhall. Kate Hoey. I will vote tactical. I'm a Labour Party

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member. At the moment, I'm going to vote for the Labour Party candidate.

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That is not the tactical vote. Kate Hoey is the exception that proves

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the rule. John Woodcock said earlier... The NEC can vote any

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Labour candidates who don't want to be part of labour. Ultimately, we in

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Labour have two position ourselves very much towards the section of the

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electric that is worried about Brexit and once social justice. We

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should be together finding a way to block... Poly- RU recommending Lib

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Dem supporters to vote tactically? Plenty of live Lib Dem voters are

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voting tactically all of their lives and they are not going to stop now.

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You would be forgiven from the pictures to think that the Prime

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Minister addressed a empty Downing Street this morning. That was not

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the case. Downing Street was groaning with people. Seven weeks to

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polling day, let's hope it flies by. I have just chaired a meeting of the

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Cabinet where we agreed that the government should call a general

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election. Good evening. Let's get a check on

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the weather for web and stay. It is looking pretty good but the cloud

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will be increasing through

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