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The Government comes a cropper in the High Court. | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
Its draft plan for clean air will have to be published before | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
London was enveloped in a 40 mile belt of fog. | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
1952 - 4,000 people died from the Great Smog, | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
Today, the judge cited 23,000 deaths from diesel fuel | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
But are there more votes now in leaving drivers to pollute? | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
This man was Energy Secretary in the last government. | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
Donald Trump celebrates 100 days in the White House this weekend. | :00:34. | :00:41. | |
We're in post industrial Detroit where the white working class voters | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
His spirit spoke to their need for a change. | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
When they heard somebody say, "I'm going to remember you, | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
I'm going to speak directly to you, I'm going to fix the problem, | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
I'm the man to do it, based on my experience", | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
he won over the hearts and the minds of the tens of millions of people. | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
Armando Ianucci and the new president of the National Union | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
of Students on getting young people to vote. | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
I remember one very senior minister telling me, | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
that if it was the last day of an election campaign and he had | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
a choice between canvassing a hall of residence or an old people's | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
home, you do the old people's home any day. | :01:14. | :01:31. | |
23,500 deaths a year from nitrogen dioxide poisoning. | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
That figure was cited by the High Court judge today | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
in his ruling that the Government cannot block the publication | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
of their draft clean air plan until after the general election. | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
They claimed publication would "drop a controversial bomb" into the mix | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
of local and national elections, but that didn't wash, | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
and after the local elections we'll find out what Theresa May plans | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
to do about reducing dirty diesel - the main culprit. | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said he hoped that the government | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
will urgently introduce a diesel scrappage fund to rid our streets | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
of the dirtiest cars, and give financial incentives | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
Here's our technology editor, David Grossman. | :02:11. | :02:25. | |
How does the Government plan to clean up our air? It is as important | :02:26. | :02:33. | |
a question as it is urgent. But ministers are fighting shy of | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
providing any answers. By 4pm on Monday they should have | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
published their plan, but they asked the High Court for a delay, until | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
after the general election. The judge though, agreed with the | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
organisation that had taken them to court in the first place, Client | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
Earth The judge listened to claims it kneed to delay, and he rejected | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
them vigorously, and is keeping the Government to the deadline to | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
release the final plan on July 31. The judge was forthright about the | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
cost of delays any plan, what did you make of that? The judge has read | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
the evidence, and was Defra's own evidence that up to 40,000 people a | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
year die of air pollution in the UK. And what the judge said is merely | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
because there is an election going on, doesn't trump the public health. | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
This is not a political issue, one day of delay is important. Weeks or | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
months is intolerable. That is what the judge decided and in my view he | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
was right. Make no mistake this was a huge blow | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
to the Government's attempt to keep a lid on the growing scandal of air | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
pollution. The young was in fact contemptuous on the goot's attempt | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
to delay again the publication of the a plan the clean-up the air. He | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
told them in terms to get on with it because delays mean people are | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
dying. In his judgment, the judge said: | :04:01. | :04:15. | |
A big contributor to this problem say researchers is the Government | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
encouraging drives to buy diesel cars because they produce less CO2 | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
than petrol cars. Diesel went from being under 10% of sales in 1995, to | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
over half by the start of this decade. | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
People who bought diesels in good faith need had been to traps for to | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
clean vehicle, that is part of what needs to happen, hence the carefully | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
crafted scrappage scheme, but it needs to happen, we need to get rid | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
of diesel, phase out diesel as soon as possible and ultimately petrol | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
too. What we didn't know, is that the | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
environmental test that diesel vehicles had to meet boar no | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
relation to real world conditions so the amount of nitrogen dioxide they | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
pumped out, was far in excess of what the Government was expecting. | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
For example, the amount of nitrogen dioxide measured by this testing | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
site on London's Marylebone Road was double the EU legal limit last year. | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
The Government's problem is not so much presenting the plan as the | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
price tag. Who is going to be made to pay? The people who made the | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
diesel car, the people who drive them? Or the taxpayer? Either way | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
the best time to present such a massive bill, is not right before a | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
general election. One group that represents drivers | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
fears that diesel owners will get punished for the simple reason they | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
are the easiest to tax. Only 10% of the problem comes from diesel cars. | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
90% comes from buses and trains and roadside construction equipment. | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
Even, you are looking at boilers from commercial outlets in London. | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
90% of nitrogen dioxide comes from those source, only 10% comes from | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
car, that what we are concern about. Those owners are all expected to pay | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
a tax hike, and that is wrong. The Government we are told hasn't | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
decided what to do next. But, as things stand, ministers will have to | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
publish their draft plan, in just 12 days' time. | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
Ed Davey is a Liberal Democrat MP who served in the coalition | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
government as Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
Matthew Pencharz was London's Deputy Mayor | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
for Environment Energy under Boris Johnson - and now works | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
The statistics are shocking. Why does it need a court to make the | :06:46. | :06:56. | |
Government come clean on plans for diesel? Well, it is good question. | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
Ministers should be hanging their heads in shame. They have | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
prevaricated. They are trying to hide this from the electorate when | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
this is a public health scanle. People talk about public health | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
issues but the air pollution, the damage it does to health is bigger | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
than the crisis of obesity and alcohol abuse, it is that | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
significant. There was no justification for the delay, it was | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
going to be some huge controversy if it came out before the general | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
election, what could that be? Your report sums it up. They don't want | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
to go into an election, with punishing diesel drives, that | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
doesn't strike me as good governance, but I think politicians | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
on the stump don't want to face as their QC put it the Tory tax on | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
diesel plan. But we have known about this problem for years and since | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
2010 we have been nowhere near the EU limit so it a plague on all your | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
house, every politician, every adviser. Liberal Democrats took this | :07:56. | :08:04. | |
seriously. Vince Cable made big steps forward with electric | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
vehicles. I did a lot on energy efficiency in homes because that is | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
important, because a lot of the nitrogen dioxide comes from burning | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
gas, so we took a big issue. Let us be clear, I would suggest the | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
coalition was perhaps no better because the environmentmental audit | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
committee in 2014 said the Government failed to face the | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
problem. You were the government. We were the Liberal Democrat side of | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
the Government. You were the Government. The Liberal Democrats | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
took action, our Conservative colleagues wouldn't. This, the | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
people who are in charge of this are people like Owen part son at Defra | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
who failed to take it seriously. Norman Baker did, I did, Vince Cable | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
did. But you were impotent. We took action which helped but our | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
colleagues time and again refused to act. I am 23409 suggesting you are | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
the Conservative Government, you were the deputy mayor under Boris | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
Johnson, what do you think the measures are in the draft plan? | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Well, the first thing I should say for my experience, the coalition | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
Government didn't step up until it was forced to by losingings, in the | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
Supreme Court round two years ago, and from my experience at City Hall, | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
Liberal Democrat ministers were not, were just as difficult to engage | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
with, I guess than their Conservative counter pars. We took | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
action. Let me answer that point. Clear examples of actions we took. | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
We took action but Boris Johnson went to Brussels to try to argue and | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
make coalitions to undermine the European standards. So Boris | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
Johnson, far from showing leadership, he tried to undermine | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
action on air pollution. And of course, you know, 2014, from 2010 to | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
2014, you were so far behind in London, Boris Johnson did not do | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
enough to reduce emissions nitrogen dioxide. There is a few things I | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
would like to challenge. The first about going to Brussels to water | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
down the rule, that wasn't true. When I went to Brussels it was to | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
get the diesel real world driving tests to work properly. And we had a | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
coalition of other heavily populated industrial areas of Europe, around | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
going to the Commission, trying to get united action... You are not | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
going to have to worry about that for much longer. Can we go back to | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
the point. People would like to know, what will in you view be the | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
principle measures in the draft plans? I think we will see more | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
clean air zone, so we saw my former boss Boris Johnson create the ultra | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
low-emission zone and kudos to Sadiq Khan is bringing forward, he is | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
bringing them faster than we were. That is is a good thing. You will | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
see the Government bringing more clean air zones in. My concern is | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
they are a bit of a blunt instrument. But the cost. It is not | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
so much what you do, is the cost of, what is the cost of do deucing it? | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
There is a huge cost on people's health. There is an overall saving | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
if you take it over a period of years and therefore the Government | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
can't hide behind cost, that is an excuse for not taking... But if, if | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
the action is, is going to be tough, and it comes out of, I assume the | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
reason the Government did not want this to come out before the election | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
because it will have consequences, for the so-called white van man who | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
will be hit badly. It is right about the medical and health impact and | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
the cost to the NHS. And that will be spread widely across society. The | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
difficult for the politician is, that bringing forward these diesel | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
bans or charges, is you are imposing high costs on a relatively few | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
number of people, so if you look at the impact assessments for the clean | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
air zones, the original plan the High Court ruled illegal, that was a | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
billion pounds, if you look at what the compliance cost it was 250 | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
million in one year. Briefly is it wrong to go after diesel drivers? It | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
was supposedly according to the witness in that film it was only | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
10%. We can help diesel drivers go to electric vehicles but it is not | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
just diesel cars it is lorry, training, other aspects if we are | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
able to use less gas... And that will be in the plans? It is | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
certainly Liberal Democrat plans. Thank you very much indeed. | :12:32. | :12:32. | |
Well, let's turn to another potential headache for | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
the Conseratives ahead of the general election: what should | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
or should they not promise voters they will do on the amount | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
Nick Watt's here with some insight on their thoughts. | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
I Philip Hammond buzz badly burned in his recent budget when he said he | :12:49. | :12:56. | |
would increase the rate of national insurance contributions for the | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
self-employed. He quickly withdrew that after it district he | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
contradicted the last Conservative manifesto which said there would be | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
no raise in income tax, VAT on National Insurance contributions so | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
the Chancellor wants to avoid what he regards as the transactional | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
approach of his predecessor, but here is his dilemma, he does not | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
want to make specific commitments, that would bind his hands, but he | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
does need to make what allies are describing as measurable commitments | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
to give him credibility as a low tax party, and to allow him to attack | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
Labour as a high tack party. What might we see in the manifesto on | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
tax? Might we have an echo of the formula that Philip Hammond helped | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
George Osborne draw up in the years when they were in opposition before | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
the financial crash which was that a future Conservative Government would | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
share the proceeds of growth to fund tax cuts and spending increases but | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
the Hammond version would be simpler, it would say as the economy | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
grows, the tax burden should fall, but, he may go a step further, there | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
is an idea that has been examined in the Treasury, and that says you | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
would give a commitment, that you would not increase the basic higher | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
or additional tax rates, but the Chancellor would need wriggle room | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
to raise revenue so would rely on an old friend of the Treasury, called | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
fiscal drag, what that means is do you raise the threshold at which | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
people pay hiring tax and that means more people would pay that 40% | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
higher tax rate. Thank you. | :14:33. | :14:33. | |
On Saturday Donald Trump will have been President and Commander | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
He's got very little legislation through Congress and his approval | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
ratings don't look good, 41% - substantially lower | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
than any other other modern president at this stage in his term. | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
But how is he faring among the working class white voters | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
who ditched the Democrats and propelled him to the White House | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
on the promise that he would make America great again by making mines | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
factories and steel mills come back to life? | :14:56. | :14:56. | |
Our diplomatic editor Mark Urban has been to Detroit where blue collar | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
workers put all their hopes in Donald Trump. | :15:03. | :15:29. | |
If you want to see rusted-out factories scattered | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
Michigan voted twice for Obama but last November | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
With its recent history of industrial decline, | :15:39. | :15:49. | |
his 'Make America great again' message carried the state. | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
When they heard somebody say "I'm going to remember you, | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
I'm going to speak directly to you, I'm going to fix the problem, | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
I'm the man to do it based on my experience," | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
he won over the hearts and minds of the tens of millions of people, | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
and including the Michiganders that turned the state red. | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
So where better to look for the voters' verdict on those | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
Of course in a neighbourhood like this in Detroit many | :16:22. | :16:36. | |
of the first hundred days issues that resonate in Washington have no | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
meaning whatsoever and if you come here looking for signs of buyers' | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
regret on the part of Trump voters, you'll be disappointed. | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
In the post-apocalyptic remains of Detroit's industrial heyday, | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
Alan Hill scavenges metal and looks to his president for change. | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
The previous administration seemed to alienate people's ideas | :16:58. | :17:10. | |
and broke their dreams and Trump has put a lot of faith back | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
And out where they still produce vehicles in vast quantities, | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
you'll hear similar expressions of faith in the president. | :17:18. | :17:30. | |
50% of the union members in my plant voted for Donald Trump. | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
Across the road from the Ford plant where he works, | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
Brian explained why so many blue-collar workers here deserted | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
the Democrats and why Trump's record so far doesn't disappoint. | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
I am 100% satisfied with Donald Trump's efforts to this point. | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
I think he has fought very hard to do exactly what he pledged to do | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
in terms of immigration policy, securing our borders, | :17:52. | :17:53. | |
I have been very disappointed, however, with Congress - | :17:54. | :18:03. | |
both Democrats and Republicans - for them not being able to implement | :18:04. | :18:05. | |
Of course, there are plenty of Trump critics here, too. | :18:06. | :18:16. | |
Most notably for his immigration executive orders. | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
The largest Muslim population in the country is in my district. | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
Targeting people because of their faith, of religion, | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
I know he talked about it, but you just don't understand how | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
these communities are being divided with fear and hatred. | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
But in some ways, it's also communities coming together. | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
You've never seen them come together before, | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
and that gives you a feeling of hope in some ways, but this | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
Issues of security, national and economic, | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
have long run harmoniously together in this state. | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
The Yankee Museum maintains this pristine B-17 and it was here | :19:06. | :19:15. | |
when it opened at Willow Run, Michigan, that the world's | :19:16. | :19:17. | |
And they're coming off the assembly line as fast | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
They constructed more than 8000 Liberator bombers here, | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
applying the car industry's manufacturing methods | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
The fact of the matter was every 55 minutes an aircraft was coming | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
off a production line, just in this plant alone, | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
and Germany, Japan, our enemies in the Mediterranean, | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
there was no way to be able to compete with that | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
So President Trump came to Willow Run last month, promising | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
This facility, this city and this nation will once again shine | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
So this, it's clear, is the Trump style. | :19:55. | :20:03. | |
A permanent campaign and a one-man assembly-line | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
One reason why Trump came to Willow Run is because here, | :20:06. | :20:18. | |
on a part of the old bomb factory, they're planning a test | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
facility for the automated vehicles of the future. | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
So what do those who met him think of Trump's promise | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
I couldn't hazard a guess on what that would mean for jobs | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
I will say this, that if the technology's going | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
to revolutionise the way that we move people and goods, | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
and to that extent, if we don't focus on this technology, | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
we will lose a lot more, a lot more jobs that are around | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
engineering and making the system work, making vehicles work. | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
Near the plant, the Bomber diner serves up 'bomber burgers' | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
It's popular with veterans and those who served have | :20:57. | :21:04. | |
often been unimpressed with their new President's | :21:05. | :21:05. | |
He is learning how complex things are, he thought they were simple. | :21:06. | :21:19. | |
He said, "Who knew health care could be so complicated?" | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
Now he's saying "Who knew that international relations | :21:22. | :21:23. | |
could be so complicated, who knew that Korea or Syria | :21:24. | :21:25. | |
And so he's really done nothing in 100 days other than to get | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
a Supreme Court judge put on the bench. | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
So what, I asked the woman who ran Trump's campaign in the state, | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
should we make of the discarded promises or admissions | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
that he hadn't realised it was all so complicated? | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
That's what the American people wanted. | :21:46. | :21:46. | |
We wanted someone to say, "Wow, this is tougher than I imagined." | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
I think that message of honesty speaks to the voters | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
For the president to say "This is tougher than I thought | :21:52. | :22:00. | |
it was going to be", or "I'm surprised by how complicated | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
it is," I think that speaks to his to his strength as a man, | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
And if the issue of preserving American jobs is paramount here | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
Last month, General Motors started shedding more than 1000 jobs | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
Some are going elsewhere in the US but each new factory announcement | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
now gets scrutinised as a success or failure for Trump and the fight | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
You will hear any number of reasons advanced for why things like this | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
From the strength of the dollar, that's one that President Trump | :22:34. | :22:41. | |
himself has used, to people here locally blaming uncompetitive | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
dumping of goods, cheaper production elsewhere, | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
And it is that sort of message that carried President Trump to power | :22:46. | :22:56. | |
but which also now informs the debate in a place like this, | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
where even some leading members of the Democratic Party are echoing | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
the President's protectionist language. | :23:06. | :23:06. | |
What we need is a level playing field so we need to make | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
sure that people aren't manipulating their currency. | :23:11. | :23:11. | |
I want to see currency manipulation enforcement. | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
Now I'm hearing you as a Democrat congresswoman effectively urging | :23:19. | :23:20. | |
Trump to remain true to his campaign platform. | :23:21. | :23:28. | |
But go look, you'll find me in August of 2015, | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
saying Donald Trump was exciting people. | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
And I think that people - and I don't agree with him | :23:38. | :23:48. | |
on many things he's done but my responsibility | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
is to work for the working men and women in our districts. | :23:52. | :23:53. | |
And if he's going to do something that's going to fix bad trade | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
policies, my job is to work with him to do that. | :23:58. | :23:59. | |
Viewed from Michigan or middle American generally, | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
the effort to revive the economy and protect jobs form the central | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
narrative of Trump's administration so far. | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
In that sense, he's redefined politics here, even if he's far | :24:12. | :24:14. | |
from demonstrating he's found the answers. | :24:15. | :24:23. | |
Mark, we saw there Trump voters standing by their man. | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
And we're getting a clearer sense of his plan to | :24:31. | :24:32. | |
Absolutely. If you are in a place like Michigan, you think, how can | :24:33. | :24:45. | |
you really reverse the tide of industrial decline? One of the key | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
answers unveiled this week is an ambitious plan for tax reform. It is | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
being billed as the most ambitious ever. Central to that, plans | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
announced by the Treasury Secretary here to cut corporation tax is by a | :25:01. | :25:09. | |
huge margin, from 35% to just 15%. And to cut personal taxation fans | :25:10. | :25:17. | |
from 7% to 3%, to reduce the overall burden of taxation. They argue that | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
if they can't these corporate taxes, many companies, famously Apple, | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
which has kept hundreds of billions in profits overseas, will repatriate | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
those monies, the tax take will go up and offset by the fact that they | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
are cutting it to 15%, you have a massive decrease in tax. And that | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
that money, as it is repatriated, could also be used to fund research | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
and development and new factories and all the rest of it. That is | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
their message but many Republicans in the Senate and Congress do not | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
believe that message. They feel that this is a dangerous gamble, that the | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
loss of tax receipts could easily be $1 trillion in the next few years of | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
this ambitious change, and how on earth will it be funded other than | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
by running up huge debt? That, if you like, will be the central gamble | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
of the Trump platform to revive the economy. Mark, thank you. | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
Now Viewsnight, the part of the programme designed | :26:21. | :26:22. | |
While the manifesto writers are wrestling with what to promise | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
and not to promise after June 8th, one of David Cameron's | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
former speechwriters, the commentator Julian Glover | :26:31. | :26:31. | |
suggests a radical way to make our highways...super. | :26:32. | :26:42. | |
It's time to pay as you drive. No one likes roads. We are not fans of | :26:43. | :26:52. | |
the M25. That was Julian Glover, | :26:53. | :28:18. | |
who is also director of the Wolfson Economics Prize | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
which this year is looking at ideas In the 2015 election, | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
as per usual fewer young people voted than any other age group - | :28:24. | :28:33. | |
following an established trend. And the chasm was at its deepest | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
between the youngest and the oldest - so 43% of 18-24s put a paper | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
in the ballot box, as against The writer and satirist | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
Armando Iannucci has become so exercised about this disconnect, | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
that he's been trying to brew up a Twitter storm, | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
with a campaign to get three million 18-24 year olds to register to vote | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
before the deadline of May 22nd. "I beg you on my gnarled and brittle | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
knees, register to vote, then vote." I spoke earlier to the man who likes | :29:02. | :29:12. | |
to make a mockery of politicians about his desperation, | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
to get young people I asked him whether he really | :29:16. | :29:17. | |
believed that young people held this I think it's important that young | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
people engage as much as possible in the election, | :29:22. | :29:30. | |
because if they don't, they lose. If you look at how politics has | :29:31. | :29:32. | |
conducted itself over the 20 years, the young vote has gone down, | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
so a lot fewer voters between 18 and 24 vote than, | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
say, voters over 65, so as a result, people over 65 | :29:39. | :29:40. | |
are courted by politicians. I remember one very senior minister | :29:41. | :29:49. | |
telling me that if it was the last day of an election campaign, | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
and he had a choice between canvassing a hall | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
of residence or an old people's home, you do the old people's home | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
any day because they're the ones And as a result, young people have | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
been abused by the system. It's young people who have had, | :30:02. | :30:12. | |
you know, their housing benefit cut, their Education Maintenance | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
Allowance cut, they're not part of the living wage until age 25, | :30:16. | :30:17. | |
they're an easy target. So the more young people vote, | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
irrespective of who they vote for, the more they have something that | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
politicians are after, But don't you want young people | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
to vote in a particular way? So you would like young people, | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
I would imagine, to vote for Remain candidates, | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
or tactically vote You only want them to vote | :30:33. | :30:33. | |
if they vote your way. No, no, no, this is | :30:34. | :30:41. | |
how democracy works. I saw one opinion poll that showed | :30:42. | :30:43. | |
that young people might split more in favour | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
of the Tories this election. I'd rather they voted | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
than they didn't vote. It's also about how politics | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
is going to function in the future. If politicians rely more and more | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
on the fewer and fewer people who do come out in elections, | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
it does mean that a larger percentage of the population are | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
just ignored and forgotten about. So should young people be allowed | :31:02. | :31:09. | |
to vote at 16, as they did Yes, initially when that was | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
announced in Scotland, I was a bit concerned, | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
but the level of debate, the excitement and also the fact | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
that 16 and 17-year-olds for the first time felt really | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
involved in fundamentally important decisions about their country's | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
future, really galvanised an interest in politics, | :31:24. | :31:24. | |
so I am all for opening that up. David Cameron was given | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
the opportunity to allow 16, 17-year-olds to vote in the EU | :31:28. | :31:29. | |
referendum and he said no, because he was thinking about how it | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
might affect the Tory vote If he had said yes, then he may well | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
be Prime Minister still. But don't people 65-plus have | :31:36. | :31:50. | |
as a legitimate right to have their views heard | :31:51. | :31:52. | |
as people under 25? I am also saying, if you think none | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
of the above, then spoil your paper, I don't care, I just want you to get | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
out and register, because as soon as you register you have that one | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
thing that a politician needs off Isn't there a terrific irony in this | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
- you have spent much of your life writing brilliant satire | :32:10. | :32:22. | |
about the terrible state our politicians are in, you know, | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
The Thick Of It here, Veep in America, satirising | :32:25. | :32:26. | |
politicians for being venal, being stupid, pursuing their own | :32:27. | :32:28. | |
agendas, so you kind People say why should | :32:29. | :32:30. | |
I care about them? What has happened there is I have | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
responded to that in my own way, which is through doing things | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
like The Thick Of It. I think you cannot change politics - | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
if you are angry like I've been angry about the state of politics, | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
but if you care about politics as much as I care, | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
you have to do something, and I think that something must | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
start with at least registering, showing an interest, | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
and then getting out and voting. Are you are putting your hand | :32:58. | :32:59. | |
on your heart and saying it doesn't matter to you if every single person | :33:00. | :33:07. | |
between 18 and 25 was, for example, to vote for Theresa May, | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
it wouldn't matter to you? A British Prime Minister, | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
if they have a massive majority, have total power, so I would say | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
even though the headlines are saying huge majorities are inevitable, | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
if young people are looking for a reason to try and make any | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
kind of a difference, then at the very least they might be | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
interested in seeing that majority, that total power, that sort | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
of elected dictatorship, as Lord Hailsham once | :33:29. | :33:30. | |
described it, is minimised. Here we are, here you are, | :33:31. | :33:39. | |
and why should young They know, they have | :33:40. | :33:41. | |
made up their minds, they understand politics, | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
they understand the system, they don't necessarily want | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
you to tell them what to do? You invited me on the programme, | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
I didn't ring up to ask. But you have been | :33:53. | :33:55. | |
tweeting like crazy. Yes, well, you have been | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
reading my tweets and responding. So here you are, Armando Ianucci, | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
who is an Italian Scot, who lives near London, | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
who plies his trade sometimes across the Atlantic, | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
what kind of Britain I want to live in a Britain that has | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
a fully functioning democracy. I have been writing for some time | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
about how people are frustrated by - I mean we now have a system, | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
we still have a system where by in the last election, | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
37% of the people who voted, voted And yet they gain a majority, | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
a working majority of, Listening to when Theresa May | :34:24. | :34:30. | |
announced the election, and said she was announcing it | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
because Parliament couldn't agree Now that sounded to me like how | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
a proper functioning demock should work, and the fact | :34:37. | :34:45. | |
she could casually announce that as a flaw in the system, | :34:46. | :34:55. | |
that needs to be corrected, and ask for a mandate that | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
allows her to get whatever she wants, without opposition, | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
I find a worrying trend. Do you see a possibility | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
of a satirical episode in that? Well, let's see how it plays out | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
in front of us in reality first. So are you ready to go back | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
into television satire? I just want to get this election | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
out of the way first. Well, I'm now joined | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
by Shakira Martin, who just yesterday won the election to become | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
the new President of O raise revenue so would rely on an | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
old friend of the Treasury, called fiscal drag, what that means is do | :35:43. | :35:44. | |
you raise the threshold at which people pay hiring tax and that means | :35:45. | :35:47. | |
more people would pay that 40% higher tax rate. | :35:48. | :35:48. | |
Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you very | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
much. Let us deal with national politics. Armando Ianucci says | :35:51. | :35:51. | |
politicianings are obsessed with older people, that is the votes they | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
are trying to court. Let us take something like the triple lock on | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
pensions which Jeremy Corbyn is wedded to, more so than the Tory, | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
the triple lock on pensions guarantees them 2.5% increase a | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
year, why not campaign to take that away from pensioner, and use it for | :36:12. | :36:19. | |
increasing apprenticeship wages, reducing tuition fees, making | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
affordable rents for young people, why not take that and say don't | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
spend it there, spend it here? So I think there is a few thing, | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
pensioners go out and vote it is a guaranteed vote, so when elections | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
are happening, they are guaranteed to come out so they need to have a | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
promise, to the older generation, and that is through pension. That is | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
a kind of chicken and egg, because actually, they pander to them, you | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
could say, because they come out and vote, but if young people voted they | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
might pander to you. There is a few things, it is about making politics | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
engagele and relatable to young people. Many young people students I | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
speak to they find politics unrelatable when they see | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
politicians speaking they don't look like them, they don't sound like | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
them, they don't see how the link is related to their every day life. | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
They are disenfranchised in politics. Do they think that because | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
of the way politics are conducted on student campuses because it is | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
narrow and niche and things like trans issue, no platforming, | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
cultural appropriation, that is, it I would say it doesn't Brook broad | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
argument, it looks like, you know, you can't afford to argue with this | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
or you will be struck down. I think it is more simple. Before we can get | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
young people to understand the importance of freedom of speech, we | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
need to get them to understand the importance of shaping their | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
generation and the society they would like to live in, and the | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
importance of you know, them exercising their democratic right by | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
voting and that is the way in which they can make change. But, do you | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
think that young people, particularly people on campus who | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
need to be more thick skinned about people holding different views, so | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
someone like Germaine Greer should be invited to universities. I | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
believe we should encourage healthy debate, and a place for university | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
should be a place for people to learn, as the NUS is supporting | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
students unions in doing so. Is there too much on, in you know, | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
colleges and in university, too much intolerance to views that don't | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
support your own? I think that there is is a need for some healthy | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
discussion, and we need to promote the importance of bringing people | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
together, to have healthy debate and respecting differences, and freedom | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
of speech but coming up with solutions together to be able to | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
make change. You are President-elect of one of the biggest trade unions | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
in this country, I would think that you should be the heart of this | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
election, your policies should be something that politicians court, | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
need to talk to you about things so for example, you know we hear that | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
on tuition fee, tuition fees are going to be increased, there won't | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
be a commensurate increase in standards but on the question of | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
tuition fees where is your big platform that you as leader, | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
President-elect of a union will take out and make politicians listen to | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
you? So it is about getting young people to get the argument first and | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
understand the importance of free education, I think there is a lot of | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
young people in colleges who will be going on to university or sixth form | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
who don't understand the argument, who don't know when they are making | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
choices about universities that is different values with the proposal | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
of the bill and I am proud of the work that my current Vice President | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
has done, in separating the links between raising tuition fees and | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
quality, we think that students should be entitled to high quality | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
but not at the detriment of the you can afford it or not. They are not | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
registered to vote. Isn't it your job make them do that? It is | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
definitely our job to go out there and represent them nationally as a | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
national union of student, it is something we have to do | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
collectively. We have to work with communities and organisation, giving | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
political education and citizenship education to let young people | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
understand the importance of voting, and how that influences and shapes a | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
their future. Just one front-page, the EU signal | :40:33. | :40:39. | |
of united Ireland Stokes fears for post-Brexit UK. European leaders are | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
recognising, confirming that Northern Ireland would rejoin the | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
block after Brexit in the event of a vote for Irish reunification. That | :40:51. | :40:51. | |
is it for tonight. We end with news of the death | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
at the age of 86 of Leo Baxendale, the legendary cartoonist | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
from the Beano, who, back in the 1950s, originally | :40:59. | :41:00. | |
created Minnie the Minx, Little Plum, and, most enduringly, | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
The Bash Street Kids. Here they are at the height | :41:03. | :41:04. | |
of their politically incorrect fame. | :41:05. | :41:08. |