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It's not true of course, but sure as hell a lot of it is, | :00:00. | :00:11. | |
and in this election the outcome will be determined in different | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
So tonight we are out and about in battleground Britain. | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
Three constituencies each chosen for a special reason, | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
This is Bishop Auckland, the beautiful market | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
town in County Durham, in the election battleground | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
I'm 200 miles south in the Conservative seat | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
The heart of a town lies in its people. | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
We're taking that to heart, and we'll be speaking | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
Scotland is a very different battle ground indeed. | :00:47. | :00:59. | |
We'll hear why this seat of Berwickshire is important, | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
I'm standing outside the town hall, with 30 days | :01:02. | :01:12. | |
It's easy to watch our programme, or any other, and to get | :01:13. | :01:20. | |
the impression that an election is just a contest fought | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
between party leaders on a national stage. | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
Certainly it felt like that today with Theresa May and husband Philip | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
on the One Show sofa and Jeremy Corbyn | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
But we are going to ignore both of those stories tonight - | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
because for good or ill, we have a voting system that | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
also makes our election 650 local contests. | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
Each seat has its own candidates, its own local parties, | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
And with national party loyalties in an elasticated | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
state at the moment, local action is often where it's at. | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
So tonight we've ditched the studio and have come out | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
We are in three ordinary constituencies, chosen | :01:57. | :02:03. | |
because the way their voters turn on June the 8th could help deliver | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
three very different futures for Britain. | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
A little later in the programme, we'll be off to the Conservative | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
The seat is number 50 on Labour's target list, | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
and we're dropping in to look at the Labour in power scenario. | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
If Labour can win Stevenage, they are probably the largest | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
It's a London commuter belt town, but it's a long way | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
And the Tories were 5000 votes ahead last time. | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
But the constituency voted Labour throughout the Blair heydays. | :02:38. | :02:48. | |
We'll also visit the Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk constituency | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
This is an SNP seat, but is number three on the Tories' UK target list. | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
A comfortable Tory victory there takes us to the Conservative | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
consolidation outcome, a modest increase in | :03:00. | :03:00. | |
A rural seat, it spans a large portion of south-east of Scotland. | :03:01. | :03:10. | |
Most voters here backed unionist parties last time. | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
Will that help the Tories take it, and signify a resurgence | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
But our first stop is here in Bishop Auckland. | :03:15. | :03:23. | |
A Labour seat now, this is number 46 on the Tory target list, | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
and a win would suggest we're looking at the Tory landslide | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
scenario, with a majority of around 100. | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
This has a long history, but its economy has been shaped | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
by the rise and fall of the coal mines here. | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
Today, the Conservatives need a 4.5% swing from Labour to clinch it. | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
They came within 328 votes of winning it last time. | :03:43. | :03:52. | |
Well, with me here is our political editor, Nick Watt. | :03:53. | :04:00. | |
Nick, we're here because if the Conservatives can win | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
in seats like this then we'd expect them to be on course | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
for a landslide majority, and they would have stolen | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
significant ground from Labour on their home turf. | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
The polling experts have said that if the Conservatives win this seat, | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
they would have a majority of 100, and that is as you say landslide | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
territory. Some recent opinion polls have suggested we are heading that | :04:21. | :04:28. | |
way, the guardian ICM poll yesterday gave the Conservatives a 22 point | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
lead all the others say it is more narrow. But our pollsters were | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
cautious and suggested local election results last week implied a | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
swing from Labour to the Conservatives of 2.5%, and that | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
wouldn't really get you into a landslide, it would be a Tory | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
majority of 60, not bad, who would complain? But that is only ten above | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
the figures that ministers are saying would we make this early | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
election worthwhile. If we're talking about this scenario today, | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
what would the impact of that B? It is something that our age group | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
would refer to as a Basildon moment, that moment in 1982 where it came | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
obvious that the Tories would get a fourth election victory. It has been | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
Labour since 1935 when Hugh Dalton recaptured it from the Liberals. He | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
was the Labour Chancellor who inadvertently leaked his budget in | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
1947, but after spending two Dacia, I would say the Tories have quite a | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
big hurdle to climb, which is entrenched Labour support even from | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
Labour voters who have doubts about Jeremy Corbyn, but there is a | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
reasonable Ukip vote here, and if that splits is the way opinion polls | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
show they will, maybe the Tories will get across the line. Thank you, | :05:50. | :05:50. | |
Nic. And Nick has spent the last couple | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
of days here in Bishop Auckland, testing the temperature of those | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
who live here and asking whether this town will stay Labour | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
or help give the Conservatives Medieval castles and grand houses | :06:03. | :06:19. | |
pepper the western half of the Bishop Auckland constituency. But | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
this is a parliamentary seat of two halves. As you head east into former | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
coal-mining areas, you see tell-tale signs of post-industrial decline. | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
There is real rapport poverty as well as urban poverty. Lots of | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
people struggling to make ends meet in their lives. So there is a lot of | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
the just about managing people do get talked about, and there are | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
those who go from one job to another, they are worried about | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
permanent and stability. Theresa May would dearly love to win this seat, | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
which has been in labour hands since 1935. The Prime Minister should have | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
little difficulty in picking up votes in the more prosperous parts | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
of the constituency. The hope will be that her central message about | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
championing ordinary working families will win over Labour and | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
Ukip voters in the more deprived areas. Success for the Tories, | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
buoyed by their victory in the nearby Tees Valley mayoral contest, | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
may depend in large part whether Labour voters are prepared to | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
support their leader. One lifelong supporter will be casting his ballot | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
the labour, but with little enthusiasm. He is too idle to shave, | :07:37. | :07:48. | |
and he's not right, he's not a Labour top man, I would say. He's | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
got to get himself sorted, because if not, we are going down the | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
Suwanee. His friend Danny isn't going to vote at all. Labour? No | :07:57. | :08:06. | |
backbone whatsoever. I would vote for Labour now. Labour will get it | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
around here no problem at all. But there is no leadership. So there are | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
strong doubts about Jeremy Corbyn in the Bishop Auckland Labour | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
heartlands, but head over to the leafy aside whether Tories can count | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
on strong support, and you can see signs of that Corbyn Fanclub. I | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
think the media are saying that Jeremy Corbyn is in very good. I | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
think he's a very good leader, and I think he stands his ground. I joined | :08:36. | :08:46. | |
the Labour Party to get him in. The contrasting views show that nothing | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
is straightforward about this seat, where the picture on the ground is | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
more nuanced than polling numbers would suggest. Apathy may be a | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
strong factor, and Bishop Auckland is no longer a straight Labour/ Tory | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
fight. Theresa May will only prevail if she can eat into 7000 Ukip votes. | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
Tell me why you wrote Ukip. Because immigration in this country is out | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
of control. Some people say that Ukip in a sense of done their job, | :09:13. | :09:20. | |
we are out of the EU. No, I don't agree. It's not job done, is it? | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
Half a job. Tories tend not to put their heads above the parapet in | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
Bishop Auckland. One mum of an aspiring ping-pong champion is full | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
of praise for Theresa May. I do like her, and coming from the feminist | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
point of view, I like that we've got a woman again. I think she's a | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
strong character, I like what she said about Brexit, and I think | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
probably a lot of people are thinking like that, they think she | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
is a strong leader and that helps the shift from Labour to Tory. I | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
don't think Labour have got a lot going for them at the moment. And | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
there are even Labour voters who praised the Prime Minister. I think | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
she's very strong. I think she won't take anything, she'll be a good | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
candidate and stand strong in terms of Brexit. But I don't believe in | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
the Conservative policies, really. If the Tories do win this seat, it | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
could well be remembered as a seismic moment in British politics. | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
It would be significant because it would say something about what was | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
happening across the nation as a whole, which might surprise people, | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
if this seat particularly went Conservative. In this overlooked | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
corner of north-east England, visitors would barely know an | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
election is under way. Many people told us they are simply | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
uninterested, and the greatest noise issue is not from election's | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
loud-hailers, but from one of England's most spectacular | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
waterfalls. Nic Watt there. | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
Arguably, the grand divide in England, exposed | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
by the referendum last year, was between big cities | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
like Manchester and London and secondary towns and cities that | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
tended to vote more enthusiastically for Brexit. | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
It's that factor that might or might not be reshaping the party | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
loyalties of seats we think of as naturally Labour or Tory. | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
Well, let's reflect on what's changing. | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
I am joined here in Bishop Auckland by James Wharton, former | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
He has been Conservative MP for Stockton South since May 2010. | :11:25. | :11:32. | |
And Chi Onwurah, Labour MP for Newcastle upon Tyne Central | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
since 2010 and a shadow Business Minister. | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
Good evening to you both. Chi first of all, what you think is happening | :11:41. | :11:49. | |
here among traditional Labour voters? Is there some sense of them | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
switching away? I think what we are seeing is we have Brexit divided the | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
country and divided northern voters as well, 58% of northern voters | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
voted to leave. The Conservative Party have taken on Ukip's language | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
and mantle is attracting them, but what I find on the doorstep, and we | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
have many fantastic candidates taking our message into the | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
communities, is that the Labour vote, the memory of the Tory | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
government and the cuts to public services combined with the fact that | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
people do not feel better off, people know that we are 10% on | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
average worse than when the Conservative first came into power, | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
that is still the message. Are you expecting to lose seats in the | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
north-east, though? We are fighting for every vote. That isn't what I | :12:42. | :12:49. | |
asked. The polls suggest that we may experience losses, but on the day | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
itself, I think people will remember what a Tory government means. What | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
is your experience, James Wharton? I would be surprised if we don't take | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
seat in the north-east, what is underlying that is where and when. | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
What do you think it is? I think a long time people voting in the | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
north-east were removed from those who represented them. Brexit is one | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
big reason, it highlighted that. Nearly all of the Labour MPs in this | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
region supported remain, and a lot of the Labour voters supported | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
leave, and there wasn't a voice for them, and they looked elsewhere. | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
What do you say, Chi, to Labour voters when they say, I might not | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
vote Labour or I don't like Jeremy Corbyn. What do you say? I say to | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
them, Labour voters who are thinking of switching to Tory, I say that if | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
in two years' time you will be lying at a -- lying awake at night out of | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
guilt will the Tories are doing to our schools, NHS and economy, and | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
your responsibility for that. And for James to say that our | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
candidates, our MPs, have not been rooted in their communities, when | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
the Tory party is full of people who can't even imagine what it is like | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
to take a bus, never mind to go to a food bank... Let James answer. I | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
have lived the north-east all my life. I have seen the complacency of | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
many of the Labour politicians and the reason. The big thing we face in | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
this country going forward, and people know this, is going to be | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
Brexit, getting the deal are going to that process, and there is a | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
choice in this election between Theresa May and her strong and | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
stable leadership... LAUGHTER | :14:41. | :14:41. | |
. Lets just ask about the pitch of the | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
north-east to your parties. It was the Tories who came up with this | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
Northern Powerhouse slogan, who seem to have a vision or ambition for the | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
North. You must feel terrible that Labour didn't talk about it in that | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
way for so long? Labour has always been rooted in the | :14:57. | :15:10. | |
industrial heartlands. Labour is for a resurgent industry and we know | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
what industry means, jobs, good quality jobs, making and building | :15:16. | :15:24. | |
things. The industrial strategy, you are Shadow Minister for industrial | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
strategy. What is it? Industrial strategy is to invest in our | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
transport, in innovation infrastructure, to invest in | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
communities and skills, for lifelong learning so we have the skilled | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
people to deliver the skilled jobs which mean higher wages and mean we | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
can compete internationally and globally. You were the Northern | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
Powerhouse minister until last summer. What has happened to that, | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
what is going on? Just last week we had the first mayor elected in the | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
north-east region. There are more in the north than anywhere else. And | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
with that comes significant devolution and new powers. Three | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
years ago George Osborne talked about high speed three. It was going | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
to be an east West think that would make northern cities more than the | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
sum of their parts. When is that going to be finished? You do not | :16:23. | :16:30. | |
finish a project on economic growth. When is it going to start? We have | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
seen devolution delivered in the Tees Valley. On every single train, | :16:36. | :16:45. | |
they will be replaced by 2022. These are big investment that had been | :16:46. | :16:56. | |
needed by -- nearly four years. Our economy can have workers moving | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
around thanks to our investment and we will set up the bank of the North | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
which will attract investment here and control that investment. Is it | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
your contention that the Northern Powerhouse is on track and being | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
delivered to the people of the North? I think it is. When you say | :17:11. | :17:22. | |
Northern Powerhouse... You cannot change something that dramatically | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
overnight. You are going to see new trains and devolution deal, the | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
shape of politics is changing across the north of England and people are | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
doing that. We that in the vote. Investment is going to follow. In | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
seven years we have doubled the debt under the Tories. We have to leave | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
it there. Well, that's it from | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
Bishop Auckland for now. We shall return later, | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
but the next leg on this UK Thanks, Evan - and good evening | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
from Abbotsford in the heart of the Scottish Borders, | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
the home of Sir Walter Scott, who did more than his fair share | :18:01. | :18:02. | |
to forge both Scottish identity and the idea of a Scotland's place | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
in the United Kingdom. We are here because constituencies | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
like this are the kind the Conservatives need to win | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
if they are to consolidate But more than that - | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
this election serves to emphasise how much Scotland | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
is "another country". For many here, this is a return | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
to the arguments of the 2014 Nicola Sturgeon says it's a chance | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
to put Scotland in Scotland's hands. Ruth Davidson, after a Tory surge | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
at last week's local elections, says it's an opportunity | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
for unionists to prevail. For Labour, who took a drubbing | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
in the locals and even managed to lose Glasgow council, | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
the question is whether this election brings | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
a fightback or wipeout. The resurgence of the Tories appears | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
to be a direct result In power in Scotland | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
for more than a decade, the last general election | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
was a triumph when they took So this election is for the heart | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
and soul of Scotland, but if the Conservatives gain even | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
a handful of seats, it would contribute to the idea | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
that they are the only party who can Scotland has been at the heart | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
of seismic shifts in politics In 1997 Labour in Scotland | :19:05. | :19:19. | |
was the backbone of Tony Blair's The Conservatives were all | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
but dead in the water Ten years later, the Scottish | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
National Party formed a minority administration in Hollywood and have | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
been in power ever since. Now they command the heights | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
of Scotland at Westminster. But people are beginning to ask | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
whether they have reached peak nat and how that would play | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
into a second independence When Nicola Sturgeon announced | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
there would be a second referendum, did that galvanise unionism | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
in the Scotland? So we've got this odd paradox | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
going on in Scottish politics now where the Unionist parties | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
want to talk about independence because they know they have this 55% | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
majority against it. And the SNP want to talk about other | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
things because they know that they actually are more in tune | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
with the views of the Scottish people on social policy, | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
on Europe, on social justice, There has always been | :20:17. | :20:18. | |
tactical voting here. But this time it may | :20:19. | :20:27. | |
have a radically different effect Labour is in a terrible, | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
terrible position. The weakest I have | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
ever seen the party. I think what is happening is that | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
people are saying, well, another independence referendum, | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
you know, we don't want that. We don't want to wrangle | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
over this question, And so what is happening | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
is they are voting Conservative because they have positioned | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
themselves clearly, clearly as the party that will fight | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
against another referendum. If the Conservatives | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
are going to take any seats from the Nationalists, | :21:00. | :21:01. | |
this one, Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk, | :21:02. | :21:03. | |
is first on the hit list. I am in Hawick though, | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
and here is the conundrum. This was once the centre | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
of the textile industry, but a combination of automation | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
and globalisation has decimated Hawico is a family firm founded | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
in the town in 1874. It makes luxury cashmere | :21:19. | :21:28. | |
clothing which is exported Brexit is by far and | :21:29. | :21:30. | |
away the biggest issue Scottish independence, | :21:31. | :21:39. | |
all the uncertainty that we have with all that are our | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
single biggest issues. While the view of the management | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
might be clear, there are some I have never voted Tory | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
in my life and I have But this time I'm going to vote Tory | :21:53. | :22:00. | |
because I voted to come out, I voted to stay together, | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
so I have to vote Tory. They say that Ruth Davidson has | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
detoxified the Tories. But I'm not really wanting another | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
referendum because we have had the result already and I think | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
they're just sort Alistair Moffat farms just | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
a few miles from here. He feels the apparent conundrum | :22:21. | :22:28. | |
of this election particularly Because we are a frontier people | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
and have been for a thousand years, we do not see the frontier people | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
on the other side of the Tweed People want to stay | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
in the British union, To avoid another unnecessary | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
referendum, as they see it. But also the Conservatives are | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
apparently embracing hard Brexit. And many people here do not want out | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
of the European Union. In rural England a seat like this | :22:56. | :23:03. | |
would have been safe Tory territory. But for years even before | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
the rise of the SNP, this was a liberal rather | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
than a Conservative stronghold. It will be here where we discover | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
whether Ruth Davidson has done enough to detoxify the Tories north | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
of the border. What would a Conservative land | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
grab in Scotland mean Nicola Sturgeon surprised many | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
by using the backdrop of Brexit to call for a second referendum | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
earlier this year. But could May have outmanoeurvered | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
her with her snap election? And if so, what would | :23:37. | :23:38. | |
the SNP do next? Well, I caught up earlier this | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
evening with the party's former I asked him what he would | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
regard as a mandate This election will not | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
decide independence. Independence will be | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
decided in a referendum. That is the established policy | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
of the Scottish National Party. This election will decide | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
whether the decisions about Scotland's future should | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
remain in Scotland's hands. These are decisions to be made | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish people, | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
not to be dictated And that is what an SNP victory | :24:08. | :24:09. | |
in this election will reinforce. You asked me what would | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
happen if the SNP... Can I just say that | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
unlike the rather presumptuous vainglorious announcements | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
from the Conservative Party about what they're going to win, | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
the SNP have never taken a single So we will let | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
the electorate decide. You talk about Ruth Davidson saying | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
it is a vainglorious boast to take Gordon, | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
your own seat. But you have said things like, | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
independence is inevitable, Well, to say that independence, | :24:44. | :24:45. | |
there is a movement of Scottish politics towards independence, | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
that is as certain as anything can That is not the same thing as saying | :24:52. | :24:54. | |
I'm going to overturn a 20,000 No, but you got a 6500 majority | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
in the last general election. I had a 20,000 majority over | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
the Conservative Party. I mean, the Tories have this always | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
extending list of seats I'm merely saying that | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
in the north-east of Scotland and in the borders of Scotland, | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
and in any common-sense area of Scotland, the people who make | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
vainglorious boasts before an election can often be brought | :25:20. | :25:27. | |
down to earth with a large bump. You could say that you would be | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
making a vainglorious boast between a second independence | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
referendum because you have said, independence is inevitable, | :25:34. | :25:35. | |
it is just generational. My belief has always been that once | :25:36. | :25:37. | |
the key decision was to establish the Scottish Parliament, | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
once the Scottish Parliament was established, then it would | :25:44. | :25:45. | |
increase and enhance its powers over That was a process which was as near | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
inevitable as anything I have always said the exact timing | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
of when that happens and how that happens, | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
that is for political debate and for I may say the destination | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
is what is set. The route and the number of stops | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
you have on the way, But that is interesting, | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
you say the destination is set. So what you are essentially saying | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
is the Scottish people could deliver no message at this general election | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
which would indicate that they do not want a second | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
independence referendum, No, the Scottish people, | :26:21. | :26:22. | |
my whole basis and being in politics What I am saying is once we | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
established the Scottish Parliament, and we are sitting here not far | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
from Linlithgow and the late Tam Dalyell stayed in the Binns | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
a few minutes from here. And Tam and I disagreed on many, | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
many things in politics, about the establishment | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
of a Scottish Parliament. But the one thing we agreed | :26:46. | :26:47. | |
on is once you have established a national parliament of Scotland, | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
it would over a period of time accrue the powers and become | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
an independent parliament. The people decide the timetable, | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
they decide when that happens. Two years ago the SNP got half | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
the vote in the general election. If that figure is significantly | :27:01. | :27:08. | |
lower in this election, are you saying that irrespective | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
of how they voted on Brexit, No, what I'm saying is the SNP | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
will go into this election looking for every vote and every possible | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
constituency, striving hard And you judge the winning | :27:24. | :27:25. | |
of an election by the party that gets the most seats | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
and the most votes. And you do not take | :27:32. | :27:33. | |
anything for granted. But if the direction of travel, | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
can I just ask, is the direction of travel in this election, | :27:36. | :27:43. | |
if Ruth Davidson moves and takes a number of seats including perhaps, | :27:44. | :27:45. | |
first of all, Berwickshire, which is a very, very | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
slender majority. Or Gordon, yes, because in fact | :27:49. | :27:49. | |
if they tactically voted against you on the same turnout, | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
on the same percent Why would they not | :27:56. | :27:57. | |
tactically vote against I saw an interesting figure | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
in the polls a couple of weeks ago. It did not ask how people | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
were voting, it looked at the parties and said, | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
do you like this party? 53% of people in | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
Scotland like the SNP. The figure for the | :28:11. | :28:12. | |
Conservative Party was 24%. But you have not got over | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
the 50% hurdle for a second I'm interested in the fact that | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
you will go for a second independence referendum no matter | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
what the result of this election is. No, the mandate for the second | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
referendum was last year. The decision on what happens at this | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
election is a matter But you judge whether you win | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
or lose an election by winning And on that criteria | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
the Scottish National Party have won every major election | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
in Scotland since 2010. I'm joined here by the fireside | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
by elections supremo and psephologist John Curtice, | :28:43. | :28:53. | |
who crunches the numbers at the University of Strathclyde, | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
and by Alex Massie, Scotland editor Alex Salmond is right that they have | :28:56. | :29:10. | |
the mandate for a second referendum. But is there anything that could | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
alter the thinking of that? Not for the SNP. In a technical sense or | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
factual sense if you prefer the SNP already have their mandate for a | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
second referendum, authorising the Scottish Government, that vote was | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
passed a few weeks ago. But politics is not just about facts and | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
technicalities and hitherto the SNP have done well covered lies in on a | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
sense of inevitability and the momentum is with them that the are | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
of national aberration if you like is at hand. If they were to lose | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
seats in this election that would check that momentum. It will remain | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
the largest party, but they will see a setback, which will embolden | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
conservatives who think we can push this further down the line. | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
The suits Ruth Davidson makes this about unionism? Ever since the | :30:08. | :30:17. | |
referendum of 2014, the constitutional question has been the | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
seat of Scottish politics, and this election is simply a continuation of | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
that process. The truth is, what has happened is not so much SNP support | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
has gone down that heavily, but rather that the Conservative Party | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
has become much more successful at bringing the Unionist vote in, and | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
essentially it is taking votes from the Labour Party. The other thing | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
which is true is the SNP is defending a quite remarkable base. | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
50% of the vote, 56 out of 59 seats, difficult to beat, and the | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
difficulty for the SNP in particular is you can see what happened in last | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
year's Scottish parliament election. Here on the border with England, up | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
in the north-east, and so on. The Liberal Democrat equally picking off | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
places like Fife north-east and Edinburgh West. And therefore the | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
SNP are finding that the anti-SNP vote is congregating against | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
particular parties. And of course there is this idea that we have | :31:23. | :31:28. | |
always had tactical voting but there are particular areas where it looks | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
as if the best candidate, the Unionist candidate, will be the one | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
in certain areas for example Edinburgh. Yes, I think we can | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
expect to see a nonaggression pact between Unionist parties in | :31:47. | :31:48. | |
Edinburgh which could if everything fell their way leave Edinburgh like | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
Berlin, divided into four zones. You would have the Liberal Democrats in | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
Edinburgh West, Tories in the south-west, Labour in Edinburgh | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
South and the SNP would be the largest group. Whether that actually | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
happens, a lot needs to go right for the Unionist parties for that | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
transpire, but it is possible, and we see a breakdown in tribalism, | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
particularly amongst Conservative voters who are happy to endorse a | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
Labour Liberal Democrat candidate if that's candidate is the person best | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
place to defeat the SNP, because you are either on team SNP, or team | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
anti-SNP in Scotland. But one of the big Scottish stories may well be | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
that what happens to Labour after this election, we don't know the | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
result is yet but there are certainly questions about whether | :32:37. | :32:38. | |
Corbyn should even be in the election literature. That party is | :32:39. | :32:46. | |
only defending one seat, and above South, and it is vulnerable. The | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
Labour Party fell to third yet again as they did further south, but my | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
reading of where we are at, is although the Labour Party is down in | :32:57. | :32:59. | |
Scotland, it is not quite out. It still managed to get a fifth of the | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
vote here, and the gap between them and the Conservatives is still | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
sufficiently narrow that actually the battle for who is going to be | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
the principal party of unionism in Scotland has not yet been won and | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
lost. Ten seconds, does Theresa May have to tread carefully in tone in | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
Scotland? In the long-term, yes. Whitehall, Westminster, Downing | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
Street are very good at next week, next month, but the battle of | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
Scotland will not be decided this year or even next year. This is a | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
matter for five years, ten year down the line. Thank you both very much | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
indeed. Let's hand over now | :33:34. | :33:34. | |
to David Grossman in Stevenage. Welcome to the Cromwell Hotel | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
in old Stevenage, a coaching in since the 16th century and once | :33:39. | :33:46. | |
the home of Oliver Cromwell's One secret nobody knows yet | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
is where this seat is heading It's currently Conservative, | :33:50. | :33:56. | |
but If Jeremy Corbyn can take it back, history suggests | :33:57. | :34:04. | |
he should be on course to win the election, | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
it's around 50 on any ARCHIVE NEWSREEL: Where better | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
to recapture the spirit of these ventures than at Stevenage, | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
Hertfordshire, where in the town centre, known as phase one | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
of the overall plan... A new town to help solve Britain's | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
post-war housing problems. The new A1 motorway and aerospace | :34:17. | :34:24. | |
jobs gave it a futuristic feel. It was the sort of place | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
Harold Wilson had high hopes for. The Britain that is going to be | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
forged in the white heat The answer to that is rather rude | :34:36. | :34:37. | |
to a minority of people... In 1964, a young hopeful | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
Shirley Williams became MP for the area, although boundary | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
changes mean it is a Since the seat of Stevenage | :34:48. | :34:49. | |
was created, whichever party has won here has gone | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
on to win the country. The victory of millionaire | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
Blairite Barbara Follett in 1997 was emblematic | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
of New Labour's triumph. At the last general election, | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
the Conservatives got 44.5% of the vote, with Labour | :35:12. | :35:13. | |
ten points behind. The Conservative majority of a shade | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
under 5000 votes may seem like a big enough mountain for Labour to scale | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
on its own, but consider this. At the last general election, | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
Ukip polled 6,800 votes here, and many of them could now | :35:29. | :35:30. | |
be in play. And according to the most | :35:31. | :35:37. | |
authoritative academic analysis, this area, Stevenage, | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
voted strongly to leave the EU. Another straw in the wind that | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
will make Labour sweat, as last week's local elections | :35:46. | :35:47. | |
Labour start of the night with five of the six Stevenage seats | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
on Hertfordshire County Council. By morning they had lost three | :35:53. | :35:54. | |
to the Conservatives. Now although Stevenage is home | :35:55. | :36:04. | |
to plenty of London commuters - it's just 25 minutes on the train | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
to Kings Cross - it's certainly not Lots of companies and | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
organisations do business here. Among them is the wine society, | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
a cooperative that's been making its members happy | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
by the bottle or Where better to assemble a group | :36:19. | :36:20. | |
of politically-engaged residents who have all at one time to voted | :36:21. | :36:29. | |
labour to taste test the current The wine society provided us | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
with some politically themed wines. The first item on our | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
agenda was to pick one That is going to be | :36:41. | :36:42. | |
hard to beat, I think. I'm very glad to say it | :36:43. | :36:54. | |
has got a screw top. I suppose if you were to put me | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
on the line I would probably be I would be fairly central | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
and you could argue may be leaning slightly to the right, | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
but I'm open to listening And seeing as to whether that is | :37:07. | :37:08. | |
the man I want to vote for. In the past I have mainly voted | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
either Liberal Democrat or green. Probably as I have got | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
older I have changed. I have been a Labour voter, I have | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
been a Liberal Democrat voter. I have probably veered a lot more | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
towards the Liberal Democrats. How do you view the Labour Party | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
at the moment, do you see them as someone you might be | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
giving your vote I view the Labour Party as a lot | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
of very different people who have I do not think we should | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
see the Labour Party We are a large group who have come | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
together and band together with the common aim to achieve | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
what we want. I am suspending my decision | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
until I know a bit more But at the moment for me it is very | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
much a leadership election. To be absolutely honest with you, | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
for the longest time I did not, I was one of these people | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
who did not pay much It is only within the past few years | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
where I have noticed how it is affecting the people around me | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
that I have taken And I'm now a fully paid-up | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
member of the Labour Party because Jeremy Corbyn actually | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
grabbed hold of me, as it And those things that | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
I was unhappy about, How do you feel about | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
the Labour Party at this election, are they somebody you might end | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
up voting for? I would not dream whatsoever | :38:38. | :38:39. | |
of voting for the Labour Party as it He may well have, you know, | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
great qualities in Jeremy Corbyn, I think the country need somebody | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
that has gravitas. I think the country needs | :38:48. | :38:49. | |
somebody that can actually I think the Shadow Cabinet | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
is something at the moment that I could not entertain voting for, | :38:53. | :39:00. | |
whether it is John McDonnell, all I think of the front bench team | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
do not have anything that gives me any belief that what | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
they say, I can believe. I think we would be a laughing | :39:13. | :39:14. | |
stock on the world stage. What is going to inform your | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
vote at this election? The focus on our services | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
within the country. I know there is a whole big talk | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
about Brexit and it seems to be an election about Brexit | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
at the minute. You have got the Conservatives | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
saying they are the ones that are going to push for it | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
were the other parties would not. But I feel we are losing track | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
of the services around our local towns and the country and the NHS | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
and things like that. So that is going to be | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
what is important for me. I voted to leave because I | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
think Europe is a con. I didn't vote because there | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
are too many people coming It is a bosses club and I'm | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
not a boss so I didn't If you go into negotiation you need | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
to have a clear idea of what you want and what you're | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
trying to achieve. And what you do not want is being | :40:07. | :40:08. | |
undermined by your own party And I have not seen much evidence | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
of that up until now. I would like to pick up something | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
that Charlie said earlier on, that's actually the general election | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
is not all about Brexit. Brexit is important, | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
but if we are not careful we will lose sight of all the other | :40:24. | :40:25. | |
things that we actually need But Brexit, we have a job to do, | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
we need somebody that's And somebody that actually has a job | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
and gets on and does it. And Theresa May, do you think | :40:35. | :40:42. | |
she has leadership qualities? I think you certainly know | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
what she wants to achieve and I think she certainly has more | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
of the support of party than for Again this five or six weeks I think | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
is the chance to show what they're trying to achieve and how they're | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
going to do it. That was our own, I should say | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
unscientific gathering of voters. There is another month until polling | :41:01. | :41:09. | |
day so everything remains in play even if the polls suggest | :41:10. | :41:11. | |
it's all over. That's it from here, | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
let's go 200 miles back up the A1 While we have been on air, it has | :41:17. | :41:34. | |
emerged that President Trump has sacked James Komi, the director of | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
the FBI, apparently on the advice of Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Mark | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
Urban is back in the studio in London and joins us now. How did | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
this newsbreak? Remarkably, about half an hour go from the White House | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
press secretary Sean Spicer. The correspondence was then released. | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
President Trump sending a letter to director Komi saying he had been | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
terminated, and in a typical Trump fashion, thanking him for saying he | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
wasn't a subject of the investigation into his campaigns | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
Russia ties, and putting the onus on his Attorney General. That put the | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
onus on the deputy Attorney General, who actually said the director of | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
the FBI was being fired because he had declared Hillary Clinton to be | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
in the clear last summer on the e-mail saga, and that shouldn't have | :42:28. | :42:35. | |
been done by an FBI director, said the deputy Attorney General. Where | :42:36. | :42:44. | |
does this leave the FBI? Locked, as you can see, in this battle with the | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
Justice Department, whoever succeeds, there is this trial going | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
on, it is a bureaucratic trough of dominance, the Justice Department | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
plays that role of the Director of Public Prosecutions, in this country | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
they decide these things. At this incredibly sensitive time when the | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
FBI is investigating allegations of ties between President Trump's | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
campaign and Russian intelligence, and there is also the whole | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
political background to this. People on all sides of this has been | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
blaming James Comey. Hillary Clinton blamed him for flip-flopping on the | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
e-mails issued just before the election. An extraordinary crisis | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
really leaving big questions for whoever takes the helm at the FBI | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
about how they keep the Russia investigation credible. Mark, thank | :43:33. | :43:39. | |
you. I dare say we will have more on that tomorrow, but that is it for | :43:40. | :43:41. | |
tonight. In case you didn't know, | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
today was the first day of nominations if you want to stand | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
as a candidate in You have till Thursday at 4pm | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
to make your intentions known We dug up a little guide to how | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
in the Pathe library which we feel hasn't dated | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
at all since it was made in 1950. Any potential candidate must be | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
a British subject over 21 and sponsored by ten voters | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
in the district. He must deliver his nomination | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
papers to the returning officer and deposit ?150 in cash as proof | :44:12. | :44:13. | |
of his serious intention. This is a precaution against | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
the waste of public time and money. Freak candidates are dissuaded | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
by this deposit, because the money is forfeited if the candidate fails | :44:25. | :44:26. | |
to poll more than one eighth Let us think before we vote, | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
and if you can't think, But in fact, few independent | :44:30. | :44:36. | |
candidates are freaks. Often they are well | :44:37. | :44:46. | |
known public figures. For example, Commander | :44:47. | :44:47. | |
Stephen King-Hall. Good evening. The skies are clear, | :44:48. | :45:05. | |
it is turning chilly. The good news is that Wednesday is looking | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
beautiful across most of the UK, but it will be a chilly start. These are | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
the temperatures first thing on Wednesday in city centres. These | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
temperatures just outside of town, enough for some grass frost in rural | :45:20. | :45:26. | |
areas. Mind the sunshine, it is strong this time of year, just as | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
strong as it is in July, so you might burn if you are out for a | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
lengthy period of time. There will be cloud around in northern parts of | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
Scotland, but other than that it is looking like a stunning afternoon, | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
and a fine evening on the way as well, Wednesday night into Thursday. | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
Then it is all change from Thursday onwards, we are anticipating thicker | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
cloud drifting in from the south-west and we will start to see | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
the cloud building, showers affecting southern counties, some of | :45:57. | :45:58. | |
them moving into Wales and the Midlands, but most of them should be | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
light, many of us with a dry and sunny day again on Thursday, with | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
humidity rising, and you will notice that certainly by the time we get to | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
Friday, it will feel close, and there is a risk of some | :46:14. | :46:15. | |
thunderstorms developing almost anywhere across England and Wales. | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
Temperatures despite the cloud and rain will get up to 90 degrees in | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
the south, teams in the North, but | :46:24. | :46:24. |