07/06/2017 Newsnight


07/06/2017

With Evan Davis. On the eve of polling day, the programme travels to Bolton to hear how the general election is playing out in the north of England.


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The last few days of this strange election have been

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But 50 long days ago, a very different campaign began.

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It is a choice between me and Jeremy Corbyn.

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I'll give you the figure in a moment.

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# I'm going to shoot you right down #.

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What's the naughtiest thing you ever did?

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Me and my friends sort of used to run through the fields of wheat.

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The farmers weren't too pleased about that.

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He will find himself alone and naked in the negotiating chamber.

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I think it's a shame the Prime Minister hasn't

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And I don't think seven politicians just arguing amongst themselves

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Corbyn, Corbyn, Corbyn, Corbyn, Corbyn...

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Hello. The talking is over.

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The election is imminent, you get your say at last.

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And, for our final pre-election campaign reflections,

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we are at the Octagon Theatre in Bolton this evening.

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This is the town where it all started.

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Theresa May came to this relatively marginal seat

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of Bolton North East to start her campaign

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And boy, in doing so, she kicked off yet another

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event in the series of turbulent national votes of recent years.

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This has been an unpredictable, rule-busting campaign

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and one in which many voters appear to have reaffirmed

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a desire for change, and have shown a willingness to

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By coming here, Theresa May put northern English towns

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at the centre of the battle, showering attention on the voters

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who it seemed were fed up, who had voted Brexit and had flirted

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It seems an age ago, but Theresa May came here just after Easter. Back

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then, you'd have guessed that people want a bit of calm anded that her

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favourite phrase would be a winner. At the time, in places like this

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Bolton, it seemed Labour support could ebb away. But, after a slow

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start things began to change more in this campaign than anyone could have

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imagined. The Labour recovery began. The volatile voter phenomenon was

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back. After a dull first half, the fight became interesting. Perhaps

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most remarkable has been the apparent reemergence of two party

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politics. The old beasts the Tory and Labour Party have have each in

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their own way adapted to life in the era of populism and discontent.

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Theresa May wanted to kill Ukip and has yielded some ground to it.

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Jeremy Corbyn has populous elements in his programme. Neither party

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bears much resemblance to their 2015 incarnation. Both parties realise

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something is afoot and our clumsy old system has somehow managed to

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evolve. So how do the voters of Bolton see things now? Today, I

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visited a factory that makes disposable chamber pots for the NHS

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and export. I think it's unfair to finish university with so much

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prosperity, things you want to do with your life. You have massive

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debt hanging over you. Have trouble to get on property ladder. Have you

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been surprised there is so much, kind of, pick up to the Corbyn

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message during this campaign? I'm very surprised. Particularly, given

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the circumstances the country is in now and the things that are

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happening that Corbyn is doing so well. Is something afoot, do you

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think? Yes. The same with Brexit. People voted for change. You have to

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be careful. You can't just vote for change. You have to look at the

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policies and how they are going to move forward. You can't just vote

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for change. Are you optimistic? I'm probably more optimistic that Corbyn

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is making a late race only in that the fact that somebody who was so

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unfancied can now be closing in the polls, shakes up the political

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establishment. Shakes up the establishment? Yes. People can no

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longer think I can go with the policies. If Theresa May gets in she

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will have to think about how she structures her Government to ensure

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they she captures some of that unrest that has been seen. OK. You

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might not be surprised that many young workers in manufacturing end

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up supporting Labour. You won't find the same from older members of the

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local golf club. However, the surprising thing at this club is

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that while they won't vote for Mr Corbyn, they think he has a point or

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two. I think we all admire the principles that Jeremy Corbyn is

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putting across. Of course. You admire the principles Jeremy Corbyn

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put across? Exactly. You are all voting Tories you admire The

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principles. Some. We are senior people. We look back at on our life

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and look at what we had and how the community functioned. If you are

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from London there are plenty of opportunities. If you are from

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anywhere in the north of England, not just the north-west, you would

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fall back on, say, manufacturing. There is no manufacturing. So to

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reintroduce manufacturing back into the country post-Brexit would be an

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excellent things thing. It opens up the door for lots of opportunities.

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You look at his principles, yeah, you can't argue with them. Do you

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agree with that, Lorraine? I do. He has basically Labour principles,

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used to be, but he's too far - I don't agree with how he's so

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passive. We've got to stick up for yourself in this world. You can't

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let people ride rough shot over you. His views are the views of what

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everybody irrespective of what your political allegiance is, I think the

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views are what we all want. We all want them. But I don't think he can

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deliver them. It is a time when the country seems unusually divided and,

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yet, there does still seem to be a widely shared desire for some

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changing of the economic rules. It I ma be that the election contest is

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about who can best rise to the challenge.

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Well, two politicians from this area are with me at the Octagon Theatre.

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Yasmin Qureshi for Labour, was Shadow Justice Secretary

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And Nigel Evans for the Conservatives, and who has been

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Good evening to you both. Thank you. Now then, do you find in this area

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people are desperate for change or do they want stability? Your

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campaign was all about stability. Yours is more about change. What is

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it they want the thirst for change, we will start with you, Yasmin? Yes

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there is. For too long people feel they are not getting anything out of

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society. So, for example, you know, owning a home is difficult. Young

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people are leaving with mass i debts. Not being able to get on to

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the property ladder. Older people are are worried about what is

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happening to them. Also parents or people with children who are worried

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about classroom sizes, education. I sents sense there is a need for

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change. Right. Nigel, people voted for change in the Brexit referendum.

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You supported them in that. I certainly did to. The same thirst

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for change. Maybe saying we want more radical people than Theresa

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May? It depends what the change is. Brexit was the change in the

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north-west of England. What is the change here? Well, there's 11 seats

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in the north-west we are looking at with majorities of fewer than 5,000.

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Theresa May has been up here several times in the north-east and the

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north-west of England and she's come up here, not just for health, there

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are target seats here. Is it going to change? I mean, is she going to

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take loads of seats? Nigel first and Yasmin? All I can tell you, I

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visited seven seats during the general election campaign. It may be

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a snap election, it's been a long campaign, hasn't it. We are all

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grateful it's the eve of poll. I've heard the same thing time and time

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again, which is this - I voted Labour in the past, I've been Labour

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all my life, I'm not voting Labour this time. The one reason - Jeremy

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Corbyn. It's because they don't think that he is a proper Leader of

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the Labour Party. Theresa May's goal was to redraw the map of politics in

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England. Is she going to, Yasmin? No, she's going to. He had a false

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premise to start the election on the basis she needs more people to help

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her do Brexit. When the Labour Party, the official opposition,

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supported triggering Article 50 TB, it was a ruse she saw herself in

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opinion polls going ahead. I can walk this election. She is not going

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to. I will tell you why. When she came to Bolton she came in a

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helicopter answered and went to a private meeting. That does not

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impress people in the north. In this campaign - Isn't that true. Yeah,

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for ease of travel. You know why people do what they do. Jeremy and

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has been using buses. He has been using trains. Today, for example, he

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travelled from Glasgow down to London, 500 mile journey shechl was

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in a private jet. I hope it's a private jet made in the north-west

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of England. I will pose this one question to you. I thought Evan

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posed them. I'm interested in this. I've looked at a number of Labour

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leaflets in the north-west of England over the past six weeks, if

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Jeremy was such an amazing leader, one that I have to say your own MP

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colleagues have tried to get rid of, why have so many Labour candidates

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not mentioned Jeremy Corbyn on the leaflets Mrs May hasn't mentioned

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the conservation it's all about me, strong and stable. I will put a

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curse on both your houses. Large parts of the north of England,

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sections of Bolton neglected that have been left to run down. Both

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your parties have failed the north of England to some extent, haven't

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they? What you have seen, through the Brexit vote, through other forms

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of protest vote, you have seen people say - we want to be listened

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to in parts of the country like this. A protest against you both?

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With the manifesto we produced in the Labour Party, it's a fantastic

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manifesto, we talk about investment. We talk about banks. I asked about

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your record though. Will you concede you had made a mistake and have let

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things drift too much in parts of the country? In the Labour Party,,

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when it was in Government, we had real expenditure, invested in the

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country. Invested in our hospitals, education and our schools. We

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created jobs. OK. I don't think that we left the north-west behind. You

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don't. It was all fine until the Tories got in in 2010? No, I'm not

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saying that. There is a big change taking place. The current Labour

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Party manifesto taps into that and recognises the fact that there needs

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to be a change. I will concede there are pockets of def prevagus

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throughout the whole of the north-west of England. There are

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people there who feel nobody has been listening to them they are the

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just managing people and those who are hardly managing at all. They are

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the ones who I think are looking - they voted Brexit. They are the ones

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looking to the opportunities that leaving the European Union is going

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to give to areas like the north-west of England. That's why I'm really

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pleased we will have a trade commissioner for the north-west

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going out there to win contracts and creating jobs in the north-west. You

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managed to make a bit of your own party pitches at the end there.

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Thank you both very much indeed. I wonder if the last day

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of a campaign makes much difference? You'd think most minds have been

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made up but there is also the small matter of exciting the voters enough

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to make them turn out tomorrow, so certainly the candidates behave

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as if the last day matters. Theresa May was in London, Norwich,

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Southampton and the West Midlands. Tim Farron was in Solihull,

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St Albans and Twickenham. And Jeremy Corbyn was leading

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multiple rallies across the country. Our political editor, Nick Watt,

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spent his last day of the campaign, With the clock ticking down

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to that brief moment voters take charge,

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Jeremy Corbyn is in his element. A ripple of Corbynmania could be

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heard across the country today. As the Labour leader visited

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Scotland, England and here in Wales. As a train buff, Jeremy Corbyn

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naturally travelled I think some people go

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around in private jets, On his train travels over the past

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month-and-a-half, Jeremy Corbyn has At the start, he occasionally

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struggled to enthuse voters. who sometimes had other matters

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on their minds as Theresa May enjoyed sky high ratings,

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and then the Tories had The Tory party thought it was going

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to be a walk in the park, in the park, they just thought -

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we're in a lovely park They just thought a walk

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in the park, what have We've got something very

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important to offer here. And so the crowds have turned out

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with similar chants and "I love JC" Just like this rally

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on the North Wales coast So another great reception

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for Jeremy Corbyn. Here in Colwyn Bay he's

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at the halfway point of his tour Most of the seats he's visiting

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are not held by Labour. The signal he's trying to send

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is that he's reaching across. We know he can attract

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these sorts of crowds, the big challenge is -

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can he translate them into The tetchy Corbyn of old has

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mellowed and as he laps Friends say Jeremy Corbyn has

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relaxed into this election campaign. They talk of how he's

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rekindled the spirit If he wins this general election,

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which he would do comfortably if he won seats like this one here,

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it would be the most remarkable journey from a fringe figure

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in the Labour Party to Number Ten Even if he loses though,

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this general election campaign will have transformed his fortunes

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in the Labour Party and make it much more difficult

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for his opponents to dislodge him. In fact, this campaign has

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fired up his loyal guard. I was never into politicses

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because I never thought politicians were like normal

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people, until now. And Labour supporters,

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who originally had doubts I actually backed Andy Burnham

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in the leadership election. However, for me, the idealism

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of Corbyn is not just We can put these

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policies into practice. At the end of a gruelling day,

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hopping on and off trains, Jeremy Corbyn ended his campaign

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this evening close to his backyard, Whatever the result tomorrow,

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he believes he has changed the face Well, Nick is now at the site

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of the last Corbyn event, that rally in Islington,

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in North London. Nick, we should try to get the mood

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of both camps, let's start with Labour, what are they feeling this

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evening. It isn't every day that you've your poetry at a political

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campaign event but Jeremy Corbyn brought the Labour campaign to an

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end at the union Chapel in Islington by quoting Shelley, Ye are many,

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they feel so we know where he got his slogan from, I sense this ends

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the Labour camp in contented mood after Jeremy Corbyn exceeded

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expectations in his campaign. But they can read the polls like

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everyone else and the point to a clear Conservative win in this

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election. So I sense a mood in the Labour camp that whatever the result

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they believe Jeremy Corbyn will have changed the face of British politics

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in this campaign. His aides talk about how they have shifted the

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centre ground, that Labour manifesto with serious spending commitments,

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they say that went down very well so Labour can be a much bolder. If

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Jeremy Corbyn pulls this off he will have changed the face of British

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politics. If he doesn't, I think it is fair to say he may well have

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cemented his position within the party. And what are the

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conservatives feeling, presumably they have looked at the polls. Sends

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a much calmer mood among Conservative ministers after a

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fretful few weeks. They acknowledge the campaign has not been a glorious

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success but say that in recent weeks the mood and a reception on the

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doorstep has been much better than recent polls suggest. But there our

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nerves. Their heads say, all should be fine but in their hearts, they

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say, whose Brexit, who saw Donald Trump? One minister said to me,

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look, Jeremy Corbyn has been the dominant figure in this campaign

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which will help Labour in some aspects. But those ministers believe

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ultimately it will benefit them. This is what one nervous minister

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told me this evening. Whatever evidence piles up in our favour, it

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is still going to be a heart stopping moment at 10pm tomorrow

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night when the exit poll comes out. Nick, thank you very much.

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It's been quite a year for Theresa May.

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She seemed to exude a quiet authority in the aftermath

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of the referendum - in contrast to the bickering boys

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in her party who were scrapping it out for the top job.

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There was a lot of goodwill, as she embarked on a mission

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to recast her party away from the posh, to the ordinary.

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To rebuild Tory Britain in a post Brexit environment.

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But while she deftly positioned the party in a place that looked

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like it might own 80% of the political spectrum,

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she has not proved as deft at communicating.

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The election has evidently exposed a certain brittleness

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I suppose we'll find out which matters more -

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the strategy, or the ability to inspire in words.

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But we asked The Times writer Matthew Parris,

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an independent-minded Conservative supporter, to make a film,

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offering his view of Theresa May and her politics.

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Theresa May will not be the first Conservative Prime Minister to have

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travelled from a comfortable childhood in leafy rural

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England to the sooty brick hell of Downing Street.

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But the speed with which this has happened leaves an electorate

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still trying to colour in an almost blank picture of the character,

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I've met her, I've dined with her, I've discussed politics with her,

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but I still don't feel I know who Theresa May really

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In this film, we've set out to talk to people who've known her or worked

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with her at different times in her life, in search of what lies

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behind the steely gaze of the Sphinx of Maidenhead.

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At Oxford, she didn't join the posh set.

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As a friend she still keeps up with, Pat Frankland, explains.

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I think we were a little bit of a gang.

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One of my friends described it as a group she joined

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because we were all very normal and we didn't, sort of, stand out,

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Pat says the ultimate ambition had already dawned.

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She was very interested in politics even then,

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and she wanted to be an MP and she seems not to remember it,

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but I'm sure she told us she wanted to be Prime Minister.

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Her systematic approach to getting things done seems

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Well, she had a string of boyfriends and if they...

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well, they seemed to be more on trial I'd say than most things,

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She sometimes seemed to have them overlapping because we'd get kicked

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under the table if we started talking about the wrong film,

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and if it's one she'd seen with another boyfriend,

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she didn't want to go and see it again, when we were

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unfortunate enough to inspire the new boyfriend with it.

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Once Philip came on the scene, that was it, the others all disappeared.

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So it was very, very fast that that was the one.

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And he was very nice, but he seemed quite young.

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Those early dreams of breaking through as a woman in politics

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Baroness Jenkin, who co-founded with Theresa May

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an organisation called Women2Win, a Conservative Party project

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to increase the number of female Tory MPs, told me she carries

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on helping, pitching in with energy, but a kind

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One or two people have said that she has quite a kind

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But at the same time, very professionally.

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She wouldn't get emotionally involved with them.

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But I was struck earlier this year, when I was talking

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about her on something, and a woman came, wrote to me,

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and said, I've still got the letter, framed letter, that she wrote me

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So I think she was very well aware that for a lot of women, you know,

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the resilience that she has needs to be encouraged in others

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and I think that she was, you know, very much trying to give some

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of these women, not exactly backbone, but the kind

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Both colleagues and journalists seem to agree that she's generally

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content to let her work speak for itself.

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Well, my first impression of her was as a journalist and I've

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always rather admired the fact that Theresa May never wanted

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Actually, a lot of journalists found it very difficult

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because they could never get a story out of her.

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And I came to believe she's a very rare politician

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And I think that's quite an advantage.

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Well, I'm by nature a bit of a gossip and a bit of a,

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you know, I like a chat at the end of the day.

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I mean, she was, as I say, highly professional,

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but there was no - OK, let's kick our shoes off and,

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Is she personally, socially an easy colleague?

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She's funnier than her public image, sort of, suggests.

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On a car journey she's very good company,

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Nick Clegg, as Deputy Prime Minister, when Theresa May

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was Home Secretary, was never personally close, but he

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Unlike Sir Eric, he believes he spotted an early insecurity.

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My recollection is of someone who felt slightly overwhelmed

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by what she was being asked to do in the Home Office.

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When we announced all these highly controversial savings,

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there was something, sort of, especially meticulous,

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but slightly unsure as well about the way that she,

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sort of, pored over all the numbers in Number Ten.

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How about her emerging political philosophy, had Thatcher

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I don't know why not, though she was quite irritated

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Pipped to the post, I'm sure I remember that.

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I think Margaret always seemed quite harsh towards the common

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people, and I don't think Theresa would like that.

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But if she wasn't exactly a Thatcherite, what was she?

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She was meticulous about the trees, but how about the wood?

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Nick Clegg thinks she took refuge in detail and found her

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reluctant to talk alone without special advisers.

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I asked her not to bring the special advisers

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with her into the meetings that I used to have

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found it all rather disrupt, but I did find that,

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as a result, I could never get a decision out of her

:25:50.:25:52.

in the meetings because she'd have to go back and sort of,

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I assume, test her ideas and test my suggestions

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The most striking thing of all is how little she said or how

:25:58.:26:03.

little she displayed much interest in wider political issues.

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I don't think, I don't think I can recall a single instance,

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either in private meetings with her or in private conversations

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with her or around the Cabinet table, where she ever said anything

:26:15.:26:18.

interesting about or of interest in our economy.

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I think she has a major weakness, which is she's not very interested

:26:23.:26:30.

in business and she doesn't understand business terribly well,

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I suspect and I think neither does her inner circle.

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I think this, as we head into Brexit, will be a major issue.

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She needs to get an awful lot more sophisticated about giving

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I think in terms of, sort of, an organising vision for society,

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I'm not really persuaded there is much there.

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I offer myself as your Prime Minister.

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And if they are right and she lacks an organising vision, does she

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I asked Camilla Cavendish about those recent

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The manifesto promise on social policy for instance.

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I imagine that what will have happened is yes, she will have been

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pretty nervous about the reaction, that Lynton Crosby will have told

:27:24.:27:26.

her to get the barnacles off the boat, because it was becoming a

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distraction in the campaign, and she has backed down.

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That suggests to me that she may not have been as

:27:32.:27:34.

committed to the policy in the first place as I had assumed.

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Because to push a policy like that through you

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Intelligence comes in so many forms and perhaps general phrases about

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intellect are meaningless but I asked Anne Jenkin anyway.

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I mean, she's not obviously brilliant

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but she has a good enough mind to have got to Oxford at a time when it

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wasn't very easy, but she has an organised mind and

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I don't think it's a brilliant mind but does that matter?

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And even if Lady Jenkin is right, is it really more

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On the doorstep myself I found that the

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people among whom Theresa May's name really does help a Tory canvasser

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are precisely the kind of people she is always talking about.

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The middle middle classes, the lower middle classes, people who have a

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bit of a struggle, have to look for the next penny

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The people whose problems she thinks she understands better

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Nor should we overlook her moments of

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intellectual daring, too frequent to dismiss as untypical.

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That famous "nasty party" speech for instance, her

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fierce expression of sympathy for black youth.

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If you're black you're treated more harshly by the criminal

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justice system, then if you're white.

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Her visible outrage at what she sees as injustice, like when she

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refused to extradite the hacker Gary McKinnon to the United States.

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Or her astonishing speech laying into the Police

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If the federation does not start to turn itself around, you

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must not be under the impression that the government will let things

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I think if she's not treated with respect, but that

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And I suspect it would annoy you as well.

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Whether Theresa May is respected by those on

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the other side of the table may depend not so much on a majority,

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were she to get it, but her abilities.

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Does she have those negotiating skills?

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I think she has great control in the sense that if she

:30:10.:30:11.

doesn't get her way, she won't necessarily always

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reveal her inner fury but she clearly will not

:30:14.:30:15.

And again that's a strength but it also can be a bit of

:30:16.:30:23.

a weakness if you are having to deploy quicksilver

:30:24.:30:26.

charm and persuade people to do what you want.

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Eric Pickles made a surprising, possibly unintended

:30:43.:30:43.

I always found her very straightforward to deal with,

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providing you told her what you wanted to do

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and you didn't try to get yourself into a negotiation.

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Most people in politics are transactional.

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She is the worst person in the world to do a deal because she'll do

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But if you come to her, in a reasonable way,

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with a reasonable case, nine times out of ten she'll back you.

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Her unwillingness to horse trade was a

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close relative of another Theresa May tactic in meetings and

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Um, what she does do, and she does it with journalists

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as well, is that she uses silence to enormous effect.

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She doesn't always, she is not always

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Now what that means is that other people will fill the gap,

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and that, I think, is quite a useful strategy because she gets an awful

:31:50.:31:53.

One technique that I admired was, she did have the ability, which I

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remember sort of making a mental note that I must try to emulate

:32:03.:32:05.

myself, of just sort of saying no and sitting there and saying

:32:06.:32:08.

It's like, what's the point of having a meeting if you're not

:32:09.:32:13.

If her silence was a strength, I wanted to know her

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While she's lost her air of invincibility in this general

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election campaign, I wanted to know what people

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who knew her thought if

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she were to fall, what would bring her down.

:32:29.:32:30.

I was surprised by their near-unanimity.

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If she was to fail, it might be sometimes the ability to

:32:33.:32:35.

build a coalition inside the party to support.

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Perhaps it would be about not listening to a wide

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variety of voices, that would be my instinct.

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Even one of her oldest friends agrees.

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Do you see any character traits that might trip

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Ahem, possibly her lack of ability to form a gang.

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I don't know how that works with making her Cabinet

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into a team, though I'm told she's quite good to work for in the civil

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service sense, so she may be able to do that well.

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It gets worse as you get older, from my experience anyway!

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Is it her early life that holds the key or do reflections of

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She keeps her personality, her identity almost,

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Whether it's in the silences that act like a moat

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or close advisers, who act like archers firing from the walls,

:33:56.:33:57.

the urge to keep the world out needs explaining.

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You might behave as she does if you absolutely knew what to

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You might behave as she does, if you didn't have a clue.

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We have been out and about in this campaign -

:34:10.:34:24.

not quite as intended, as it happens, as a result of

:34:25.:34:26.

But it is fair to say that every town and city has a perspective

:34:27.:34:31.

and every visit away from home provides an insight.

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So we have brought two members of our election panel

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to Bolton to help us analyse the campaign.

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Polly Mackenzie, former advisor to Nick Clegg and writer

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and columnist and Corbyn supporter, Paul Mason.

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In London is Iain Dale, Tory-supporting LBC presenter.

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We thought we would keep him there away from Paul. Good evening to you

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all. Let us talk about Theresa May. We have had a Theresa May profile

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there. Iain, I want to start with you. When the manifesto came out, on

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this programme, said you didn't think much of the manifesto. I

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wonder what now, as you look back on this campaign, what you think went

:35:03.:35:06.

wrong with the campaign? Well, I think that film from Matthew Parris

:35:07.:35:11.

was absolutely outstanding. It told me things about Theresa May I didn't

:35:12.:35:14.

know. I thought it was really insightful. The problem with the

:35:15.:35:18.

manifesto was that it didn't compete with Labour's in terms of its

:35:19.:35:22.

vision, in terms of its eye-catching policies, in terms of its layout,

:35:23.:35:27.

indeed. There was nothing for Tory canvassers, I said at the time, to

:35:28.:35:30.

go out and sell on the doorstep. Because the social care policy

:35:31.:35:34.

unravelled within a few days, that always left them on the back foot.

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People are still mentioning that even today. To try to pretend that

:35:39.:35:44.

not having a cap and then having a cap wasn't a U-turn was just

:35:45.:35:48.

completely unsustainable. They were always on the back foot from that

:35:49.:35:51.

moment on. I think in the last week, since the Question Time debate, I

:35:52.:35:56.

think Theresa May has recovered her mojo somewhat and has come across in

:35:57.:35:58.

a different way to the previous couple of weeks. Polly, what do you

:35:59.:36:03.

think? What do you think about the Theresa May campaign? It clearly

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hasn't been what they wanted? No, it hasn't been. I think when Theresa

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May's really good is when she's absolutely on top of her brief. When

:36:13.:36:18.

she knows every in and out of. It on police reform, on gender equality

:36:19.:36:22.

she was really forensic on that. The problem with pulling together a

:36:23.:36:26.

manifesto for an entirety of Government in a few short weeks is

:36:27.:36:30.

that it require as lot more nip bellness and the ability to be

:36:31.:36:34.

flexible and get to grips with thing. They threw things in there at

:36:35.:36:38.

the last-minute, let's say something about fox-hunting and social care

:36:39.:36:41.

that looks brave. In the end it became a mish mash. When she's not

:36:42.:36:46.

fully briefed. When she's not in the detail, that is when the mistakes

:36:47.:36:54.

have been made. A fair point. Mr Crosby is supposed to know how to

:36:55.:36:58.

run a campaign? It didn't work in one or two other ones. I have been

:36:59.:37:02.

in the doorstep in constituencies in the north-west today. One thing

:37:03.:37:06.

nobody talks about is Theresa May. It's really interesting. As a Labour

:37:07.:37:11.

canvasser you get - I might not vote, I won't foe vote for you

:37:12.:37:15.

because of corp bin or a policy or people's circumstances change. There

:37:16.:37:19.

is no enthusiasm for her. I think... It's a strategic mistake. I know for

:37:20.:37:27.

a fact she's not - she walked into studios like this where I've been

:37:28.:37:34.

reporting, you have been presented, he she has won't meet a single

:37:35.:37:39.

ordinary person. We could count them on a couple of hands how many - she

:37:40.:37:45.

hasn't exposed herself to that amazing rocky rided that you go -

:37:46.:37:50.

that people like Corbyn go through where you meet real people. I want

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to ask an important question. This is the most important question for

:37:55.:38:00.

the country, perhaps. Is Theresa May better than the campaign has given

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the impression of her being? Many are saying, she hasn't looked good

:38:04.:38:07.

in this campaign. Is that because she isn't good or because the

:38:08.:38:10.

campaign has been rather badly handled, what do you think? She came

:38:11.:38:14.

into office as Prime Minister as a surprise. She wasn't expecting it to

:38:15.:38:17.

happen. It happened. We have nine months to judge her on as Prime

:38:18.:38:21.

Minister. I think she actually did really well in those nine months as

:38:22.:38:24.

Prime Minister. She proved she could doo-doo the job. She didn't come

:38:25.:38:29.

into TV studios every five minutes. Whiches her redcressor did quite a

:38:30.:38:33.

lot. A Prime Ministerial interview had a sense of occasion about that.

:38:34.:38:36.

I think that's probably right. I'm going to take Paul up on what he

:38:37.:38:40.

said, to say she hasn't met normal people during this campaign, of

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course what the TV cameras don't show is when she goes to factories

:38:44.:38:47.

she takes like 20 or 30 questions from the people in the audience.

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They are not always Conservative supporters. They are the people who

:38:51.:38:53.

work in the factories. Jeremy Corbyn in this campaign has been brilliant

:38:54.:38:58.

at attracting massive crowds of enthusiastic supporters. I haven't

:38:59.:39:02.

seen many occasions when he's interacted with normal people. He's

:39:03.:39:09.

done no phone-ins, for example. Paul, answer that point. The factory

:39:10.:39:16.

meetings are prevetted, they should be for security reasons. Let us

:39:17.:39:20.

leave that aside. If the Tories want to go into tomorrow believing

:39:21.:39:24.

Theresa May's invisibility because Jeremy Corbyn hasn't met any real

:39:25.:39:27.

people. Please, carry on, we will be happy for you to take the actions on

:39:28.:39:32.

that belief. Do you think Theresa May, Iain thinks she proved herself

:39:33.:39:38.

over nine months shechl may not be as confident in the campaign as

:39:39.:39:41.

Prime Minister, she's not as good on her feet and campaigning. What do

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you think it is though, do you think the campaign has been, sort of,

:39:45.:39:48.

unfairly... The problem with campaigns is they do require you to

:39:49.:39:51.

be a bit more human and relaxed and much more flexible. On your feet.

:39:52.:39:56.

Thinking very quickly? Exactly. I don't think that's your natural kind

:39:57.:40:01.

of... Does it matter for a Prime Minister. Do you needed to think on

:40:02.:40:05.

your feet or take a bit of time. What we expect you to do when

:40:06.:40:09.

campaigning but... Donald Trump's travel ban, for example, she was

:40:10.:40:13.

criticised for not being able to respond quickly. It took her hours

:40:14.:40:18.

and hours she needed a briefing from every department. That's her

:40:19.:40:22.

weakness. On the flip side of that, her strength is she does take a

:40:23.:40:26.

brief well. She thinks about things before she makes decisions. She's a

:40:27.:40:30.

Bert Prime Minister than she is campaigner. But the question is

:40:31.:40:34.

whether it's going - whether it damaged her leadership and that

:40:35.:40:38.

invisibility. Thank you very much. He we will come back for a longer

:40:39.:40:41.

discussion later. Chris Cook complains where the

:40:42.:40:53.

campaign has been fought and what that tells us. It's fitting that we

:40:54.:40:55.

give Chris one last outing. Can we learn something

:40:56.:41:01.

about what the parties are expecting tomorrow from where their leaders

:41:02.:41:03.

have been campaigning? If there is, the BBC

:41:04.:41:07.

Newsnight campaign tracker So to start, let's return be

:41:08.:41:09.

to a familiar graph. Each dot here represents

:41:10.:41:14.

a constituency where The furthest left seats

:41:15.:41:19.

are the safest Labour seats in 2015, the furthest right ones

:41:20.:41:24.

are the safest Tory seats from 2015. The most marginial ones

:41:25.:41:33.

are the ones in the middle. Looking vertically, the higher up

:41:34.:41:36.

seats are ones where Ukip got Now, these rings mark out

:41:37.:41:39.

where Theresa May has held the campaign visits since the Tory

:41:40.:41:42.

manifesto launch a month ago. more ambitious in her

:41:43.:41:52.

campaigning in areas She goes much further left

:41:53.:41:55.

in the higher Ukip areas, at the top of the chart,

:41:56.:41:59.

than she goes in in the low Ukip areas, at the bottom of the chart am

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can you use this chart to mark out the edges of what the Tories seem

:42:03.:42:06.

to think is possible. I suggest they imply the zone

:42:07.:42:09.

of gains is something like this. They seem to be targeting

:42:10.:42:11.

between around 30 and 50 extra seats Now, Ms May has only been

:42:12.:42:14.

to Scotland a few times, but trips by Ruth Davidson,

:42:15.:42:18.

the Scottish Tory leader, imply they're going for around

:42:19.:42:20.

ten seats up there. So it looks like the Tories

:42:21.:42:23.

are aiming for around Jeremy Corbyn's campaign though

:42:24.:42:25.

suggests something rather different. First, he's going to a lot

:42:26.:42:31.

of very safe Labour seats But that zone where Theresa May's

:42:32.:42:34.

been fighting, not so much. So we can't really easily draw

:42:35.:42:54.

in a similar sort of guesstimate about where he thinks

:42:55.:42:57.

the campaign is. It might be worth joining

:42:58.:42:59.

up a few dots here. So the first thing to note is,

:43:00.:43:01.

local TV news bulletins actually get bigger audiences and are more

:43:02.:43:05.

trusted than the national Secondly, it's worth noting that

:43:06.:43:07.

Mr Corbyn's rallies look Finally, while Mr Corbyn

:43:08.:43:10.

isn't going directly into those Tory target seats,

:43:11.:43:13.

he is going to lots of seats that So that means that images of his

:43:14.:43:17.

energetic, well attended rallies, will be broadcast into the marginals

:43:18.:43:25.

on the local news. This strategy also means he meets

:43:26.:43:28.

lots of party members, as he did tonight which,

:43:29.:43:32.

cynics note, will be a benefit Labour's events are certainly

:43:33.:43:34.

quite hard to read. The Tory intention of making big

:43:35.:43:37.

gains tomorrow though Let's carry on thinking about the

:43:38.:43:40.

campaign. One of the questions that leaps out

:43:41.:43:56.

as you observe the campaign is how politicians should engage

:43:57.:43:59.

with the public. You might have thought

:44:00.:44:01.

we were in for an era of less controlled messaging -

:44:02.:44:04.

hasn't Trump shown that a less buttoned up style

:44:05.:44:05.

of campaigning can appeal? You might have thought

:44:06.:44:07.

that, but this election was often very controlled -

:44:08.:44:09.

security has perhaps made John Sweeney looks at how

:44:10.:44:12.

things have changed. That's to say, if you are a little

:44:13.:44:19.

boy, I'm not a little girl! The art of political theatre,

:44:20.:44:30.

of how to handle hostile heckling Look at these performances

:44:31.:44:33.

by the masters. Within our tightly-controlled

:44:34.:44:41.

and rigidly expended Government expenditure programme

:44:42.:44:43.

for the next five years. We have no plans for

:44:44.:44:46.

expenditure in Vietnam. I saw you at the beginning

:44:47.:44:53.

of the week, you've been What the hell are you using

:44:54.:45:02.

for transport, helicopters? APPLAUSE Half a century on,

:45:03.:45:15.

things are rather different. Back in the day Robert Harris,

:45:16.:45:24.

formerly of Newsnight, reported on how control freakery

:45:25.:45:29.

was ruining British politics. Well, these allegations

:45:30.:45:33.

of a Prime Minister, female Prime Minister,

:45:34.:45:35.

avoiding all contact with journalists and with

:45:36.:45:36.

the public are not new. I mean, terrifyingly,

:45:37.:45:40.

a third of a century ago, as a much younger man,

:45:41.:45:42.

I came at the wrong end of an encounter with

:45:43.:45:45.

Margaret Thatcher who was touring This is what it is like being on the

:45:46.:45:55.

campaign trail with the Prime Minister... Voters everywhere and

:45:56.:46:01.

the work is not interested, it was just to get pictures of her in a

:46:02.:46:04.

factory with new technology. There are hundreds of members of the media

:46:05.:46:08.

who swarm around the Prime Minister, follow their every move and the idea

:46:09.:46:12.

from the Conservatives's point of view is to get the best possible

:46:13.:46:16.

exposure on the TV news that evening. That I think was a

:46:17.:46:21.

break-out, a new kind of election, American-style, copied from Ronald

:46:22.:46:24.

Reagan, where you did not do the monster rally. You didn't go out on

:46:25.:46:30.

the hustings, you just got good pictures of evening news. Back then

:46:31.:46:37.

politics was raw and brutal and much more fun. Mainly I find it helpful

:46:38.:46:44.

to invite them, say, I couldn't hear, say it again, and then they

:46:45.:46:49.

will come back. Even your Conservative leader described were

:46:50.:46:54.

dizzy as a police state. You would not last long there, my friend. --

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road easier. My friend, we do not support Savages, we just allow them

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to come to our meetings, that's all! There he goes, Neil Kinnock. By the

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early 1990s political control of recovery was the new normal. Don't

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let the people who take to the streets take your country. But then

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underdog John major dug out his soapbox from the attic. I caught up

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with him on the Tory campaign. Mr Major, could you video me for my

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video diary? You put the left hand through there. I think this isn't

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true. No, it's working. You can see me. This is a piece to camera. Would

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you mind putting your ties straight, you looks lovely! John Major's

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relative openness is all but gone. Jeremy Corbyn relishes campaigning

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but it would take a brave soul to hackle him. History tells us but

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just because your side loves you does not mean you will win. It was

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noticeable, the difference between Margaret Thatcher's campaign and

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Michael foot's campaign which was huge rallies, once he had 30,000

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people, much good it did him. Just how controlled is the Theresa May

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campaign? It is the flavour of an evangelical meeting, everyone here

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agrees with Saint Theresa but the problem is where is the argument,

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where is the challenge. To be fair reporters say she has been taking

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more questions in the past week but the Sage is not convinced. Something

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is wrong with this election. I think a lot of people feel it, no matter

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what the party is, that is that the Prime Minister in particular is not

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engaging with people and that is an offence to the electorate, it seems

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to me. Control may feel right for the political parties but one cannot

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but wonder whether our democracy is losing out.

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John Sweeney on the art of campaigning with the people. We are

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back with our panel, Iain Dale, Polly McKenzie, and Paul Mason. We

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will start this last section of the programme with getting their

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predictions for the election. I will ask them who they think will be the

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biggest party and what the size of the majority will be. Will it be a

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Tory majority of ten, 20, 30, 40, 200 or more? Iain Dale, will be the

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biggest party? You might not be surprised me to say Conservative.

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OK, so I have picked of the blue rosette. What are you suggesting, a

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majority? Have you got more than one was that because I want two goes. My

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gut feeling at the beginning of the campaign was a majority of 74 and

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part of me still believes that but I have done seat by set predictions

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and revised them over the weekend and it still comes up with a

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Conservative majority of 122. Shall we take the average and just call it

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a hundred? You do what you like, Evan! I will put them on 100. Polly,

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I have a yellow Lib Dem rosette for you if you wanted. Biggar they will

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not win this election with a majority, I'm pretty confident on

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that one. The Conservatives will be the biggest party. I am a bit more

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cautious than Iain because there has been such noise about social care in

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particular, and when you mess with people's houses, I think it affects

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turnout. So I would go 60. Majority of 60. YouGov, their model, they are

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getting a hung parliament. But you are going to 60 and Iain is going

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for 100. I'm not going to let you change. If you look seat by seat in

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the YouGov model it doesn't make sense, it is nonsense. Know, Paul. I

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think it was the day that the election was announced we had you on

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and you said you thought Labour would win. Could win! I think it was

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stronger than could win. What are you saying now. Heart and head

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prediction. My head tells me between 20 and 30 majority of the Tories.

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They will be the largest party because I think Labour will not claw

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back although we might get three seats in Scotland. The Tories the

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largest party, hung parliament, Progressive Alliance, bring it on.

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So perfectly possible hung parliament... My head says the deep

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but I will go with my heart, hung parliament, progressive alliance --

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my head says 30. Bring it on. It's like a sort of Vladimir Putin the

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style, is and has decided. We want to put a Jeremy Corbyn rosette. We

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want be anything like the biggest party. Will put in there. Paul,

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seriously -- we will not be anything like the biggest party. Ball, at the

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start of the campaign when the Tories had a big lead what we're

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thinking about predictions that Labour could win? I was pretty

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confident. You are always trying to assess Day by Day but I said on this

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programme that because of Theresa May's May three speech where she

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declared furball war, the Ukip vote collapsed in the polls. I said we

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must do something equally dramatic but I knew we would. I thought,

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?9,000 a year for students, ?9 a week for school dinner money is

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quite dramatic if you are earning about ?8 50 an hour, and on zero

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hours contract. The manifesto was the game changer. I knew it would.

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Let me ask you all. Theresa May, her ratings have gone down, is it

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because she is not good because her campaign is bad. Corbyn's ratings

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have gone up. Is it because he is a good campaign, Iain, or a good

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leader? He has run a much better campaign than even Paul thought he

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would, certainly better than I thought. He has relaxed into it,

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always a good thing for a politician to do. I think that Paul is

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clutching a few opinion poll straws in his prediction because it is only

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YouGov and one other polls showing these narrow Tory leads, there was

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one poll yesterday showing a one point Tory lead. And that was based

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on the premise that younger voters aged 18-24 would have a 90% turnout.

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Now YouGov have had similar modelling in their polls, Polly was

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right, their constituency predictions, they have Canterbury

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with a majority of 10,000 going to Labour, presumably because the whole

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of the University of Kent will vote Labour. They've got Anna Soubry

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losing his seat. Type in any constituency, it's lunacy. These

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pollsters will have a lot of egg on their face on Friday morning. But if

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they don't, I will! YouGov have been hedging their bets, adding in the

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people who don't know and widening the Tory lead. I think they are

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right because for Labour strategists not everything depends on the youth

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vote turning out but a lot does. The variables do. And there's another

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group. The mums and dads, mums and mums, parents with kids in primary

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school. Those are the people that I have found the most energised on the

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doorstep but it only takes for someone to fall over in the

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playground and you don't have time to vote. Turnout is a big thing for

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Labour. It will be big if it is pouring with rain. You are in the

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north-west of England! One interesting thing about this

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election is, normally you say, if you are ahead on the economy and the

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leader, that is worth more than being ahead in the polls and we

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should have done that last time, and David Cameron was had leadership

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over Ed Miliband and the Tories were ahead on the economy this election,

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it seems to have broken that rule. No one has talked about the economy

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really. We don't know because tomorrow it might be the fact that

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Theresa May is holding up on leader, still ahead in most of the testing,

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and also the Tories are still the most tested on the economy so it

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might be that that iron rule has not been broken. Iain, has been broken?

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The economy is the dog that hasn't barked, we haven't seen the

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Chancellor during this entire campaign, he is the scarlet

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Pimpernel of the campaign. Whether it is because Theresa May is keeping

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him locked in a box because she's going to sack him after the election

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depending on the size of the majority who knows. But I think the

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electorate should hear from the Chancellor of the Exchequer during

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the campaign, can you remember one single interview he's done in this

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campaign because I'm darned if I can. He did in early one on the

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Today programme. And there was that joint interview whether Labour sons

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did not add up and she would not endorse. All bets are off because of

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Brexit. It's like a bomb going off in the general world of politics

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that blows everything apart. And you've had all of the other events.

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You've got to take into account that people are feeling jangly and

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disorientated. It was the Brexit election and it has barely come up!

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Go on, Iain. You are right, and I said to my Tory friends, why are you

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not getting Brexit back on the agenda. That is where you can score

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a big majority in this election. They tried but they don't have

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anything new to say that they haven't said before. I think they

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help for Jean-Claude Juncker to say something controversial but he's

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kept remarkably silent in the last couple of days. But given what

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happened in London over the weekend and in Manchester I detect that

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there are a lot of people thinking about security in the last couple of

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days and you might think that if they did they would automatically be

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more inclined to vote Conservative. I am not sure that is entirely

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happening, certainly on my radio phone ins I find this huge

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enthusiasm among floating voters now for Jeremy Corbyn. Some say they

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will vote Tory because of the security issue, they feel safer with

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Theresa May. But it's not the overwhelming majority that you might

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expect. Yes, it has been a messy election. Theresa May's high point

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was that fight with Jean-Claude Juncker and his statement about, go

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away, you horrible Europeans which took to that great local election

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result. Since the manifestos, and I don't endorse that view Paul Howes

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of the Labour manifesto being magnificent, a smorgasbord of money

:58:30.:58:34.

and promises. We lurched about talking about this policy and that

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policy and then as Iain says moved on to the security issue towards the

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end where police cuts comes up again which is unfortunate because Diane

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Abbott messed up... Paul, quickly. And is not just the security

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problem, we feel under attack and very bruised and I think that Mass

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psychology of sadness and concern will never play into point scoring

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beyond what is reasonably acceptable. And

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we have got to that. It has made it an exceptional campaign, and it has

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been exceptional in other ways. Thank you all, next time we meet we

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will know the result. Well, that is it for this evening -

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and for this campaign. Now there is no Newsnight tomorrow -

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we're not missing much - just the day of the James Comey

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testimony to Congress But we know that in 24 hours

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from now, the only thing to do will be to speculate

:59:33.:59:36.

about the accuracy of the exit poll and you will be in good

:59:37.:59:39.

hands on that front. So in the meantime we leave

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you with a reminder that this isn't Let's leave the last word

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to the others, and we'll see

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Evan Davis. On the eve of polling day, the programme travels to Bolton to hear how the general election is playing out in the north of England.


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