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Theresa May settles into her new life of endless haggling... | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
With the the factions of her own party... | :00:09. | :00:18. | |
The danger is that however much any government tries, | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
they will not be seen to be impartial if they are locked | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
into a Parliamentary deal at Westminster with one | :00:26. | :00:26. | |
Oh, and not to mention the Europeans. | :00:27. | :00:42. | |
We'd better brace ourselves for non-stop negotiation, | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
but with a government on a wafer thin majority, and to make matters | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
worse, a Brexit department in some disarray We'll ask if, | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
out of the mess, a red, white and blue Brexit | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
Meanwhile, this former Conservative minister says its time | :00:55. | :01:02. | |
for his party to change its way, and its name. | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
Also tonight, we might have taken out eyes off | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
the troubles of President Trump, but his Attorney General | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
Raise your right hand if you would, please. | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
Did you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
truth and nothing but the truth, so | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
We'll find out if the President should be worried. | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
Stephen Smith on a new movie about Whitney Houston. | :01:26. | :01:49. | |
So Theresa May is here to stay, for the time being. | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
Which means she now has to wallow in the complexities | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
Sorting out a deal with the DUP for stability at home, | :01:57. | :02:03. | |
and sorting out a position with the EU on Brexit. | :02:04. | :02:04. | |
As she said yesterday, she got her party into this mess, | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
The DUP deal is almost done, but not signed yet. | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
The Brexit one is a great deal more complicated, | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
and with days to go until the formal start, the department for exiting | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
the EU, DexEU to its friends, is being reshuffled - | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
Is it too strong to use the word disarray? | :02:24. | :02:30. | |
Well, Theresa May sat down for dinner and a bit | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
of football this evening, with President Macron of France. | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
We'll take stock shortly, but first David Grossman looks | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
The tourist snapping landmarks might conclude our democratic institutions | :02:39. | :02:56. | |
are in imminent danger of collapse. The government is certainly in | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
urgent need propping up. From who? This happy band, it appears. They | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
may be few but their smiles tell you how important they know they are. | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
Agreement was not sealed today but we are clearly heading that way. The | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
DUP, will support the government in return for what? I'm not going to | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
negotiate over the airwaves but there has been a lot of commentary | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
around the issues we are talking about and it will not surprise | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
anybody we are talking about matters that pertain to the nation | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
generally, ringing stability to the UK Government in and around issues | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
around Brexit, obviously around counterterrorism and doing what is | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
right for Northern Ireland in respect to economic matters. To date | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
one of the architect of the peace process warned Theresa May against | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
the DUP deal. I understand what she wishes to shore up her parliament to | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
position, that is understandable and I sympathise but, but, my main | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
concern certainly if the peace process. A fundamental part about | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
peace process is that the UK Government needs to be impartial | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
between all the competing interests in Northern Ireland. Colonel Bob | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
Stewart did seven tours of duty in Northern Ireland as an infantry | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
officer and is now a Conservative MP and the insists there is nothing to | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
fear from a deal with the DUP. What is motivating them is the thought | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
that if the Conservatives are not in power in the mainland, Jeremy | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
Corbyn, who actually gave succour to the provisional IRA, succour, when I | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
was on the ground in Northern Ireland watching my soldiers | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
fighting and losing their lives, they don't want that under any | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
circumstances whatsoever. The Prime Minister did face the Commons today | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
which was mostly engaged in re-electing the Speaker unopposed. | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
Few of other self-conscious joke. Mr Speaker elect on behalf of the whole | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
house, May I congratulate you on your re-election. At least somebody | :05:02. | :05:11. | |
got a landslide! Mr Speaker, it is customary on these occasions to | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
congratulate the returning Prime Minister and I absolutely do so and | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
I congratulate her on returning and I'm sure she will agree with me that | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
democracy is a wondrous thing and can throw up some very unexpected | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
results. What is no laughing matter of course are the Brexit | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
negotiations which will start, the government insists, on schedule next | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
Monday. But the government department charged with running them | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
is currently undergoing major renovations. The Secretary of State, | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
David Davis, still sits atop the Department for accepting the EU but | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
below him it is all change. The reshuffle as seen in the departure | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
of both Lord Bridges and David Jones from ministerial office. They have | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
been replaced by Steve Baker and Baroness Joyce and Elaine who joined | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
junior Mr Robin Walker. With negotiations due to start in less | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
than a week you have the departure of these ministers makes a difficult | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
job even more difficult and the new ministers will need to come in and | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
get up to speed quickly. They will need to build volition chips and | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
companies across the department and government. Mrs May's they did not | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
get much better with a visit to Paris to meet the new French | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
president. Two leaders whom fortune has treated so differently. One with | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
a landslide at his feet and the wind at his back and the other... After | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
the election there are those in Mrs May's party who hope that Brexit | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
might now be averted but the French president gave them some very | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
carefully worded encouragement. TRANSLATION: A of course the door | :06:54. | :07:00. | |
remains always open until the negotiations come to an end but that | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
said, a sovereign decision was taken by the British people and that is to | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
come out of the European Union and I very much respect the decision taken | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
by the people, be it by the French people ought the British people. By | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
tomorrow Mrs May should get a formal offer of support she needs to prop | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
up a government but that is really only the beginning of her problems. | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
Nick Watt is our Political Editor and Helen Thomas | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
We have things to discuss. Starting with the DUP, that have been going | :07:29. | :07:38. | |
on a few days, we thought we would get it signed today, what is | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
happening? Theresa May and Arlene Foster are inching towards what will | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
be known as a supply and confidence deal with the DUP supplying and | :07:47. | :07:55. | |
confidence means supporting the Tories on boats and crucially the | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
Queen's speech and that will allow the government to pursue it | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
legislative agenda pulls up but -- but crucially it triggers the | :08:00. | :08:07. | |
terms of the fixed in Parliament act and that means the parliament is | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
then locked for five years and let you go through the very contradicted | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
procedure of unlocking that and that means the DUP and the Tories have | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
what they want, the Tories fear another election under Jeremy Corbyn | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
and the DUP don't want the idea of a Jeremy Corbyn premiership. What this | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
beat is that it looks very unlikely even if there is a deal tomorrow | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
that the original date of the Queen's speech will be agreed for | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
next Monday, it is down to the ink drying on the goat skin parchment | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
paper! A lot of talk we might go to the next slot which is Tuesday the | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
27th of June but we will get clarification on the date when we | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
get the deal. One clarification we do have is that the DUP and the | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
primers that agree that Brexit talks start next week. Peshmerga and the | :08:55. | :08:56. | |
Prime And there is not -- and the Prime | :08:57. | :09:06. | |
Minister. Let's talk about Brexit because we have these extraordinary | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
goings-on at the Brexit department with more change than you might | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
ideally want a week before negotiations start. They have lost | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
50% of its ministers which is only two. Intriguingly, as you saw, one | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
of the appointment is Steve Baker. He has been the convener of the main | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
Brexit group which is the European research group he runs the what's up | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
group that basically instruct the Brexit supporting MPs what to do and | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
say but we have an intervention by David Cameron tonight who has told a | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
conference in Poland that the results of the general election will | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
lead to pressure for a soft the Brexit and the FT cites him as a new | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
player on the stage. The 12 new Scottish MPs and is also called on | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
Theresa May to insult other political parties on Brexit. These | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
sort of interventions are being heard in the EU. A Manuel said today | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
there is still time for the UK to have a rethink and you could come | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
back in until Article 50 is triggered and that has also been | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
said by the German finance minister. I wonder if they would let us keep | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
the budget rebate! Maybe we would end up paying... If you did it | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
before Article 50 ens, maybe, but it is within a treaty and that has to | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
be agreed by everyone. Talking about some other aspects, everybody is | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
watching the dynamics if they will be nice or not to us but there was a | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
decision by the commission which gave a sense that cool heads are | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
prevailing on the issue of Euro clearing. Clearing is a pretty | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
unsexy but very important part of the plumbing of derivatives markets. | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
Plymouth managed risk but if someone goes bust they make sure everybody | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
gets paid -- clearers manage risk. London handles about three quarters | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
of Euro clearing and that has been a long-standing issue for some of the | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
more protectionist parts of Europe. The big fear was that the European | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
Commission would say the game is over and you have the relocate to | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
the continent. They didn't. They said the biggest clearing houses | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
would need more regulation and be supervised by the EU effectively. | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
London is OK with that, that is what the Americans do effectively because | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
they also do dollar business. So they will be regular to institutions | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
in London from Brussels. They would have some oversight of the clearers | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
in London but there is a sting in the tail because the commission | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
wants the power to relocate claiming further down the line if regulation | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
is not working. It seems like regulators would make that call and | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
not politicians but the fear is you put this in place and eventually | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
somebody will figure out a way to use it. Thank you. | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
Hilary Benn is the former chair of the Brexit Select Committee | :12:02. | :12:03. | |
and is seeking re-election to that position. | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
We can talk to him about the whole gamut of issues come up in the | :12:10. | :12:17. | |
Brexit debate. You would rather have a Shadow Cabinet position than be | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
chair of the select committee if it was offered? Shadow Cabinet | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
positions are a matter for Jeremy but, assuming Labour if given the | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
opportunity once again to chair the select committee, I will put myself | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
forward by-election by the House of Commons because there is an | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
important job that needs to be done particularly in the circumstances | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
and the shambles we are in. Do you think it is odd there has been a | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
ministerial changing of the guard at the Brexit department a week before | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
negotiations? I think it is absolutely astonishing. Those | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
ministers have been working very hard talking to lots of big and | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
getting their head around the issues, the more you look, the more | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
you realise there is to negotiate and less than a week before | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
negotiations begin half the team disappears and two new people | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
arrived and they have to read up at high speed. I should think of the | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
European negotiators will wonder what we're doing. This is bad for | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
Britain. What the election result has shown clearly is the idea of | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
leaving the EU with no deal is now dead and buried. The big question is | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
whether Theresa May now understand that it is definitely parliament | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
that is going to decide the shape of the Brexit we will have. We have a | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
white pepper which set out the objectives. I using that is dead or | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
if that still alive -- White Paper? I think it is very important figures | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
only a couple of days ago David Davis was still talking about being | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
prepared to leave with no deal and that would be catastrophic as we | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
showed when he appeared before the select committee any had to explain | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
to us what the consequences would be. But in order to get effective | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
scrutiny the government has had to be pushed and prodded all the way to | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
accept the role of Parliament and I would like to see the select | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
committee have a stronger role in its work, being able to receive | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
regular reports from ministers, to call debate in Parliament to make it | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
explicit that the, he is overseeing the negotiations on the half | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
Parliament and not just the work of the Brexit, he. | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
That sounds modest because we understand people including David | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
Cameron are saying it would be a good idea to bring more parties and | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
more people into this and build a Parliamentary consensus around what | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
kind of Brexit we should have. William Hague this morning. Would | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
that be your committee or a bigger thing? A range of things could be | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
done, you could bring in business, unions and others. To consult on the | :14:53. | :15:01. | |
process. You cannot have that, if it is too many people you cannot expect | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
them to be involved in the nitty-gritty. I think there are a | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
number of different options but in the end Parliament has a committee | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
whose job it is to oversee that but also it will need to lead to changes | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
in policy. Negotiations are taking place with the DUP and the DUP are | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
clear that they do not want a return to a hard water and customs. The | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
government is taking a risk saying we want to be out of the customs | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
union but sort of in. They need to now revisit that decision and say if | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
you want a guarantee for British business of tariff and barrier free | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
trade and avoid problems in Northern Ireland, then the state in the | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
customs union. Forego the right to sign new trade deals independently? | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
The US is already our largest single trading market and trading goods | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
with China has quadrupled in the past decade. Staying in the customs | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
union, one we have all these people saying we want a softer Brexit, | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
vaguely expressed, is that what it comes down to, when we hear people | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
say soft Brexit is the debate inside the customs union or not? I think | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
that is the first and clearly sensible step to take. The second | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
issue will be what kind of access we have to the single market. But also | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
cooperation on things like foreign policy, the fight against terrorism. | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
That continued cooperation is essential to our security as we | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
leave the EU. I need to talk to you but Jeremy Corbyn, he had a much | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
better electoral success then you and most of your colleagues on the | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
Labour backbenchers predicted. I'm interested in where you are at the | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
moment because obviously you thought he would not do very well | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
electorally but also did not think he was very good and I just wonder | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
whether you still do not think he's very good. You will have had review | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
your position on when he can get the button. But have you changed your | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
mind about him? I thought he fought a brilliant campaign which | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
influenced a lot of people with a message of hope rather than a | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
message of fear like the Tories. There was a cheerful meeting of the | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
Parliamentary Labour Party this evening in contrast to the last time | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
before the election because many people, me included, got it wrong | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
about his capacity to do that. And that is a great achievement. The | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
task we have is to build on that because we need to broaden further | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
our support. But his qualities as leader I suppose have not changed | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
his appeal has changed or you have changed your view of it. What about | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
leadership qualities? While the qualities he demonstrated during the | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
campaign in the face of the attacks from the Conservatives, had a pretty | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
hard time at the hands of the press and Jeremy Corbyn did not rise to | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
that, he inspired people and brought young people and others who had not | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
voted before out. We had many additional Labour MPs and it is a | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
fantastic foundation to build on for the next election, which could come | :18:18. | :18:19. | |
very soon indeed. Thank you. Corbyn was down in the polls, | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
we all banged on about splits in the Labour Party, | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
of which there were many. The arguments over Brexit are one | :18:26. | :18:27. | |
thing, but there are other things Daily Mail Tories versus | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
Financial Times ones. Blue collar versus toffs, | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
fiscal Conservatives versus tax The great debate about | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
what direction should In a moment, we'll talk to a senior | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
Tory whose just been dropped from a government post by Theresa | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
May. But first, we went out today | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
to sample some views I'm Andrew Brian. Glenn Murray. I'm | :18:46. | :19:09. | |
a conservative district council. Traditional Conservative supporter. | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
I voted for the Conservative Party by postal vote. | :19:13. | :19:22. | |
It does not seem like a strong basis for the future but I think she must | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
do that for a period of time until we get through this current phase | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
and hopefully things stabilise. She's a good advocate for the | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
country, with a strong personality and very strong views. And would be | :19:37. | :19:44. | |
a strong negotiator for Britain. I felt she should have taken up some | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
of those TV programmes and showed her face on TV ad fought a corner. | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
But she is a winner and will come through at the end of the day I am | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
sure. I think they can work together. Most | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
of the obvious issues around equality and things like that are | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
just not relevant. Most of those are divorced. Their anti-abortion, | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
anti-gay rights, anti-climate change at all these things which are quite | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
important to be young voters. So that is not terribly appealing. But | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
I guess if that is what is going to help the Conservatives stay in and | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
what is going to be the strongest way for us to continue then I guess | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
that is what shall be. It is only a temporary measure because once she | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
gets her party back in full swing that will be the end to this | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
conversation. You are optimistic customer very. I believe in Theresa | :20:43. | :20:50. | |
May. I think Theresa May has big ideas on | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
all these Brexit deals already whereas Jeremy Corbyn hasn't seemed | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
to come forward with anything, he has no plans for Brexit. People tend | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
to forget this is a great and prosperous country. In any walk of | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
life people need to do business with us. I am a Remainer but | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
fundamentally the UK voted to leave the EU and I believe we should | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
follow that democratic mandate given by the people. I was never in favour | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
of Brexit in the first place. For me the softer the better and I think | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
clearly it is going to be a softer version of Brexit than whatever the | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
previous one was. But we did not really understand anyway. The views | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
of some Tory supporters there. Robert Halfon was Skills Minister | :21:41. | :21:41. | |
until yesterday... He's written about the need for | :21:42. | :21:43. | |
the Conservative Party to reform. What do you think went wrong with | :21:44. | :21:53. | |
the campaign? I think we have a problem in terms of our message, our | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
values and expressing most of the public. I think we have a problem in | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
lack of membership. And also a problem in terms of our | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
infrastructure. We did not get our message across about what we stand | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
for. We are the party of aspiration and opportunity. We give people the | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
chance to climb the ladder to get the security and prosperity we need. | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
But none of that was put across and we frightened pensioners and | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
frighten people about school meals. So we just did not get the core | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
Conservative message across. You want the party to be clearer about | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
being a party for working people. Is the problem that it did not get the | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
message across or does the actual offer a need to be refined? I think | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
it is both, fundamentally we need a rebranding and that is why I suggest | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
we change our name to the workers party but it cannot just be a | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
slogan, the Foreign Minister said we were the workers party at the party | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
conference but we need to make it mean something. I think we have to | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
actually build our policies based on five pillars, we should be a modern | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
trade union movement for the British people, five pillars of workers' | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
rights, jobs, skills, wages, welfare and services. Have you thought of | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
joining the Labour Party because they aspire to all those things! | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
They actually have Labour in the title as opposed to workers but more | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
or less the same. The Labour Party want to do everything from the top | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
down but I believe that the Conservative Party and our symbol | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
should be the ladder I believe, not the tree, without the party the | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
ladder. If you are poor will bring you to that ladder and we hold the | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
ladder to get you out of poverty into work. If you are a young person | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
we will offer an apprenticeship so that you can earn while you learn. | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
You get a degree, an apprenticeship, you get a job at the end. My | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
question about joining Labour was in serious because someone would call | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
you perhaps a red Tory, and some in labour would be called blue Labour | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
was quite a conservative view of the world. You could do a deal with | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
those people, Maurice Glassman, the kind of blue thinker in the party. | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
You could come up with a common platform. Of course in politics | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
there are overlapping views and some people in the Labour Party I have | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
huge respect for, Frank field and so on. But that is not the whole of the | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
Labour Party especially under Jeremy Corbyn. They believe in everything | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
from the top-down, unfunded spending commitments and I think we need to | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
be a party for the workers but building on those five pillars as I | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
described. In renaming Conservative Party the workers party or | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
Conservative workers party, you would have as much chance of doing | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
that is converting the Labour Party. The Prime Minister said at the | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
conference that we were the workers party, we introduced the national | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
living wage, we cut taxes for lower earners, we have 100,000 | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
apprenticeships offering potentially 3 million for millions across the | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
country. Potentially there is something out there that we could be | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
the true workers party of the country. But we must recognise | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
public sector workers are as important as private sector for | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
exam. Whatever is your party if you do not do that? I'm not saying I | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
have the only answer but I thought about this for a long time. I have | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
written about it months ago and gone run the country talking about it. | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
But I believe the face parental calamity as a party because people | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
see is just in terms of austerity and we failed to get our message | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
across about being the party of the ladder of opportunity. And failed to | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
get across the message that we are the party for the poor. When the | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
Labour Party nor corridor everyone knows they're there the underdog, | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
their message is clear. But our message is not. But Theresa May | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
started out with much of this back when she became Prime Minister 11 | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
months ago and it has not happened. I doubt they're not listening to you | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
or she is not capable of delivering this kind of vision, something is | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
clearly going wrong. I was incredibly excited when the Prime | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
Minister made that speech, the first speech she ever gave as Prime | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
Minister. I thought potentially something really big was happening. | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
For one reason or another some of this, not all of it but some has got | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
lost. And I think the election has given us a clear lesson in this and | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
that is why we have to reboot. Rebrand. But there has to be a base, | :26:42. | :26:53. | |
basing all policies around what I call workers Charter. Do you think | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
that a rather weak and Theresa May can do that. To be honest whether it | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
was Alexander the great or Archangel Gabriel, as leader, unless we | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
undertake these fundamental reforms and rebranding of the party, it does | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
not matter about the media, it is about policies and values. And | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
narrative. To reach out to the British people. Thank you very much. | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
President Trump's embattled attorney-general, Jeff Sessions, | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
has been taking questions - on oath - in front of | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
the Senate Intelligence Committee, who are interested in the links | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
It's awkward for Mr Sessions - he failed to declare his own | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
meetings with the Russian ambassador, and was involved | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
in sacking the head of the FBI who was in charge | :27:36. | :27:37. | |
Did he survive unscathed - and did the President? | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
Mark Urban was watching the proceedings. | :27:43. | :27:52. | |
The Senate intelligence committee is the tip of the spear as far | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
as these investigations go and weekly their | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
deliberations are growing broader and more complex. | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
Today Attorney General Jeff Sessions was called. | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
And he faced questions on the Trump campaign's links with Russia. | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
Under intense scrutiny, his temper flared | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
when asked about his possible ties with the Russians. | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
There are none, Senator, there are none, I can | :28:26. | :28:36. | |
tell you that for absolute certainty. | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
This is the secret innuendo being leaked out there by | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
-- about me and I don't appreciate it. | :28:47. | :28:48. | |
Mr Sessions insisted that short meetings with the Russian ambassador | :28:49. | :28:50. | |
had been inconsequential and entirely proper. | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
I have never met with or had any conversation with | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
any Russians or any foreign officials concerning any type of | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
interference with any campaign or election in the United States. | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
Added to the tension, the fact that President Trump's confidence in his | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
Attorney General is, reportedly, failing. | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
The president has not really spoken that much about that | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
question, letting it hang out in the air, as have his aides. | :29:21. | :29:22. | |
The Attorney General himself behind the scenes | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
has been much more open about the fact that he knows that he has | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
gotten into the President's crosshairs a little bit. | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
As the Senate committee's inquiry has gone on, it | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
has expanded to include allegations of cover-up by the White House and | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
that led last week to evidence from former FBI | :29:41. | :29:42. | |
director James Comey who | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
painted a picture of how he felt the president may have tried to | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
Talk for a moment about his request that you pledge loyalty. | :29:49. | :29:56. | |
Our relationship did not get off to a great start, given the | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
conversation I had to have on January the 6th. | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
This was not, this did not improve the relationship | :30:02. | :30:03. | |
He was asking for something and I was | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
But again, I don't know him well enough to know | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
But of course the president fired Mr Comey which means | :30:12. | :30:22. | |
the committee has added Comey's sacking to the other matters | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
under investigation, prompting many questions today that Jeff Sessions | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
Did you ever discuss director Comey's FBI | :30:27. | :30:34. | |
handling of the Russia investigations with the president or | :30:35. | :30:36. | |
Senator, that would call for a communication between the | :30:37. | :30:44. | |
Attorney General and the president and I'm not able to comment on that. | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
You're not able to answer the question | :30:49. | :30:55. | |
And with this process is ongoing and expanding, | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
reports today that the president might even sack | :31:01. | :31:02. | |
the special counsel, former FBI boss Robert Mueller, who | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
They have left that out there either for the reasons that it | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
may be true that the president is considering it or left it out there | :31:13. | :31:24. | |
for reasons that it may be something with political advantage for them to | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
It all comes back to this man of course. | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
His Attorney General defended himself successfully today | :31:32. | :31:33. | |
on the Russian ties issue but ultimately the questions for | :31:34. | :31:35. | |
Professor Ryan Goodman is from at New York University School of Law | :31:36. | :31:46. | |
he was general counsel at the defense department | :31:47. | :31:48. | |
Then have long, what is the point on which you think Jeff Sessions and | :31:49. | :32:06. | |
President Trump are now most vulnerable? -- we don't have long. I | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
suppose that would be the firing of James Comey. That is not something | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
that Jeff Sessions dealt with very well today. He refused to answer any | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
questions like the one you heard as to whether or not the president ever | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
referred to the Russia investigation as one of the reasons he wanted to | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
fire Comey. Sessions refused to answer and he gave the reasons he | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
thought to recommend firing Comey which did not seem very plausible in | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
a certain sense. He referred to the fact that it was Comey's performance | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
but under oppression he was asked if he was if you spoken to about his | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
performance and he said no and Nicky Wroe down and evaluation of the | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
performance and he said no. He did the reason he recommending the | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
firing was because the handling of the Clinton e-mails. But under | :32:58. | :33:04. | |
pressure from Senator Reid he was asked, during the campaign you | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
actually praised Comey for how he handled Hillary Clinton's e-mails so | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
it was a difficult moment for him and that is probably the most | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
vulnerable spot right now for the president because it raises the | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
spectre of obstruction of justice if the reason he fired the FBI director | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
was to change the course of the Russia investigation. Politically, | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
and I know that is not your beat, but is it getting too intricate for | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
most people to follow a few said what and do you think people are | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
beginning to glaze over as they hear the enquiries? I think that an | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
excellent point and in some way to you now have Comey's test over | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
several hours and Jeff Sessions' and people start dipping, he said, he | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
said, how do they sorted out? And many of the commentators are getting | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
into the weeds of exactly who said what and how they differentiate from | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
one another. I think what will emerge is that the special Council | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
is working, plodding away on the Russia investigation, and that will | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
still continue. I think that will resurface after these two weeks of | :34:12. | :34:20. | |
Comey and Sessions. You say he will continue, is that correct? Is there | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
any way they can get rid of him or Trump can fire him or tell somebody | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
to get rid of this turbulent priest or anything like that? Probably not. | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
The person who gets to determine whether or not the special counsel | :34:35. | :34:41. | |
should stay in his position as is the Deputy Attorney General | :34:42. | :34:43. | |
Rosenstein who currently has jurisdiction over the special | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
counsel and he also testified today and said he would never dismiss the | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
special counsel except for a good cause and he can't imagine that | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
would come up. There are other scenarios, because this is a dynamic | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
situation for example what if Attorney General Sessions did step | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
down and was replaced by somebody who had not recused? That new person | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
would have jurisdiction over the special counsel so you have the gone | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
public those kind of issues. Thank you very much. | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
British film director Nick Broomfield, who can often be | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
seen in his own documentaries wearing earphones and carrying | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
a boom mic, has pursued subjects as diverse as Sarah Palin, | :35:24. | :35:25. | |
death row prisoners and the late rock star Kurt Cobain. | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
And he has a new film out this week concerning another rock and roll | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
casualty: the prodigiously gifted singer Whitney Houston, | :35:34. | :35:35. | |
who died of a drugs overdose five years ago aged just 48. | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
- has been called uncompromising, and in making it | :35:42. | :35:50. | |
Broomfield has spoken to the star's entourage, | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
And he has now been talking to our culture editor, Stephen Smith. | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
# Just remember it was you, you, you. | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
The matchless larynx of pop superstar Whitney Houston. | :35:59. | :36:12. | |
This is how her many fans remember her. | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
She won Emmys, Grammys, and sold millions of records | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
before her tragic early death following a drugs overdose. | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
Whitney Houston obviously was a very iconic figure. | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
And I think made a lot of people very happy. | :36:28. | :36:37. | |
And was very severely criticised towards the end of her life. | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
I thought it was a good time to have another look at her life and look | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
at her achievements and who she was, who she is. | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
Ironically, the singer emerges from Broomfield's film as the least | :36:51. | :37:09. | |
That included her formidable mother and her self-styled bad boy | :37:10. | :37:22. | |
Do you think you discovered who killed Whitney, | :37:23. | :37:31. | |
I'd say probably we all killed Whitney. | :37:32. | :37:43. | |
As the bodyguard in the film says, there is no one not to blame | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
for the tragedy that happened to this wonderful, beautiful woman. | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
Older viewers will recall Whitney Houston's turn opposite | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
Well, I don't know, maybe a tough guy. | :38:00. | :38:08. | |
In a striking case of life imitating art, Broomfield tracked down | :38:09. | :38:19. | |
the singer's real bodyguard, a man called David Roberts. | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
You know the bodyguard sent in, he talks extensively in the film, | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
a very detailed report about what was going | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
on and suggesting that certain people should be removed | :38:30. | :38:31. | |
And instead of that happening, he was removed. | :38:32. | :38:38. | |
To what degree the individuals concerned were on drugs. | :38:39. | :38:46. | |
I put it down on paper, I got the telephone call in a meeting. | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
Thank you very much, Miss Houston has decided she doesn't | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
need anyone of your calibre and experience again because she's | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
not touring internationally in the future. | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
One of the problems we were having was getting enough time | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
in the building because of health and safety regulations... | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
Nick Broomfield hasn't been averse to putting himself on screen. | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
Whether he's looking at dilapidated buildings for the BBC... | :39:16. | :39:24. | |
Here he is talking to Dana, who co-owned the music... | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
Or on the trail of the late rappers Tupac and Biggie | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
We're going to see some wild animals. | :39:30. | :39:55. | |
We are, we're going to see musk ox and reindeer and a dog sled. | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
And they're alive, Sarah hasn't got to them yet! | :40:00. | :40:01. | |
In an homage to his highly influential kind of meta- | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
film-making, we thought we'd take you behind the scenes | :40:07. | :40:08. | |
Well, that's why Broomfield has a handprint on Hollywood Boulevard | :40:09. | :40:22. | |
and I'm on just before the very late weather. | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
If Newsnight could afford you, and equipped you with the earphones | :40:29. | :40:36. | |
and boom mic, what would you be running around scooping | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
Where would you think the story is here? | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
Well, I think it's very hard to cover galloping news. | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
You know, documentaries are a reflective way | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
You don't fancy the mad, adrenaline rush of 5am breakfasts... | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
Perhaps she wouldn't be interesting to you? | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
If you could get the first 100 days of either her or Donald Trump, | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
I think it would be quite unbelievable because that | :41:02. | :41:03. | |
discrepancy of, is this true, is this not true, | :41:04. | :41:05. | |
is something that really keeps one absolutely riveted to the story. | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
So I think they would be fascinating characters. | :41:09. | :41:23. | |
Steven Smith talking to Nick Broomfield. | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
That's all we've got time for this evening. | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
Before we go, the BFI have just released 600 new films from the | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
archive. Here is a taste. Good night. | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
# Ease your feet off in the sea my darling. | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
# Take your shoes off curl your toes. | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
# Will stay with us till somebody decides to go. | :41:47. | :41:56. | |
# Soberly, without regret, I make another sandwich. | :41:57. | :42:13. | |
# I know that things have got to you. | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
# You decide your time is wearing thin. | :42:20. | :42:31. | |
# A conscious choice to let yourself go dangling... | :42:32. | :42:42. | |
Hello, some summer warmth on the way for money tomorrow but we | :42:43. | :42:43. |