12/06/2017 Newsnight


With Evan Davis. What a hung parliament will mean for Brexit, and will Macron win a majority in the French Parliament that May can now only dream of?

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There was some careful manoeuvring in Downing Street today,


Maybe you can stay, but something'll have to change.


And we're not just talking about the cats.


Yes - after the Tories fall to earth, everything is up in the air.


What of their manifesto and of their Brexit will remain -


and what will leave, as hung parliament politics bites?


Some MPs hoping for a benign Brexit are pinning their hopes


on an unlikely alliance at Westminster.


-- others of course say that the referendum was definitive.


In no way does this election mean an opportunity to somehow go behind


that referendum result, and somehow turn the tables


Is it soft or hard, or something in between?


We'll hear from a prominent Brexiteer and Remainer.


France's President Macron has a new party, and it seems to be


dominating French politics - at the expense of the socialists.


What are the lessons for us, and the implications for Europe?


And Katie Razzall has gone back to the very start


of Theresa May's campaign, to find out just what went


Do you feel that you were very instrumental in what's


I feel like we've caused it, because we've gone from having such


a small turnout amongst 18-24-year-olds to


For better or worse, hung parliaments offer an excuse


to parties to jettison the difficult promises made in their manifesto.


We saw that in the Tory-Lib Dem coalition of 2010.


We're seeing the Tories prune away bits of their manifesto now,


But the really big question hanging over Westminster is whether our hung


parliament means the Tories will change their much


It was set out in a speech in January, in a White Paper


in February, and in a letter to the EU in March -


The vision was not much debated in the election,


but it's hard to say it got an uproarious thumbs


And most MPs want a more flexible Brexit, including possibly the DUP.


Our political editor Nick Watt is here.


An important political Bay, Nick, as everyone gets over the result. Take


us through the events of the day. She convened at political Cabinet


today ahead of a meeting of the govern -- Government Cabinet


tomorrow. Keeping with the same spirit of those Cabinet


appointments, mainly confirming the same people in the same places, and


when there is a vacancy achieving a balance between Bremainers and


Leavers. Then the 1922 committee of MPs, as she recovered some, but by


no means all, for a authority by apology for the election setback,


saying "I got us into this mess, I will get us out of it." I have to


say that went down well. She seems to have had a good day, stabilise


things took a bit. To what extent is the support she is getting just


because everybody is very tired and we want to get on with things? And


how really durable is it, do you think? At the risk of sounding like


an old veteran, I have to say I can spot a fake support by politicians,


and I was outside the committee meeting today when the Prime


Minister came out then the MPs came out, and MPs genuinely thought she


had done a good job by showing contrition and then pledging to


govern in a more open way. Interestingly, one minister told me


he thought the Prime Minister had been impressive and funny, but then


this minister said, "Why didn't we see that side of her during the


election? " so she has bought herself time to start the Brexit


negotiations and possibly to see them through, but every Tory I spoke


to will not budge on this fundamental point. Theresa May


cannot lead the Conservative Party into the next general election. But


the big question really, as you were saying, where does this all leave


Brexit? This is what I found out today...


A few short weeks ago, are hard Brexit seemed to be on the cards.


Now the voters have had their say, and, yes, a soft Brexit is coming


into view. Under Theresa May's original Brexit plan there would be


no halfway house, the UK would abandon membership of the Single


Market and most of the customs union. If Brussels tables


unreasonable demands, the UK would also be prepared to walk away


without a deal. Downing Street insists there is no change to its


plan. But the Prime Minister Renaud has to take account of the new


factors. A contingent of 13 Scottish MPs, whose leader Ruth Davidson is


calling for an open Brexit, the Tories' DUP partners who want a


frictionless border in Ireland, and a rejuvenated Labour Party who is


now talking about remaining in a reformed single market and Customs


union. Ruth Davidson told the Prime Minister and the Government must


push for what she called an open Brexit. I'm suggesting the


Conservative Party works with those both within the House of Commons and


indeed with people without, to ensure that as we leave the EU we


have a Brexit that works with the economy and put that first, and I


think there was a real sense around the Cabinet table today that, as you


would expect, from centre-right politicians, that is the primacy we


are looking for. And the leader of the Scottish Tories also believes


the party should be reaching out across the spectrum on Brexit.


Labour agrees, and now appears able to water down no suggestion the UK


would be able to leave the Single Market. We want something that works


for Britain, for our businesses and communities. That means, as we have


said, the benefits of the Single Market and the customs union. That


is low or no tariffs, no customs barriers, and alignment of


regulations. How that is achieved as part of this negotiation but the


criticism of the Government is that it took all those options of Mike


the table. I'm reformed membership of the Single Market without any


change at all is not compatible with leaving EU -- I'm


this Arlene Foster, leader of the DUP, is due to meet the Prime


Minister tomorrow, to buy to make an arrangement to sustain the Tories in


office. A number of Cabinet ministers are reportedly saying in


private that the DUP, which is to the right on social issues, may


provide them with cover to push for a softer Brexit. This Tory told me


some ministers who have been wary of talking out on Brexit believe the


DUP will give them a chance to slip through something more palatable to


them. The DUP takes a pragmatic approach, in terms of its dealings


with the Irish Republic, so they want unfettered trade, they don't


want tariffs on goods across the border, and they don't want a hard


border. The DUP position is helpful to the Conservatives in terms of


managing Brexit. I think previously what the position was that the


reddish Government would work with Irish government in a soft Brexit --


the British Government would work with the Irish government on a soft


Brexit, but now they have the DUP on board in terms of managing a softer


Brexit. DUP sources told Newsnight they have no quibble with the Prime


Minister's original Brexit plan, and leading Tory Brexit figures are


confident their vision is safe. We have 85% of the electorate voting


for Brexit supporting parties and for me that vote of confidence in


the direction of travel Theresa May is taking us in when it comes to


honour that. In no way does this election mean an opportunity to


somehow go behind that referendum result and somehow turn the tables


on the British people, because that would be completely wrong. Britain's


political landscape has been transformed by the surprise result


of the snap general election. Pro-Europeans are hoping a hard


Brexit will be the first victim, but Leave campaigners believe they still


retain trump cards. Nick Watt. Well, there is a live and lively


debate going on inside the Tory Parliamentary Party,


but it's not one that they're that But let's discuss now with Tory MEP


Daniel Hannan and Neil Carmichael, who was a Tory MP and a leading


proponent of a softer Brexit I will start if I made with Daniel


Hannan. I just want to examine Daniel Hannan's views at the moment.


Mr Hannan, a lot of people looking for compromises and a slightly


softer Brexit. I just want to ask, would it be acceptable to you if


that's part of this we left the Single Market but stayed in the


customs union so they did not need to be a border between the north and


south of Ireland, car companies could trade back and forwards across


the border? I think that would be a very bizarre way of interpreting and


open Brexit. Open Brexit by all means means maximising our trade


links with the rest of the EU, but it also means being able to trade


with the rest of the world. Now, even the EFTA countries, Norway and


Switzerland and so on, they have partial membership of the Single


Market, but even they are outside the customs union, and so they are


able to sign free arrangements with China, Japan, and the growing


economies, and if we are looking to long term that is where we need to


be. A lot of people have ruled out being in the Single Market. The


second best for those people as being in the customs union. Is that


something you could swallow... I can see you don't think it is a good


idea and would rather it wasn't, but could you swallow it as an idea? To


be honest I think some of those people are just grabbing the


totemically at things. I've never really got this idea that the whole


country is divided down the middle. Leavers and Bremainers our


compatriots who want the best. I think we agree whether we voted left


remain, we want military arrangements, commercial


arrangements, we want that with our allies, we want to keep those bits


of the current deal working, and that could include EU programmes,


and I don't think anyone is against that in principle, but we want to do


it on the basis of getting the best possible deal for us, and frankly


that means... Getting the best possible deal, yes, everyone agrees


with that. So you would not buy the customs union. Is there any


flexibility in your mind about the jurisdiction of the European Court


of justice, the ECJ? It may be helpful in the negotiation to say


that ECJ, this European Court, can govern our aviation agreements, or


for example could govern the nuclear materials? Is that something you


could tolerate or accept at all? The EU doesn't do that with any other


non-EU member state. Could you tolerate it, could you... Is that


Kaymer? Why would we go in wanting a worse deal than Switzerland, Norway,


Serbia, every other European country. That would be a bizarre


position the way you can get around that issue and make it work to the


advantage of both sides, is to do what the Swiss have done. To say,


you'll have your court, will have hours. Where there is a plain


interest in the same policy are harmonised outcome, we will simply


do that through a bilateral treaty, so we will not be inviting foreign


jurisdiction but the outcome will be the same. The Swiss have replicated


85-90% of the contents of the Single Market, including the real big one,


the discrimination on goods or services on threads of origin, but


they do that by bilateral treaties and domestic legislation. You are


veering towards the Swiss option but by and large are not sounding very


compromising. Do you think Theresa May, with no parliamentary majority,


should for example reach out to the other political parties, reach out


to Labour and even the Liberal Democrats and say, look, let's see


if we can foster a Brexit that's its 85% of the voters of this country,


because we got 85% of the voters in this election? Do you think she


could do that or she should only do that if we all agree to do it on her


terms? No, I do think we should be reaching out. I have said ever since


the vote, it was a 48-52 vote, not a mandate for severing all your links.


That is a mandate for a phased gradual repatriation of power. We


will end up with a deal that is almost by definition... It will go


too far for some people and not far enough for others, but we should aim


for a deal all sides can at least live with and I think that will mean


keeping a lot of the current links we have with the EU were those


working, but what people have been calling the Brexit option, the EFTA


tape option, even that leaves us with our farms, fisheries, defence


policy, and I think we can do better than that, but even that is clearly


becoming sovereign and having our own jurisdiction. Nobody is


seriously suggesting we should have ECJ ruling is still telling us what


to do when we have left. Thank you for that. Neil Carmichael, let me


talk to you. What is your favourite option at this point? How would you


like Theresa May's Brexit to change? First of all we voted to leave the


European Union, so what I am about to say does not question that, but I


think we need to be more realistic in the way in which we go forward,


and going towards it softer Brexit is clearly an object of mine and of


many, because we need proper trade relationships and we need to have


those... Do you accept free movement of people has two go? Many have said


that as the starting assumption for all of this, do you buy that?


If you take the university sector, that wouldn't be helpful for


existing students or members of staff from the EU in our country.


That is a sort of thing we have to think about. Free movement is a bit


like pregnancy, you have it or you don't, do you believe in free


movement or acts that has to go? I accept the country has voted against


free movement. So the Norway option is out because the Norway option has


free movement? It has free movement but I don't think we need to rule


out the Norway option just because of that reason. I think there are


other things... Are you hoping the EU will offer us some other


concession on free movement that allows us something close to the


Norway option? Yes, I think that's the direction we should be going in.


I hear from business increasingly that is the preferred option. The


only thing they've ever said is if you wannabe in the single market,


you have to have free movement. People have been saying in the last


few days, maybe they'll give us an emergency brake and the Norway


option. You would love that? I would, but your clip talking about


the DUP raised the issue about the border and how the attitude of the


DUP might be different with the Brexiteers. Do you think, if you'd


been in Parliament, and there are a few like you in the Conservative


Party, and some who are not as extreme as you. I'm not normally


described as extreme! Enthusiastic. Would you use parliamentary muscle,


because basically you'd always have a balance of power, would you use


parliamentary muscle to humiliate your own government to soften


Brexit? I think what we should be doing is reaching out to other


political parties and other stakeholders, because we have to


understand that this is not just an objective of hard Brexiteers. This


is a wider question and it needs to be dealt with in a wider way. I


understand that, but would you vote against, you know, important motions


of your government to soften the Brexit? You voted for Article 50. I


did. There will be lots of legislation, rip your bills and


suchlike, would you vote, use your parliamentary muscle and you'd have


more if you were in Westminster because there is a very small


majority. I think that leverage that is now available to colleagues of


mine and DUP and so on is much higher than before. So yes, there is


potential here, but we're not talking about voting against the


government essentially. What we are trying to do here is have a serious


discussion about moving the agenda away from purely a hard Brexit


towards something more reasonable. Last one, you lost your seat on


Thursday. I did. It was a seat that was considered Remainer. Do you


think Theresa May's Brexit lost youth vote? I think I lost the vote


for a number of reasons, one of them was the manifesto on one of them is


holding the general election at all on one of them indeed was Brexit. I


think the public generally were looking at the situation and


painting us as basically obsessed with Brexit and a hard Brexit. A lot


of people in my constituency certainly didn't want that. They


were not willing to attach their vote to my party and therefore to


give it to me. I think that was a real difficulty during the general


election, for a lot of my colleagues. Neil Carmichael and


Daniel Hannan, thank you very much indeed.


So, there was another election this week, in France.


With Emmanuel Macron now comfortably ensconced as president there,


his new political party is fighting elections for the National


Assembly, and in the first round, they did well.


It's evidence by the way that traction matters in politics -


Macron's success in one election seems to have bolstered his


In fact, his La Republique en Marche party is set to get three-quarters


of the seats in the assembly - the kind of majority it once looked


It's been an extraordinary year in France, for reasons very


different to those preoccupying us here.


He only became President last month - the youngest leader in the G7.


His party didn't exist 18 months ago.


But here's the astonishing map of the leaders in each area


in yesterday's election - Macron's party is in orange.


And in blue, Macron's nemesis, the Front National.


It had the reverse experience, finding that failure


begets more failure - 13% of the vote yesterday.


And most striking, the Socialist Party -


In Macron's favour is a perception he's been doing quite well.


He's had the firmest grip on how to deal with Donald Trump.


He's also the man who's spoken gay rights to Putin in public.


For now, Macron is the man with momentum, and he's using it


to try and rebuild the French alliance with Germany; the one that


allowed France to dominate the EU for all those years,


Now, let's not exaggerate - Macron's liberal globalism


is not to everyone's taste in France at all.


And this is just the first round of two.


But what does Macron's dominance of French politics


tell us about Brexit, and the UK?


I'm joined by Gideon Rachman of the Financial Times and Pauline Bock


Pauline, why is the guy doing so well do you think? Well, he has done


a very good campaign, and to be fair it's not like he's done so well


rather than the others have done quite terribly. He defeated Marine


le Pen, was seen as his biggest opponent during the campaign. This


socialists are in total disarray, they were the ones in government


with Francois Hollande. The won a majority in the Parliament as well,


in 2012, and yesterday they lost, they won only 7% of the vote. They


will lose 200 seats, the sort of thing that you think in a


parliamentary election can't happen. It can apparently, and it does. The


others are not doing so well either, on the left as well. Is that because


the left are split between men and shone on the other side. It probably


is. Mellon shone was the hard left handed and they never reached an


accord, they tried several times but it didn't work. If you add up both


their percentages you could have... Could have had one in the second


round. Could have. The Financial Times likes Macron, did you regret


we don't have one here? It was pretty remarkable for the whole


British self-image. We've seen France as in terrible political


disarray and Britain pretty solid and centrist for a number of years


and now it has flipped. They have a kind of Blairite as their president,


sweeping all before him, as Blair did in 2007, and our politics is


spinning off to the far left and Brexit right. Let's talk about


Europe. The Macron vision is terribly pro-European. One wonders


if the French will stomach is integration, his view of the world.


Sure, there's a long history of French scepticism as well. Macron on


the night he was elected marched out onto the side to the European


anthem, not the French anthem. He is an integration West and I think he


feels he has the momentum behind him now. Unfortunately for Britain it is


quite important for him to demonstrate that leaving the EU,


which is what Marine le Pen seem to be flirting with, is a really bad


idea. So there's no way I think he's going to make it easy for Britain.


You are talking earlier about maybe we could move toward a soft exit. I


think Theresa May would love him to make a gesture tomorrow when they


meet, but I don't think he will give him anything. It's important for


domestic political purposes and for his vision of Europe that Brexit


fails. We always used to think of the French and German alliance as


the motor of the European Union, before we had the ten Eastern


European countries coming in and shifting the whole gravity away from


the rest. Do you think you can sell? Do you think he can rebuild it and


sell it to the French people? Yes, I think he can, I think he's already


doing that. As you said, he marched out to the European anthem. Did they


like that? They did, they make fun of it because that's what they do in


France but I think their date -- they did. There has been some


scepticism in France, but we have the euro, we have the Borders. I


come from the country of three borders, Luxembourg, France and


Germany, so it doesn't work the same way, it's not just Britain on its


island. Because of that he can work with that and he's already doing


that. During his campaign he met with Angela Merkel in Berlin. The


person from his team who made this meeting possible is now Minister of


defence. She is fluent in German. His Prime Minister is also fluent in


German. His death will be sending messages to Germany. -- he's


definitely sending messages to Germany. Bad for Brexit. Why? One of


the arguments going round was Macron's has won, the Front National


has been defeated, they don't have to worry about populism on the


continent any more, so they don't have to punish Britain for leaving


the EU, they can be more relaxed. You are arguing the opposite? I


think it Macron takes a long-term view you cannot assume all those


Eurosceptic forces are dead for ever. He has to prove Brexit is a


bad idea. Equally, if he wants to push for a more integration with


Stewart, Britain has been a brake on that, it's been a bore. The Brits


being out makes it much easier to go to Berlin and say, let's get that


Franco German partnership working together again and go for it. I


think there are questions about whether in the long run the Germans


really will make the moves Macron wants, decree on the transferred


union, transferring money around the EU. I think they are still pretty


hesitant about that. But it is probably his best chance, now, to


get it done. We will leave it there. Thank you both very much.


Four theories as to why the Tories slipped back last Thursday.


One, youthquake - Corbyn engaged the young.


Two, Remainer revenge - pro-EU voters turned away


Three, the populist uprising continues -


disgruntled voters saw Corbyn as the change


candidate this time, and turned to him.


And four, Wooden Theresa - the Prime Minister failed


to come across as human, and voters tend to prefer humans


You'll have your own theories, but Katie Razzall has been


to Bolton to fund out more, a town where the Tories once


A strong and stable leadership, a strong and stable government.


The strong and stable leadership this country needs.


That mantra had its first outing in the church where Theresa May


It was a clear statement that she would take her fight


deep into Labour seats, deep into enemy territory.


That was seven long weeks ago, and back then the expectation


was they'd win big, taking seats off Labour like this one.


But on Thursday, that just didn't happen -


It's marathon day in Bolton North East.


This was just one of the Labour seats that failed to turn


blue in the landslide that never happened.


None of the forecasts were as bleak as this.


It was hard to find Bolton voters who'd been impressed.


It was a disaster, from start to finish.


From starting off in Bolton, and in Bolton North East a Labour


I think it summed up, that's kind of the perfect


metaphor for her campaign, it was completely misguided,


it was completely based on some sort of wild fantasy she had in her head.


Senior Tories in Bolton told us the fiasco over social care really


hurt their campaign, but for these runners getting


ready out of the rain, there were other factors


I was going to do Conservative, like I have done before,


but then after sitting down with my children and they looked


online and they did a poll and they did some other things,


they both decided that they both wanted to do Labour and I thought,


well, it's the children's future now, so I'll put my vote for them.


One of the stories of the campaign was the youth vote,


We don't know how many influenced their parents,


but we do know here they voted in high numbers.


Do you feel that you were very instrumental in what


I feel like we've caused it, because we've gone from having such


a small turnout amongst 18-24-year-olds to


Emily, Charlie, Dylan and Jude are 18 and at Turton high school.


All of them voted Labour and encouraged others to do the same.


I feel like a lot of posts and stuff made on Facebook,


a lot of them more quite comedic, which I feel like it kind


of resonated with the youth, it put it on a personal level,


I think we just wanted to show the rest of the country that we do


We are interested, we're not just going to sit back and let you,


who have had your years to do what you like the country, we're not


Because they don't think that young people are going to turn out


and vote, and I think by encouraging people to go and cast a vote,


I think you're challenging that and showing people that young people


aren't just this sort of this apathetic, silent body that


There was this kind of, oh they'll never turn out,


there's no point even appealing to them, because


And this shows that we do, if you actually offer us something


that, if you actually offer us a good deal.


This is Breightmet in Bolton North East.


The Conservatives expected Ukip voters in places


like this to move to them, but instead Tory councillor


John Walsh saw a late surge of young Labour voters


Their own Ukip surge never materialised.


Many of those who voted Ukip were the salt of the earth,


working-class, hard-working Bolton families.


They were not natural Conservatives, they were in large numbers of Labour


supporters who heard an attractive message from Jeremy Corbyn.


So Corbyn outplayed the Conservatives?


In that sense, yes, his campaign outplayed them.


Is this the worst Conservative campaign you've seen?


I've got to say it probably was, and it probably


was because it was too long, because it went off into many


different directions and we didn't have a focus throughout the campaign


It's gin fizz night at the Last Drop inn.


As the gin and champagne flowed, an explanation perhaps of why


the Tory wooing of Ukip voters didn't pay off from


I voted for him last time, and I voted for him in Brexit.


Because he's not available, I went back to Labour.


Because the Conservatives thought people like you might


Amongst voters here, Tory and non, nobody had a good word to say


All she had to do in this election, based on the lead that she had,


was just not be completely rubbish, and that's what she was.


No, but I think what they'll do is they'll probably form


a coalition if they can, and in 3-4 months, she'll be gone.


The Government misjudged the mood music during this campaign.


Two months ago they hoped a landslide would deliver them this


That strategy cost the Prime Minister dear.


Voters in Bolton, at least, now see turmoil and confusion,


Well, one of the central explanations for Labour's strong


performance last week has been the way in which Labour


and Mr Corbyn engaged younger voters and persuaded them to turn out


We've got three people who fit that description to delve deeper into why


this happened and whether it is now a permanent feature of our politics.


Abi Wilkinson is the professional commentator here, she


And Thorrun Govind, who is 24 and from Bolton,


, why did you vote? Europe Tory voter in the past? -- Thorrun, why


did you vote? Every day in my line of work I am seeing vulnerable


patients... You're a pharmacist by profession? Yes, we're helping


patients but the Government is not helping them and this was a real


vote NHS election for me. So it is about austerity and public services.


About the NHS. Eve, you haven't voted before so we can't say you are


Tory, used to be a Tory. Why did you vote for Jeremy Corbyn? Gave me


hope, compared to every other party who campaigned and tried to get my


vote, it was definitely Jeremy Corbyn who targeted the youth,


targeted people like me, and said this could be your country. Have you


always been quite political, not political at all? Started around


when I was about 15, my mum always kept me in the loop, but it was


definitely Brexit that got me into the politics. Brexit engaged you and


you were a Remains a porter at the time? Yes. Abi, what about you? You


are Labour, so we can say you are especially prone carbon? Not at all.


The country is not working for everyone and has not been for a


while. Like Eve said, we need to fund public services, we need


opportunities. The whole thing, for me, this idea that the country can


get better, our future can be better. Than the past, because at


the moment it feels like we are in a state of decline, employment rights


getting eroded, housing getting more and more unaffordable, and I just


think Labour offered the chance of something better. Can out whether


you can think of something in the Corbyn campaign that really grabbed


you, align, speech? It was the manifesto, the promise to halt the


cuts to community pharmacy. At the moment it is a 20 minute walk for


most people to their community pharmacy and with what the


Conservatives have implement and it will be much further and it is the


hope they are giving me. And did you believe... Not asking this in


negatively but did you believe everything in the manifesto, that


the guy will deliver all of this? Because there was quite a lot of


spending in there, wasn't there? I don't trust any manifesto, but I


have to believe on these key issues like the NHS the Labour Party have


shown they understand these issues. Come on, Eve, what was the moment in


the campaign, the line, the speech you saw our inspired by? For the


many, not the view. That hit me quite hard, and I like -- not the


few. I like how he is trying to make spending there, with tax evasion,


trying to get corporate tax, trying to make people earning over ?80,000


pay their fair tax. He was a little bit equivocal about the EU... That


didn't put you off that? No, it didn't, personally, because it was


not as if David Cameron tried his very best. Abi, what moment in the


campaign, because often... I just wondered. It was the manifesto


launch, when I thought, oh, we could actually do it.


You know, I have always thought a Labour Government is better for the


country. I have always thought left of the Labour Party, that the Labour


Party had the solutions. I thought we needed a radical shake-up, but


then when the manifesto came out, I thought people would like this. With


the Corbyn thing, the same initials as Jesus Christ, JC, a bit of a


cult, and you have all given policy things, rather than Corbyn things.


Green Mackey does have a fan club, young people on social media, Jeremy


Corbyn, the absolute boy, he's a great guy dream act -- yes, he does


have a Fanclub. But undercutting that is the sense that things need


to change and it is possible to change things. He is not just a


figurehead. It is not just about him. This is about people who have


bold ideas and believe it is possible for things to get better,


and necessary. Eve, a lot of people have said to some extent, trying to


dismiss the durability of the kind of movement that has emerged, I


suppose, that it is all about student fees, and whoever throws


that at them, those that are the largest number of people, they win


the election. I think you will see, no, it is not about student fees,


but was it about student fees? My vote was not about student fees,


because I decided early on I would vote Labour, but he came out with


the student fees and it kind of sold it for me. And you believed it, that


they would get rid of student fees? I'm not saying they will not, but


you thought it was credible, before people have said that and not


delivered it. I was hesitant that it would happen in 2017, that early on.


Perhaps 2018, but I believed him. When he said he would scrap them


eventually. OK, now, the other interesting aspect of this, and this


sounds like a ghastly middle-aged man peering into the lives of


younger people and I hate this kind of thing, but will you get your


media from? Where you get your news from? What do you do? Is an all


social media? Are you reading newspapers, what kind of stuff are


you getting on social media? I am an avid tweeter all the time, mainly


about pharmacy but also about politics, and I think my Twitter


feed has changed recently. I was following a lot of pro-Tory feeds


and suddenly it has become all about Labour, and I think... There is


nothing beats a Sunday morning with a newspaper, but maybe I'm a bit


old-fashioned like that. All right, Eve, what do you do? No newspapers


for me. I don't read those kind of things. I am very much a social


media person. The Canary... I get a lot of social media news from


Twitter. Personally I don't trust this book. It is more of an old


person's kind of... When you see from Twitter, what do you mean? Is


it from... Clips from Newsnight, or wild unsourced allegation from


somebody? It is fact a lot of the time, stating facts, with links and


evidence behind it. Do you read it carefully? You don't just accept it?


I don't want a fact without evidence. I think one of the most


interesting things about this election is how much money the


Conservatives spent on social media, and how the Labour Party managed to


reach for more people with a fraction of the spending, just


because young people... And older people, they were so enthusiastic


about what they were offering they were sharing it, and showing their


friends. I think they spent ?2000 on their Facebook adverts, and reached


12.7 million people in the last week of Facebook adverts, whereas the


Tories spent ?1 million on Facebook and did not have the same reach.


Thank you. Last and really important question. Come the next election, do


you think that you and your peers will behave in the same way as you


did on this one, or do you think you will revert to the type, the


stereotype, not going out, perhaps not being quite as engaged, do you


think you will stick with it? I think Corbyn has created such a


wave. Even if he is not there? It depends who replaces him but he


himself has created such a way. Would you come back to the Tories? I


think I would have to consider the manifesto is and what they actually


deliver. We could still have another election yet. But you don't like


paying high taxes? I don't like paying high taxes but I don't want


to see people suffer and I don't want a return to the nasty party.


Thank you all very much. Now, in a story that was seemingly


designed for the great pun-machine that is Twitter,


we learned today that there will be no goats harmed in the writing


of the Queen's Speech. The parchment on which it is written


is called goats skin parchment but it turns out that is, in fact,


not made of the skin of goats. So whenever the speech takes place,


there were at least some celebrations ringing


out across the country. We want to be free to do


what we want to do, That's what we're going to do,


we're going to have a party.


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