24/07/2017 Newsnight

Tonight, the President's son-in-law tells the press

We hear from Jared Kushner, as he's called to give evidence

Let me be very clear - I did not collude with Russia,

nor do I know of anyone else in the campaign who did so.

And we ask President Obama's legal counsel if there's any more to this

Also tonight: The fate of the Northern Powerhouse.

It was George Osborne's pet project, designed to upgrade the trains

of Northern England, but did it almost get

I was a Minister up when it was pretty obvious that those two

advisers to Theresa May were purely out of animosity trying to

discourage her from continuing get and apparently doing things without

her knowledge. We'll ask the Mayor of Manchester,

Andy Burnham, what he makes of that. We're all talking

about women's cricket. We'll be talking about women's

sport more generally, We'll ask a sports executive

and a former Ashes winner Washington is reeling from

an extraordinary public appearance from someone they hear much of,

but see very little. Jared Kushner is President

Trump's senior advisor. He's also his son-in-law,

husband of Ivanka. Today, he was called to give

evidence over four meetings he had Meetings critics say

could have interfered We'll ask whether the sound and fury

that surrounds team Trump and Russia At the Senate, were also hearing

protests about health reform, the bill in its last stages may not get

past with certainty this week. First, the day as we saw it here.

A man whose name is whispered throughout Washington,

But today, Jared Kushner unwillingly entered the limelight,

aiming to dispel rumours of collusion with Russia.

I am senior adviser to President Donald J Trump.

For many, it was the first time we'd heard his voice.

It sounded for a moment like a resignation speech.

The record and documents I have voluntarily provided will show that

all of my actions were proper and occurred in the normal course

Let me be very clear - I did not collude with Russia,

nor do I know of anyone else in the campaign who did so.

Earlier, Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser had been

He arrived low-key, no motorcade, to give evidence

The press were not fed as handsomely as they'd hoped.

I think one of the interesting dynamics of this process has been

the degree to which, from our point of view as reporters, if you look at

the York of this, when we ask questions over the months and longer

than months now, where their meetings with Russians? Did you talk

about these things? We will always told, no, no, no, absolutely not.

Then when you've find out such a thing happened, you have to say, why

were you guys denying this for so long? And what else would you deny

now that might later proved to be true?

He was grilled about his four meetings with Russian

contacts before the election and pre-empted his speech

with an extraordinary 11-page statement to the Select Committee,

insisting nothing inappropriate had occurred.

When you talk to those in the Trump administration, they accuse critics,

Democrats, we the mainstream media, of a certain level of hysteria over

this issue. Political campaigns are tawdry things, one source told me

who has run a fuel himself. If someone offers you dirt on an

opponent, you take it, it is hard to turn a deaf ear. There is a certain

truth to that, but where does grubby politics start being something a

little more sinister? Something that, in the words

of former CIA Director John Brennan, There is a great deal of alarm among

foreign policy experts, over different administrations like John

Brennan, that this case is about if nothing else the weakening of

American power and influence internationally. Because we are as a

country if not being snookered by Russia, then at least going along

with and agreeing with Russia and a host of issues where we have not

previously agreed with them. So, what exactly is being

alleged about the Trump Well, Donald Trump's always been

much more favourably disposed towards Vladimir Putin

than his fellow Republicans. American intelligence agencies

all agree that not only was Russia behind the e-mail hacks on Democrats

last year that were so damaging to Hillary Clinton,

but that the hacks were designed specifically to help

Donald Trump win. A dossier compiled by ex-MI6 agent

Christopher Steele on behalf of Trump's opponents made various

salacious, albeit so far unverified, allegations about what motives

Donald Trump might have for working A number of Trump's closest advisers

and relatives have been caught lying about or omitting to mention

contacts they had with Russian officials or Russians

with Kremlin links. President Trump's attitude

to the investigation has He fired the FBI Director

James Comey because of - And he's been publicly

critical of the team assembled by Robert Mueller,

the special counsel tasked with investigating

those Russia ties now. Kushner maintained he joined those

meetings late, half-briefed. Protestations some heard as him

throwing Don Junior, When the family business

is running America, things get Here, Washington's summer has

erupted into the rain. That is the sound. We're sitting in a place

literally called the swamp. Familiar to viewers more as a metaphor for

somewhere Trump has promised to drain. We will talk about that now

with Obama's legal counsel when he was President and Ron Christie the

Republican strategist. Thank you for sitting through a

soaking wet shower. Jared Kushner, extraordinary intervention today

when he came in front of the cameras because we had not seen him because

the hearing was closed. And he made that point of saying, this was

basically sour grapes, he won a good campaign, Trump did it and anybody

suggesting anything else was just sort of being bitter about it. He

probably knows better. Ten days ago now, we had the release of e-mails

indicating where conversations between people claiming to be

members of the Russian government and the Trump campaign for some

collaboration to the presidency campaign, so we have genuine

questions and Mr Kushner understands that, I think. This is the trouble,

there had been so many inconsistencies, you can call them

lies or certainly on troops. People saying they have not had meetings we

now know they did, why would you believe any of this? Good evening,

Bob and I understand that having filled out security clearance forms,

you have to have a good sense of who you have spoken to and what you

spoke about and the fact he has had to amend this a couple of times

makes you wonder what else are you not disclosing to the American

people? So you are nervous as a Republican watching this? As a

Republican watching this, get it out early, tell the truth. Disclosed to

the American people everything you have done and if you have nothing to

hide, there is nothing to worry about. These amendments make me

think, what else will we uncover from this investigation? Even if a

lot of stuff is uncovered, we have an extraordinary statement from

Donald Trump saying he has the ability as President to pardon. Yes,

I don't know where he get that idea, there is significant disagreement

about it and there is nothing to suggest that. There is no precedent

for that? There is no precedent and serious reason to doubt it. It is

certainly a matter if he chose a course like that that would go

before a United States Supreme Court and I don't know he would be very

happy with the outcome. If they meeting has taken place, has it been

illegal? Why are we talking about this in terms of collusion? Many

Republicans would say these were four meetings in good faith by

anyone trying to work out if there was dirt on their opponent, what is

wrong with that? Let's take the meeting in June, arranged by Donald

Trump Junior, in Trump Tower, he received an e-mail saying Russia

wanted to help their government support Donald Trump and they came

from Moscow for the purpose of having that conversation. So right

there, you have fundamentally a question under the law prohibiting

campaigns from soliciting support from Front National is and prohibits

foreign nationals from providing support to American political

campaigns. -- soliciting support from foreign nationals. How much

more will come out? How long will the Republican Party and loyal

supporters such as yourself stand back and find excuses always to

explain what is going on? As a lawyer, I look at this and say, a

meeting does not collusion make. You need to have a sustained campaign

and effort to get something of value from a foreign sourced and we have

not seen that yet. But I will say this, a lot of people in this

building behind us nervous as Republicans, from swing districts,

and when do we cut the chord with the President and run more

independent from him for real action rather than stick with this

administration? That is coming very quickly. I look at September at the

latest, a lot of Republicans fleeing from this administration. Just go?

Just go. If you are hearing cheering off-camera, it is a protest about

the health care bill that Donald Trump is trying to pass this week.

Mike has just driven in to bully the senators into going his way. A lot

of this has been forgotten in this talk of Russia. Is that something he

gets through? What is your sense of this? It does not appear there is

any unified Republican support for an alternative for the health gap

bill passed in the Obama Administration. Senator McConnell

and speaker Ryan tries to find common ground and it is not there.

The Republican a little constituency is not comfortable with having the

health care provided under the previous statute. I think we have

lost family. That was a rainfall, not a feeble British drizzle! That

really was quite something. We will move on.

Time was you couldn't avoid the words 'Northern Powerhouse'

But then George Osborne was sacked by Theresa May

and, as it was his pet project, it seemed to fade somewhat.

And there are new worries about it now, because the Government has

announced it's potentially scaling back some earlier promised

basic upgrades of rail services around Manchester.

This goes back to a precursor to the Northern Powerhouse,

which was a project called the Northern Hub, which involved

extra platforms at Piccadilly station, better connections

between the stations within Manchester and electrification

Some of this has now been questioned by the Transport

Ironically, though, Mr Grayling did give today a tentative thumps-up

to a hugely expensive project in London, Crossrail 2.

The Northern Powerhouse very much back in the news, and you have been

speaking to one of the early Fathers of this project. This evening I

spoke to Jim O'Neill, one of the fathers of the Northern Powerhouse

project, and he told me that Theresa May is strongly committed to this

project, but interestingly, he told me that he believes that the former

joint chiefs of staff, Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy, had attempted to

discourage the Prime Minister from continuing with it. He talked about

his annoyance in government, he resigned in September over

frustration on a number of fronts, but Nick Timothy has denied these

claims, he has told me tonight it is categorically untrue and I was

responsible for saying we needed more of the same for more of our

cities. So that is the debate around Jim O'Neill, but new concerns around

the Northern Powerhouse because of these announcements. That is right,

this green light for Crossrail 2, North- South in London, and a

question over the electrification of the East- West links in the north.

So with those questions, I have been taking a look at the proposed

modernisation of northern railways. We are a nation of, if not exactly

train spotters, then certainly train lovers - back to the cards of the

1960s, our leaders have learned that they tamper with our railways at

their peril. Today the Transport Secretary, Chris Grayling, ushered

in end of the era of rail travel when he gave strong support to

Crossrail 2, a new link through London. But is the attention being

lavished on our capital also being matched in the North of England?

Only last week, Chris Grayling appeared to cast doubt over the

Government's commitment to the Northern Powerhouse by suggesting

that an upgraded line between Leeds and Manchester may not be fully

electrified. George Osborne, who championed the Northern Powerhouse

in government, may be disappointed. We want to build the Northern

Powerhouse, we want to make sure that our country is going across the

nation, not just in London and the south-east, not just putting all of

our bets on the City of London, and that means investing in the

transport of the North, and we are publishing a comprehensive transport

strategy that includes faster routes between Manchester and Leeds. But

the father of the Northern Powerhouse says electrification of

that line isn't everything. I kind of sympathise with many other

council leaders in the North who are saying this sort of thing, as they

have done before when previous plans for a electrification have been

delayed. I think they are being a little bit too emotional and that

they are probably not focusing on the real substantive matters. The

electrification issue over the Pennines is not really... It is a

bit of a red herring. The key to the speed is the straightness of the

line. Jim O'Neill resigned last year. Tonight, the former Goldman

Sachs executive tells Newsnight he believes that Theresa May's former

Joint Chiefs of Staff, Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy, tried to downgrade

the Northern Powerhouse out of spite towards George Osborne. He became

suspicious when the former communications director accused

Fiona Hill of encouraging staff to strip out references to the Northern

Powerhouse. Well, of course I saw that report, and it justified my

annoyance when I was a minister, when it was pretty obvious that that

those two advisers were, purely out of animosity, trying to discourage

it from continuing, and apparently doing things without her knowledge.

But now that they are gone, I think it is more likely that this Prime

Minister will be more supportive of it. Nick Timothy has told Newsnight

these claims are categorically untrue. The former Number Ten

adviser said he was responsible for saying the Government needed more of

the spirit of the Northern Powerhouse for more cities. The

former minister believes Theresa May is now wholly committed to the

project. We have a new Northern Powerhouse minister, who I have

spoken to, and I think he feels quite empowered by the PM. I think

it is going to get more notoriety than it has done for the past few

months without those two add advisers around. So perhaps our

nation of train lovers can be reassured that the Northern

Powerhouse is back on track. But George Osborne has this evening put

down a marker - if Britain is serious about its future, it needs

to recommit to those Northern Rail links.

Andy Burnham, the Labour Mayor of Greater Manchester,

Good evening to you. Did you get the sense, in period from last summer to

this summer, that there was a sidelining of the whole Northern

Powerhouse thing in central government? Oh, very much so, and I

heard a rumour in Westminster that the phrase Northern Powerhouse had

been banned from press releases and speeches, and that was confirmed at

the weekend by the former press officer at Number Ten. And it

worries me greatly, because we have sensed ever since George Osborne

left that there has been oh real commitment to the north in the

current government. I cannot see anyone speaking up for the North,

and to be fair to George Osborne, he did at least do that, and he

deserves credit for that, but I have become buried worried about the lack

of commitment to the North, and indeed the promises it made. It

promised people a powerhouse, and everyone is asking, where is it? How

serious do you think the announcement is that there may not

be the extra platforms at Piccadilly station and there may not be the

entire electrification of the Trans-Pennine route? I think the

Government would be making a major mistake if it and estimates the fury

that people here feel when they see those announcements last week and

then here today that billions more will be spent on London. You know,

number one, Crossrail 2 was not in the Conservative manifesto, so on

what basis has it gone to the front of the queue haired of the North? I

think many people in our country would see those links across the

North as a high priority. But number two, all of this has been announced

since Parliament went up. I would have loved to see Chris Grayling

announced the scrapping of various schemes for electrification

alongside Roswell two, because there would have been uproar. I will

contact MPs in Greater Manchester and across the North, because while

this may be the Government's view that it can cancel the schemes and

give the green light to Crossrail, I do not think it will be Parliament's

view, and MPs need to seek a vote to see whether MPs agree that this is

the way to proceed with rail investment in our country. Jim

O'Neill, the one who was saying that he thought it was being sidelined,

he didn't think it was any longer necessarily being sidelined and that

the short-term staff around a electrification and the Northern Hub

project, the predecessor project, that is not the point, and it has

not been abandoned - you are talking like they have abandoned it, but

they are still officially committed to it, right? I very much hope that

Jim is right, I am not necessarily here to play party politics. If they

had said that they would make commitments to the north and honour

that, I would be the first to say thank you, because this is where the

need is, the North cannot become a powerhouse economy unless there is

serious investment in our rail and transport infrastructure, and that

is the point that Jim O'Neill has correctly made this evening. But we

can't wait forever, we need improvements now, that is why

electrification is important, and it is why we need more capacity at

Manchester Piccadilly. People travelling across northern cities

who will have other long commute home tonight, they will be furious

watching your programme, hearing the news that the Government has cut

back on rail investment in the North on the day it has given the green

light to Crossrail 2. I think they will peel that the Government is not

listening to what people are saying, they are not governing for the whole

country. Do they have any other vision for the North? Post-Brexit

Britain, coming up with an economic model for the whole country is what

everybody says is the gold - do they have a plan for the North of

England? Well, if they do, I have not heard it yet, and if everyone

would hear it, it is me, because I am listening very carefully to what

they say. Another example of why I am getting worried - David Davis

gave me a commitment that he would meet me shortly after the mayoral

election alongside that newly elected mayors to talk about Brexit,

and that has not happened. We are hearing rumours about education

funding post-16, that they may try to change that. So we have no

evidence at the moment that they are committed or have a vision for the

North, but they need one, they need to help the Northern economy have a

positive future outside of the European Union, they need to help us

invest in new industries like digital, advance manufacturing, but

I have not seen any evidence of that yet. But none of it is possible

without investment in 21st century infrastructure. Andy Burnham,

thanks. In Kabul, dozens were killed

in a suicide car bombing today. The numbers killed in terror attacks

there are horrifying. 49 dead in March when gunmen

attacked a military hospital. 150 killed by a truck

bomb at the end of May. The people of Afghanistan

are bearing an insufferable burden, caught between the Taliban and IS,

who sometimes claim responsibility for attacks,

and an unpopular central government in Kabul that doesn't

control the whole country. Remember, the Afghan war

goes back to 2001, so it's 16 years

of unresolved conflict now. The British withdrew in 2014,

the Americans still have a presence. Our diplomatic editor,

Mark Urban, has been looking

at the state of things. this time attacking

government workers in a bus. and it comes at a time when policy

in Washington is deadlocked and the Afghan security

situation worsening. The Afghan national security forces

are suffering completely unsustainable casualties in the war

over the past year as well. They also simply can't sustain

in terms of replacing lost troops or troops lost to casualties

or simply leaving the army. And they're losing

territory as well. There's been a slow rolling back

of government authority from 72% of the country's districts in

November 2015 to 60% this February, and an expansion

of insurgent-held districts Things this year

have deteriorated further. For the British, insurgent gains

in Helmand province have proven particularly

hard to swallow. Guerilla groups taking over

districts like Sangin or Musa Qala, where hundreds of British soldiers

lost their lives. There have been

other Taliban gains, major attacks have happened in

Ghor and Badakhshan provinces. What I'm seeing there, really,

is what has always been the case, It's being held, the Afghans

are doing a fantastic job there, but at the extremities

it's much harder. to see Afghanistan's security

in isolation from Pakistan. The Afghan government has often

blamed a major attacks in Kabul on proxies of Pakistan

military intelligence, and the Trump administration wants

to increase pressure on Pakistan - So that ranges from withholding

more military assistance but also much more sort of robust,

hard-nosed options. They're trying to put

the screws on Islamabad, including things like expanding

the scope of drone strikes to try and target Taliban

and other militant leaders in parts of Pakistan outside

of the Tribal Areas, where drones have previously

not been flown, and that would provoke a real sort

of crisis in US-Pakistan relations. And as the campaign

against government bases in rural Afghanistan has stepped up,

insurgents have used the type of tactics

we've seen in Syria and Iraq. Here, you can see a light truck,

circled there, heading into a police base in

Helmand province late last year. It penetrates right into the base

through the gate there Now, late last week,

a more sophisticated tactic one of the key places in the British

campaign to secure Helmand province. There's a ring of security posts

around the town, and the Taliban attacked it

with three truck bombs, captured Humvees,

lightly armoured vehicles, one of them driven by the son

of a local Taliban leader. They then followed up

with an infantry attack. It's very hard for lightly

armed police and troops I think what's needed is to continue

to invest in the specialist capabilities which will make

all the difference for the Afghans in this campaign and will give them

the edge over the Taliban. So the British have

announced, I think, The Americans, as you say,

are considering their options - I think General McMaster,

James Mattis, General Nicholson, these are very competent,

wise individuals US Marines have been involved

in the recent Helmand fighting, drawn in by the deterioration

in security. President Trump and his military

advisers, meanwhile, are deadlocked about whether thousands

more should be sent - but what none of them want

is for the Afghan government to collapse under this

new insurgent onslaught. Mark Urban with a rather grim

assessment of the situation. Lord Dannatt oversaw Britain's

operations in Afghanistan as Chief of the Defence Staff

from 2006 to 2009. He is now a crossbench peer,

and he joins me from Norwich. A very good evening to you. Do you

recognise that the country there is slipping away? Well, I certainly

recognise, on the basis of the film you have just shown, that the

situation remains very difficult, and as is expected, it remains one

that we have to fight, or the Afghan security forces have to fight with

great intensity. I think the proportion of the country that the

film showed, of 10-12% under Taliban control, is entirely consistent with

what we expected. Kandahar province, Helmand province, these were always

the heartlands of the insurgency against the Kabul government, so it

is not at all surprisingly this is where the focus of the fighting is.

And then of course you have got very, very sallies forth by the

Taliban into Kabul to catch the headline - very successfully, I may

say, courtesy of the international media - of what goes on in Kabul.

You said the Afghan army needs to fight. Let me be clear. We, the

British Government, may have ended our combat operations in 2014, but

the British Government did not end its support to the Afghan

government. There were over 500 British servicemen still serving in

Afghanistan. Principally running the Afghan National Army officer

training Academy. Many international diplomats and other experts

supporting the Government activities. We have not abandoned

Afghanistan. We have changed our support to Afghanistan because

frankly, Afghanistan remains an extraordinarily important player in

the stability of that part of the wider region in that part of the

world. You can go to districts like Musa Qala in Helmand Province, many

British troops died trying to keep those districts. They are now

occupied by the Taliban. How much does that upset you? Of course, in

the narrow context of the families of those who lost their loved ones

in fighting those tactical battles, it upsets me hugely. But in the

wider context of the wider operational and strategic effort to

try and stabilise Afghanistan, to become a significant player in that

part of the world, it is understandable. The loss of life of

any individual leaves a shattered family and extraordinarily

regrettable. But in the bigger picture, I'm afraid casualties have

to be accepted. Afghanistan is very important in that part of the world,

Musa Qala tactically is important, as is Sangin, but if we lose control

of those places, in the wider picture, it matters a lot but it

does not necessarily matter in the big picture. Do you have an idea of

what we should do about Pakistan? By all accounts, it is causing much of

the instability in Afghanistan. We were not sorting out the one without

finding a solution to what the other one is trying to get out of that? I

cannot agree this wider issue means test needs to be tackled

energetically on the wider diplomatic circuit and extraordinary

pressure should be brought on Afghanistan. The ambivalent attitude

that Pakistan has had towards the situation in Afghanistan, the ISI

has played both sides against the centre, this is quite extraordinary,

quite unacceptable, and the United States, United Kingdom, united

European Union, anybody else with influence should bring it on to

Pakistan to say, let's get settled on this. Because you not helping.

And I also, a parallel conversation, with slightly less intensity, should

be brought on India as well. Do we have much influence in this, does

the Foreign Office have the power to knock heads together? You would

think in Pakistan, you might have, but I wonder whether we do. In the

bigger context of Brexit, we think we want to be a big player in the

world, maybe we should be, maybe we are a big player in the world. India

and Pakistan are part of a sort of heritage, we do have influence in

those parts of the world, I think our international diplomats should

be on and off the jets very rapidly banging heads together in that part

of the world to say Afghanistan mattered in the 19th century, it

mattered in the 20th century and it sure as hell matters in the

21st-century. Thank you very much. You will already know that England

won the Women's Cricket It was a well-timed victory

in a dramatic match, giving a big push to women's team

sports, ahead of the women's Euro football tournament

and the Rugby World Cup this summer. It feels like it's been a year

in which there has been growing spectator interest in women's sports

but, true as that is, we are still clearly at the stage

where, on programmes like this, we often end up discussing women's

sport as a progressive social trend, So where does women's sport go,

and how fast can the business, With me now is the former England

bowler Isa Guha and Joanne Adams, the Chief Executive

of England Netball. Good evening. Am I right, Isa, it

has been a big year for women's sport? You were playing in the World

Cup when? In 2005. Won in 2009 in Sydney and we did get a fair bit of

coverage, but it quickly dwindled away and that is where I think

cricket can really learn from that. A successful campaign for the

England women, still recovering from yesterday, to be honest! A truly

special moment for everyone involved. You got a sense everybody

was pulling together. But we were speaking of air about the fact that

the significant change was around the 2012 Olympics. The 2012

Olympics? Absolutely, the focus on women in sport. The Government made

a big push to try to include women's sport in the media. And as a result,

we have had a knock-on effect. It gets trajectory and people get

interested? There has been a change perception. Does it feel like a

moment, Joanne, is tipping point? Yes, I think so, sport been working

hard for many years. But there does seem to be now a point where there

is a magic moment in time. We have just had the Cricket World Cup, we

have the hockey World Cup in 2018 and the netball World Cup in 2019.

There is a three-year span when we can maximise from a commercial and

broadcast point of view. We have seen netball is the team game that

does not have the men's counterpart, on my cricket and football. Does

that make it easier to promote, or harder? It is a double-edged sword.

We do not have the millions of pounds are backing the men's game it

can give. They did not previously, but they are now investing. So

everything we have to create on our own. And it is our USP, it is women

that play it, with predominantly administrated, the volunteers are

nearly all women, so it does have a unique position within a woman's

life. It is double-edged. Isa, what drives some sports, especially the

non-team sports in the Olympics, it is virtual parity, and in other

sports, it is a long way between the men's game and the women's game.

What counts for how much parity or equality there is? Yes, I think

individual sports, you look at Jessica Ennis, she is constantly out

in the media and she is a singular entity, but has been the kind of

champion and has done so well for Great Britain. Whereas team sports,

you only have one or two stars and that has been the case with cricket

in the past. But now, when the ICC decided to broadcast every single

game of the Women's World Cup, we suddenly were able to see all of

these girls on the bigger stage and certainly throughout England's

campaign, it was not down to one or two individuals, it was every single

person contributing at different times. And I think on the back of

that, the media and the broadcast cottoned onto it and everyone was

talked about. Joanne, you must know in netball, there is a chicken and

egg and the media do not arrive until there is the interest and the

interest does not happen without the media? We cannot just say, oh, woe

is me, we have to create stories and an interest and that is what we have

done really well. In netball, we look at ways women can play the game

and we find the right form of the game for the right form of women so

we have turned ourselves into a sports business and we have created

the interest. Once we do that, we can take the products to the

broadcasters and sponsors. We have to take responsibility for that and

we have done it really well in women's sport. Now it is time to

push on, we need the broadcasters and the money, the investment. It

seems to me, I'm not clear about the audience. Is it men interested in

cricket? Women interested in cricket? Women who are not

interested in cricket, but who are interested in women's sport? A bit

of both, the final was played in front of a sell-out crowd, 50% of

the tickets were women in going down to watch. A completely new audience

and I think across the world globally, it is not just women, it

is men as well. You look at India and how much the male counterparts

got behind their team. 1.2 billion people living in India and everybody

is glued to the screens throughout the Indian campaign. It appeals to

everyone. More importantly, it is the legacy that is being created and

trying to appeal to young boys and girls. There is no better time for

women and girls to get involved in cricket. Joanne, do you think in

team sport, netball being the exception, do you think there is a

day when parity, anything like parity will be achieved between

women's soccer or cricket and men's? It is our dream. Across sport,

people do not want to say it is the women's or the men's version, it is

just great sport and people wanting to watch it as a great spectacle and

to be administered throughout the game. Thank you both very much.

That's it for tonight, but we leave you with news

If you were worried about Emily and the downpour in Washington, they did

not completely disappear, but they sent this photograph taken a couple

of minutes after they went off air! Clearly, the weather moves as

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