10/08/2017 Newsnight


With Evan Davis. Stories include Newcastle street grooming and if the UK should 'de-grow' the economy. Plus British Airways in focus and Trump on North Korea.

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Questions on culture, religion and sex.


It doesn't come more awkward than that, but in the wake


of several street grooming crimes involving Muslims, questions


They are not Asian, but are they Japanese,


No, they are Muslim of Pakistani extraction,


Bangladeshi descent, Turkish connections, whatever.


Why we afraid to say they are Muslim?


Tonight, with a panel of four young Muslims, we hear the debate


within their community, on what the problem is,


Also tonight, the paradox of the national flag carrier.


British Airways' profit is flying high.


But the brand seems to be having an ever bumpier ride.


You know that feeling when a guy you like sends you a text at two


clock on a Tuesday night asking if he can come and find you?


And too much too food, as Facebook launches its version of TV, we


wonder whether the industry can keep up the pace on the production of


blockbuster shows. After Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford,


Derby and quite a few other cases, and now Newcastle, the pattern


of street grooming of young girls by gangs of mainly Pakistani


or other Asian Muslim Today, Ken Macdonald, a former


Director of Public Prosecutions, said it is "a disease of racism


and sexism that will not abate Labour MP Sarah Champion said that


"people are more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be


wrong about calling out child abuse", which has inhibited


exposure of wrong-doing. She asked, "Why are we not


commissioning research to see what is going on and how we need


to change what is going on, It's a good question,


so we are going to ask it for the first part


of the programme this evening. First, Rabiya Limbada


reports from Oxford. Nens, some of the 18 and one woman


convicted of abusing girls in Newcastle tsm men convicted were


mainly British-born, and came from Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Indian,


Iraqi, Iranian and Turkish communities.


A report in 2011 by the child exploitation and online protection


centre identified over 2000 potential localised grooming


offenders, ethnicity data was only available for one third. Of these,


49% were white, and 46% Asian. These figures include both group and


individual cases of grooming. But, they are stark when you


consider the UK Asian population is round 7%. I can hear a woman getting


slapped about. A police call made by a guest who was is concerned about


what he could hear in the room next door to him in Exford. In 2013 seven


men were jailed for abusing six girls in Oxford over an eight year


period. In that case, known as operation bullfinch two of men were


of east African origin and five Pakistani, a Serious Case Review in


2015 called for research into why a significant proportion of people


convicted in these kinds of cases are of Pakistani and or Muslim


heritage. So far, that research has a been forthcoming.


The Muslim community in Oxford are still trying to answer those


question, themselves. I think quite often their fathers are disconnected


from what it is is like to grow up in England. They have come from back


home, and so these boys are trying to navigate themselves through an


awful lot of emotions and challenges, and their fathers can't


give them the right guidance or the right advice. So they find it


elsewhere, and often that leads to bad company. Hear many of the


victims of the grooming gang were picked up girls as young adds 11


plied with alcohol and drugs and subjected to the most appalling


sexual abuse, there have been efforts by community groups and


religious leaders to get people to talk openly about what happened.


Many say not enough has been done. We should stop pussyfooting about


and says these are Asian men, they Japanese, Korean, Malaysian? They


are Muslim of Pakistani extraction, Bangladeshi descent, Turkish


connections whatever, why are we after Fred to say they are Muslim


Who why are we being politically correct? Unless we really tackle


this head on, we are not going to solve this. OK but whose


responsibility is this is this We the Muslim community have a great


responsibility to condemn this in publish there are 2 thousand mosques


in this country. How many do you think tomorrow will be nameling and


shaming all of those 17, 18 people. The biggest challenge now facing the


authorities investigating these cases, is how to get Muslim


communities to trust them enough, to tell them what is happening in their


tell them what is happening in their midst.


As you heard, the statistics say that Asians are about 50% more


likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than the rest


For street grooming offences more specifically,


But before we move on, a quick statistical point.


It's dodgy to make ethnic or religious generalisations


comparing Muslims and non-Muslims, on the basis of a tiny


Even if a Muslim man was ten times more likely to be


convicted of a sexual offence than a non-Muslim - which he's not -


You are literally talking about comparing a population


a population that is 99.96% non-offending.


group, and it makes little difference to the group overall.


So you have to be careful about sweeping judgments


on the differences between these groups.


However, that being said, a lot of people think


that the numbers understate important cultural characteristics


of different religions and that the Muslim community more


So with me now is a panel, exclusively Muslim,


The journalist Anira Khokhar, the founder of British Muslim


Youth Muhbeen Hussain, the film-maker and journalist


Mobeen Azhar and Saba Zaman, a journalist based in Bristol.


Ing and shaming all of those 17, 18 people.


The biggest challenge now facing the authorities investigating these


cases, is how to get Muslim communities to trust them enough, to


tell them what is happening in their midst. Good evening. I want to


started whether we are framing this OK by saying we have a Muslim panel


discuss bhag is a Muslim problem. Muhbeen. Is that, do you reck nigh


that as a problem. No we are framing it incorrectly. We have had a guy


come on in the earlier piece saying it is not Japanese or these


different culture, Islam is a religion of all cultures, the


largest Muslim population in the world is Indonesia, to say this is a


Muslim problem. These grooming gangs were individuals that were using


alcohol, drugs and having sessions exploiting these young girl, I don't


know what is Islamic about drinking alcohol and exploiting young girls.


You want to separate it from the religion? Do the rest of you feel


that? He has a fair point. There are cultural parallels that are being


made, and religious parallels across the media, generally, there are no


religious parallel has been made so in your intro it is interesting.


What I do find interesting is we have a Muslim panel here, but this


situation is not just exclusively Muslim community, it is across all,


but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and it needs to be addressed.


What do you feel There is a thing here, there is a pattern, that


reoccurring whenever this happen, I am sure you can relate to this. When


you hear these stories breaking, you wince when you hear Muslim names,


and as a community, we are really uncomfortable and really used to


reacting. We are used to reacting and saying this is nothing do with


us our or community. I don't think anyone in their right mind would say


this is a theological issue, they are doing this because they are good


Muslim, known would say that, having said that, we have to acknowledge


that sex and sexuality and gender and respect for the opposite gender,


are issues within certain parts of the south Asian community, the Arab


community and large sections of the Muslim community. These are things


that we have to discuss, in our communities and we have seen this


pattern, in Newcastle and Rotherham and we can't shy away from these


issues. I go back to you on that, do you agree with that? It is a


different way of framing it, but do you buy what is being said?


Partially we have to look at this, but recognise we are dealing with


it. Let me give you a clear image of what had in Rotherham, when the


Rotherham grooming scandal came about the British Muslim youth


organised the first demonstration against these criminals that were


claiming to be from our communitiches we demonstrated. You


will never see the far right come out against Jimmy Savile. I have not


see the EDL outside the BBC studios. We have people coming out. In fact


it was a Pakistani man who recognised these people and it came


out. Help us out. It is between these different interpretations of


how we frame the problem are are you? The labelling is incorrect. I


don't think it is a Muslim problem, as the rest of the panel have


suggested and we happen to be Muslims, which it would have been


nice to have other religions because it is not just the Muslim community


who have the issue, we have seen many cases where there has been


white groups, that have been grooming and there has been young


children being raped but we don't label them as white Christian


grooming gang, we label them by name or we label them as just a group,


and I think it is unfair that that is not the same, these are criminals


at the end of the day. They should be treated like that. Even if they


weren't, as I have seen across the board, the media hasn't called it


out adds a Muslim specific case in this particular case today. I


mentioned it earlier I think when even if it is not due the names and


the cultural associations there are cultural assumptions that are made


when there are people from certain communities with certain names


backgrounds, this is from the south Asian diaspora. It is hard to


separate that. It does exist. Can I ask you, start us off on this, about


the cultural issues attitudes to sex, you kind of raised this, you


clearly think there is a bit of an issue. Of course there is. It made a


programme a few I think about a year ago called The Muslim Sex Doctor I


spent time shadowing an imam working in this field, and he was very open,


he would tell me within, and I know this, you guys must know this from


within the Pakistani community there are issues in terms of the narrow


definition of the kind of women who deserve respect, this is a cultural


thing, it is not a religious thing but we, we will use this word that


means honour and we will see a woman who is wearing the hijab, who cooks


and clean, who is the Queen of the home, she deserves respect. Now what


happens then, when you have people who are raised in those


environments, and they get jobs as taxi drivers and working in


takeaways and they join the night-time economy. That is an


ongoing theme in all these case, you have these men who have grown up in


this climate, who all of a sudden are face to face with women who


don't fit that model. So women who might like a drink or women who wear


short skirts, or who are quite loud. And that doesn't fit with their


definition of a person, that deserves respect. That is a problem.


You have to address that. And following on from that. I think


there is an issue within not just the Pakistani but the south Asian


community in terms of women having that level of respectment so for


example, you know, in a family, let us say there is a son and daughter,


the son will allowed to go outside, stay out to about 10.00, possibly


have a girlfriend, whereas the girls have to stay at home. If you are


bringing children up in that mind set, they only know they have to


respect that individual in the house, mother, daughter. That could


be a sweeping generalisation as well. I do think, I do think that


this is something that the Pakistani community, the south Asian community


need to look into. As you said the word honour is a burden on girls


mainly. And so they have to live with that, anything they do is


reflective on the whole family and the community. I don't think it is


fair. There is an issue. But let us not conflate one issue with another.


There are these men and we are talking about a criminal mind-set of


individuals, who like people like Jimmy Savile live two lifestyle,


they live a public lifestyle where they want to show themselves as good


community member, the same time when people say they only see certain


women as fair game, let us be honest, if you look at the report,


there were findings on the Jay report, they found 150 young girls


out of the 1400 were Pakistani girls,ment the problem is these


people aren't differentiating because they are sick men, but


Pakistani girls, are finding it very difficult to speak out, these are


very sick men. Difficult to speak out. I am glad you raised that, is


there an issue round the ability to converse, or to come forward and say


I have been attacked or abused, or I have been raped within the Muslim


commune tyre, forget the white girl issue. Can talk about the south


Asian community diaspora. I am also from a community. From the first


generational perspective it has been something we don't necessarily talk


about because there is the concept of honour, but it is changing and


this group... Is it? There are people, there are practitioners on


ground who are actually working with women, and I can say it is not an


exclusive Muslim issue, but there is sometimes generally from the first


generation that it was slightly difficult. There is a sense of


keeping the honour of the community or protecting women, not because we


are protecting the men, but sometimes that is how it folds out.


Covering up crime or burying crime. In the Rotherham case we know the


community did go forward and speak to police.


The police did not speak to the victims either but I agree the


police need help from the community and we need to be active and address


these issues ourselves. Completely and I think it is changing but it is


achingly slow. What I mean by that, and again, I'm sure you guys can


relate, growing up, I grew up in Huddersfield in Yorkshire, I went to


the mosque regularly, I know that my experiences did not match up with


the conversations at the mosque. If you are a young man and you want to


talk about contraception or you want to talk about certain feelings, or


you just want to talk about sex, you're not going to get that


guidance from the mosque. That is the last place. Because it is a


religious place. Not just in terms of it being a religious place but in


terms of, look at the state of our mosques, the majority of them still


today are run by Immonens who don't even speak the local language. Rabin


but they also don't go out and groom young girls? But what I'm saying and


this is really important, if you were raised in an environment where


you can't talk about things like sex, that is going to lead to


problems. Isn't that a cultural dichotomy? It's going back to the


point it is not Islamic. You've all agreed that if there's a problem,


it's cultural but the question is, let's pin down what the cultural


problem is. What I mean is I'm trying... We have ruled out religion


at least, for at least some of the arguments. From my own experiences,


one issue that I personally have not only come across on a personal level


but also have seen as I've been working nationally is the fact that


sometimes the police worries about community tensions and so, they are


not willing to always go in and talk to the community and talk to the


community leaders who I call self appointed because most of them are


self appointed leaders, and actually discuss things that are happening.


That is the argument effectively that political correctness gets in


the way of policing or enforcing or sorting out some of the problems.


I'm going to have to come in here, I think that is the biggest lie that


is ever told, the biggest excuse, you ask any Pakistani mail going


into an airport whether they don't stop and search them because of


racism. You are more likely to be and that is preconditioned thinking


that this individual may be a criminal. So there's no racism in


that Pakistani drug dealers. Why is there racism in this? I tell you


why, we have been fighting this case for three years with South Yorkshire


Police and only now have they admitted there was no political


correctness in the Rotherham issue and it was their own internal


failings because what happened is these offices did not believe the


young girls because they were from working-class backgrounds. That


problem is widely recognised. But it's racism, why are you stopping


and searching Pakistani males like never before in airports? You are


not racist then. Can I ask whether because a lot of people think part


of the solution to all of this will be for a much more open


conversation, more brutally honest, more openness within the community


and between communities but that is going to mean sometimes things like


this. We are going to gather Muslims around and ask if there is a Muslim


issue. I think that is very facile to say that. Does that ever scare


you? I think the idea of gathering Muslims around, you know, I think we


are starting to see for example this demand that I shadowed, he was


organising conferences to talk about sex which is Brett Kearney heard of


in the Muslim community and I think that's a great thing to do. But the


Muslim community has to lead on that and it has only just started to


happen. I think it is important but where we have various voices from


various communities but we are not all representatives. No one is. We


are a huge Dyas brand communities and we can only speak of


individuals. -- a huge diaspora and communities. I would also like to


make a parallel... Very briefly. I know we ruled out faith earlier and


we talk about the Islamic context and is lamb as a sense of justice.


This isn't even about an Islamic context, it is about young girls


getting justice for a crime committed against them, just as if


the church when it comes to bishops and grooming young boys, I mean,


that is not necessarily... That is the same paradigms and the same


sense... We need to leave it there. We started the conversation and I


really appreciate you all coming in and having it. Thank you for joining


us. There has been quite


a lot of complaining Not perhaps as much


as United Airlines, obviously, but with IT problems and a lack


of free short-haul sandwiches, many say the once great flag carrier


has gone off the rails, Sometimes when consumers grumble,


it's a sign of a useless company. Sometimes though, it's a sign


of a company that is determined not to lose money by giving away things


that consumers don't Our business editor, Helen Thomas,


has been looking at which it is, on the case of the airline formerly


known as the world's favourite. MUSIC: "Flower Duet


(Lakme)" - Delibes. Worst ever business


class experience. I honestly didn't think this


actually happened, especially Everyone's a critic nowadays


and that's a problem if you were British Airways has been


having a turbulent time. It started last year


with sandwich-gate, the decision to drop free food and drink


on short flights. Then came May's massive IT


failure and with it, the accusation that snacks


and beverages weren't the only place Now, cabin crew


strikes over low pay. My concern is they are cruising


towards a crisis right now by ignoring the customer


and going too far By focusing solely on cost and not


on the benefits of investment in product and reliability


and labour relations provide, BA risks alienating its passengers,


including, especially, the higher value customers who fly


for business and pay higher fares. BA has lost altitude


in the airline rankings. This year's top ten


is dominated by Asian It's not exactly news that air


travel's changed since the days when British Airways and British


engineering stood for Still, there's a sense


that the overall BA experience has fallen some way since it sold


itself on a distinctly BA's management have charted


a particular course for the airline. It faces fierce competition from


the likes of Ryanair and easyJet. The boss, Alex Cruise,


has talked about economy travel as a commodity product,


or one where price is really And actually, it is a strategy that


has served the business Airlines are a notoriously tough


place to make money. But British Airways' profits have


soared to record levels. They jumped again in


the first half of this year. And that has helped its owner,


International Consolidated Over the last five years,


a focus on the bottom line means it has soared above European rivals


Lufthansa and Air France-KLM. This analyst thinks the bosses at BA


and parent IAG are getting Investors as a whole,


I think they see a management team that is seeking to break out


of the airline industry's historic To deliver better returns over


the long term and that ultimately benefits all stakeholders,


staff and customers alike. For those bristling at paying


for their sandwich, BA will be squeezing more seats


into its economy cabin. It wants to charge for more extras


like checked bags or Wi-Fi. And there's changes coming


at the front of the plane, too. BA's business class is pretty tired


compared to competitors', It is all part of a strategy,


trying to offer top-notch luxury at the front of the plane


and a cut-price, no-frills Today's hypercompetitive travel


market means tough choices. Still, some think BA is headed in


the wrong direction. BA right now presents


its customers with a very schizophrenic,


disjointed experience. In the US, L'Oreal cosmetics has


advertised for years, BA needs to take pride in the fact


it is a premium brand. It is OK for BA to charge a bit


more, provided that the value BA told Newsnight that being more


efficient enables the company to offer more low fares


and to invest in new aircraft, better facilities


and new technology. The question is whether PR troubles


at some point start to drag All businesses have to balance


keeping their customers happy with making enough


profit to survive. I think with British Airways,


there's a problem that expectations are anchored


in history and are not necessarily consistent with either a service


level that can be delivered profitably in this day and age,


or which even actually I think sometimes, people remember


things as being better That is one thing the airline


is unlikely to find itself short on. Donald Trump made more comments


on North Korea this evening - interesting ones, because he gave


the impression that he was reiterating his "fire and fury"


comments of the other day, but actually he could be thought


of as toning it down significantly. I'm joined by the BBC's Washington


correspondent Rajini Vaidyanathan. First, I think we have a clip of


Donald Trump. It's about time that somebody stuck


up for the people of this country and for the people


of other countries. So if anything, maybe that statement


wasn't tough enough, and we're backed by 100%


by our military, we're OK, let's talk to reduce body in a


them. He said quite a lot in answers to questions there. Do you feel he


was wrapping it up or toning it down? I think it was a bit of both.


This is quite similar to the pattern we have seen before in many ways


with President Trump. He makes a perhaps off-the-cuff remark and then


his aides Ray lit back and then he comes back guns blazing, reaffirming


it even more strongly. In that rhetoric, President Trump said he


wished he had gone tougher and been stronger than saying he was going to


unleash fire and fury but when you peel the rhetoric away and look at


exactly what it means, some journalists ask what is tougher than


fire and theory? He said, we'll see. President Trump said he was open to


negotiations but then said negotiations never work and have not


the decades when it comes to North Korea. He also refused to be drawn


on whether or not he is planning a pre-emptive strike but crucially, he


also called on China to do more. I was going to say because in some


ways, interpreting what you think all of this could be the Chinese


ears and you have to think about what he is saying in relation to the


Chinese. Absolutely right, in many ways, this was as much a message to


Beijing as it was to Pyongyang. In many ways, they are the power


brokers in all of this. In terms of reaching a diplomatic solution to


this ongoing crisis. That is also because Beijing is a key trading


partner with North Korea selling many ways, in terms of putting


economic pressure on Pyongyang, it is really down to China. Crucially


of course, those United Nations sanctions we saw last week being


voted in signed up by China and by Russia. That is a key thing, there.


What this shows overall is that despite the rhetoric we are hearing


from President Trump, his promise of fire and fury, he knows that right


now, he can't deliver that fire and fury in a vacuum. He still needs


cooperation and it is worth pointing out of course that President Trump


has a bit of a love hate relationship with China. We have


seen him play golf with President Xi Jinping in Florida and showered him


with praise and then months later, send tweets that he is simply not


doing enough. It is clearly that the relationship with trying -- with


China is a tricky one for President Trump to manage but clearly crucial.


Thank you for joining us. Time for Viewsnight now -


our opinion strand. And tonight Jason Hickel,


an anthropologist from the London School of Economics,


the writer of a book called The Divide, and who thinks we should


stop obsessing with economic Our addictions to economic


growth is killing us. Right now, the entire global system


is captive to a single idea. Politicians rise and


fall on their ability They promise that growth


will make our lives better. We can't have infinite


growth on a finite planet. We're already shooting our planet's


biocapacity by nearly 60%. Climate change, deforestation


and rapid rates of extinction. This crisis is due almost


entirely to overconsumption If you didn't think there was enough


TV out there already, you'll have a little


more choice soon. service today - at least for some


consumers in the US. It's videos, and they're


specially made for Facebook. It's one step on from Facebook's


goal to eat the whole internet, as one tech writer put it,


because this takes on TV. The videos won't be quite the same,


but it is competition for traditional TV, and the Amazon,


Netflix and YouTube platforms too. But here's a question -


are we being deluged with Let's it face it, we are not


short of great material. What's at stake here is that there


are lots of competing platforms, and they each want to entice us


with great content - What do you think of the Facebook


offer? Well, Mark Zuckerberg said 2017 would be the year of video and


there is a lot of competition in this space. But I think it is


important to recognise that what Facebook is offering is really


competition with YouTube an not with the likes of iPlayer and Netflix.


The content they are offering is largely short form, it is


interactive, it is live sport, it is factual, it is content we are


supposed to engage and interact round. It is different from the


content you see Netflix moving into, high end, global appeal, drama and


documentary. Documentary.? Couldn't Facebook put that other stuff on as


well? Maybe buying stuff from the BBC and putting that on the site and


making themselves the place you go to for all sorts of television? They


would need to want to invest a lot of money in doing that, and the


question is whether they want do that. There is no indication from


Facebook they really want to put that amount of money into either


licencing or creating content. OK. Lyndsey, there is a lot of TV round


and a lot of it comes from this competition between platforms. They


are trying to become the place to go. Is it sustainable. There has


never been a better time to be a viewer. There is fantastic choice


round at the moment, so I think, and generally competition is good. The


viewer is the person that benefits from that. It keeps, you know, the


competition keeps... Are they making money Lyndsey? Because, there are a


lot of platforms an I wonder whether they are all making money or hoping


they are going to be the one that is standing at the end of the battle


between them? It's a good point. There is less pressure on them to


make money because they have so much finance from the city etc, but yes


they are making money and there are different ways you do make money


from TV. Some of it is ad funding, sop of it subscription and some


comes from the BBC license. Facebook is ad funded so this seems like it a


clear commercial play, Mark Zuckerberg made it clear he sees the


future to be about video but if you put it in context, if you look at


how much video, how much time people are spending watching video, on


Facebook, we spend about four-and-a-half hours a day, on


average, watching video, three-and-a-half hours is TV. On


traditional TV. It is about three-quarter, 2% is Facebook.


That is interesting. I thought it was higher than that. It is not


higher. And already there is a lot of video on the Facebook platform,


because we are scrolling down through our news feed. I doesn't


account for a lot of time. Do you think Catherine, people have called


it a golden age of television and there are lots, more shows than you


have time to watch, do you think it is sustainable? I think that we all


like watching video and there is definitely a market for different


kinds of video, I think the key thing is we have different


platforms, serving different needs, so what Facebook is doing is


providing content we want to share, that we want to interact round,


community building content. It is different. At the moment and from


their offer round Watch, it is a different service, to something like


BBC iPlayer and they are attracting, at the moment different ad revenue.


If you are a big brand, most of the big brands are advertise, most of


the advertising on Facebook is from small companies and from local


companies so there is a different advertising offer as well. Are there


too many platforms? Do consumer, will they have to choose between


Amazon or Netflix or do they get both. Or will it end up all the


programmes are on all the platforms and it doesn't matter. There is a


move for exclusivity. They are looking to buy content, in


perpetuity, for long time, ten years and lock it down to encourage people


to subscribe. There are a small number that will subscribe to


Netflix and Amazon and Now. Really people are going to choose. You


haven't got time to watch the stuff? How much money have we got to spend


on different subscription services. ? What tends to happen is the


biggest subscribers are existing subscribers to pay TV. What happens


if you love TV you really love it and you simply can't get enough of


it so o your point about is it sustainable? It is. We spend


three-and-a-half hours in the UK, in the US it is under four hour, in


Brazil is it nearly six hours you might argue we have head room for


growth on TV watching. I think that is probably good news for the likes


of us who work in it. Thank you both very much.


That's just about it for tonight, but we can't leave


without a word or two about Wales and the Welsh language.


If you saw last night's programme, we had a discussion on policies


to promote Welsh language, with a defender of government


efforts to get it more widely spoken, and someone who thought


Now our defender of Welsh did a perfectly good job,


but was someone who did not actually speak more than a bit


That is representative of a very prevalent group in Wales.


Most people don't speak it, and polls suggest most people


do support government efforts to promote it.


But understandably, we had more than few comments suggesting


that we had not done justice to the language, by discussing it


I'm not going to pretend that we disagree.


We think it would have been better to have a Welsh speaker too.


By luck, the National Eisteddfod is taking place this week so we can


play out with a highlight, the band Yr Eira - translated


All change into Friday. We get off to floors you start. Shallow fog but


already for Northern Ireland and Scotland, we have got the wind


strengthening, and the rain starting to move in. Will it ease eastwards


through the day, so that means that for most of the day, it will be


cloudier and windier, for Scotland with rain on and off, we may not see


that much rain, east of the Grampians, we might squeeze 22


In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines, with Evan Davis. Stories include Newcastle street grooming and if the UK should 'de-grow' the economy. Plus British Airways in focus, Trump on North Korea and are we living through a TV golden age or bubble?

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