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It's been 10 years,
three months and 27 days
of cheaper and cheaper money.
But today, it just
got a little dearer.
The Bank of England hikes
interest rates by 0.25%,
but who's that going to help?
We ask whether the Bank has
got its timing right.
Also tonight, a breaking story
of fresh allegations of sexual
harrassment by another Member
of Parliament emerges.
On the day the PM was forced
to replace a Cabinet minister,
could this herald a crisis
for both her and the leader
of the Opposition?
And we speak Goldie -
from breakdancer to DJ,
grafitti and grills,
a more mellow Goldie
tells his life story.
Goldie fights with 19-year-old on
the way to yoga. Goldie dies in
knife fight on the way to yoga.
Either way that's not going to look
First tonight, the breaking
The Labour MP, Kelvin Hopkins,
has been suspended from the party
after it received allegations
of inappropriate behaviour
towards a young woman.
The Labour Party is remaining
relatively tight-lipped about it.
Our political editor,
Nick Watt is here.
Nick, what can you tell us?
Kelvin Hopkins, a 76-year-old former
shadow minister has been suspended
from the Labour Party and that means
the whip is suspended from him after
an incident that took place in 2014
with a young Labour activist and he
was addressing the Labour society at
Essex University and it is alleged
that he sent a text after saying, if
only I was 40 years younger and this
why he has been suspended, he then
allegedly rubbed himself against
By the event in the Daily
Telegraph the woman reported it to
the whip's office twice before he
was made a Shadow Cabinet minister.
So if that is to be believed, then
the whips knew about this.
reported it in December 2015 in June
Hopkins was appointed to the Shadow
Cabinet. But he had been reprimanded
by the office and the leader knew.
The report to the leader's office
was yes, he has been reprimanded,
but the matter had been settled and
the only information they knew at
that stage was that he sent this
text saying if only I was 40 years
younger. It was only today that the
further information came that he
sent a text saying he wanted to meet
outside the formal Essex University
event and crucially only today that
the information came through of this
very serious sexual harassment, a
sexual assault, that he had rubbed
himself against her and that is why
the Labour acted immediately.
only after that Daily Telegraph
produced that story that we have had
that response from the Labour Party.
So they're having to be made to
react rather than being proactive.
In the Sun there is more on Michael
Fallon that may give a clue to his
demise. We have a story about his
This is reporting and
this may well explain why he
resigned so quickly, that he is
alleged to have told Andrea
leadsome, his cabinet colleague, who
complained of cold hands, he said, I
know a warm place to put them. That
is deeply inappropriate and that may
well explain why he resigned so
quickly. But there are allegations
that there are serial examples of
wholly inappropriate behaviour by
Sir Michael Fallon.
allegations would have gone to the
Chief Whip's office, the Chief Whip
is no I the Defence Secretary. You
can look at two ways, he is a close
ally of Theresa May, or she didn't
act with Elan to produce a woman for
She likes to promote
people she trusts. But there is fury
that Gavin Williamson has been made
Defence Secretary, because he was
involved in the conversation with
Michael Fallon, saying, is there
anything more. The answer meant he
resigned from the cabinet. Now
Downing Street are saying that Gavin
Williamson wasn't then involved in
the next level of conversation,
which is who should be our new
Defence Secretary. But that is not
how it has been seen. I have been in
touch with somebody who worked close
with Theresa May in the past and
said many say this is the biggest
and probably last mistake, that
Gavin Williamson and his deputy
Julia Smith are seen as parasites
feeding off her weakness and using
it to advance themselves. I have
been looking at these issues and you
see how angry Theresa May is, she is
has been campaigning to change the
culture at Westminster and now this
is really sort of posing a challenge
to her premiership.
The dark clouds
of an unlucky premiership are
hovering over Theresa May. There is
the feel of a Prime Minister
struggling at times to control
events. The Prime Minister has lost
her Defence Secretary after he
admitted that his behaviour had
fallen short of the high standards
expect of the armed forces. Theresa
May has campaigned for decades to
change the habits of male-Dom named
world of -- male-dominated world of
Domestic violence is
appalling. Many women were made to
feel like they were making mountains
out of mole hills.
In a cruel twist
the unravelling of this culture is
now challenging her leadership.
is like a Greek tragedy what Theresa
May's legacy will be. Nobody doubts
that Theresa May hates this culture
that she is having to wrangle with.
Nobody would deny that. But the fact
of the matter is she is too weak
amongst her own people to be able to
dole out the punishments I'm certain
she would wants to.
May is so week she embarked on a
minimal reshuffle. But it left a
sour taste and one said it has the
intrigue of the house of cards with
the surreal element of the Rick
Mayall commend. Comedy.
Other Tories dismiss the febrile
atmosphere at Westminster and say it
is wrong to suggest that the Prime
Minister is being weakened by the
unmasking of a culture she has
campaigned to reform.
by this sort of narrative. She, it
has been something she has been
passionate about, all the equality
issues, gender issues when people in
the Conservative Party didn't talk
about it, didn't care, and I am, I
don't, I'm mystified by how somebody
with such integrity has the
narrative has built up that it is
her fault. But some of goes back
many years and will be very hard to
prove. We have got to investigate
the serious stuff and I'm sure she
would be the first to say this and
then draw a line, move on and sort
the stuff out.
The Prime Minister
has led the way on this. She was
clear about it on Monday. In the
statement she was clear at Prime
Minister's question and she has made
it clear to the cabinet and said if
you believe you don't meet the
standard that is to be tolerated,
then you have to think about your
position. And to that extents,
Michael Fallon realised he would not
cross the bar she had set. That is
down to her leadership and saying,
we have to take this seriously and
lead. It is not just about the
Conservative Party, but the Labour
Party they have something facing
potential rape charges which is very
Theresa May is going on,
but after her inner circle was wiped
out in the general election, she
will hope events don't conspire to
make her an even more ice lapted
figure. -- isolated figure.
Our Political Editor Nick Watt.
Well now to chew over
the latest allegations
from Westminster I'm joined
by the LBC Presenter Iain Dale
and the former aide
to the Deputy Prime Minister,
We heard Jess Philips saying it is a
Greek tragedy. Wech is falling to
We have been here in the 90s
with back to basics with a weak
Prime Minister and day after day
revelations about affairs and all
sorts of things in Parliament.
Everyone thought everybody in
Parliament was having an affair.
This is slightly different, sexual
what racksment. Harassment.
a plague on all their houses.
has escaped. No party escapes, it is
in the Lord's and the Commons and
Theresa May has missed a an
opportunity to put a new broom
behind cleaning this out.
Gavan Williamson, it is because she
is weak that Theresa May can't move
to make a bolder move. But she wants
to keep Gavin Williamson close.
is a bold move to put somebody from
out side the cabinet there.
Is it a
sign of weakness.
She is not weaker
than she was yesterday.
She is not in a great
position. Gordon Brown put Jacqui
Smith to Home Secretary, Margaret
Thatcher did it with Cecil
But not in this crisis.
The whip's office have been part of
problem, they covered up the
problem. Where did this spread sheet
Gavin Williamson as
Defence Secretary may well know
about other examples of, we just
don't know, of other bad behaviour
that will come back to bite the
I think the reshuffle is a
separate issue. What this story and
it is across all parties, I don't
think anyone should try to gain
political capital, the complaints
system does not work. People take to
it the whips and it doesn't get
used. The whips office this to
What people are shocked
to know is that actually there has
been a real culture of sexual
misbehaviour and it is not about
sex, but about power.
Westminster is still male-dominated,
it is older men in senior position,
junior women and men... They felt
uncomfortable and the men saying, I
had no idea.
It is not only talking
of Theresa May and you can juxtapose
with what Theresa May has done with
what Ruth Davidson said about
cleaning the stable. Here we have a
situation where Jeremy Corbyn's own
office of whips is also possibly
It shows you that the
system doesn't work and I have
spoken with people in the whips
office, around Parliament still, the
issue here and there has to be a
full inquiry. What I would like the
Labour Party to do is to appoint
somebody independent to come in and
look at the situation.
Let's look at
the leadership on this. We don't
know what is going on behind the
scenes, but I do not know that
Jeremy Corbyn has been out being
condemning people in the last
I couldn't agree more.
There are two problems. One is
sexual abuse by a small number of
people and a wider culture of
secrecy and cover ups. I would like
to see everybody who has made a
complaint make a subject request to
find out what records they have been
keeping. They say they don't know.
How do you have these complaints
against Kelvin Hopkins and then the
same, how could there be such a
position where the woman who makes
the complaints watches him walk into
the Shadow Cabinet.
He is an MP and
she is not.
The issue is curl churl
of the -- cultural. It is women not
coming forward and young men, they
don't want their names splashed
across the newspaper. There is no
confidential way to report this and
it is the power thing. A lot of
people are scared.
Power does not
create Monday stores, power --
monsters, it reveals monsters. That
was said in house of cards. The
problem is the whips, because the
job of the whips is to get
legislation through the House of
Commons or stop it going through.
Anything else is of secondary
importance. There was a story
condemning the 1922 committee for
blocking David Cameron's attempts to
give the whips power to sort this
out, because they knew they would
cover it up.
The problem is a male MP's being
sleazy and abusing power.
thinking it's more useful to keep
those things in a draw and use them
as blackmail rather than sorting
Going back to the
appointment of the new Defence
Secretary, what would have been the
ball thing that Theresa May could
have done without the appointment?
She should have an appointed and a
woman, the first female...
should she have done that? Just as a
Because an opportunity
was there to put a woman into a job
that men have historically done, an
opportunity to say that she is
bringing a new broom to appointments
and dealing with sexual harassment
by putting in somebody who doesn't
have a history of doing it.
Milton would have been a popular
choice to be Chief Whip, she is
experienced, people say she has had
good experience of the grievance
procedure as well so she might have
signalled a fresh start.
is deputy Chief Whip...
When I saw her go into
Downing Street eyes and dues either
going to be Chief Whip or the new
chairman of the Conservative Party,
why Theresa May did not take the
opportunity to have a new party
chairman I do not know because
everyone knows Patrick McLoughlin
wants to step down.
How damaging is
it to the whole prosecution of
politics in this country that we are
having a slow drip of even more
egregious and there are other
things, the other night, John Mann
said a Newsnight he knew of a rape
at when spinster -- at Westminster,
but he did not name names, but he
would not be saying that unless he
had a pretty good idea. So we know
more is to come and how damaging is
that to the standing of politicians
who are standing is already damaged
thanks to the expensive -- expenses
scandal and so forth?
All of my
friends say to me you must be so
relieved you never got into
Parliament, when I told my mother I
was not standing again she cheered.
What a terrible thing, she ought to
want her son to go into Parliament.
I am glad I never became an MP.
you still want to go into
Parliament? Not particularly, not
right now, but I don't think this is
About hope politicians
feel about their reputation. This is
about victims. Watching us
squabbling about who is up and who's
down in the reshuffle is not the
issue. The issue is people of all
parties who feel they have been
treated badly need to feel that they
can come forward and talk about this
and be believed and not victimised
or which handed.
Thank you all very
It hasn't happened in more
than a decade, but there are no
fanfares or fireworks.
The Bank of England raised
interest rates today -
signalling a change
in the economic weather.
Is this a big moment, or time
for a bit of shoulder shrugging?
Why has the Monetary
Committee done it?
Is it because things getting
out of hand and we need
to tighten up a bit?
Well, consumers are showing
a prodigious appetite for credit,
creating a growing pile
of personal debt.
Money's been very
cheap for a long time.
But are they borrowing
because they're trying
to cope with 3% inflation
and near stagnant wages?
If so, then they're going to get
a shock, because mortgages and other
repayments are going to rise
and inflation is not expected
to fall any time soon.
As for saving, it's unlikely that
a 0.25% interest rate increase
is going to turn us into a nation
of savers - something that seems
part of a dim and distant past.
Our Business Editor, Helen Thomas,
has been trying to make sense
of the Bank of England's move.
Economic predictions or your average
weather forecast? It is hard to see
which engenders less faith. The
first rise in interest rates in over
ten years, it's not done too much to
clear things up. Usually a rate rise
would reflect strength, recovery,
robust growth and confidence. This
time, the economic weather feels a
little different. So why is the bank
acting now? The obvious and Sir is
inflation, at 3% it is well above
the bank 's 2% target. But most
people agree that a temporary
problem, related to a fall in the
pound. It should start to fix
itself. The Bank of England governor
conceded the outlook is unusually
uncertain thanks in part to Brexit
bust up still, he said, it was time
In many respects today's
decision is straight forward. With
the economy growing and rates above
its speed limit inflation is
unlikely to return to the 2% target
without some increase in interest
Once upon a time the Bank of
England's key interest rate moved up
and down with the UK economic
fortunes. Higher interest rates
turned the economic heat down.
Increasing the cost of borrowing and
reducing spending. These are the
last four periods the bank of
England was raising rates, quarterly
economic growth in the year before
the first height averaged 0.4%. Now
quarterly growth has been averaging
about 0.4%. Even more unusual, this
rate hike comes as real wages have
been falling. That is wage growth
adjusted for inflation.
I think they
made a mistake. I think at best the
decision to raise rates today was
premature and at worst could be
reckless. The risk is if you raise
rates against the backdrop of
economic weakness it tends to
frighten the horses are little and
what you may see is consumers who
are already running with very high
levels of debt against a backdrop of
pretty tough financial conditions
choose to build their savings of
little bit more than the Bank of
England would like an precipitate
something of a steep slowdown than
we are already seeing.
wasn't a normal rate hike but as
Mark Carney said we do not live in
normal times. A decade of interest
at virtually zero is certainly
extraordinary and for some the
central bank had to at least start
the journey back to more
interest rates have costs as well as
benefits and if you are in a
position where interest rates are
expected to remain near zero for the
foreseeable it creates all sorts of
distortions, misallocation is of
resources and so on. If you can get
interest rates back to mourn over
levels then you have a margin to cut
again if you need to. For example if
the Brexit those Asians go badly the
Bank of England will have more scope
to cut rates in future done if it
did not raise them today at all. --
of the Brexit negotiations go badly.
This only takes rates backs to where
they were in the summer of 2016,
before the post-referendum cut.
Still it all came with a gloomy
outlook. In the banks view, the
economy has hit its limit, the
economic climate now is about as
good as it's going to get. That's in
part because productivity, a big
determinant of economic potential,
has flat lined since the financial
The Bank of England are
taking a conservative view about the
UK's potential supply growth, they
have seen growth around one and a
half percent as being the long-term
position. I think what is important,
what businesses want to see is the
right environment to invest and that
we are investing in our skills and
education and infrastructure and I
think that is why actually what the
business media wants is more action
by Philip Hammond than Mark Carney
and all eyes will be on the budget
later this month.
interest rates are rising again. But
so is the pressure.
Well, what should we
make of today's move?
And is there anything
in the American experience
we should learn from -
where rates have already
been rising for a while?
I'm joined from New York
by Gillian Tett of the Financial
Times and from Florida
by Professor David Blanchflower,
Looking at this side of the pond,
inflation rise and an implement low,
was this the right time to move, are
we heading for more normal times?
am in the camp of people who think
it was the right time to move and we
have had extraordinarily abnormal
times for the best part of the last
decade. The ultralow interest rates
were introduced initially as an
emergency response after the
financial crisis. That was a long
time ago. I personally think getting
back to a more normal world is
healthy and it is something America
has been doing now for 18 months,
over 18 months. So far the markets
have absorbed it fairly calmly.
we now just going to accept in this
country at least that growth is
sluggish, growth is reasonably
sluggish in the States, there is an
acceptance that that indeed is the
norm, that even in that position you
raise interest rates and it looks
like America will raise them next
month even though growth is not that
Essentially what the central
Bank of America is trying to do is
exactly what Mark Carney is trying
to do, it's like the pilot of an
aeroplane trying to lose altitude
very slowly over a long period of
time. They are trying to return
slowly to a more normal world
without anybody noticing. Let's keep
this in perspective, it's not
exactly a dramatic rise. The rate
rise we have seen in the US have not
been dramatic either. But it's a
sign the central bank is moving into
a slightly more normal world and as
Helen says, they are creating a
reserve firepower for themselves to
use if there is another crisis.
Let's talk about that reserve
firepower. We are joined by the
former member of the Bank of England
monetary policy committee David
Blanchflower, is it necessary to
create firepower or will it create
No. I don't normally
disagree with my friend Gillian, but
I'm afraid this looks to be a big
mistake to me. The way you create
firepower is not to create a
recession yourself. People want to
raise rates so when a recession
comes you can cut rates. This looks
like an enormous mistake. There is
nothing in the data whatsoever to
sustain it. It looks to me like the
rate rise which was done in July
2007 that I actually voted against.
It was returned a few months later
and then we went into recession. I
think this is a huge mistake. The
reality is there is absolutely no
data that says you should do it now.
With the uncertainty over Brexit,
the uncertainty over the fiscal
position of the government this
looks like a big mistake.
do you have sterling on the floor,
the uncertainty of Brexit, in the
states you have a president who says
he's going to cut taxes and simplify
taxes would perhaps leads to more
optimism but you don't necessarily
have that coming out of Philip
Right. What you
have in the US is talk about the
huge fiscal cut, huge stimulus going
into the economy which is pushing
up, growth is double what it is in
the UK, real wages have risen in the
US over the last for five years and
they are down, be aware of the US is
the slowest growing economy in
Europe, growth is going to slow on
any measure this looks disastrous.
Real wages are down and there would
you are going to do is raise the
cost of borrowing to people not only
to homeowners but firms who are
going to cut their dividends. This
looks like a huge mistake.
on the basis of the 0.25% increase
your not going to have consumers
jumping up and down and saying we
are going to save because the debt
mountain is growing so much we will
have an increased tomorrow in
mortgage rates and the APR and
credit card will go sky-high? Kill
mac not exactly sky-high, let's keep
this in perspective. The question I
would put to Daniel is what you make
of things growing sharply in the UK,
does that not concern you? How do
you make sure consumers do not take
a huge amount of credit David
You can deal with
that, the FPC can deal with, the
likelihood is retail sales are
falling, they are about to plummet
as people realise they should not
have been saving so that will fix
it. We have already seen that. This
will make it much worse, it will
lower output. That seems a really
crazy way, you will force yourself
into a recession. Yes it's a small
mistake but it's better than making
a big mistake. But I would rather
not mistake at all. Yes credit is
rising, it's been a surprise to the
central bank but pretty dancing
that. Because people's real wages
So what you are arguing
is you would like to create more of
a consumer credit bubble even as the
underlying fundamentals in the UK
are not so healthy? That is simply
eating your jam today and creaking
more problems in the future?
mean the economy is being held
together by the stimulus from the
central bank. If you want to deal
with the credit problems deal with
that through credit restrictions or
whatever but think about the streets
of Hartlepool, Blackpool, Wakefield,
do you think there is a credit boom
going on? I don't think so. People
are struggling, why do you think in
those places people voted for
Brexit? Not because there was a boom
going on and they were doing great.
That's not true. The economy is
basically flat, there is some credit
going on, people have been spending
more than they should but the
economy is hurting.
Thank you both
very much indeed.
Never before in the history
of the EU have a group of elected
members of any government -
regional or national -
been clapped in jail without trial,
but a Spanish High Court judge has
imprisoned eight members
of the former Government
of Catalonia, believing them
to be a flight risk.
being the former leader
Carlos Puigdement and four members
of his sacked Cabinet
who are in Belgium.
It looks as though a judge
is about to issue a European arrest
warrant for their return
after they failed to appear in court
in Madrid today to answer
charges of rebellion,
sedition and misuse of public funds.
Today they were protests against the
arrests in Barcelona. But Catalans
Catalans are divided over
whether Puigdemont acted
precipitously in leaving
so what will he do next
and how will his EU hosts, Belgium,
respond to the warrant?
Joining me from Brussels
is Mark Demesmaeker
from the Flemish nationalist party,
the New Flemish Alliance.
what do you think Carles Puigdemont
and his four colleagues should do -
should they return to Spain if the
arrest warrant is issued?
It is not
for me to tell what they should do.
I understand why they're in Belgium,
they're here to denounce this
political trial... In front of the
international community. They have
used their rights as a European
citizen to travel to Belgium and to
But of course, because
they did that, of course the others
in Spain are being detained as a
flight risk, what do you make of the
It's not because of that,
but what we have seen in Spain the
last few weeks is outrageous. It is
a shock for every democrat in the
EU, it is a shock. This is obviously
a political trial. Jailing,
imprisoning elected members of a
government is unprecedented, it is
disturbing and unacceptable in the
EU. That is my reaction.
It looks as
if there is going to be a European
arrest warrant and Spain are going
to ask for the extradition of Carles
Puigdemont and the four others,
perhaps as early as tomorrow. Do you
think Belgium should comply with
that as an EU member?
Well this is
something for the judge in Belgium
to decide, politics doesn't
interfere with this. So there is a
procedure for that. It can take a
while. And as I have understood,
Carles Puigdemont has a got Flemish
lawyer who can assist him through
this. But it is up to the judge to
decide. So I have good faith in the
Belgium judicial system. Which
cannot be said of Spanish highly
So it is likely
the judge will comply with it in
I can't decide on that...
Would you be campaigning against the
extradition and throwing your
weight, you are, your party is part
of coalition government, do you
feel, would your party's position be
that Carles Puigdemont should be
extradited, should be returned,
after all what he did was
unconstitutional under Spanish law?
Again this is not nor a political
party or the Government to comment
on. It is a matter for the judge to
decide. There is a procedure and
will follow it. What we have seen in
other cases is after first hearing
the defendant... Was released. And
certainly when there is no... There
is no terrorist allegation or
something like that, which is not
the case here, but we will see. It
is up to the judge to decide. Do you
think we should have heard more from
Jean-Claude Juncker and the EU
should have weighed in on this? Yes
of course the EU is silent and this
is a disgrace. It is a shame for the
whole of the EU. The EU should not
stick its head in the sand any more
and should speak up. This is about a
fundamental democratic values which
are at stake. If the EU fails to
defend our rights as citizens and
democratic values, then our
democracies will crumble and...
Thank you very much I'm afraid I
have to stop you there.
The DJ and producer Goldie
is considered one of the pioneers
of dance music in this country.
Now 52, he winningly describes
himself as 'the Doris Stokes of Drum
He says it's because
he likes to channel
the spirits of his favourite
musicians into his own records.
In his new memoir,
'All Things Remembered',
Goldie recounts his progress
from care homes and fosters parents
to life on the streets
as a graffiti artist -
to the nation's embrace with roles
in James Bond and 'Strictly'.
Goldie's been talking to our Culture
Correspondent, Stephen Smith.
Beware some flashing
lights in the film which,
of course, befits the star.
Goldie, it's very nice to see
you again, thanks for coming
to talk to us on Newsnight.
Yeah, I love your office!
Producer, DJ, actor,
reality TV veteran -
Goldie's used to having his name up
in lights, but in
the beginning it was about seeing
his name up in paint.
Does graffiti still excite him?
If we were to erase,
let's erase graffiti.
Let's erase it from
the face of the earth.
Some people will applaud
it, "Great stuff".
It's going to be a very grey
journey on the way to work.
But some people would say it's very
kind of solipsistic - you
put your tag up, you don't
necessarily put, you know, "end
poverty," although some people do.
Some people may think it's all part
of this kind of narcissistic culture
we are in.
I think the difference
is that that's a social
media, which is a finger at the end
of a button - people liking and
social media and emojis
and everything else.
making an effort to go
and paint something physically
and go through the physical
process is very primal.
Spaces like this - youth clubs,
opportunities for the
young, are vital, says Goldie.
If we don't have
that backdrop, if we
don't have certain places for young
people to express themselves, it
will only be a boiling point.
You look at the effects
of what grime
music has done.
There's a place for young people
within this grime thing
to have their own voice, which has
become the voice of UK all of a
sudden, because of influx
of different urban people.
Goldie backs the Mayor
of London's plans to
invest £400,000 in regeneration
projects to benefit young people
I had a meeting with
Sadiq three months ago.
And I saw the cultural
plan, which a lot of
people conservatively are against.
"Why are we giving these
kids somewhere to paint?
Why are we giving them
somewhere to do music?
Because music's not going
to run the Government."
Well you haven't done a very good
job of it so far, have you?
It's time to change
the way we look at it.
Even if you're not an aficionado
of drum and bass, you may
know Goldie from his appearances
on reality shows like Maestro and
Strictly Come Dancing.
He even played a baddie
in a James Bond film.
I see you later, Mr Bond.
So you put your money
where your mouth is.
If it all goes wrong tomorrow,
at least I'll stay in James Bond
every Christmas for
the next how many years.
You know what I mean?
That is in itself
a great experience.
He has come a long way
from his childhood in care.
I was saved by social workers.
I think the care system for me,
it was a really important
place they learned
about other cultures.
Knowing that the colour of my skin
is what it is - what am I?
Who am I?
Trying to find identity
was really important.
I think those halfway
houses have become very
sterile and the aspect of red tape
now, well you can't call them Aunts
and Uncles, because
they aren't related.
I didn't mind calling them Auntie
and Uncle, because it gave me
a sense of family.
And I think the people that
write the rules of all
that stuff forget they were young.
One phrase in particular that really
leapt out at me from your book,
given what's happened this year,
is where you say, "God forbid we'll
have to be on fire before we make
right change in the
And stop making rabbit burrows
full of speed bumps and
bollards to stop everyone
getting out of there."
You can't read that
after Grenfell without...
Making a connection.
What can you say about that?
You know, you're
stacking these people
on the edge of a Borough that's 20
times richer than it.
We're looking at the
short-term, aren't we?
In society, we are tapping
into not even 3% of what we
should be doing for tomorrow's
children and I have said what
we do today creates tomorrow.
And what was done
in those days, when
you look at Grenfell and that
situation, the atrocity it has
caused, the heartache, people
will never recover from that - young
people in that situation
will never recover.
They will need mental help and help
for a very long time.
Those estates, those
places, the youth
clubs, the organisations
around it, are important.
Now in his 50s, Goldie's living
in Thailand with his
He has released an album this
year and his new memoir
is the work of a man who says
he counts his blessings.
Whisper it, but Goldie
may be mellowing.
Yes, it has been hard
and there's always
going to be challenges -
I was challenged yesterday.
We're always going to be challenged.
You were challenged
to a fight, effectively?
Yeah, effectively challenged
to a fight by a teenager who was
angry, barges past you.
I get it.
You're an angry young man,
but you know what, have a nice day.
Because an older version
of me was, A, that
kid and, B, I've got a choice here.
I'm on my way to yoga.
Imagine that headline -
"Goldie fights with
19-year-old on way to yoga.
Goldie dies in knife
fight on way to yoga!"
Either way, that's not
going to look right.
Bite your tongue, getting your head
down and realising I had a
choice and going to yoga.
When I came out of
that yoga session, I
felt like that's a beautiful
day I've just had.
Tomorrow's front-pages, two on the
sleaze story. And the Fallon story,
one says, I was a victim of Fallon.
The leader of the Commons complained
to Theresa May about vile language
used by Sir Michael and also that he
was tactile and put his arms around
her in unwanted attention and made
comments of a sexual nature. The
Guardian has more on Williamson's
promotion. That that is all we have
time for have a good evening. Good