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Government 2017? | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Another fine mess... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Or two. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
The Government's coping,
or striving to cope, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
with one mishap after another. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
Is it really capable of driving
the country into a new Brexit era? | 0:00:16 | 0:00:23 | |
I think the problem is you've now
got five Cabinet ministers, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
the former Defence Secretary,
the current Defence Secretary, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
the Foreign Secretary,
the Development Secretary | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
and the First Secretary,
all now mired in serious | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
controversies of one
form or another. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:39 | |
We'll be asking if yet
another minister could be | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
gone by the morning. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:42 | |
Also tonight, Prince Charles
lobbied for a change | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
in carbon trading rules -
without pointing out that the Duchy | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
of Cornwall had invested
in a company that stood to benefit. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
We'll ask a former Chairman
of the Committee of Standards | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
in Public Life why he thinks
that's a problem. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
We'll have a special report
about what the Paradise Papers | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
have revealed in Angola. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
Oil money, which might have been
used to help some of the poorest | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
people in the world,
has ended up making | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
one man super rich. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:17 | |
Although the border is only just
there, where those signs are, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
a couple of hundred yards,
it's not an easy place | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
for journalists to go. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:23 | |
Particularly when the subject
of our investigation is the son | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
of the President and someone very
close to him. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Hello. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
Accidents happen in government. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
People slip on banana skins. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
There are momentary lapses,
or arguments that spill | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
into the public domain. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Events can catch
Cabinets by surprise. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
That's normal. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
At a rate of one every few months. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
But then there's this Government. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
Since the election knocked
the confidence out of | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
the Prime Minister five months ago,
to many it has just lurched from one | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
self-inflicted wound to another. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Public arguments over
Brexit are half of it, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
the harassment cases have piled
on the pressure. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
But the coincidence of extra
missteps has given this | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
Government a whiff of decay. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
And you're not meant to have
that until you've been | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
in power for a decade or more. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Two particular things
are exercising many MPs right now. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
The Foreign Secretary giving
the unhelpful impression that | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
a British woman imprisoned in Iran
is guilty of crimes there. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
And the other is Development
Secretary Priti Patel, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
who clearly tried to mislead
the public about her | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
activities in Israel. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
This is a far more intense
speculation this evening. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
An unlucky government,
or a careless one. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Nick Watt reports. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Day by day, piece by piece, the
forces holding this Government | 0:02:49 | 0:02:55 | |
together are fracturing. There is an
unmistakable air of weakness and | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
fragility, as Theresa May struggles
to assert her authority. You've now | 0:03:00 | 0:03:06 | |
got five Cabinet ministers - the
former Defence Secretary, the | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
current Defence Secretary, the
Foreign Secretary, the development | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
secretary, and the first Akrotiri,
all now mired in serious | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
controversies of one form or
another. And in each case, the Prime | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
Minister is unable to get a grip of
it and unable to provide a sense of | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
direction. And today, Downing Street
was mopping up after not one but two | 0:03:25 | 0:03:33 | |
Cabinet ministers gave the Prime
Minister grief of a highly sensitive | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
security issues. We are going to
work flat-out. It took Boris Johnson | 0:03:38 | 0:03:44 | |
nearly an hour in the Commons
chamber to offer an apology for the | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
loose language which may have added
to the prison sentence in Teheran | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
handed down to the British-Iranian
woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. I'm | 0:03:51 | 0:03:58 | |
sorry if any words of mine have been
so taken out of context and | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
misconstrued as to cause any kind of
anxiety for the family of Nazanin | 0:04:02 | 0:04:09 | |
Zaghari-Ratcliffe, of course I am.
Of course I am. Shortly before the | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Foreign Secretary's appearance, one
of Prydie Patel's deputies had to | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
explain why she held a series of
official meetings in Israel during | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
her summer holiday without first
notifying the Foreign Office or | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Downing Street. The Secretary of
State has been very clear and | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
absolutely contrite in her statement
yesterday. She recognises that of | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
course she sure to have informed the
Foreign Office before the visit, but | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
she didn't. Downing Street is doing
little to disguise its frustration | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
with the two wayward Cabinet
ministers. In the eyes of many | 0:04:41 | 0:04:47 | |
ministers, Boris Johnson and Priti
Patel have both lived down | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
expectations. The Foreign Secretary
has caused heartache for the family | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe with
his careless language, whilst the | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
International Development Secretary
has shown that even in the world of | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
high diplomacy, she believes she can
live by her own rules. The wider | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
question is, there is no sense of
direction, no sense of grip in any | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
of these controversies coming from
the Prime Minister, at a time when | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
we really need a functioning Cabinet
and this affects our reputation | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
around the world when we have such
important international negotiations | 0:05:19 | 0:05:27 | |
at stake. This is really damaging
for the whole country, not just for | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
the Conservative Party. Even loyal
MPs believe this has not been the | 0:05:29 | 0:05:35 | |
Goverment's finest hour. I've got to
be honest about it, neither of these | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
scenarios are ideal. Prydie Patel,
from what I can gather, did inform | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
the Foreign Office, albeit whilst
she was in Israel on this visit. But | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
in relation to the Foreign Secretary
Cosme comments, I'm not here to | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
defend those comments. I think, you
know, it is tricky and difficult to | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
do that. What I think we should
remember, though, is that the real | 0:05:56 | 0:06:06 | |
criminals here are the Iranian
regime who are holding somebody, you | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
know, against all natural justice,
for the average over foreign | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
countries. -- for the average.
Battered by events and headstrong | 0:06:10 | 0:06:18 | |
Cabinet ministers, Theresa May's
Government limps on. For the moment, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
it is intact. But the damage is
taking its toll. Nick Watt there. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:28 | |
Accidents don't happen, they are
caused, the old phrase goes. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Nick Watt is with me now. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Next, it's been a bad day for Boris
Johnson. But a much worse one for | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
Priti Patel, we gather, this
evening. Quite a lot of speculation | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
about her future. That's right. She
is still the international developer | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
and secretary. She recently arrived
in the next few hours to Africa for | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
a long planned trip. But some very,
very serious questions are being | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
asked in the heart of Government
about Priti Patel and what actually | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
she declared for this trip to
Israel. And Priti Patel will be | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
very, very lucky if she is still in
the gambit micro by the end of this | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
week. I think the thinking is -- if
she is still in the Cabinet. If new | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
details emerged about this visit,
perhaps elements of this trip that | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
she didn't declare fully to the
Prime Minister, I think she will no | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
longer be a member of the Cabinet.
That information has not yet been | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
presented, it is not yet there are,
as I understand it, at the highest | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
levels of Government. But they are
thinking that if there is more | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
information that wasn't the Clare...
Can use tag a Cabinet minister | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
whilst they are overseas on official
business, what happens? -- can you | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
sag a Cabinet minister. There would
be a discussion between said, by | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
criminals than the premise that, as
I understand it. That information is | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
not sitting in Downing Street, and
it may not get there, but bit by bit | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
more information is coming out. For
example, the Prime Minister did not | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
know, until our BBC colleague James
Landale revealed on the today | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
programme this morning, that Priti
Patel tried to change Government | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
policy on the Golan Heights. She saw
the work that the Israeli defence | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
forces are doing in helping Syrian
refugees who come onto the Golan | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
Heights. The UK Government says the
IDF is doing very, very serious | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
work. But of course, as Alistair
Burt, her ministerial colleagues, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:24 | |
said in the Commons today, the UK
can't help the Israeli defence | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
forces because the UK has never
recognised the Israeli annexation of | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
the goal of heights. That sort of
thing, there is more information | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
that comes out, then it will be very
difficult for her -- the annexation | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
of the Golan Heights. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
In a few minutes, we'll talk
to Labour's Tulip Siddiq. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe
is her constituent. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
She is currently in jail in Iraq,
very important set of questions for | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
Boris Johnson -- in Iran. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
But first, the Conservative MP
Nadhim Zahawi is here. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
He is a member of the Foreign
Affairs Select Committee. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
Good evening to you. I'm assuming
you think it's not possible to | 0:08:55 | 0:09:02 | |
remain a Secretary of State if you
have lied and misled the public on | 0:09:02 | 0:09:09 | |
this matter was ill and Priti Patel
was on a family holiday paid for by | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
herself. She met ministers as well
as many charities and some very | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
interesting start-ups who are, you
know, working in Africa, which she | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
is passionate about. She is in
Africa now. She took a working | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
break. She is a workaholic, that is
what she is like. The Foreign Office | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
knew that whilst the trip was
ongoing... The white they found out | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
that she would does -- she was
visiting... I think are apology, she | 0:09:35 | 0:09:43 | |
was contrite about not going through
the right procedures. Because you | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
need to make sure that you do that.
I didn't focus on the offence of | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
breaking the ministerial code by
going to Israel and conducting your | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
own foreign policy, I was focusing
on the misleading of the public. She | 0:09:55 | 0:10:01 | |
said, Boris knew about the visit.
The point is, the Foreign Office did | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
know about this, Boris knew about
the trip. In fact, yesterday we were | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
told he did become aware of it, but
not in advance. Now, wouldn't you | 0:10:09 | 0:10:16 | |
say that she was misleading the
public, or even lying, when she said | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
that Boris did know about the trip?
Well, that was her interview with | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
the Guardian. The Guardian
subsequently corrected that | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
published every interview that she
had. There was another set of | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
misleading... She said, the stuff is
out there, the stuff that is out | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
there is it as far as I'm concerned.
She hadn't at that stage mentioned | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
that she had met the Israeli Prime
Minister on her holiday, you know, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
as one does. Did that slip her mind,
or was she trying to mislead when | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
she said that the stuff that is out
there is it as forestry is concerned | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
with the well, I think what we know
already is that she had those | 0:10:53 | 0:10:59 | |
meetings, the Foreign Office knew
during her trip that those | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
meetings... I'm talking about the
way that she tried to mislead the | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
public. Do you think misleading the
public is a sackable offence or not | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
Brazil and she apologised to the
Prime Minister, and corrected all of | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
that with a statement. You know, I
think those things... Hang on, she | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
apologised or corrected herself
after it was discovered. She didn't | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
correct it and say, by the way, I've
accidentally misled you. If | 0:11:23 | 0:11:34 | |
effectively, she came out when it
was all in the public domain. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Doesn't that mean what she was doing
was trying to get away with | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
minimising her breach of the
ministerial code, quite a serious | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
one, and then, when she is caught,
she says, sorry, I miss spoke. That | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
is a sackable offence, isn't it?
Beverley Hughes in 2004 went through | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
a similar thing. Peter Mandelson in
the Hindu decays, you didn't like he | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
was is, rated, -- he didn't lie, he
was exonerated, but people thought | 0:11:51 | 0:11:59 | |
that he had lied and he had to
resign. You are talking about these | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
cases. Israel is one of our closest
partners. This is not an enemy state | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
that she was somehow having
clandestine meetings with. The | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Foreign Office knew during this trip
that she was having these visits. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:17 | |
She has admitted the mistake of not
following procedure and apologised | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
for it. I somehow feel that some of
this stuff is being drummed up | 0:12:20 | 0:12:26 | |
because both Priti Patel and the
Foreign Secretary of big beasts in | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
the Brexit campaign and there are
remembers if you think, if we can | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
take out these people and Israel by
-- derail the government... I will | 0:12:34 | 0:12:42 | |
bring in Tulip Siddiq on this one.
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is a | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
constituent of yours. How damaging
the comments that Boris Johnson | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
made? Extremely damaging. My
constituent has been imprisoned in | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
Iran for 18 years now. She's been in
solitary confinement, separated from | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
her baby daughter and denied access
to medical treatment. Boris Johnson, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
in front of the Select Committee,
even though I have raised this case | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
countless times in the last 18
months, and repeatedly said that my | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
constituent was on holiday in Iran,
said that she was training | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
journalists. I would expect our
Foreign Secretary to know that basic | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
facts of a very important case. His
actual words were, he said, she was | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
simply teaching people journalism,
as I understand it, at the very | 0:13:26 | 0:13:32 | |
limit. His defence is, he was
saying, at the worst she was | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
teaching journalism and even that
doesn't justify putting him in jail. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
I wonder if those words at the limit
get him off, because he was meaning | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
to say something along the lines of,
you know, that's not my view, that's | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
the view, and is not a dust of a
geisha. That is absolutely not a | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
good defence in my opinion. -- | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
his words have been seized upon by
the Iranian judiciary system. If you | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
look on their website, they have
said that this shows clearly that | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
this woman was not on holiday in
Iran. As a result, she could be | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
facing fresh charges against her. We
on this side of the world, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
especially the Foreign Secretary,
should be getting our constituent | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
back here at home in West Hampstead,
not increasing the charges against | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
her. I'll tell you what I'd like,
we've only got another minute, I'd | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
like to get a comment from you both
on whether this multiple sort of | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
issues around harassment, Boris
Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
Priti Patel, is telling us there is
some decay in this Government. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
Tulip, is it a bigger vulnerability
for this Government? I think it | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
shows the Government is weak. The
Prime Minister needs to take action | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
quickly. But my focus this week is
bringing my constituent back home, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
and the Foreign Secretary needs to
retract his statement, fly out to | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
Iran, meet her, and bring her back
to her house, where she belongs. A | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
lot of people, even friends of the
party, they are saying, we can't | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
have five years of this, this just
can't go wild. I think the Prime | 0:15:05 | 0:15:14 | |
Minister has been very thoughtful in
her speech to the CBI this week -- | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
this can't go on. It was well
received by the CBI. On Boris, he | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
has apologised and called his
counterpart and sought reassurances. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:26 | |
His words weren't in any way
affecting Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
I'm glad julep wants to focus on
higher, we should put her front and | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
centre of this. I'm sad that the
front bench on the other side were | 0:15:34 | 0:15:41 | |
giggling as soon as Emily Thornberry
finished her speech. You know, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
making political hay out of this.
This will only encourage the IR GC, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
who was a real culprits, remember
who the culprits are. They will | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
enjoy this. The man is Foreign
Secretary of our country. He should | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
not be repeating them mendacious
comments made by the Iranian | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
Revolutionary guard, which is what
he was doing in the Select | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
Committee. He should know better. We
need to leave it there. Thank you so | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
much. We could talk a great deal
longer about this. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
A former member of the Welsh
Government who resigned last week | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
in light of allegations made
against him has been found dead. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
He is understood to have
taken his own life. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Carl Seargent lost his job
as Cabinet Secretary for Communities | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
and Children last Friday. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
He was suspended from Labour
after the First Minister, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Carwyn Jones, learned of a number
of alleged incidents | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
involving women. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:33 | |
The death has obviously been
a great shock to members | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
of the Welsh Assembly,
who suspended proceedings | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
this afternoon. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:38 | |
Chris Cook reports. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
There was rare consensus today in
Cardiff Bay and throughout Labour. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
Sadness at the death of Carl
Sargeant who is believed to have | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
taken his own life. The former Welsh
Cabinet minister left his post last | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
week pending an investigation into
his conduct. Shocked, horrified and | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
deeply sympathetic to his family and
the statement they put out was that | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
he was the glue that held them
altogether and I can only think for | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
the moment of the stress and horror
they are going through. He was | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
somebody who represented our party,
worked hard to represent community | 0:17:15 | 0:17:23 | |
and my deepest sympathies are with
them. Carl Sargeant held a range of | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
post since being elected in 2003
culminating in a Cabinet post for | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
communities and children. He had
been a member of the Welsh | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
Government for ten years, he served
as Chief Whip and then held a | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
variety of sensitive political roles
and I think it is fair to say that | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
half the legislation roughly passed
in the last six years would have | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
been passed through his hands, some
quite ground-breaking stuff around | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
domestic violence and future
generations. Last week Carl Sargeant | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
agreed to stand down from the Welsh
Cabinet while Labour investigated | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
allegations about his behaviour.
Carwyn Jones, the First Minister, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:07 | |
explained I asked by office to speak
to the women involved to provide | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
details of those incidents. As a
result of the conversations I felt I | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
had no choice but to refer the
matter to the party. The family | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
asked me to speak on their behalf
today. They do not want to dwell on | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
the allegations that were made
against him but clearly those have | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
had an impact on his mental state in
recent days and all of us who have | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
been in contact with him have been
worried. Friends, comrades, first of | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
all a big thank you... We have heard
concerns from high up within Welsh | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
Labour about the treatment of Carl
Sargeant why the claims were | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
investigated. Friends say that this
morning he only knew the outline of | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
the allegations. Carl Sargeant is
survived by a widow and two | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
children. Chris Kirk. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
Over the last few days, we've had
stories about Lewis Hamilton, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
Lord Ashcroft and the Queen,
all thrown up by the leak | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
of the so-called "Paradise Papers" -
documents which were obtained | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
by the German newspaper
Sueddeutsche Zeitung and shared | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
with the International Consortium
of Investigative Journalists. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
The reporting has been led
in the UK by BBC Panorama | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
and The Guardian newspaper. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
There is no doubt as to which of
today's Paradise Papers stories | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
is getting most of the attention:
It is the one about Prince Charles, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
an undisclosed investment
in a sustainable forestry company, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
and some active campaigning
for its interests. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
Now, in contrast to the revelations
about the Queen's investments | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
in Bermuda, there was here
a potential conflict of interest | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
in the public work of the Prince,
and the private holdings. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:40 | |
It was February, 2007 that the Duchy
of Cornwall bought shares | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
in a Bermuda company called
Sustainable Forestry Management, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
SFM, for $113,500. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:51 | |
It sold the shares 16 months later
for almost three times the price. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
Nothing wrong with that, it was
clearly a lucrative investment. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
It was also an unsurprising
investment, since the Prince himself | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
is said to be actively involved
in running the Duchy. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
One of his best friends,
the late Hugh Van Cutson | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
was on the board of the company
and it touched on a subject | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
that was obviously dear
to his heart, but interestingly, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
it was all kept very hush-hush. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:22 | |
The board unanimously agreed
that the subscription by the Duchy | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
of Cornwall can be kept confidential
except in respect of any | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
disclosure required by law. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Documents say. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
OK, so no one wanted
to publicise his involvement. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
There followed a number of public
interventions, including this. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:41 | |
The immediate priority, I believe,
is the need to develop | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
a new credit market,
which will give a true value | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
to carbon and the ecosystem services
that rainforests provide the rest | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
of the world. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:54 | |
Other speeches went further,
specifically on an issue that | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
mattered to the company, SFM. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
It's complex, but it was
whether the market in carbon credits | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
created under EU rules
and the Kyoto Protocol | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
should recognise pay-outs
for the preservation | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
of tropical rainforests. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Not only did this matter to SFM,
but the company prepared lobbying | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
papers for the Prince. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Who spoke to the European Commission
and the European Parliament, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
obviously no MEP listening to him
would have been allowed to make such | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
a pitch without disclosing
the financial interest in it. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
No MP here would be either. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Should the Prince be able to? | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Should his investments be
kept secret and should | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
he be lobbying anyway? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
In response to the story,
Clarence House said... | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
They added... | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
Joining me now from Leeds is
the former Chairman of the Committee | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
on Standards in Public Life,
Sir Alistair Graham. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
Good evening to you. Can you explain
the conflict of interest you | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
referred to earlier today as regards
this case? I believe the conflict is | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
that if any public official or in
this case a member of the Royal | 0:22:20 | 0:22:27 | |
Family decides to lobby on an issue,
then they should have a duty to | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
declare any financial interest they
have in the issue that they are | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
lobbying about, which did not happen
in this case. I think a lot of | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
people would say that Prince Charles
would very likely have lobbied on an | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
issue like that because he takes
such an interest in things like | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
sustainable forests and it is
perfectly logical that he would | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
lobby out without having a financial
investment. I do not see why a | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
member of the Royal Family should be
different from any public official | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
who signs up to the seven principles
of public life, which very clearly | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
spell out that if you have got a
financial interest, you have to | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
declare that. There has to be total
transparency about your interests in | 0:23:09 | 0:23:15 | |
a matter that you are trying to
influence public policy, so I don't | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
see why a member of the Royal Family
should be different to any other | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
public official. If they want to
seek to change government or | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
international policy. Would you like
the code to be extended to members | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
of the Royal Family or | 0:23:30 | 0:23:41 | |
would you rather say, we should not
need a code for the Royal Family, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
they should just know this kind of
thing of what works and what does | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
not and they should be automatically
above all that anyway? You would | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
expect members of the Royal Family
to have the highest possible ethical | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
standards in these matters and of
course normally most members of the | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Royal Family do not get involved in
public policy issues, however, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
Prince Charles has a history of
doing that and I personally have no | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
objection in that, but if in fact he
wants to continue, then I think he | 0:24:04 | 0:24:10 | |
does have to meet the standards that
are required of every other public | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
official and that means I accept
that he does not direct what his | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
financial investment is, but before
he speaks on a policy, he should | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
check with his officials with the
Duchy of Cornwall about whether they | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
have any investments that would put
him in an embarrassing conflict | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
situation. We do not know whether he
knew he had money invested in this | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
company but we do know that his
friend who was a director had | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
written to him with some of this
lobbying material that was making | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
the case for this change in carbon
trading. Even if he did not know he | 0:24:46 | 0:24:53 | |
had the investment, merely on the
grounds that his friend had given | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
him some lobbying material without
the conflict of interest in itself? | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
I think a potentially could be,
because you're open to the charge or | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
the perception that you are pursuing
someone else's argument rather than | 0:25:04 | 0:25:12 | |
necessarily your own. But I do think
the crucial thing in this particular | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
instance was not the lobbying
documents but the timing of the | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
lobbying was shortly after the
investment. And therefore, there was | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
bound to be, if the information
became public, a perception of a | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
conflict of interests. And I would
have thought Prince Charles being a | 0:25:31 | 0:25:37 | |
man of highest integrity would have
seen that that would be an | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
embarrassing situation and he should
have checked whether there was any | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
investment that produced a potential
conflict. Thank you for joining us. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
Now, without diminishing any
revelations contained | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
in the Paradise Papers relating
to the Royals, the super rich, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
TV stars or VAT-avoiding
racing drivers, it may be | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
that we are giving too little
attention to another side of this | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
world of offshore finance. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
It's one that has massive
implications for the citizens | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
of countries far poorer than ours,
because in this leak of documents | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
we can see how it's possible to take
revenues or resources that belong | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
to poor nations and expropriate
them for private use. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:16 | |
Our reporter David Grossman has been
one of the international team | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
of journalists examining
the Paradise Papers, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
and has been looking specifically
at the management of Angola's | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
sovereign wealth fund. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
It is designed help develop
the country and provide a future | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
income when the country's oil
reserves run out. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
It appears though that the level
of management fees charged | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
and the choice of investments
is making one individual close | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
to the Angolan regime
a great deal of money. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
MUSIC. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:50 | |
Angola manages a curious double. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Its capital, Luanda,
is officially the most expensive | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
city in the world to visit. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
But the country is
one of the poorest. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
One reason for this is corruption. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
Investigating the financial
interests of Angola's rulers | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
is usually an impossible task. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:11 | |
Although the border's only just over
there where those signs are, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
a couple of hundred yards from here,
it's not an easy place | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
for journalists to go,
particularly when the subject | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
of our investigation
is the son of the President | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
and somebody very close to him. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Fortunately, though, we've got
a huge pile of leaked data - | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
sensitive financial information that
throws a window open | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
into that closed world. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
Although Jose Eduardo dos Santos
stood down as President after 38 | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
years in the summer,
it was to his chosen successor. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
Many believe the move was more
about preserving power, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
not handing it over. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
In Angola, power comes from money,
and money comes from oil. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
And while he was in office,
President dos Santos ruthlessly | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
controlled that well. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
His daughter, Isabel,
known as Africa's richest woman, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
with an estimated wealth
of $3.5 billion, was, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
at the stroke of her father's pen,
made head of the state oil company, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Sonangol. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
His son, Jose Filomeno dos Santos,
known as Zenu, was appointed | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
to another position -
again, by the President. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
$5 billion of oil money was placed
in a sovereign wealth fund, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
the Fundo Soberano de
Angola, or FSDEA. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
And Zenu was put in charge. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
The process was not transparent
according to normal standards | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
anywhere in the world. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
But what was transparent
for the people of Angola | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
was that the only criteria why
he was selected, it was because he | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
was the son of the President. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
He had no training, no experience,
no special qualifications. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
The fund appointed a company called
Quantum Global to manage its money. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
It is majority-owned
by Jean-Claude Bastos, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
a Swiss-Angolan businessman
who is a close friend and at that | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
time was a business partner of Zenu. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
We see only one asset management
firm in charge of the vast majority | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
of the fund's assets. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
That's unusual. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
And it's unusual for
a number of reasons. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
And the principal one is that funds
want to hedge the risk. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
You don't want to put
all your eggs in one basket. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
You want to spread your eggs over
a number of baskets. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
In general, the Angolan fund,
and I think this is true of a lot | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
of the funds that sort of score
poorly on transparency | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
and accountability indicators,
one of the things that they have | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
in common is the lack of rules
around who the managers are, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
how the managers are chosen,
and what assets the fund can invest | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
in and what it can't invest in. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
We asked FSDEA how Quantum Global
was selected as the main | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
investment manager. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
No one wanted to be interviewed
for this programme. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
But in a statement, they said... | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
Mr Bastos also told us... | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Mr Bastos first applied to manage
the money from Jersey. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
But the authorities there thought
he was too close to the President's | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
son to be independent. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
We've seen the internal report
into his application, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
which also noted... | 0:30:27 | 0:30:28 | |
Mr Bastos turned to another island
to manage the fund's investments. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
Where it once farmed sugar,
Mauritius now farms money. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
It's an offshore tax haven. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
And it's here that Mr Bastos left
three of the $5 billion to invest | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
in seven funds he created. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
Using the services of the law firm
Appleby, based in this | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
building in Port Louis,
Mr Bastos set up Quantum Global | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
Investment Management. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
Appleby, as you may have seen
in the news, suffered a huge data | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
leak of highly sensitive
information, revealed this week. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:30 | |
The leak was obtained
by the German newspaper | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Suddeutsche Zeitung,
who shared it with the | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
International Consortium
of Investigative Journalists. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
The BBC has been researching it,
along with the Guardian newspaper. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
For the last nine months,
we've been putting together | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
information from the leak
with publicly available sources, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
and talking to insiders. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
As a result, we have managed
to piece together much of what's | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
going on inside the management
of the sovereign | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
wealth fund's money. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
The first thing to look
at is the management fees | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Quantum Global was paid for managing
the seven Mauritius-based funds. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
Between 2% and 2.5%
of the $3 billion every year. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:14 | |
In just 20 months, the company
was paid $92 million. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
Over this time, most of that
money was not invested, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
but sat in bank accounts. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
At the end of 2015,
QGIAM had invested just | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
$407 million of the $7 billion. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
At the end of 2016, that figure had
gone up to $433 million. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
In other words, during 2016,
an additional $26 million | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
was invested by the seven funds. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
Over this period, Quantum Global
was paid around $70 million in fees. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
So, what we see in that case... | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Is that unheard-of? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
No. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:52 | |
The question I'd be asking is,
is the Angolan fund getting | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
its value for money? | 0:32:55 | 0:32:56 | |
If you are making... | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
If you're paying those
types of management fees, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
you must be getting extraordinary
service for that. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
And if I were the Angolan fund
managers, I would be asking, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
are we getting an extraordinary
service or not? | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
Both Mr Bastos and the funds say
the management fees are reasonable. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
What happened to them,
though, may, in according | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
to industry insiders,
be an indication that | 0:33:17 | 0:33:23 | |
they were set too high. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:24 | |
Because of the leak,
we can see that $41 million | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
of the $92 million of management
fees was paid out as dividends. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
In other words, it was profit. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:31 | |
It went to a company called
QG Investments Limited | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
in the British Virgin Islands. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
This is owned by White Nite Limited,
also in the British Virgin Islands. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Which is owned by Green Trees
Incorporated, in the Seychelles. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
And this company is
owned by Mr Bastos. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Of the rest, $34 million
was paid to another company, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
Quantum Global Alternative
Investments. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Part of the Quantum Global Group
of which Mr Bastos | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
is the majority owner. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
So, the documents that I saw reveal
a complex financial structure. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:02 | |
But they reveal a complex financial
structure which doesn't, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
on the face of it, seem illegal,
but highly opaque, that allows | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
somebody who wants to hide gains
that they are making, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
perhaps inappropriately,
shall we say, rather than illicitly, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
hide those gains and hide who owns
what company and who is | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
receiving what payments. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
The videos on Mr Bastos's personal
YouTube channel portray | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
a dynamic entrepreneur
with many financial interests. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:34 | |
Go out as you are a dreamer
and follow your dreams. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
Be courageous, and do not give up. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
So, what did Mr Bastos
invest the sovereign | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
wealth fund's money in? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:44 | |
During the 20 months
covered by the leak, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
we can see evidence that he made six
investments in hotels | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
and infrastructure. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
But three of the investments
were in projects in which Mr Bastos | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
has a personal stake. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
For example, there is a $157
million hotel complex | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
in Angola's capital,
Luanda. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
It is to be built on land
owned by Mr Bastos, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
and by a company owned by Mr Bastos. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
We have spoken to an insider
with knowledge of the deal, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
who told us that Quantum Global
appointed independent analysts | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
to go over the deal. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
They concluded it wasn't a good one
for the Angolan people's money. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
The projected returns were too low,
and the costs too high. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
And yet, the investment
was approved. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
So, the difference between private
equity and venture capitalism... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
Mr Bastos clearly knows
a lot about making money. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
But what's not clear is why a man
who was prosecuted in Switzerland, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
a man with a web of complex
financial interests, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
was given the opportunity
to make what appears, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
from this leak at least,
to be so much money | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
from the Angolan people's fund? | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
This is a balance of cash
being carried into bank | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
accounts in Switzerland. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
This is fees being charged here,
earnings being made there, | 0:35:56 | 0:36:02 | |
to benefit, it would appear,
one particular individual. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
Why is he in this favoured position? | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
What connections does he have? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
Where does the money go onward
from him and from his companies? | 0:36:13 | 0:36:19 | |
At this stage, certainly
from documents I've | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
seen, we don't know. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
But there will clearly be some other
connection that justifies him | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
being in the position that he is in. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
Mr Bastos, though,
insisted that the hotel | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
investment was viable. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:32 | |
He denied there was any conflict
of interest, saying... | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
The FSDEA told us... | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
Meanwhile, in Luanda,
where a man skims a flooded crater | 0:37:00 | 0:37:06 | |
for the mosquito larvae which causes
yellow fever, malaria and Zika, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
it's not hard to see
where the money could be spent. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
This hospital in Cazenga
is overwhelmed by patients. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
Some have had to buy their own drugs
and equipment from hawkers outside. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
These are the people the Angolan
sovereign wealth fund | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
is supposed to be helping. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
David Grossman joins me now. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:33 | |
David, you've been working a couple
of months on that piece from the | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
Paradise Papers. But evidence that
this isn't the only story of this | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
kind. This angle the case. No,
indeed. We focused a lot on these | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
jurisdictions and the impact on the
super-rich, when actually it may be | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
that they have more impact on the
Super Bowl, particularly in | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
developing countries that maybe,
like Angola, resource rich but lack | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
of expertise and capital to exploit
those resources. In many cases, they | 0:37:57 | 0:38:05 | |
invite in multinationals, and those
companies find that multinationals | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
are very good at shifting profit out
of the company so they do not pay | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
tax, and into offshore
jurisdictions. I visited Namibia as | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
part of an investigation for the BBC
World Service assignment programme | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
and Radio 4, and I found that even
though it has the richest fishing | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
waters in that part of the world and
on the planet, the Finance Minister | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
told me they cannot make enough on
taxing fishing to pay for the | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
furniture of the fishing industry,
the regulation, the patrol boats. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
One of the people that we met told
us there is a vast sinkhole down | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
which Africa's tax revenues are
disappearing, that is the | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
jurisdiction of Mauritius. Thank
you. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Time now for Viewsnight -
where we give original thinkers | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
the space to get something
off their chest. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
And in the run up to
Remembrance Sunday, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:56 | |
tonight's contributor,
Prospect Magazine's | 0:38:56 | 0:38:57 | |
Stephanie Boland, has this
on wearing the poppy. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
Stephanie Boland for Viewsnight.
Let's take a quick look with Nick on | 0:40:49 | 0:40:59 | |
the latest on Priti Patel, what is
the latest? The International | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
Development Secretary will be having
a very awkward phone conversation | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
with the Prime Minister in the
morning. As I understand it, there | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
is a feeling in Whitehall that there
was at least one extra meeting that | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
Priti Patel did not tell the Prime
Minister she had had with Israeli | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
officials after she came back from
Israel in August. She did not, it is | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
alleged, told the Prime Minister
about this on Monday when she met | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
her. The feeling from number ten is
that if more information comes out | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
and they will have to take a very,
very careful look. A very difficult | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
conversation tomorrow morning, I'm
told. Clearly a moving story there. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:39 | |
That is all we have time for
tonight. I suspect that we will | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
return to that tomorrow. In the
meantime, good night. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 |