08/11/2017 Newsnight


08/11/2017

Analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines. The fall of Priti Patel and what it means for the government. Trump's first anniversary; how is it going for him?


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We are showing a plane that has just

arrived back at Heathrow. We cannot

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be sure she is on board. If she is,

she may look out of her window and a

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couple of helicopters and realised

that her arrival is much

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anticipated.

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It was a long flight

back for Priti Patel.

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The joke was that she was soon to be

duty free on her return.

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After a day that made

the Thick of It look

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like The Churchill Diaries,

Priti Patel finally resigned.

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Was it even a form

of Remainer revenge?

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If you go into how did Priti Patel's

visit get leaked in the first place,

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was it leaked by the Foreign Office,

was it leaked by somebody

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in the Foreign Office

who resented her and probably

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the Foreign Secretary,

as well, and Brexit,

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you may well find something.

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Is this government capable of

anything other than political drama?

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And I'm in Washington a year

on from the night Donald Trump

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was elected president: We're asking

what we've learnt from the biggest

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political gamble the world

has perhaps ever seen.

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And ahead of the next big race, we

have been in Alabama. How do things

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look from there?

The opinion of most

people at any distance from Alabama

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is that we are ignorant and

prejudiced. Most of that is

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justified!

You really think that?

Yes.

And does he exemplify that?

He

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preys on it.

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Hello.

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It was either a day to laugh

at comedy politics:

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a slow-motion,

transcontinental cabinet-sacking

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with a build up that

played out on TV,

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the stuff that makes for a good week

on Have I Got News For You.

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Or it was a day to cry

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at a country with a distracted

and dysfunctional government,

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and about to be hit by a freight

train called Brexit.

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While political obsessives

here enjoyed tracking

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Priti Patel's Kenyan Airlines flight

from Nairobi back to the UK,

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some on the continent,

like the European Parliament's

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Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt,

were warning that talks

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still remain very deadlocked.

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Meanwhile, the prominent

Brexiteer Priti Patel herself,

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sacked from the cabinet,

sits as a potentially vocal

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critic on the backbenches.

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Will that upset the delicate

balance of hard and soft

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Brexit in the cabinet?

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Are we paralysed by a divided

Government that can't muster

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a majority for either Brexit,

soft or hard, let alone

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do anything else?

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Well, lots to talk about.

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First, here's Nick Watt

on the day of drama.

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His film contains flash photography.

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When you are weak and vulnerable,

life can be, well, downright cruel.

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Out of the blue, you can be ensnared

in a moment. Theresa May has

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thankfully not been eaten for dinner

on a remote island. But Downing

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Street could be forgiven for

wondering where the next danger is

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lurking. Priti Patel was forced to

resign after her mishandling of a

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trip to Israel seemingly burst onto

the scene from nowhere. So Priti

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Patel has just left Downing Street

not through that door, but through

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the back door down there, after a 30

minute meeting with the Prime

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Minister in which she formally

resigned as International

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Development Secretary. There then

followed the ritual exchange of

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letters with a rather pointed remark

from the Prime Minister saying, it

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is right that you decided to resign.

Friends of Priti Patel say she still

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has leadership ambitions, but she

will be taking time out, adopting a

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low profile. But she will be back in

the new year for what they regard as

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the next chapter in her very live

political career.

I'm a fan of Priti

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Patel. I think she's done a good job

at DFID as someone who was sceptical

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about some of the aid budget. She's

good at communicating to people who

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are sceptical where aid budget has

not been spent as well as it could

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have been. She's made changes where

it is defensible, and she has given

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a strong defence. Clearly, it was a

major mistake to do these meetings

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and not report them to the Foreign

Office and not have officials. It is

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normal for ministers went on holiday

to take some time out and do some

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official engagements. There are many

countries to which if a cabinet

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minister went and did not pay a

courtesy call, they would be

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offended.

And who can blame Priti

Patel for steering clear of the

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cameras to my? She had after all

spent the best part of two days

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shuttling between Heathrow and

Nairobi. It was the most eagerly

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awaited return flight to Heathrow

since the Fab four flew in from

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their sell-out tours of America.

Sadly, today these were not

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screaming fans, but journalists

scenting prey. This may all have the

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feel of a Whitehall farce, but we

are witnessing a Prime Minister

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struggling to hold together her

government. It is exactly a week

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since Michael Fallon resigned as

Defence Secretary and her effective

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deputy Damian Green is fighting for

his political life.

Theresa May has

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picked people that she believes need

to be close to her. Some people say

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you have your enemies close to you.

Whether that is the case or not, I

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will never know. But unfortunately,

the people in her cabinets are out

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of control and it is really showing

her up. She needs to sort it out.

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The sooner, the better for her,

because the damage control at this

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point in time is serious.

She's in a

bad place. A senior editor who found

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himself at odds with Downing Street

the Priti Patel visit Cisse

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government in difficulty, although

not on the scale suggested by some.

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It's interesting, the parallel with

the Suez crisis and the enviable

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month of the British government

then. I think there is a more recent

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example, which is the John Major

government. It is a similar sense of

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everything collapsing around it.

A

smiling Theresa May did have a brief

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outing today. This turned out to be

her new waxwork at Madame Tussaud's.

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No doubt the real Prime Minister

will be hoping that she too can

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regain her stride.

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Nick Watt missed one other

item of government news:

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International Trade minister

Mark Garnier apologised

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to his constituents for having

asked his secretary to buy sex toys.

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He said the episode had been

reported

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"outside the context

in which it occurred".

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Funny old day.

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Well, Nick is with me.

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I have used the phrase sacked and

resigned in the course of my

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introduction today. Which is the

right one?

I think this was a

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sacking dressed up as a resignation.

I said last night that there was a

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feeling at the centre of government

that if any more details emerge

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about this visit to Israel and the

subsequent meetings that took place

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that had not been disclosed to the

Prime Minister, there would be

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trouble. I suggested that there was

one meeting they were concerned

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about, and details of that emerged

today. Priti Patel met the Israeli

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security minister on the 7th of

September in the House of Commons.

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That emerged today, and that message

went down to Nairobi. It was

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basically over. So Priti Patel, in

her letter, offered a fulsome

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apology to the Prime Minister, and

this was the key line in the Prime

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Minister's letter to her, saying

"Now that further details have come

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to light, it is right that you have

decided to resign". We all know what

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that means - you have decided to

leave my government.

What happens

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now to Priti Patel? She is a

backbencher now.

Priti Patel is

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taking this in her stride

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backbencher now.

Priti Patel is

taking this in her stride. As she

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was flying back, a message went back

to her supporters finger bash "Don't

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bother defending me, I know what is

going to happen". I have known Priti

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Patel for 20 years. She is a very

determined politician. She started

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her political career in the

referendum party, the Jimmy

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Goldsmith Eurosceptic party. Then

she worked for William Hague, made

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it to parliament and then made it to

cabinet. My instinct is, her friends

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have told me she still has

leadership ambitions, but she has a

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much bigger job to do which I think

we will see her doing in the new

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year - the Guardian of Brexit. Look

at the final line in her letter to

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the Prime Minister - "I will also

speak up for our country, our

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national interests and the great

future that Britain has as a free,

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independent and sovereign nation. "

We have not heard the last of Priti

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Patel.

Nick, thank you very much.

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A little earlier, I spoke

to the leading Tory Brexitieer,

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Jacob Rees Mogg, darling

of many activists.

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Now, last night, Nadhim Zahawi

suggested on this programme

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that the focus on Priti Patel

and Boris Johnson may be a sort

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of Remainer revenge motivated

by Brexit divisions.

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Did Mr Rees Mogg think that?

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As a general rule, conspiracy

theories are wrong.

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People aren't behaving

according to some

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grand Marxist plan to

overthrow the Government.

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Nonetheless, there are some people

who are still very bitter

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about the result a year ago,

and inevitably,

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that colours their behaviour.

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So if you go into how did

Priti Patel's visit

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come out in the first place,

was it leaked by the Foreign Office,

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was it leaked by somebody

in the Foreign Office

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who resented her and probably

the Foreign Secretary's

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role in Brexit,

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you may find something.

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Does a Brexit Secretary of State

have to be replaced by another

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Brexit-supporting

Secretary of State?

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Is it one for one at the moment?

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I don't think so.

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I think there are many people

within the Conservative Party

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who supported Remain who are now

comfortably in favour of Brexit.

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If you take the appointment

of Gavin Williamson, I thought

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that he had come to accept Brexit

and was pushing, as Chief Whip,

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the bills through Parliament

to implement Brexit.

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And although he was replacing

a Remainer, I wouldn't have been

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in the least worried if somebody

like Gavin Williamson had

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replaced a Brexiteer,

because he's come round to it.

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There are, on the other hand, some

Remainers who will never accept it.

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So if Kenneth Clarke

were brought in to replace

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Priti Patel, I would think

that was a bit extraordinary.

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But as long as it's somebody who has

accepted that Brexit is happening

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and will support it properly

and won't be a frightful Eeyore,

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I don't think

there will be a problem.

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But aren't you underestimating

the division?

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A lot of Remainers have accepted

Brexit, but they don't necessarily

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accept your version of Brexit.

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No, that's true.

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There is a divide between people

who want Brexit to mean

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we're basically staying

within the European Union.

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They are essentially the Remainers

who are unchanged and give

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a veneer of acceptance,

but haven't truly accepted it.

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I think there are quite a lot

of people who were quite evenly

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balanced when they made the decision

as to which side to support,

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who are now enthusiastic

about Brexit and want us to get

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on with it properly.

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And for you, it has to be one

of those rather than one

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of the phoney converted...

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Absolutely.

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It has to be somebody

who accepts Government

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policy and is enthusiastic

about Government policy.

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Would you take a job as

International Development Secretary?

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I'm not going to be offered!

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And it's a department

that I have my doubts

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about in the first place.

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Is the Government in as big a mess

as it looks at the moment?

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No, it isn't.

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If you look at the history

of ministerial resignations,

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these happen to strong governments

as much as they happen to

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governments with small majorities.

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Two in a week?

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Well, think back to the same person

resigning twice under Tony Blair.

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Peter Mandelson was popping in and

out of the Cabinet the whole time.

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Or Cecil Parkinson leaving

Margaret Thatcher.

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These things do happen, and it's

part of the life of politics.

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Politics is always changing.

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Things are emerging.

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Things happen.

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So no, I don't think it's

a commentary on the state

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of the Government.

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So it's not, in your view,

the divisions that are causing

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a sense of chaos in government.

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Is it the leader?

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It is not the Prime Minister's

fault that

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while she's been Prime Minister,

a sex scandal has erupted

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affecting all parties.

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She's getting on with the job.

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There is a clear path to Brexit.

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The bill is coming

through Parliament.

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So I think it's easy

to overstate the difficulties.

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Can we really go five years?

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Well, '74-79.

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Yes, of course we can.

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We're joined from Nottingham

by the Conservative MP Anna Soubry,

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a fervent Remainer.

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Plus, to help us digest the day,

the LBC presenter Iain Dale

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and the Times columnist

Jenni Russell.

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Let me start with you, Anna Soubry.

Two cabinet ministers gone in a

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week. What leads to happen now?

The

first thing that needs to happen is,

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you need to stop calling people like

me a fervent Remainer. We have to

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move on. People like me have voted

in accordance with the promise we

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made to our constituents that we

would abide by and respect the

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result of the referendum. I voted

against my conscience. I voted to

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trickle Article 50 out of respect

and I am abiding by that promise. We

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have to change the language. We need

to bring our country back together

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so that we form a consensus so that

we can get the best Brexit for our

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country.

But it is funny you say

that, because one of the theories

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about this government is that it is

paralysed by a division which is the

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old Brexit remain the vision now

manifesting itself in those who are

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happy with no Deal and those who are

not happy with no deal or any of the

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other arguments over Europe, and it

can't get anything done. Or can get

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anything done until it resolves,

whether it is the Anna Soubry bring

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in charge or the Jacob Rees Mogg

wing?

I don't accept that it is Anna

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Soubry and Jacob Rees Mogg. I think

Jacob represents a small number of

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members of Parliament in my party,

and then there is a huge swathe of

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other people in the Conservative

Party and Parliament, Conservative

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members of Parliament who have

accepted the result, and they want

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us to get on and get the best deal,

and I am one of those. I accept that

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I want us to stay in the single

market and the customs union, and

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not everybody agrees with me. But

what is interesting and is

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unfortunately not often reported is

that the consensus that is

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undoubtedly growing, and we saw it

on Monday night, we had a good

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debate about the organisations, not

reported by you unfortunately, and

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you didn't look who was speaking in

favour of that.

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I hadn't meant to get into Brexit,

that just happened. Sorry. What does

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Theresa May need to do now to

eradicate this view of the

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government being indicate?

First of

all we have to say, as Jacob said,

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she had to take firm action with

Michael Fallon last week. Sorry to

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see him go that it was absolutely

the right thing. She didn't mess

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about as we now know, as you now

know. Michael went within two hours

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of a complaint coming forward about

his behaviour. Now we seen the

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action ever Priti Patel. I'm sorry

she has had to go on a personal

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level. I hugely like her. She is

exceptionally talented. I'm sure

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we've all seen the last of her. Now

she has got to get her Cabinet, all

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of them, in a row, get them working

together. You know my views on

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Boris, those are just mine. She

brings them all together. We have

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got the Budget coming up. We have

got the European Union talks in

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December. We've got an industrial

strategy. That's going to be very

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positive. Good news. We need to just

get on with it now. That's what

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people in the real world want. They

are pretty cheesed off with people

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falling out and all of this sort of

stuff, they want a government that

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is competent. Theresa May has that

ability.

Thank you very much.

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Let's died yesterday.

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-- lets digests the day.

How long

have we got?

Are these really deep

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wounds?

It is the mark of a

government that doesn't know what it

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is doing and a Prime Minister that

cannot control her Cabinet. We would

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have all been talking about Boris

Johnson had it not been about Priti

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Patel today. He is endangering a

British woman in Iran. She may face

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another five years in jail possibly

because Boris Johnson could not be

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bothered to read his brief. It may

seem like she cannot sack him

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because she's already lost two

Cabinet ministers in a week and he

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represents a part of the party that

she doesn't want to alienate

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further. Yet he is making Britain a

laughing stock.

It does come back to

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the divisions in the outcome to some

extent, you think, because she is

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trying to keep this coalition

together?

It comes back to the

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divisions and the fact that he went

to the country and said, I want a

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majority for a heart Brexit, didn't

get it, misplaced her hand, now has

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persisted in acting as if the

country has said, go ahead and carry

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on like you were last January. --

she went to the country. The country

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doesn't agree with her. She isn't

powerful enough to enforce her views

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on the party or on Parliament.

That

is pretty damning.

I don't think she

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can last.

Am I living in a parallel

universe? Probably. Most of that

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interview with Anna Soubry was about

Brexit, not Priti Patel, most of

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what you said is about Brexit, and

not Priti Patel.

It is about the

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position of the government.

How was

Theresa May to be held responsible

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for Michael Fallon going or Priti

Patel? There is nothing she could

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have done to bring Priti Patel into

line and Abate ministerial...

Isn't

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that the nature of the government...

Is it divided? -- owed a

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ministerial...

There are divisions

in all political parties. Political

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parties are basically coalitions.

You demonstrated it tonight with

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Anna Soubry and Jason Rees Mogg. For

obvious reasons. You will go to the

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politicians at either extreme of the

party to give their opinion and

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create further havoc. It's right for

you to do that. But we shouldn't be

0:18:430:18:47

surprised that any of these

differences of opinion. That get

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real. This has happened today

because Priti Patel ignored the

0:18:500:18:54

ministerial code. It's as simple as

that. It's the most clear-cut reason

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for a minister to be sacked. She was

sacked. That's not...

Layla she

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misled the Prime Minister. --

she

missed that the Prime Minister. Give

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Theresa May credit, she allowed her

to leave with some dignity.

Has any

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government that has looked as

accident prone comeback and been

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through a period of serenity and

stability? Can you think of one?

Not

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that I can remember. The point was

making was slightly different. It

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isn't that Theresa May is

responsible for Michael Fallon or

0:19:320:19:34

Priti Patel, although perhaps the

fact Priti Patel felt she could be

0:19:340:19:39

such a free agent is an example that

the Cabinet pays less and less

0:19:390:19:43

attention to the Prime Minister.

Since she is already in that mess

0:19:430:19:46

she cannot now afford to take

powerful action against a minister

0:19:460:19:50

not seem to be doing his job. Boris

Johnson has been characterised by

0:19:500:19:54

the Financial Times as the least

distinguished Foreign Secretary

0:19:540:19:57

since 1945. And who isn't on top of

history. And is in danger of

0:19:570:20:03

endangering our position in the

world and in the Brexit talks.

All

0:20:030:20:08

of the papers are leading on it.

Another day another crisis, the

0:20:080:20:12

Telegraph. The turmoil grows as

Priti Patel quits, in the Guardian.

0:20:120:20:19

The Times fears that the Cabinet

will collapse. Is this a collapsible

0:20:190:20:25

government? -- at the Times, fears

that the government will collapse.

0:20:250:20:31

The Callaghan government lasted for

five years. So did John Major. But

0:20:310:20:35

this has an air of a John Major

government about and where you have

0:20:350:20:39

one crisis on top of another and one

resignation on top of another. I

0:20:390:20:43

think Theresa May's task now is to

effectively lost until Christmas.

0:20:430:20:47

We've got the Budget. You could the

EU summit. Some pretty big hurdles

0:20:470:20:52

coming her way. You have the Sue

Gray report into Damian Green. If he

0:20:520:20:57

was forced out, now, that's a real

crisis. But we shall see. I don't

0:20:570:21:01

know when that is coming out.

Last

question, asking for a friend, are

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the politicians who are running

things now lower calibre than they

0:21:070:21:09

were in the 1990s and the 1980s?

Yes. I think that's true.

They were

0:21:090:21:15

better then than now?

We did not

think they were great them, but they

0:21:150:21:21

were better. There was a raft of

able people who came in as Tory MPs

0:21:210:21:26

in 2010 and 2015 and 2017 and they

are not getting their shot at

0:21:260:21:30

government.

They have only been

there for two years.

They are very

0:21:300:21:35

impatient.

You know how politics

works. Tony Blair wouldn't have done

0:21:350:21:39

that. There is a certain bit of old

gittism here. Saying it wasn't like

0:21:390:21:48

that in the 1970s.

It wasn't.

Let's

leave it there. Thanks.

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Well, it's a programme

of two halves today,

0:21:540:21:56

a transatlantic alliance

0:21:560:21:57

because from the news here,

0:21:570:21:58

it's over to a memorable

anniversary in the US,

0:21:580:22:00

and Emily is there.

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Good evening.

0:22:020:22:02

Good evening from Washington.

0:22:020:22:03

Donald Trump won the presidential

election a year ago today:

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It has been divisive, it has been

surreal, it has been like nothing we

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have ever seen.

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MUSIC: You're Welcome

by Dwayne Johnson.

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# OK, OK.

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# I see what's happening

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# You're face-to face

with greatness and it's strange.

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# You don't even know how

you feel

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# It's adorable!

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From this day forward,

it's going to be only America first.

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America first.

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CHEERING

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# What can I say

except you're welcome...

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As you know, I have a running

war with the media.

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# Hey, it's OK,

it's OK, you're welcome...

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Are you sure Russia

was behind hacking?

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They sort of made it

sound like I had a feud

0:23:030:23:05

with the intelligence community.

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It has nothing to do with Russia.

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Are you really, really sure?

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# So what can I say

except you're welcome

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# For the islands

I pulled from the sea

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# There's no need to pray, it's OK

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# You're welcome, ha!

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# I guess it's just

my way of being me

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# You're welcome...

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Thank you, everybody.

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# Well, come to think of it...

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Oh, my God, oh, my God,

people are badly hurt.

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Oh, my God.

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We condemn in the strongest possible

terms this egregious display

0:23:530:23:55

of hatred, bigotry and violence -

on many sides.

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# Well, anyway, let me

say you're welcome

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# For the wonderful world you know

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# Hey, it's OK, it's

OK, you're welcome

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# Well, come to think

of it, I got to go

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# Hey, it's OK to say you're welcome

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# Cos I'm gonna need that boat

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# I'm sailing away,

away, you're welcome...

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The Russia story is

a total fabrication.

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What the prosecutors should be

looking at are Hillary Clinton's

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33,000 deleted e-mails.

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# And thank you!#.

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Candidly and was perhaps the biggest

gamble the world has ever known.

0:24:470:24:51

Donald Trump's election rocked the

foundations of politics as we knew

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it. Even a year on it can still the

heart and body. Tonight, 12 months

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on from the day America chose its

new president we are back in

0:25:010:25:04

Washington asking whether the gamble

has paid off. How do those who put

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him in power think he is doing? Last

I saw victories for the Democrats in

0:25:070:25:12

Virginia and New Jersey. That

doesn't spell the end of the Trump

0:25:120:25:15

experiment but it does hint that his

own Republican party is divided on

0:25:150:25:18

how to win with him in power.

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We've been in the Deep South state

of Alabama ahead of a critical

0:25:230:25:26

senate election next month.

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In the primaries,

the establishment candidate

0:25:270:25:28

there was beaten by Roy Moore -

a man who takes Trumpism now

0:25:280:25:32

to new heights, who's backed

by Steve Bannon and who's been

0:25:320:25:34

accused of reopening the wounds

of the state's racial past

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at a time when America is already

intractably divided.

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Alabama is a state

you rarely hear about

0:25:500:25:53

on the presidential campaign trail.

0:25:530:25:54

Its soul is deep, deep red.

0:25:540:25:58

It hasn't seen a Democrat win

here since Jimmy Carter in '76,

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yet now, suddenly, it's the talk

of the town.

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Next month's Senate election

to replace Jeff Sessions,

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now Attorney General,

is one of the weirdest races

0:26:080:26:10

anyone has ever seen.

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And it poses the bigger question:

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Has the election of Donald Trump

a year ago created

0:26:150:26:17

a new normal for America?

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Evening rush hour in Selma,

Alabama, is a gentle affair.

0:26:190:26:22

No queues, no jams.

0:26:220:26:28

But the noise, when it

comes, is passionate.

0:26:280:26:35

They're trying to get out the black

vote for the Alabama Senate race

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next month, telling those willing

to wind down their window

0:26:380:26:41

how critical it is.

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One vote, sir, can

make a difference.

0:26:420:26:45

One vote can save lives.

0:26:450:26:48

Faya Rose Toure was Alabama's

first black female judge.

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We believe that December 12th

is a life-and-death election.

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We truly believe, as statistics

show, that one vote

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can make a difference.

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Selma's a birthplace

of the civil rights movement.

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It was here in 1965 that

Martin Luther King led demonstrators

0:27:060:27:09

demanding suffrage on the 50 mile

march into the state capital.

0:27:090:27:17

On this bridge, they were beaten

back like dogs by state troopers,

0:27:170:27:19

violence sanctioned by Selma's

mayor and governor.

0:27:190:27:22

The bridge was named

after the Confederate general

0:27:220:27:24

Ku Klux Klan leader and,

yes, Democratic senator

0:27:240:27:26

Edmund Pettus, responsible

for taking away the vote of black

0:27:260:27:29

men in 1902.

0:27:290:27:32

The fact that it still bears

his name, says Faya,

0:27:320:27:34

is a reminder that this is not

a past struggle,

0:27:340:27:37

but a very living one.

0:27:370:27:40

We're trying to get people

to understand that the people

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who support the Trump agenda will be

running on December 12th,

0:27:440:27:47

will be running next year.

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And it's extremely important that

you stop all of the President's men,

0:27:480:27:51

because he cannot carry forward this

agenda without them.

0:27:510:27:58

She will not say his name,

but she means this man,

0:27:580:28:01

Republican candidate for Senate,

Roy Moore.

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Our foundation has been shaken.

0:28:110:28:13

Crime, corruption, amorality,

abortion, sodomy, sexual

0:28:130:28:14

perversion, sweep our land.

0:28:140:28:17

He's called for gay sex to be

illegal, claimed parts of America

0:28:170:28:20

already live under Sharia law.

0:28:200:28:22

He believed Obama was a Muslim

who was not US-born.

0:28:220:28:26

Doug Jones is Moore's Democratic

rival in the race.

0:28:260:28:30

He is known for being soft spoken,

but when I meet him,

0:28:300:28:32

he doesn't hold back.

0:28:320:28:37

What I think people in this country

worry about is that Roy Moore

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will be the foreshadow

of things to come.

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I think he divides people by race.

0:28:420:28:43

I think he divides

people by religion.

0:28:430:28:46

I think he divides people

by your sexual orientation.

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Unless you are a part

of the population that he is OK

0:28:490:28:53

with, he thinks you're

a second-class citizen.

0:28:530:28:58

Roy Moore is one of half a dozen

candidates for Senate now backed

0:28:580:29:01

by the former White House strategist

Steve Bannon, the man nicknamed

0:29:010:29:04

the brain behind Trump,

the rump of the ideological right.

0:29:040:29:08

And you're going to see in state

after state after state,

0:29:080:29:11

people who follow the model

of Judge Moore that do not need

0:29:110:29:14

to raise money from the elites,

from the crony capitalists,

0:29:140:29:17

from the fat cats in Washington, DC,

New York City and Silicon Valley.

0:29:170:29:27

A year on from the election

of Donald Trump, we have

0:29:300:29:33

all still got a lot of figuring

out to do.

0:29:330:29:35

Has he reset politics in his image?

0:29:350:29:37

Will there be a major backlash

to his style of governing?

0:29:370:29:40

Or perhaps the question

we are in town today to ask: has

0:29:400:29:43

he and those who have helped him

to power paved the way for more

0:29:430:29:46

extreme versions of mainstream

politics than America,

0:29:460:29:48

yes, even here in the deep

South, has ever imagined?

0:29:480:29:53

Is the future of the Republican

Party now for characters

0:29:530:29:56

who will make Donald Trump himself

seem rather moderate?

0:29:560:30:06

The Alabama state symbol could be

the pick-up truck and in Roy Moore's

0:30:070:30:10

hometown of Gallant,

we stumble upon his nephew Steve,

0:30:100:30:12

whose own licence plate

tells of his twin loves,

0:30:120:30:14

tracking and Trump.

0:30:140:30:22

So do you think Trump's

draining the swamp?

0:30:220:30:24

The whole idea was that he came

to Washington to drain the swamp.

0:30:240:30:27

Do you think that's happening?

0:30:270:30:28

I do.

0:30:280:30:29

I hope it continues.

0:30:290:30:37

Who would you like

to see cleared out?

0:30:370:30:39

Anyone that doesn't

agree with Trump.

0:30:390:30:41

A dozen or so members of the Moore

family still live here.

0:30:410:30:44

But down the road, we find one

lone voice of dissent.

0:30:440:30:48

Charles, a long-time military man,

reminds me that Roy Moore has twice

0:30:480:30:51

been forced to stand down

from political office.

0:30:510:30:53

He invites me in to share

his views of Alabama.

0:30:530:31:02

And then his views of Alabama.

0:31:020:31:03

I've travelled a lot.

0:31:030:31:04

I have spent a lot of time overseas.

0:31:040:31:06

But the opinion of most people any

distance from Alabama is that we are

0:31:060:31:10

ignored and prejudiced.

0:31:100:31:11

-- ignorant and prejudiced.

0:31:110:31:14

Most of it is justified!

0:31:140:31:15

You really believe that?

0:31:150:31:16

Yes.

0:31:160:31:17

And does he exemplify that?

0:31:170:31:18

He preys on it.

0:31:180:31:19

Now, he's well-educated in law.

0:31:190:31:20

He is a West Point graduate.

0:31:200:31:22

So he's well-educated.

0:31:220:31:30

But I think a professional

politician tells the people

0:31:300:31:32

what he thinks they want to hear.

0:31:320:31:33

And once he is in office, then he

can do, to a degree, what he wants.

0:31:330:31:41

They still like their Confederate

statues here in Dixie.

0:31:410:31:45

Moore's views may not be so wild

to those who live here.

0:31:450:31:48

Roy Moore is not a racist.

0:31:480:31:50

He is not homophobic,

and he is not someone who in any way

0:31:500:31:53

can be seen as anything less

than what we would be

0:31:530:31:56

proud of as a US Senator.

0:31:560:32:01

As we get ready to leave the deep

South, news comes of a governor

0:32:010:32:04

tour win for the Democrats

in Virginia against a moderate

0:32:040:32:06

establishment Republican.

0:32:060:32:08

Alabama will be the next big race.

0:32:080:32:10

Roy Moore is expecting an easy win.

0:32:100:32:13

So is that what the Republican Party

will look like next?

0:32:130:32:18

The work of Trump

may be almost done.

0:32:180:32:20

Steve Bannon's has barely begun.

0:32:200:32:29

I'm joined by Clarence Page

and Mica Mosbacher.

0:32:290:32:34

Clarence is a columnist

at the Chicago Tribune.

0:32:340:32:36

Mica is a Republican strategist

0:32:360:32:38

and member of the Trump 2020

advisory committee.

0:32:380:32:42

Clarence, let me start with you.

Those who voted for Trump have

0:32:420:32:50

remained loyal and like what he is

doing.

It reminds me of the early

0:32:500:32:54

days of the Obama administration,

when Obama supporters were very much

0:32:540:32:57

behind what he was doing even though

he had some opponents out there. The

0:32:570:33:04

difference is that Mr Trump has

really defied norms here in

0:33:040:33:09

Washington, to a degree where he

makes proposals and then goes to

0:33:090:33:16

Congress and this, bring me

something to sign and when they

0:33:160:33:19

don't, he blames Congress. And his

bass buys it. They believe that

0:33:190:33:24

everything that is going wrong is

somebody else's fault and Mr Trump

0:33:240:33:28

is doing the best he can and give

him time.

The difference with the

0:33:280:33:33

Obama campaign, maybe, was that

Obama promised hope. Where is he

0:33:330:33:36

made concrete promises. There was

going to be the wall, the travel

0:33:360:33:41

ban. He was going to bring back jobs

from Mexico. Do the voters who put

0:33:410:33:47

him in power mind that those things

have not materialised, and may

0:33:470:33:52

never?

Absolutely. He is already

keeping his campaign promises.

0:33:520:33:58

Firstly, his pick of Neil Gossage

for Supreme Court has satisfied his

0:33:580:34:02

Conservative base.

That was quite a

long time ago.

It was recommended to

0:34:020:34:08

him.

It was his final choice and it

resonated well with the base.

0:34:080:34:17

Additionally, he has put in place

several executive orders, many which

0:34:170:34:26

will increase the independence of

the United States, like the keystone

0:34:260:34:30

pipeline. There are prototypes right

now under way for a wall. We do have

0:34:300:34:39

to get funding through Congress, but

he is moving forward. And we cannot

0:34:390:34:43

argue about the stock market. It is

at an all-time record high.

I

0:34:430:34:48

welcome to the economy, but in

factual, tangible terms, what about

0:34:480:34:55

Obamacare, what about repealing and

replacing?

And immigration reform.

0:34:550:35:00

There is no reform. And he never

said he was going to build a bridge

0:35:000:35:05

type for a while, he said he would

build a wall.

He will and it would

0:35:050:35:10

get through Congress. As a

Republican, I will say that I, along

0:35:100:35:14

with many Republicans and Republican

donors, are extremely frustrated

0:35:140:35:18

with our do nothing Congress,

especially the Senate, and the fact

0:35:180:35:22

that we did not replace Obamacare.

But there is only so much the

0:35:220:35:28

president can do. What I feel he has

done lately which will be important

0:35:280:35:33

to this country is that he is trying

to reach across the aisle. That is

0:35:330:35:37

how you get the best legislation in

this country. If Republicans and

0:35:370:35:42

Democrats can find some area to

compromise, I think that that would

0:35:420:35:46

benefit everyone's constituents.

That is what everyone wants,

0:35:460:35:51

Clarence, triangulation.

We should

be able to work together across the

0:35:510:35:57

aisle. That has not happened, partly

because Republicans are so divided

0:35:570:36:01

among themselves. They control all

three branches of government now.

0:36:010:36:10

But no major legislation has been

passed so far this year. I don't

0:36:100:36:13

know when a president in their first

year couldn't get anything done.

0:36:130:36:18

Trump has enemies within his own

party.

Ed Gillespie lost in Virginia

0:36:180:36:28

because he was an establishment

candidates who tried to repackage

0:36:280:36:30

himself as a populist.

This was the

Republican running for governor who

0:36:300:36:37

did not endorse Trumpism and who was

then rejected today.

And he did not

0:36:370:36:42

endorse Trumpism because he knew it

was a loser in Virginia, which has

0:36:420:36:45

been a swing state that is trending

blue now. He knew he couldn't go too

0:36:450:36:49

far one way or the other, either

towards the right or too much in the

0:36:490:36:53

middle to please the base, and he

wound up getting stuck with a huge

0:36:530:36:57

loss.

He was an establishment

candidate.

Do you think a Trump

0:36:570:37:07

candidate could have won Virginia?

Probably not.

Let me look wider than

0:37:070:37:18

Virginia.

Let's look at the

candidates that Steve Bannon is

0:37:180:37:27

supporting.

You are saying there

must be a shift toward something

0:37:270:37:31

more Conservative and more

ideological than even Trump has

0:37:310:37:33

proved himself so far?

Well,

remember, this election was

0:37:330:37:38

emotional, not logical. And a lot of

it was a push against big business,

0:37:380:37:43

government as usual and the old

dinosaur establishment candidate. I

0:37:430:37:51

am a previous member of the Bush

administration. My husband was

0:37:510:37:56

secretary of commerce. I was the

ultimate establishment person, and I

0:37:560:38:00

went through a sort of 12-step

programme to realise that that was

0:38:000:38:03

not working.

But that is totally

confused. He is big business. Do you

0:38:030:38:08

like it or do you hate it?

But

here's a businessman, not

0:38:080:38:13

politician.

His problem is that he

doesn't seem to like legislating or

0:38:130:38:19

learning about legislating. He loves

the campaign, but Mr Trump hasn't

0:38:190:38:22

even read his own health care bill

which he endorses and then gets

0:38:220:38:26

angry with the Republican

legislators who don't want to go

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along with it without him engaging

in the process. That is why they

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have not got anything done on

Capitol Hill.

Thank you both very

0:38:330:38:37

much.

0:38:370:38:39

Now, when Trump won the election

a year ago, one writer,

0:38:390:38:41

Kurt Anderson, was halfway

through a book

0:38:410:38:43

that he would title Fantasyland.

0:38:430:38:45

It put the birth of fake news,

hyperbole and false claims into

0:38:450:38:47

a much wider historical context.

0:38:470:38:49

In it, he argues that America has

long been a place where renegades

0:38:490:38:52

and freaks came in search of freedom

to create their own realities.

0:38:520:39:02

It began, he suggests, with the

pilgrim fathers and the Salem witch

0:39:020:39:07

trials and goes right through to the

present day. He looks at religious

0:39:070:39:10

America and what he terms the unspun

rebooting of Christianity from

0:39:100:39:14

Moomins to charismatics. -- from

Moomins is back to charismatics. It

0:39:140:39:20

takes us through New Age quackery

and self-help practitioners to the

0:39:200:39:24

free for all era of the 1960s, where

he says liberalism run amok,

0:39:240:39:30

conspiracy theories flourished and

America believed in UFOs. And it

0:39:300:39:35

ends here in the current day.

Creationist belief, climate change

0:39:350:39:41

denial, Disneyland and a sense that

it must be true if you read it on

0:39:410:39:45

the internet. All this, he says,

helps to explain the rise and

0:39:450:39:49

acceptability of Donald Trump

himself and an America where the

0:39:490:39:54

difference between opinion and fact

is crumbling. Kurt Anderson joins us

0:39:540:40:02

now. You write that Trump, who won

the election just as the book was

0:40:020:40:10

finished, understood that a

breakdown of shared public reality

0:40:100:40:13

built upon widely accepted facts

represented an opportunity. You

0:40:130:40:19

think he appreciated the fantasyland

that you describe in that book?

I

0:40:190:40:22

don't think he would have put it in

those words, but I do think he

0:40:220:40:26

understood in some visceral sense

that now was the time, after having

0:40:260:40:29

flirted with the idea of running for

president for 30 years, that it

0:40:290:40:34

could work, that the Americans'

sense of reality versus fiction had

0:40:340:40:38

become iffy enough that he had a

chance.

That is too far-fetched.

0:40:380:40:43

Trump believes his own reality,

surely?

Yes and no. He lies, and he

0:40:430:40:48

believes. It is both. He simply has

no fixed commitment to factual

0:40:480:40:55

empirical reality. It is whatever

serves him at a given moment, like

0:40:550:40:59

the ultimate salesman that he is.

So

when you talk about the history of

0:40:590:41:03

America, what you build up is a

sense that people have been

0:41:030:41:07

following their own realities for

500 years. Some of that will sound

0:41:070:41:12

very critical of religion, very

unforgiving of faith and of people

0:41:120:41:18

being able to believe something that

is just less dictated than science.

0:41:180:41:25

I have nothing against faith and

religion as practised in Christendom

0:41:250:41:28

in most of the rest of the developed

world, including the UK, Europe,

0:41:280:41:33

Australia and the rest. It is the

extreme and extravagant religion of

0:41:330:41:38

various kinds, in which the United

States has always specialised and

0:41:380:41:43

which has made it even more

diverging from the rest of the

0:41:430:41:46

developed world today. And if that

is not bad in itself, it has led to

0:41:460:41:55

our politics, where an entire half

of the country could be persuaded

0:41:550:42:00

that climate change doesn't exist,

for instance, almost that many who

0:42:000:42:05

believe that evolution isn't real

and should be taught in public

0:42:050:42:07

schools and so on. Some of those

religious ideas and some are not,

0:42:070:42:11

but they are all about believing the

empirically unfounded and improbable

0:42:110:42:17

and untrue.

You don't arrive at a

conclusion to why America seems to

0:42:170:42:23

break the mould of being a deeply

religious country, and yet a very

0:42:230:42:28

economically successful one. We tend

to see the correlation in the other

0:42:280:42:30

direction.

Yes. We have been an

exceptional country in many ways. I

0:42:300:42:40

believe that this worked, that this

allowing a thousand flowers bloom in

0:42:400:42:44

all kinds of fantasies to be engaged

and propagated worked for several

0:42:440:42:49

hundred years because there was a

set of establishments in control. It

0:42:490:42:52

wasn't allowed to go crazy and get

out of control, whether it was in

0:42:520:43:01

religion, where the mainline

Protestant churches ruled, and in

0:43:010:43:04

the economy where, when it got

extreme, it was brought back. I

0:43:040:43:13

would say in many different ways,

starting in the 1960s and certainly

0:43:130:43:17

in the last 20 years, economically,

religiously and spiritually, we have

0:43:170:43:22

got out of control.

But what would

you change? You don't want America

0:43:220:43:25

to stop being free to think or

believe what it chooses.

No. It

0:43:250:43:31

cannot be fixed. We cannot say here

are the laws we need to pass. I

0:43:310:43:38

believe, however, that serious

people of all political stripes,

0:43:380:43:43

Conservatives as well as liberals

and everybody in between, have to

0:43:430:43:46

recommit to reality. They don't have

to give up their faith, their

0:43:460:43:54

hunches and superstitions, but we

have to have a shared set of facts

0:43:540:43:58

if we are going to have a society, a

country and an economy that

0:43:580:44:02

continues to thrive as it has.

Kurt

Anderson, thanks for coming in. That

0:44:020:44:08

is all from Washington for tonight.

We will be back with more from DC

0:44:080:44:12

over the coming nights. Kirsty is in

the chair tomorrow, but from both of

0:44:120:44:17

us here and in London, good night.

0:44:170:44:21

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