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A country in ecstasy,
as Robert Mugabe steps down. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:15 | |
He resigns, after
nearly four decades | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
at Zimbabwe's helm. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
But will it be more
of the same in Zimbabwe? | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We speak to Morgan Tsvangirai, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
the opposition leader and one-time
Prime Minister, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
who battled Mugabe
at the ballot box. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
So, like in any new birth, I think
the celebration represents a new... | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
A new feeling. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
And I think it will go
down like in 1980, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
when we got our independence,
as a very memorable occasion. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
Also tonight... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
Ahead of the budget,
the Chancellor will be dotting | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
the Is and crossing the Ts. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
But do we really need something
far, far more radical? | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
We report from Middlesborough. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
At the moment, struggling. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:02 | |
When the food runs out,
I'll start crying, and... | 0:01:02 | 0:01:09 | |
And I'll...ask my daughter -
hopefully she'll have | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
something for me. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Or my son, my eldest son. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:23 | |
And... But I ain't spending any time
on it because in the meantime, every | 0:01:24 | 0:01:35 | |
three months, a person is torn to
pieces by a crocodile in Queensland. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:41 | |
Good evening. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
When it happened, it almost
happened too quickly. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
A letter read out in parliament that
would herald the biggest | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
political change the country
has known for decades. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
And then, gently, like a ripple,
word spread until it hit | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
the streets, stopping conversations
in mid flow, starting tears - | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
unbidden, unhidden
and unembarrassed. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
Robert Mugabe no
longer rules Zimbabwe. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
That much still needs to sink in. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
Tonight we ask how this very
peaceful coup has managed to do | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
what it set out to do,
and whether Zimbabwe's next leader | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
will truly be a break
with what has gone before. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
We also get the world's first
interview after the news broke | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
with Zimbabwe's opposition leader
and one-time prime minister | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
Morgan Tsvingirai. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
All that to come, but we start,
where else, but Harare. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
Our correspondent
Shingai Nyoka is there. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
Tell us what kind of David has been
for you. It's been the most | 0:02:27 | 0:02:33 | |
extraordinary day that I can
remember since independence in 1980. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:39 | |
I was a young girl then but I
remember the celebration and the | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
euphoria, the sense that this was a
new beginning. And the scenes that I | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
have witnessed a few hours ago today
really brought back that sense, that | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
glimmer of hope, and I saw that in
the eyes of Zimbabweans who now | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
believe that after 37 years, they
now have a real sense of change. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
What do you think happens tomorrow?
Is anyone talking about that, or is | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
it just an endless party? It is an
endless party at the moment. Those | 0:03:07 | 0:03:15 | |
questions are being asked now that
President Robert Mugabe has stepped | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
down, who will take over? Everybody
knows that this stage that his | 0:03:18 | 0:03:24 | |
sacked vice president and long-time
ally Emmerson Mnangagwa will be | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
sworn in as president and that will
happen tomorrow or the day after. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:34 | |
But at this stage Zimbabweans are
saying that they want to savour the | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
moment and they don't want to think
about what will happen tomorrow. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
As you've seen, Zimbabwe
is in party mode tonight. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
What can it be
like for a leader to watch these | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
scenes of jubilation
and reflect on how happy you've | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
made your own people by going? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
Mike Thompson looks at what Zimbabwe
feels like tonight, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and what the future may now hold. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
The crowds had waited a long,
long time for the news. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:02 | |
And when it came, it was met
by an outpouring of joy | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
not seen in decades. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
After impeachment proceedings got
underway, President Robert Mugabe's | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
resignation letter was
finally read to the House. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
CHEERING | 0:04:16 | 0:04:24 | |
Outside, some found it
all too much to take in. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
I'm very happy. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
I don't have anything
to say, but I'm | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
happy with this. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:39 | |
Mugabe has... | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
I don't have any words to say now. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
37 years with one
president, is doesn't | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
make any sense. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
So this time it is a new era
for us as a nation. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
We were tired of this
man, we are so glad he | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
has gone. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
We don't want him any more. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:55 | |
And yes, today it is victory. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
It is victory in our hearts. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
It is victory for our children. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:05 | |
But how long will this euphoria
continuing coverage will the man | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
expected to replace Mugabe, his
former henchmen and vice president | 0:05:09 | 0:05:15 | |
Emmerson Mnangagwa, sweep away
oppression? Is the nation simply | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
swapping one tyrant for another? He
has some skeletons in his cupboard | 0:05:20 | 0:05:30 | |
as a former henchmen of Mugabe. But
we know he is more open to change | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
double Mugabe. He's also more open
for Western involvement. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:43 | |
Independence in 1980 promised much
under a man who seemed to value | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
democracy and human rights. As the
years went by, repression through | 0:05:46 | 0:05:53 | |
and Zimbabwe evolved into a virtual
1-party state. Only Mugabe's party, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
Zanu-PF, is allowed to win
elections. There is no room for | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
opposition at the heart of
government. Zanu-PF, but it, there | 0:06:03 | 0:06:11 | |
is no Prime Minister from anywhere
else. The first thing we will see is | 0:06:11 | 0:06:17 | |
whether there will be constitutional
amendments to allow for that. Given | 0:06:17 | 0:06:24 | |
that the figure likely to be
president initially at least has a | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
reputation as a hard man, on used to
compromise, such amendments might be | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
hard to get. But some take the view
that having finally got rid of | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
Mugabe after 37 long years, the
momentum for change is now | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
unstoppable. Politicians, they all
focus on power. But we will focus on | 0:06:41 | 0:06:49 | |
them delivering on the issues that
they promised, we will focus on | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
delivering our rights. So, it's not
going to be easy but right now, the | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
people of Zimbabwe have the
confidence to stand up for their | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
rights and to demand the right to be
respected. Few will be looking too | 0:07:01 | 0:07:09 | |
far into the future just now. In the
coming days, it is more likely to be | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
celebrations of the dawn of a new
era which many thought might never | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
come. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:24 | |
The Mugabe resignation came
by letter, in mid-afternoon. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
Just a few minutes later,
I spoke to the opposition leader, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
Morgan Tsvangirai himself. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
The MDC leader contested Mugabe
in 2008, winning more votes | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
than Mugabe in the first round. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
But when he tried to claim
the presidency, he encountered | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
widepsread violence and intimidation
by government supporters, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
and withdrew, offering instead
to power-share with Mugabe, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
which he eventually did,
with limited success. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
I began by asking Tsvangirai if it
would open the door to real | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
democracy in the country. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:58 | |
One would hope that | 0:08:03 | 0:08:11 | |
it opens a new trajectory
where people are respected and that | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
the rule of law is restored. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:21 | |
Does that mean, then,
that you will sit quietly | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
by until August 2018? | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
You won't press for free
and fair elections before | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
that date of August? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
Absolutely not. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:38 | |
My role is to ensure
that the MDC has a role to play | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
during these eight
months that are there. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:47 | |
The fact that this transition
happened internally, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Zanu-PF passing from one leader
to the next, suggests | 0:08:50 | 0:08:56 | |
the opposition, your party, the MDC,
had no role to play at all? | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Well, remember that this was not... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:05 | |
Yes, there was an internal
Zanu-PF factionalism. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:15 | |
But remember that it is
the military which intervened | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
in that faction war. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:18 | |
Does that mean that
Zanu PF is united? | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Far from it. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
What about MDC? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
You are the opposition party
and yet you have seen this | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
happen as bystanders? | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
Well, we're not the military. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
It is only the military which has
taken an interventionist role. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
So, as far as we are concerned,
our role will always be democratic. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
Do you think it was a mistake
for you to agree to support | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
the Mugabe government in 2008
after those elections? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:50 | |
You wanted to go in and be part
of that - looking back, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
was that a mistake? | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
Well, it was a strategic
intervention. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Our people were suffering
and we needed to rescue the country. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
So, it was not a mistake. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
I don't regret it at all. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
If you ask Zimbabweans, 85% of them
did not care about Mugabe, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
they cared about their welfare. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
And because of our intervention,
we were able to rescue | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Zimbabweans from a very dire
situation that existed. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:21 | |
And will you stand in the elections
in August of 2018, do you want to be | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Zimbabwe's next president? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Well, it's too early to tell. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
But definitely my party will decide
and my alliance partners | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
will decide whether I will be
a candidate or not. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
What should happen to Robert Mugabe
now, would you like to see him | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
indicted for war crimes? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
No, I don't think so. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
I think to pursue the old man
would be a futile exercise. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
I think let him go
and rest his last days. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
So, you bear him no ill will? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
No, I don't. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:02 | |
I don't have any ill will at all. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
In fact, my call for him has
always been, why don't | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
you find a dignified exit? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
That is why Zimbabweans have
been pressurising him. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
And you have claimed that this
is a victory for the Army. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Zanu-PF has said it is not a coup. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
Do you see it as a coup? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
No, but I've never said
it is a victory for the army. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
I said the army intervened. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
But the people supported them. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
I don't want to get into arguments
about was it a coup, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
was it not a coup. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
As far as the people are concerned,
it's something that was desirable | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
and maybe the means
justifies the end. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
People will look back
in years to come on this | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
day in November 2017. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
Tell them what this day means
in history, the day that | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
Robert Mugabe resigned? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
Well, I'm sure that the people
of Zimbabwe will look back | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
to this day with a hearty
degree of nostalgia. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:09 | |
Because it's something
that they have been wishing | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
for for the last five years. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
But it's been very difficult
to achieve because of the machinery | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
that has been put to prevent it. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
So, like in any new birth,
I think the celebration | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
represents a new feeling. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
And I think it will go
down like in 1980, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
when we got our independence, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
as a very memorable occasion. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
The opposition leader there saying
Mugabe should not be | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
indicted for war crimes,
and that he didn't know | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
if he would ever stand
again for President. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
So, where will the country wake up
with its collective hangover? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Will Zimbabwe seem like
a new place tomorrow? | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
Joining me now are Xavier Zavare
from Robert Mugabe's party, Zanu-PF, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
the Zimbabwean journalist
Georgina Godwin, and Miles Tendi, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
a Zimbabwean writer and academic,
who lectures at Oxford University - | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
but first our diplomatic
editor Mark Urban. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:07 | |
It does all seem incredibly peaceful
and happy, this whole transition was | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
ultimately smooth. But was it a
takeover essentially Bardiani? Well, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:25 | |
it's undoubtedly anything which
sends shudders through many of the | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
established powers that be
throughout Africa. We saw that in | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
the African Union statement that
greeted the initial move by the | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
military, very much against this
idea of the military taking power. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Many people in the region worry
about it, many people speculate | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
about Jacob Zuma in South Africa,
how much he worries about it and the | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
extent to which he tries to
influence this transition, worrying | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
about how it was going. I suppose
all you can say from the point of | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
view of somebody like Jacob Zuma is
that the very things which are | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
concerning to the opposition about
the way this is happening, in other | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
words, the crocodile Emmerson
Mnangagwa is a creature of Zanu-PF | 0:14:02 | 0:14:09 | |
and the apparatus which has
engineered that, are things which | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
will give him comfort in this
situation. Do you think this is easy | 0:14:12 | 0:14:18 | |
for the international community, is
there one clear line in terms of how | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
they respond to this now? Well, a
fair bit of emphasis being put by | 0:14:22 | 0:14:28 | |
foreign ministries around the world
on the need for a move towards free | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
and fair elections, that type of
thing, the sort of thing you would | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
expect them to say just what I have
to say that in a situation like | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
this, where you've had so long under
somebody in charge who is considered | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
so undesirable and so difficult to
get along with by the international | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
community, everyone will want to
take advantage of this reset, even | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
if he doesn't prove in the long run
to be so different to President | 0:14:51 | 0:14:57 | |
Mugabe, they will want to deal with
somebody that gives them a fresh | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
chance to reset on trade, on tourism
and to take advantage of this | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
moment. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
Let's join our guests now. Georgina,
what does that mean for your life | 0:15:11 | 0:15:23 | |
now? It is extraordinary, this is
the one goal I have been working | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
towards professionally all my life.
I hardly remember a time without | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Robert Mugabe, he has influenced
every sphere of my life and it is | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
too big for words almost. Have you
spoken to family or friends back | 0:15:37 | 0:15:43 | |
home? I have and they are absolutely
elated as are my butt with a note of | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
caution and I think that is
something we all must be aware. It | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
is important for us to celebrate and
God knows we have had this coming | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
for a long time but I do think this
is our moment and we have to seize | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
the opportunity. I also think it is
incredibly important to honour the | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
people that got us to this point and
perhaps even need a second wave of | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
war veterans, to honour people in
some way because so many people have | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
suffered and the people in Zimbabwe
who did not eat today will not | 0:16:16 | 0:16:22 | |
necessarily eat tomorrow. So when
you said note of caution, what is | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
that referring to? Everyone involved
with Zanu PF in any way is somehow | 0:16:26 | 0:16:34 | |
associated with everything Robert
Mugabe did and can a leopard change | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
its spots, we do not know but there
is this window of opportunity. You | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
have the international community
watching and you have, you cannot | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
put the genie back in the box, you
have the people now who have tasted | 0:16:48 | 0:16:54 | |
freedom and the army who for once
did not have too oppressed people. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
Why should anyone in Zimbabwe now
believe that Emmerson Mnangagwa will | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
be any different to the man who he
governed alongside as vice president | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
for all those years, Xavier Zavare?
I think there is a reason to believe | 0:17:06 | 0:17:12 | |
in Emmerson Mnangagwa in the sense
that for the first time he will be | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
able to come out of the shell and be
himself. The Emmerson Mnangagwa we | 0:17:14 | 0:17:22 | |
know is very pragmatic in terms of
situations. He is also a good | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
listener in terms of everyone he
works around with. You worked, he | 0:17:27 | 0:17:33 | |
worked alongside Mugabe with the
massacres, the corruption, why would | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
he not back that government now?
Well he needs to have his own legacy | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
away from Robert Mugabe and he will
have to work very hard for that. And | 0:17:42 | 0:17:48 | |
that is a source of comfort for me
and source of belief that he will | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
want to do very well and do things
differently. Even one of the | 0:17:52 | 0:17:58 | |
challenges why he ran for his life
was this argument behind the scenes | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
that he was having with Mugabe. And
Miles, do you think that Emmerson | 0:18:02 | 0:18:08 | |
Mnangagwa then becomes in charge of
Zimbabwe or is that the army pulling | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
the strings question mark that is a
good question and I would like to | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
move beyond personalities, this was
done by the army. I call them deep | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
state, they will not go away and the
important question to ask as well, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:29 | |
when Emmerson Mnangagwa becomes
president is is he really in charge | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
or is it the Army behind the scenes.
That are running the show. You do | 0:18:32 | 0:18:38 | |
not think he called on the Army but
the Army called on him, a decision | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
that came from the military? He may
have called on the Army but the | 0:18:42 | 0:18:48 | |
military did the work. And in that
sense he owes them. While he was | 0:18:48 | 0:18:55 | |
away from the country the Army did
this. So they have a significant | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
hold of him. Is that how Zanu PF
likes to see it now, that the Army | 0:18:59 | 0:19:05 | |
can bring him in, replacing, they
may be calling the shots? I do not | 0:19:05 | 0:19:11 | |
think our defence forces would like
to operate that way. The evidence of | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
what we've seen is that they have
tried as much as they can with this | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
intervention to let the government
function, to make sure that the | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
world understands it is not a cool.
They're just helping out in a | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
difficult situation. I do not think
they would want to be seen | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
continuing being involved, they will
just go back to their barracks and | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
remain as professional as they have
always been. Do you sit back and | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
think this is a change for Zimbabwe,
using the Army in a very peaceful | 0:19:40 | 0:19:46 | |
way? It is not a coup? That language
had to be used in order not to | 0:19:46 | 0:19:55 | |
stimulate regional fight back. But I
think the Army themselves, the rank | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
and file where out there having
selfies done with citizens, those | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
are their brothers and sisters and I
think the Army now have had that | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
taste of being part of the crowd, of
all that joy and I think that cannot | 0:20:07 | 0:20:13 | |
be stopped. I also think it is
wonderful for us to be here together | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
tonight because as Morgan said in a
speech earlier today we must go | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
forward in hope and joy. And I think
the only way forward is to say some | 0:20:23 | 0:20:29 | |
terrible things happened, we
acknowledge that and we have to move | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
on and have some kind of unity. It
is interesting how little | 0:20:32 | 0:20:38 | |
recrimination is, I was amazed
speaking to Morgan Tsvangirai that | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
he did not want to talk about
indictment or imprisonment. What | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
happens now to Mugabe? I do not
think much will happen to him | 0:20:44 | 0:20:51 | |
because the people who replaced him
with the people... Essentially he | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
will be left to die an old man?
Because the people who replaced him | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
did his dirty work and if you bring
him down that would bring them down | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
as well. Are there any Mugabe
supporters left in the country | 0:21:03 | 0:21:10 | |
tonight, how does a man who has been
held in power for 37 years suddenly | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
have no wonder they're on the ground
who supports him question what it is | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
not necessary that he does not have
supporters any more because many | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
people still appreciate former
President Mugabe for what he did. Of | 0:21:23 | 0:21:31 | |
course we must accept that he also
made mistakes in his later years but | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
for what he did in the early years
of independence, the education he | 0:21:36 | 0:21:42 | |
introduced, and everything that he
did for the black majority will | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
always be remembered. But it
happened quickly, not a telling off, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
was this a fear of Grace Mugabe?
Know I think what happened, Mugabe | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
did retain significant support on
the ground but because the process | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
of his removal has been militarised,
many of the MPs who went out to cast | 0:22:01 | 0:22:09 | |
the impeachment vote were told to do
so by the Army. They were worried | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
that the wife would take over? All
these quotes like democracy is not | 0:22:13 | 0:22:19 | |
sexually transmitted and all these
placards people held up in the | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
streets. Is this a misogyny, what
kind of people can put up with a | 0:22:22 | 0:22:28 | |
dictator who commits God knows what
kind of atrocities for 30 years and | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
more and then says no to the wife?
Zanu PF is an institution and it has | 0:22:32 | 0:22:43 | |
a way of doing things and the way
the wife was now doing things is | 0:22:43 | 0:22:49 | |
contrary to what Zanu PF has always
been. Everything that the wife was | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
doing is against the principles that
we believe in as Zanu PF, against | 0:22:54 | 0:23:01 | |
the constitution of the PF itself.
And you can get away with it if you | 0:23:01 | 0:23:08 | |
are asked someone who has liberated
the country but she did not and that | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
was part of it. Thank you all very
much. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
Well, tomorrow it's
Phillip Hammond's turn to use | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
long, economicky words. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
He may choose, however,
to keep tomorrow's budget simple. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
His task is to ease austerity
with what little money | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
he has at his disposal. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
And to sound less gloomy
about Brexit than he may be feeling. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
The chancellor will announce
an education package of around | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
£177 million to promote maths skills
- part of a drive towards | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
productivity and learning -
as well as a little bit more | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
for teacher training. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
Perhaps the hardest challenge
for the government right now | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
is working out how to bring young
people, voting in their droves | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
for Corbyn at the last election,
into the Conservative fold. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
Here's Chris Cook. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:51 | |
As we've got closer and closer
to finding out what's | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
in the Chancellor's red box,
it's become clearer and clearer | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
that the space he has to wield it
has shrunk and shrunk. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:03 | |
His last budget in March was hardly
a giveaway to begin with. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
Since then, though,
his options haven't improved. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Economists worry in particular
about something that they refer | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
to as "head rooom". | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
That's the term they give
to the amount of money | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
that the Chancellor has on hand
without needing to raise taxes that | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
can be put towards spending
increases or tax cuts or coping | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
with unforeseen events. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
The problem that Philip Hammond has
going into this budget | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
is that the amount of head room
he thought he has has been | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
massively decreased. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
This former OBR economist
explains what's happened. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
The single biggest problem
that the Chancellor is facing | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
is that productivity is not growing
as fast as it once did. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:51 | |
We're not getting more efficient
at producing things and this means | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
the economy is going to grow more
slowly in the future | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
than it has in the past. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
And this means there will be less
money to spend because tax revenue | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
will be slower as well. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:02 | |
Productivity is a long-term problem. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Back in 2010 the OBR had to forecast
what they thought would happen to it | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
and so they assumed it
would just rise. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
But it didn't. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
This is where we were by late 2013. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
Productivity growth had stalled. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
And what did the OBR
forecast say then? | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
Well, it predicted productivity
growth was just around the corner. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
But it wasn't. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
This is where we thought
we were at this last March budget. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:38 | |
The forecast once again was,
it's just about to take off. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
And guess what, that was wrong, too. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:42 | |
With big consequences
for the Chancellor. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
The Chancellor has a target. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
And last time at the budget he had
about £26 billion of head room | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
against that target in the year
2020 - 2021. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Now because growth is slower,
this means he has much less head | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
room against that target,
probably only around £13 billion. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:04 | |
£13 billion of head room is a lot
of money, but it could easily be | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
eaten by future downgrades. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
And a large slug of it
could go into one public | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
spending line in particular. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
The government has already pencilled
in 2.5 billion extra cash | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
for the NHS next year. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
But that really is just to keep
in line with inflation. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
We estimate that on top
of that the NHS will | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
need another 4 billion. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
And that is to keep up
with the demand for NHS services, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
so effectively the increasing level
of patients coming in to the system. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:38 | |
Last week Simon Stephens,
the NHS England chief executive, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
called for Vote Leave's promises
of extra NHS cash to be honoured. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
By the end of the next financial
year for the NHS, March 2019, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
the United Kingdom will have left
the European Union. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
Trust in democratic politics
will not be strengthened | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
if anyone now tries to argue,
you voted Brexit partly for a better | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
funded health service,
but precisely because of Brexit, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
you now can't have one. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
Without extra money,
the health and social care system | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
faces further degradation in care
quality and waiting times. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:18 | |
But the Chancellor's slim room
for manoeuvre means it will be hard | 0:27:18 | 0:27:24 | |
for him to find very much NHS cash
without tax rises. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:30 | |
Nick Watt has had his nose
to the ground much of the week. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
What are you sniffing out? This is
one of the key moment since the | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
general election and Philip Hammond
tomorrow must reach out to those | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
under the age of 50 who preferred
label -- preferred Labour. But it | 0:27:43 | 0:27:50 | |
got off to a scrappy start, one of
the dullest press releases ever | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
previewing the budget, talking about
was all to embrace change was a | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
vastly less exciting than the quite
interesting interviews Philip | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
Hammond did at the weekend on BBC
and the Sunday Times and then two | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
hours later a more interesting press
release, talking about a £42 million | 0:28:07 | 0:28:13 | |
investment in teacher training in
deprived areas and £177 million | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
investment in the maths teaching for
the Treasury sources said that there | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
will be plums tomorrow and you heard
from Chris Cook about how the | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Chancellor has little room for
manoeuvre. There is a feeling that | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
things have looked a bit better in
the last month or so, the Eurozone | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
bouncing up which is good for the UK
and that will help tax revenues and | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
productivity which was looking
dreadful now ticking up a little | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
bit. More broadly where is he going
on spending? The key thing is this | 0:28:40 | 0:28:48 | |
head room. He had £26 billion in
March and now just below £10 | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
billion. What is interesting is that
because this is the first fiscal | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
event since the general election,
this will make in what was a change | 0:28:57 | 0:29:02 | |
at the general election so in the
general election the Tories said | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
they would balance the budget with
no deficit by the middle of the next | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
decade. Before that at the time of
the Autumn Statement it was 21, 22 | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
so what that does is give the
Chancellor another three or four | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
years to spend the difference
between what is the borrowing target | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
of 2% of national income by the end
of the decade and the balance of the | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
budget, spending the difference
between 2% and 0% for three or four | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
years. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
Budgets by their very
nature tweak and tease - | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
one constituency of people feel
a little better, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
another a little worse. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
But what if we need to radically
reshape our economy into something | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
that picks up the disenfranchised
in our society? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
Those who, bluntly put,
sometimes barely have enough to eat. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
We report tonight
from Middlesbrough, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
and from a part of that town | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
where house prices are amongst
the lowest in the country - | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
£49,000 on average in 2017,
having fallen by 47% since 2007. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:07 | |
I've lived here for 15 years. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
The area's just gone down. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
Loads of gangs round here,
and just the community, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
it's not how it used to be. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
The house prices are, like,
going down in this area. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
There's not that much
increase in wages. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:37 | |
So, people, like the general
public's buying power has gone down. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
You run out of cash,
you run out of food. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
And that's the end of it. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:54 | |
It makes me feel a bit
sad, because I know | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
I'm leaving in a week. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
And it's been my home
for, like, 14 years. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
So, I do feel like a bit
of an ending is coming, really. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
So, I've had my house up for sale
for a while, I'm wanting to move | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
because the area has gone really
downhill and is quite deprived now. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
And property, houses,
are dropping quite rapidly. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:23 | |
Well, you don't need that. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
All right, bin that. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
We've got people who are dealing
drugs on the street, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
there's a lot more different
cultured people and with different | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
morals, different... | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
Erm, nobody working,
people up all night play music loud. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
And my house has been burgled
and I don't particularly feel safe | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
any more when I live by myself
on this street. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
You don't need sun lotion. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
No, but it's brand-new that,
I don't want to bin it. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Keep it for next year. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:51 | |
It's just when she rings me at night
time and says there's | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
a fight outside the door. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:55 | |
She's scared and I just say stay
in and lock the door. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
I can't even say come
to my house because she | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
wouldn't dare go outside. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
I have a good wage, I make a lot
of extra money that either | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
gets took off me in tax. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
I also have then that increase
that the government takes | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
more off me in pension. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:11 | |
More off me in student loan. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
And all my other bills leave me
with not very much money. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
I do like to have a good life
and to do nice things | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
with my friends, to travel,
to go out for meals. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
But I can't always keep up
with everyone because I | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
just can't afford it. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
The business, it's quite
a few reasons, the corner | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
shops are going down
and down every year. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Everybody is asking
like cheaper, cheaper stuff, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
do you sell cheap bread? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:44 | |
If somebody comes in,
do you sell any cheap cigarettes? | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
When are you moving, then? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
So, I'm moving next Wednesday. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
Have you sold the house? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:50 | |
I've nearly sold it, it's under
offer, but I'm just hoping, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
because if it falls through then
I don't know what I'm going to do. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
It's very hard to sell
the properties over here. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
I've got the house over the road
and I put the lodgers in, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
I haven't received the rent
since last four months. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
That's terrible. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
And I'm struggling now. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
You can't afford it, can you? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:07 | |
No. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
Four months I haven't
received anything yet. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
I work seven days. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
And about 13 to 14 hours a day. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:20 | |
And if you count the hours
over the week or month, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
I don't have any break. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:24 | |
For years and years. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
At the end of the day I don't
even get minimum wage. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
How long can you work for 14
hours a day and all week? | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
I think nobody does. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
You can't. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
No. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
And it's only me. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
I'm constantly thinking about money,
I'm constantly doing | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
spreadsheets to work out how I'm
going to pay my bills. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
I'm always on the phone
setting up payment plans, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
asking for help with stuff. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
And I'm quite a proud person,
and I don't like that. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:05 | |
The community has
gone down, hasn't it? | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
It's not the same any more. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
I'm just hanging my coat up. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
I would never let him out at all. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
What happened the other week? | 0:34:19 | 0:34:20 | |
You said you got robbed? | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
Well, there was two bikes outside. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:35 | |
And the thieves must
have pushed the gate. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
Right. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
Does it feel safe
round here at night? | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
No. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:52 | |
When the food runs out,
I'll start crying and then | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
I'll ask my daughter,
hopefully she'll have something | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
for me, or my son. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
My eldest son. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
At the moment, struggling a lot. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:11 | |
With being on universal
credit, erm, and the way | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
they actually deal with you. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
It's all over the phone
or online, job coaches. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:26 | |
Since 2008, I lost a lot
of my family through bereavement, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
and that's what caused my
depression and anxiety. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
And I've been on a downward spiral
ever since, basically. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:45 | |
I am struggling, to be fair. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
Just love to work. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
To... | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
Just to get a better life for him. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
Erm... | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
You know, better schooling,
better whatever. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
But at the moment with me, I can't
because I have to care for him. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
I'm his carer - as well as his
parent, I'm his carer. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
So, it's very difficult. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Just want a nicer life
for my son round here. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
Well, not round here per se,
but somewhere nice. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
Nic-ER. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
Nicer environment, nicer area. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
I never ask for help,
I never have done, never will. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
But now I think it's coming to that
stage where I do need help. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
So... | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
And I need to ask for it, really. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
I worked all my life
since the age of 16. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
Erm... | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
To not work now is... | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
Basically I feel it's
the end of my life now. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
I feel like it's over. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
A lot of the time I just want to lie
down, I prefer not to wake up | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
when I go to sleep on a night. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
But I do. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:13 | |
And I'm a survivor
and I keep fighting. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
And keep going. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
But it's not nice, it's not. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
I haven't got the motivation. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:22 | |
I want to go back to work. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
I really do, because I
can't live like this. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
I don't know how people have done it
for years, I really don't. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
It's really bad. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:41 | |
Let's pick up some of those
concerns with Torsten Bell, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
from the Resolution
Foundation, a think-tank. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:52 | |
And when you look at that kind of
struggle, weather it's a woman | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
talking about food running out or
someone saying they have never had | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
to ask for help but then again I
have to now. The shopkeeper talking | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
about those 14 hour days on less
than the minimum wage - is there | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
anything the Chancellor can start to
do tomorrow that addresses trouble | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
is on that scale? Obviously, hearing
the stories brings to life some of | 0:38:10 | 0:38:16 | |
the statistics you see about the
cost of living crisis and how people | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
feel in Britain today. But the big
picture over quite some years is | 0:38:19 | 0:38:25 | |
that Britain's population as a
whole, not just the extreme end of | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
this, are in a serious living
standards squeeze the likes of which | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
none of us have seen in living
memory. And at the lower end of the | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
income distribution that is felt
very severely, people being squeezed | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
who already have very little income
and people being pushed into the | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
summer the situations we heard about
there. That is when some people say | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
this is an unprecedented period in
British history for people at the | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
heart end of that it is really
severe. Because there's so much | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
emphasis on the house-building side
of things, on Theresa May wanting to | 0:38:57 | 0:39:04 | |
be remembered as the builder and yet
if you take many parts of the | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
country, not just Middlesbrough,
house prices declining there, there | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
is even marry oversupply there. The
problem of the lack of housing is | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
very much in the south of England?
We need to be careful about that. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:21 | |
What is technically true is that we
are focusing on what will raise | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
living standards in different parts
of the country. So in Birmingham | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
it's about unemployment and a labour
market disaster. In Sheffield it's | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
low pay. In London it is acutely
housing. But let's be clear, housing | 0:39:31 | 0:39:36 | |
is a problem right across the
country. If we look at how much of | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
our income as a population we are
spending on housing, it has troubled | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
over the last 50 years. Housing is a
problem everywhere, homeownership is | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
falling in the north-east, not as
fast as it is in parts of London but | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
it is falling. And housing costs
have risen very significantly, even | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
in the north-east as a whole. What
about the whole idea of right to | 0:39:56 | 0:40:01 | |
buy, in that case? On housing the
problem has been building at least | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
since the 19th 80s and it is a
disgrace that we haven't focused on | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
that. We put up with it because
house prices were rising and we put | 0:40:08 | 0:40:16 | |
up with it because homeownership was
still high and incomes were growing. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Now, we've got falling homeownership
and incomes being squeezed. This is | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
where the government has pledged to
put their attention and their money | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
now. But the problem politically, if
you will allow, for the Chancellor | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
tomorrow, is how to pull in all
these young people that don't find | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
the Conservatives a very sexy brand
any more, if they did. And how does | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
he do that? It's not going to be
through rail cards, is it? It's not | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
going to be through... The rail
cards are no use either politically | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
or substantively. They may be a nice
thing to have. The bigger picture | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
with young people today,
substantively, is not just that they | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
can't get a house, the problem is
that their wages ask wheat in a way | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
that we've not seen, they had a 9%
pay squeeze during the financial | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
crisis, more than any other age
group. We've seen the fastest rising | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
housing costs and is now getting
less for that. Addressing that is | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
what substantively the Chancellor
needs to do, and actually that will | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
matter politically. It will show
young people that he is focusing on | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
their concerns and secondly weather
you are young or not you know that | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
this intergenerational question is a
big question facing the country. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
Grandparents and parents want these
problems are addressed for the sake | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
of the country not just for the sake
of the young people. These are not | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
normal times. Is there anything
you're expecting the Chancellor to | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
do tomorrow? Will it be rolling back
Universal Credit, will it be | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
something dramatic, pushing that
whole idea away, which will...? What | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
the Chancellor should do is get on
with building houses. He should | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
reverse the cuts to benefits which
are coming over the next few years | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
which will hit young people in their
30s just as they are entering the | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
expensive early childcare phase of
their lives. That might start | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
looking like we're focusing on real
problems. Thank you very much for | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
coming in. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
That's all we've got time for this
evening, but before we go, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
seasoned Newsnight viewers will know
that some of the most effective | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
politicians are able to pivot,
seamlessly, from the topic you ask | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
them about to the topic
they really want to talk about. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
Thatcher, Mandelson,
Clegg, they all did it. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:23 | |
But we think Australian MP
Bob Katter might have taken it a bit | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
far when asked about the country's
recent referendum on equal marriage. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
Good night. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
Final, final observation
on the same-sex marriage | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
debate from Bob Katter. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
I mean, you know, people
are entitled to their sexual | 0:42:36 | 0:42:42 | |
proclivities, you know! | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
I mean, let there be
a thousand blossoms bloom, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
as far as I'm concerned! | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
But I ain't spending any time on it,
because in the meantime, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
every three months, a person is torn
to pieces by a crocodile | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
in North Queensland. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
in North Queensland. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:57 |