15/02/2018 Newsnight

The government calls out Russia,

blaming the Kremlin for a reckless

and destructive cyber

attack on Ukraine which was designed

to spread across Europe.

Are we already engaged

in a cyber war with Russia,

and how dangerous could it get?

It's deniable, it's semipublic, it

includes the publicity. The fact I'm

speaking about this right now is

probably in the interest of the

attacker because it scares people,

so if undermining deterrence and

it's very difficult to respond to.

We'll be debating

whether the Russian threat

is real or imagined.

The FBI was warned that

Nikolas Cruz, charged with 17 counts

of premeditated murder,

was potentially a school shooter

after he left a comment on YouTube.

He was a member of a white

supremacist group.

The Parkland Florida massacre left

17 dead and many more injured.

If Cruz was such a threat, why

was he able to hide in plain sight

and wield a deadly semi-automatic

assault weapon?

I'll be joined by two

people, each of whom has a personal

close connection with a massacre,

one at Virginia Tech,

the other Columbine.

Headlines today screaming the danger

of this food and that -

all the cause of cancer -

but is the constant

bombardment believable?

We try to separate the science

from the static noise.

And a special preview of a brand

new work by the dancer

and choreographer Akram Khan,

the final solo performance

by the man who invented his

own language of dance.

Good evening.

The UK government took the unusual

step today of directly condemning

Russia for a cyber attack,

publicly blaming the Russian

government for spreading a virus

which swept across Europe last June.

The so-called Notpetya

attack hit companies,

including British ones,

after initially targeting Ukraine.

This unprecedented public

accusation against the Kremlin

by the government also includes

the threat of "imposing

costs on those who would

seek to do us harm."

You'll remember that this follows

last month's irregular

and apparently unsanctioned

statement by the Defence Secretary

Gavin Williamson that a Russian

cyber attack could cause "thousands

and thousands" of deaths

by crippling energy supplies.

Tomorrow, the annual

international security

conference opens in Munich -

a conference that Theresa May

will be addressing -

where the Kremlin will be

on the radar.

So is Russian cyber warfare now

a clear and present danger to us?

Here's our Technology

Editor, David Grossman.

Conflict on rush-hour's doorstep.

The war in Ukraine is brutal but on

the.

However, Russia is doing

battle using other means.

Ukraine and Russia are obviously

in a situation that

can only be described as war

and open conflict and the digital

attack, cyber attack

component plays a major role.

We've seen the boundary,

you know, attacking the

electric grid in the Ukraine.

We've seen several

major attacks there.

We've seen high powered pieces

of attack tools that haven't been

tested anywhere else.

The concern is that Ukraine

is a test-bed for cyber attacks that

and US targets later on.

Nato defence ministers

were in Brussels today for a summit,

trying to deal with a world

where the line

between war and peace is so blurred,

partly because attacks are deniable.

The UK Defence Minister Gavin

Williamson though today explicitly

accused the Russian government

of waging cyber war on the West.

It's no longer about

the warfare that

we'll fight on land, sea and air.

Increasingly, it's about in

cyber and space as well.

So Nato has to adapt.

This raid by Ukraine cyber crime

unit on a computer company

last summer was an attempt to shut

down a virus called Notpetya.

The company was an unwitting host

but the virus spread around its

clients shutting down companies all

over Europe including in the UK and

it was this attack that the UK has

now specifically blamed Russia four.

It was an attack that

destroyed all data on

10% of Ukraine's computers.

Ukraine is a country

of 40 million people.

10% of all its computers

were damaged.

The attack spread extremely quickly,

globally, probably cost the

world economy something

beyond £1 billion.

It was so bad.

Just to make it real for people, it

affected the production of, done is

for two weeks, it affected shipping

of cookies, it nearly broke down

worldwide shipping. It was huge.

At the time, many

suspected Russia but to

publicly accuse them

of mounting the Notpetya

attack is, according

to

observers, a significant

development.

The CIA made a similar statement in

January and the Ukraine did at the

time.

It's one time to identify the

Russian government as a cyber

aggressor, it is another thing to do

something about it. It is unclear

what the statement today was meant

to do, other than set the scene

ahead of the conference in Brussels,

and to send a strong message to

Moscow. However, there have been

many similar messages in recent

months with no effect. The problem

with a threat like this is that it's

not just about protecting computers

and networks, but damage is also

seen in a country's morale.

These

can cause a minor harm but they are

implemented for political attack

because they get a significant

amount of press coverage and

therefore have, if you like, a bit

of a terrorising effect. It's an

effective psychological tool, it's

almost psychological warfare we are

looking at here.

The ease with which

a government can use computers to

strike its adversaries without

warning or reckoning makes the world

a more tense place. Russia responded

to the UK's government 's accusation

with a predictable denial, the strip

posted the strong message has been

sent and apparently ignored -- the

supposedly strong message has been

sent and apparently ignored.

David Grossman there.

We did ask to speak

to the Russian Government -

they didn't give us anyone

to interview, but the Russian

embassy did say that there was no

evidence that they held any

responsibility for the Notpetya

cyber attack, and that

the accusations made

by the British Government were part

of a continuing campaign aimed

at the stigmatisation of Russia.

We also asked the British government

under the programme but they

declined as well.

Joining me now is Dmitry Linnik,

former Head of Radio Russia's London

bureau, Edward Lucas,

journalist and author

of The New Cold War: Putin's Threat

to Russia and the West and,

from Munich, Laura Galante,

a cyber security expert and senior

fellow at the Atlantic Council

international affairs thinktank.

Good evening to you all. If I could

begin with you, Laura, does rusher

have the capability to do a lot of

cyber damage or a lot of minor harm?

We've seen Russia undertake a

variety of different operations from

standard espionage conducted over

cyber operations all the way up to

critical infrastructure attacks and

then the most recent Notpetya

attack, which focused on the

financial sector and then had a lot

of externalities, which we have just

covered. Russia is taking the

approach of ratcheting up the types

of operations they are willing to

undertake in cyberspace and they've

had both the technical and

psychological component.

Let's talk

about the technical component. But

damage can actually do? -- what

damage can actually do?

Let's take

the Ukraine example of the power

grid going down in 2015 and again in

2016. With both of those operations,

large parts of the country's power

grid went down and black energy, the

malware behind this, was traced back

to likely be Russia military and

what's been difficult to see in the

West in terms of the capability that

Russia has here is the lack of 100%

certainty around how these tools are

deployed. And what we are constantly

faced with is this legalistic

tendency that we naturally have in

the West to want to say, here is the

100% level of factual evidence that

leads to this. But cyber doesn't

lend itself to that type of

analysis. We can look at the

evidence, who is likely to benefit

from this, what sort of evidence in

the malware and the tools is

available to explain who's behind it

and then what was the effect that is

achieved? With the Ukrainian power

grid attacks, the effect was both

psychological in the Ukraine and

also a warning shot to the West to

say that critical infrastructure,

this is something that will be

targeted.

Thank you very much there.

Dmitri, if it wasn't rusher, who was

it?

I've no idea. I have no evidence

to suggest that Russia didn't do it.

But I would like evidence as Laura

just said to support these very

serious accusations.

But as Laura

said, in cyber warfare, that is

harder to do but the black energy

malware was traced back to the

Russian military?

Whether it was or

wasn't, I'm not a computer expert,

but I have read the use of computer

experts who disagreed with that. But

as Laura suggested, on the balance

of probabilities, is that how we lob

accusations at Russia, at the

Kremlin, at the country? I don't

think that's the right way to go

about it.

Do you think then that the

British government has been reckless

itself then in making that public

accusation today?

Absolutely. I

think the British government in

particular has been accusing Russia

over the years of the most

ridiculous things like Russia is a

threat to Nato, a country that

spends 10% of the Nato budget.

Edward Lucas, it plays into the idea

that we think of Russia in a Cold

War context, a pariah and so-so, but

as Dmitry Sirs and Laura said, there

isn't a bout of evidence, it is

about probability?

Not necessarily,

no. Estonia had its power crippled

and a senior executives admitted

that it was guys in his office that

had carried it out. Admittedly, it

was a fairly crude attack.

It was a

psychological attack as well?

It

was, and Putin has made jokes about

attacks on the American system,

saying if it wasn't as it was

somebody like us. You have to be

careful.

The contributor in the film

was saying that even discussing this

is the destabilising thing the

attacker once in setting this off.

Is this about flexing muscles?

As

Dmitry rightly pointed out, Russia

is a lot weaker than the West when

the West is united. Russia's main

aim is to play divide and rule and

use what in the jargon is called

asymmetric weapons, weapons that a

weak country can use quite

successfully against the strong one

and cyber is a good example of that.

Laura, on the psychological impact

of this, why would Vladimir Putin

want to be seen or even be talked

about as the aggressor?

Putin has

two goals here and his primary

audience is internal, it's domestic.

He has two figure out how to keep

popularity and keep his position.

And part of that requires showing

Russia's strength. If Russia can

chip away at Western alliances, as

Ed is referring to, if it can chip

away at the sense that the West is

the place where freedom of speech

and freedom of press have created

these liberal democracies that RE

model, then Putin wins internally.

And Putin is very aware that the end

of the Soviet Union in his mind is

based on the attraction of the West

and in his mind, the false

attraction of the West. The more

he's able to chip away at what the

West from a Russian population the

more his strength will be in showing

Russia's ability to go toe to toe

with the West. Whether that is in

the last elections, though there is

a lot of evidence that the Russian

military were behind that, this is

how Putin is able to show his people

that Russia is ten feet tall and

able to project power on the

international stage.

Dmitry, does it

make you think well of Putin

domestically and abroad when he

spoken about in these terms?

That's

a very novel approach to the problem

I have just heard from Laura. That's

not the way it is played out in

Russia all viewed in Russia. We are

talking about a bigger problem. For

more than ten years the West has

been manufacturing an enemy out of

Russia and as you...

But my point

is, who else has two game from an

attack on Ukraine?

This is

speculative, but it's those that

undermined the two-way relationship

between Europe and Russia, between

the West and Russia.

Edward, we are

not talking about clean hands when

it comes to America. If Russia is

that the game, others are at the

game, Americans and the Chinese?

Yes, all countries engage in

espionage and certainly America ran

a targeted attack on the Iranian

nuclear programme. Many people would

say that was a much better way than

trying to bomb Iran's nuclear

programme. The point here is that

Russia's cyber weapons are being

deployed in a reckless way. If they

were simply spying...

Is he right

that it could kill thousands if they

attack the energy system?

If the

power grid shutdown in Britain,

there would be terrible disruption,

probably people would die. I

actually think the American power

grid is more vulnerable than the

British one because it's less

resilient. The fundamental point

here is that Russia is showing its

medals -- muscles and we don't

really have an answer. We could do

really, as we should be seizing

money.

Thank you very much indeed.

Donald Trump said today that "no

child should be in danger

in an American school."

So why was the 19-year-old,

Nikolas Cruz, who had links

with a white supremicist group

and had been flagged to the FBI

as a potential risk,

able to get into the school

which had expelled him,

and allegedly massacre 17 people

with an assault weapon?

The US President said today that

"we are committed to working

with local leaders to tackle

the difficult issue of mental

health", reminding people that

in February last year Donald Trump

signed a law revoking an Obama era

regulatory initiative that made it

harder for people with a mental

illness to buy a gun.

The Parkland school shooting

in Florida is the 18th incident this

year at an American school

where a weapon has been discharged.

In the era of mobile phone

technology, students recorded

the aftermath of the deadly shooting

at the school in an affluent town

of 30,000 an hour from Miami.

Police, police.

Put your phones away.

Put your phones away.

In a cruel twist, the school

was reportedly planning an active

shooter drill in just a few weeks...

Across the US television

networks, since Columbine

and Sandy Hook, school shootings

have made far too many headlines.

The president made his early

response on Twitter.

So many signs that the

Florida shooter was

mentally disturbed, even expelled

from school for bad and erratic

behaviour.

Later, Donald Trump made

a television appeal directly to

children in America but made

no mention of guns.

To every parent, teacher

and child who is hurting so

badly, we are here for you, whatever

you need, whatever we can do to ease

your pain.

We are all joined together

as one American family and

your suffering is our burden also.

The news that the FBI were warned

that orphan Nikolas Cruz could be

dangerous, the fact

that he was a member of a white

nationalist group and that

apparently he was not

allowed on campus wearing a backpack

all point to a lack of any

co-ordinated investigation

into a clearly disturbed individual.

Law enforcement agents say that Cruz

bought a semiautomatic

assault weapon legally a year ago.

AR15-style weapons have been used

in several school massacres.

They're the consumer

version of the M-16 and

there are 8 million of them

in American hands, but will there be

any appetite in the White House

to outlaw the weapon that has killed

so many schoolchildren?

Rather than debate the rights

and wrongs of US gun laws again,

instead, we're going to talk

to two people intimately

and directly involved in two

prior mass shootings.

Joining me from Denver

is Tom Mauser, the father

of a victim of the 1999 Columbine

massacre, and in Blacksburg

the author Lucinda Roy,

who is a professor at

Virginia Tech University

where she taught the gunman

responsible for the 2007 shooting.

Thank you both very much for joining

us tonight.

First of all, Tom

Mauser, I imagine every day is a

hard day that doesn't make it worse

when you are reminded by yet another

shooting in a school?

Absolutely. It

takes you back to that day and you

can just imagine what those parents

are going through because you went

through it as well.

And when you

look at the profile of Nikolas Cruz,

orphaned, I gather he recently lost

his mother. Disruptive, expelled

from school, apparently not a road

in the area and even backpack, on

the YouTube saying he wanted to be a

professional school shooter. It must

break your heart that nothing was

able to be done to stop him?

That is

right. He fits the profile. This is

the profile of someone who is

troubled and dangerous and yet we

did nothing about it.

What do you

think is the problem, a lack of

coordination, a lack of clear, a

lack of concern about what has

happened previously in order to try

to make sure it doesn't happen

again?

Yeah, I think there is a lack

of coordination, in some cases

between the police and the schools

and other organisations that need to

know what is going on. And is also a

sense of there is nothing we can do

it anyway. Because it could affect

his rights. And as a result we are

paralysed and we have law

enforcement to feel there is not

much they can do about cases like

this, to stop it but that's not

true.

Your son Daniel was so cruelly

killed, I wonder what parents of

calling -- Columbine did to make

sure it never happened again and I

wonder if eventually it just fell on

deaf ears?

I think some changes were

made, certainly law enforcement

learned they had to go into the

schools against an active shooter,

not just wait outside like they did

at Columbine. Schools are more

prepared for these attacks. But in

terms of stopping them and keeping

guns away from people who make these

attacks, no, very little has been

done.

Yet we have President Trump

speaking directly to the children of

America saying he will make school

safe but no talk of guns. The White

House which presumably does not want

to change the right to bear arms.

That's right. The president made it

into that office with a lot of

support from the National Rifle

Association. He is not going to

speak badly about guns and so long

as we are not speaking of guns as

part of this issue we won't get

anywhere.

Thank you very much...

Sorry, I want to turn it to Lucinda

Roy. You taught the man who went on

to kill 32 people at Virginia Tech,

Seung-Hui Cho. You taught him and

you had fears and worries, what

happened?

I reported the student to

a number of different entities at

the University including law

enforcement and Dean of students and

so on because I knew it was very

difficult for there to be consensus

about what needs to be done so I

always tried to make sure I got as

many people involved as possible.

But take us through why you were so

concerned about the student.

This

was a student who was 23, 22 years

old, he had not spoken much since he

was two years old. He suffered from

something called selective mutism

which meant he did not speak out

loud often in social situations but

he also seemed very angry, and he

wrote an angry poem about class and

I did not think it was safe to leave

him in the class. The only option I

had was to try to work with myself

which is what I did. But things have

changed that time. For the most part

you can get help for students but

the trouble is you can still only

get it for a couple of days off them

and then they can come back to the

classroom because there is not

enough support for mental health and

not enough funds for it. So unless

we try to look at that as well as

the gun issue we will still be in

trouble.

I can see the Tom Mauser is

nodding in agreement with you. You

have a situation Lucinda Roy where

you have a student who kills 32

people and the drama and the whole

college must be horrific, yet I

imagine if you debate the right to

have a gun and number of students in

the university would still say we

believe it is the American way and

part of identity, so you have that

terrible dilemma?

Many of the

students did lobby for guns and

wanted to have the right to bring

guns to campus so they could defend

themselves. In fact to the NRA tries

to stoke that kind of thing as much

as possible. It can be difficult to

try to get some communication

through the noise and make sure

people understand as long as America

is in denial it will keep

slaughtering its children which is

exactly what is happening.

What

happens with each one, after

Columbine happened, after Sandy

Hook, everybody says this will be

the tipping point, this will be the

one which kick-starts a change in

American culture and it never

happens. I wonder if you think there

might be a generational change, that

some of the children, social media

as well, seeing these terrible

massacres, might adopt a different

attitude going forward, what do you

think?

That is true, I go around the

country talking about troubled

students and campus safety and one

thing I have understood is that this

is the first lockdown generation.

It's so ridiculous that adults still

think they cannot talk with young

people about this because young

people live it every day and they

are incredibly brave and they know

something needs to be done because

they are living in classes that are

terrorist sites so we have to do

something. What is inspiring is to

see how many young people are coming

forward to make sure things will

change.

Let me put that to you Tom

do you notice a sea change in the

younger generation, the generation

wench went to the horror of

Columbine?

I do see that, especially

young people are asking and should

be asking is this the kind of world

I want to live in? The gun lobby in

America is seeing the only way to be

safest to have more guns, teachers

with guns, people carrying concealed

weapons, openly carrying weapons,

it's the only way to be safe. I

think they are asking themselves

that question, is this the country

we want to live in?

Thank you both

very much.

Later in the programme

we preview Akram Khan's

final solo performance.

This soldier is formerly a dancer.

That's the character I'm playing.

He's presenting a classical recital,

Indian classical dance recital.

But first, we're constantly

bombarded with headlines about

what does or doesn't cause cancer.

In the last year alone

we've been told that:

Hot tea - causes cancer.

Bacon - causes cancer.

Potatoes - prevent cancer.

Flip flops - cause cancer.

And coffee and alcohol both

prevent and cause cancer

The latest of these

warnings came today.

'Ultra' or highly-processed foods

like mass-produced breads,

chocolate bars, sweets,

fizzy drinks, chicken nuggets

and instant soups and noodles

are pushing up cancer rates,

we were told.

What are we to make of all this?

Are we to heed the warnings,

or take it all with a pinch of salt?

Joining me now in the studio

is Deborah Ashby, the incoming

president of the Royal Statistical

Society and Head of the School

of Public Health at

Imperial College London.

Thank you for joining us, what do

you think when you see those

headlines?

My heart sank because I

thought here is another good study

that we need being completely

overinterpreted.

But you think we

need good studies and there were

nuggets in that study, not chicken

nuggets obviously?

We absolutely

need studies because it's reasonable

to try to explore what about our

diet might lead to cancers are heart

disease or anything else. We cannot

do experiments where we get people

to do one rather than the other so

we collect data on people, observe

what they are doing. It's the best

way we've got to get a handle on it.

But to then take that and say that

causes cancer you should stop eating

that causes panic or people say I

don't believe any of it.

That is the

danger. I wonder if you can take

that right back to say, you cannot

say something causes cancer, but

when you look at tobacco, was that

moment when you finally were able to

break through?

That is a good

example because it first observed

that lung cancer rates were going up

and people started to say what was

it about them, what other changes

which are going on? There was an

observational study of doctors,

looking at their smoking habits and

we began to observe that tobacco was

linked to cancer. It took a long

time to follow that through and

clearly understand the size of the

problem, let alone burrow down and

see which chemicals are causing it.

It takes decades to go from that

first observation to get the truth.

There are things is not causing

cancer then causing the diseases

which lead to other things,

trans-and sugars for example. It's

not that the jury is out and sugar,

sugar is just bad, is that right?

I

don't know that evidence terribly

well myself but there are

observational studies and sugar has

benefits in some ways, but it is

probably fairly empty but it is the

observational studies which help us

burrow down. For something like

smoking and cancer it's a huge

effect so we can see it early and

get to the bottom of it. Other

things were looking at a relatively

subtle and that is why it takes

longer.

It is interesting, so much

work done in Cancer Research and I

wonder if you would ever again with

anything be able to have a moment

like the tobacco moment?

I think on

that there was

that there was not one moment where

it suddenly fell into place. People

looked at it and looked at the

studies, people who smoke may also

drink, how do you pick which one of

those it is? I think it's a slower

crawl of evidence, each study is a

brick on the wall and it's not one

moment where you think are half

so

if you are a lay person and not able

to read the statistical data, what

are you to believe and what did you

make of it and what you to do?

First

thing I think look beyond the

headlines. The headlines are often a

brief snippet to get you to read it

and sometimes the over egged it. The

first thing is read, a lot of the

journalism today has been good,

talking about the caveats. If you're

not sure what to do go to a

reputable charities, Cancer Research

UK, NHS advice gives good stuff.

They will have looked that the sum

total of the evidence and thought

about it and thought what do we know

and what is the best advice? But do

not react sharply to one study.

Thank you very much indeed.

Akram Khan is an award-winning

choreographer and dancer,

one of the most exciting talents

working in the dance world today.

Newsnight's had privileged

access to his latest show,

Xenos which gets its world premiere

in Athens next week.

In May it will have

its British equivalent

at London's Sadlers Wells.

Xenos is a milestone for Akram Khan

- he'll retire from full length solo

performing after it.

With the work still in development,

he gave Katie Razzall his insights

into the creative process

and much more.

We are still developing material.

And the way I create sometimes

is I create a whole load

of crap and within that,

there's some good stuff,

but you still create it and then

you start to replace the crap

with good stuff.

So...

Otherwise you don't begin anywhere.

Let's get the structure and at least

we have some kind of spine,

some kind of journey that goes

from A to Z and then

we flesh out the dance.

And that's what you're doing now?

That's what we're doing now.

Akram Khan's methods

are worth a listen.

For almost two decades,

this dancer and choreographer has

created some of this country's

most imaginative works.

Newsnight had early sight

of his latest, Xenos,

as it was evolving in a rehearsal

space in central London.

It will be Khan's last ever

full-length solo performance.

The heart of Xenos is really

following this story of this Indian

soldier who fought for the Brits.

It's the very early scene before

he gets taken into war.

This soldier is formally a dancer

and that's the character I'm playing

and he is presenting a classical

recital, Indian

classical dance recital.

4 million men from Britain's

colonies fought in World War I and

in this centenary year,

Khan is honouring their often

forgotten stories.

Xenos also feels a political work,

which speaks to his

view of Britain now.

Xenos is a Greek word which means

stranger or foreigner and of course

it then expands into xenophobia,

the word xenophobia.

It's a symptom that was there before

the First World War.

It was the same symptom before

the Second World War.

And that symptom's returned.

And it's quite frightening,

to be honest with you,

and so I'm in a place where I wanted

to explore what I'm feeling,

what a stranger feels like.

You know, I was born

and brought up in London.

I never really felt that much

a foreigner or a stranger.

I somehow felt more of a foreigner

in Bangladesh when I used to return

back for wedding parties

or somebody's birth

or somebody's death.

My parents would take me back

and I felt very British, somehow.

And here, there was a period

during the 80s and 90s

when I was working at my dad's

restaurant as a waiter

and we faced some racism.

I feel very...

I feel very brown right now.

I never thought about colour before.

Is that because of direct things

that have happened to you or is it

a feeling about a changing sense

of our country?

I think it's not a direct

feeling to me, towards me,

but it's this feeling of being brown

is really more about the way

the country's being led,

our country's being led.

With Brexit.

It's all building walls again.

The reason for why perhaps

consciously Xenos came about, this

piece, was because of my reaction

to what is happening.

Akram Khan's a storyteller at heart,

his chosen vehicle a unique blend

of contemporary and Indian dance.

Do you even know what it is to be a

man?

He won an Olivier award

for this work, Desh,

an exploration of his ancestral

homeland in Bangladesh and his

relationship with his father.

His show Dust graced

Glastonbury's Pyramid stage and Khan

himself performed at the Olympic

opening ceremony with Emile Sande.

Pushing dance into new realms,

he collaborated with artist

Anish Kapoor for this show

Cash and others.

The likes of dancer Sylvie Guillem,

actress Juliette Binoche

and sculptor Anthony Gormley have

also joined forces with Khan.

At the age of 43, the physical

rigours of dancing are taking

their toll but when he started out,

it was the only way

he could express himself.

I was always afraid of talking

because I grew up in a society,

a Bangladeshi community,

that was highly driven

in an academic sense.

They all turned out, all my friends

turned out to be doctors, dentists

for some reason, lawyers, engineers.

I couldn't fit into my community in

that way because I felt that

whenever I spoke, it would just

sounds silly. I won a competition at

school, a disco competition, and it

was the first time that people in my

class, the students in my class knew

my name. And people seemed to listen

and suddenly people went, oh, well

done for winning the competition. I

saw you doing Michael Jackson or

5-star.

Do you feel you're at that

stage? This is your last full-length

solo performance.

I'm looking

downhill now, absolutely.

Physically?

Physically it's taken

its toll, and so I'm very emotional

about this transition. I think most

dancers would be. I'm sure they are.

Is it sadness or more complicated

than that?

I think it's much more

complex than that because this is,

you know, my body's been my voice

and my strength. That's the way I

communicate.

from February 21st.

-- And you can see Xenos

performed at Sadlers Wells

from February 21st.

Now, we want you to sleep well

tonight but tomorrow's headlines are

not going to help with that. If

those two went as bad as they could

get, on the front page of The Times,

shampoo is as bad a health risk as

exhaust fumes.

That's all for this evening -

but before we go, it's been 20 years

since the Angel of the North first

spread its wings over Gateshead.

Given its iconic status now,

it's easy to forget that at the time

of its construction,

it wasn't without its troubles -

engineering difficulties

and some local opposition.

We thought it was as good

a reason as any to show

Sir Anthony Gormley's steel totem.

Good night.

Start song at last

My lonely days are over. And life is

like a song.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

At last.