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Thought you'd settle
in for a nice warm, cosy watch | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
with Newsnight this evening? | 0:00:08 | 0:00:09 | |
Well, we're reporting on: | 0:00:09 | 0:00:10 | |
Democracy in Russia... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
Brexit! | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
And this... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Tonight, Gabriel Gatehouse follows
the Russian presidential race | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
with Opposition candidate Ksenia
Sobchak. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:23 | |
It's a fake election. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
It's a fake election? | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
Yes, I'm always telling that. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
But is everything quite as it seems? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:40 | |
Could it be that Ksenia Sobchak
is doing the Kremlin's bidding? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:52 | |
Also tonight, John Major today
called for a free vote in Parliament | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
on Brexit, with the possibility
of a second referendum. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
It's fair to say Brexiteers
are not impressed. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
I think generally a good idea for
previous Prime Ministers, whatever | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
their views on either side of this
argument or any argument... | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
Normally, if you haven't got
anything positive to say, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
probably best to keep quiet. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:15 | |
And did we used to be better
at dealing with this? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
Good evening. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:33 | |
From Syria, to cyber warfare,
to the American Presidency, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
to energy supply - if you think
the Russian Presidential election | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
doesn't have an impact
on our lives, think again. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
Tonight, an extraordinary film ahead
of next month's vote. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Tomorrow, Vladimir Putin
delivers his annual address | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
to the Russian parliament and other
members of the Russian | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
political elite. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
The speech is likely to contain
a slew of spending promises, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
but even if he feels the need to go
a-wooing, there's little | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
doubt that he'll be
the man delivering them | 0:01:56 | 0:02:03 | |
after the election. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
The first round is in
less than three weeks, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
and without some seismic
upset, Putin will win | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
his second consecutive
term, and fourth term overall. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
In a race where at least one
contender, Opposition | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
leader Alexei Navalny has been
barred from participating, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
why would anyone risk
all to challenge Vladimir Putin? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Ksenia Sobchak is a former
Russian socialite turned | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
Opposition journalist. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
She's now running for
the Russian presidency. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
But many opposition supporters say
she's a fake candidate, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
running a no-hope race to boost
the Kremlin's | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
democratic credentials. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
She herself admits she has
no chance of winning. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
But take a deeper look,
and her candidacy in fact reveals | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
much about contemporary Russia. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Gabriel Gatehouse joined
Ksenia Sobchak on the campaign trail | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
and found a twisted tale
of intrigue, power struggles | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
and family loyalties,
in a country where nothing | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
is as simple as it first appears. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
In a Moscow nightclub,
the Opposition candidate | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
makes her pitch to the capital's
cultural elite. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
Russian democracy is a strange
and sometimes dangerous beast. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:59 | |
It's a fake election. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
It's a fake election? | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
Yes, I'm always telling that. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
Explain what you mean. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:06 | |
I mean that like in a casino,
where the winner's always the house, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
in Russian elections,
the winner's always on Putin's side. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
So I'm taking part in the elections
not to win, I have no | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
illusions about that. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:20 | |
I'm taking part to be heard. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Once upon a time, in the capital
of the Tsars, a girl was born | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
with a silver spoon in her mouth. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
When the Communist empire collapsed,
the chaotic transition to capitalism | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
produced a sort of alchemy that
turned silver into gold - for some. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:49 | |
Ksenia Sobchak's family
was one of those few. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
Her father, one of the founders
of Russia's new democracy, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
became the mayor of St Petersburg. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
He would later die in
uncertain circumstances, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
while his former deputy,
a once unknown KGB officer, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
would become the most
powerful man in Russia. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
He was a person who gave
Putin his first job, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
I was a little girl then. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
But, by a strange twist of fate,
nearly two decades later, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
the girl with the silver spoon
would challenge the new Tsar | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
for the highest office in the land. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:35 | |
350 miles south of Moscow,
the city of Kursk. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
Ksenia Sobchak is on
the campaign trail. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
Her task here is to show
that she can speak to | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
ordinary Russians too. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
The biggest problem in Russia
is not freedom of speech, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:10 | |
unfortunately, for many people. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:11 | |
It's the poverty. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Out in the suburbs, residents
have been complaining | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
they can't get their children
into a local nursery. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:24 | |
Now she's haranguing
some local officials. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
This is pretty much the kind
of thing that Putin does | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
when he goes around the regions. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
How do you feel like people react
to you, coming - as you do - | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
from quite a privileged background? | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
You know, I don't try to be
like "I am like one of you", | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
because, well, it's not true. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
If I wear red lipstick
in my everyday time, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
why should I go without make
up to them? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
It's not kind of true,
I'm not a populist. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
So, yes, I come in a good car
and in good clothes, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
but I earned this money,
I didn't steal that. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
Corruption is a big issue in this
election for all candidates. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:41 | |
After a slightly optimistic welcome
at local campaign headquarters, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Ksenia takes things
one step further. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
In Russian politics,
there are certain red lines; | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
among them, Putin
and his inner circle. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
Are you saying Putin is corrupt? | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
I say that Putin created a system
that allows those people to get | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
funds from the state. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
Direct criticism of
Putin feels dangerous, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
and out on the streets, many people
simply don't want to know. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:34 | |
Crazy. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
As soon as you approach
people, they run away. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
But Sobchak's journey to dissidents
has been an unusual one. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
When money gets into my hands,
I spend everything. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
Clothes is where my budget stays. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
It's a lot, it's about
$3000-4000 a month. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:01 | |
I really like this sweater... | 0:09:01 | 0:09:02 | |
In the first decade of this century,
as millions of Russians struggled, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
Ksenia Sobchak transformed
herself from society rich | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
kid to TV celebrity. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:15 | |
Feeding the masses a diet of reality
television and branding | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
herself simply Ksenia. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
But then, the girl with the silver
spoon had another transformation. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
In 2011, she joined opposition
protests and was promptly carted | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
off to a police cell. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:37 | |
Alexei Navalny -
the movement's leader - | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
has long been a thorn
in the Kremlin's side. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
I was close with him all those
years, we shared many values, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
and we are still sharing
those values, I hope. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
But when Navalny was banned
from standing in this year's | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
elections, and Ksenia announced
she was running instead, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
his supporters called her a traitor. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
Ksenia, they said,
is a Kremlin agent - | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
her campaign just more reality TV. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:16 | |
Could that be true? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
Could it be that Ksenia Sobchak
is doing the Kremlin's bidding? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:29 | |
I paid a visit to her campaign
headquarters, to meet one | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
of her top advisers,
a woman well versed in the dark arts | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
of Russian politics. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
She should be, she used
to work for Putin himself. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:45 | |
Just to be clear, this is Sobchak's
own campaign adviser saying, "Yes, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
we're playing the Kremlin's game",
but in Russia, there's always more | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
than one game going on. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:21 | |
And that's exactly what Sobchak
says she's trying to do. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
If there's one thing
Ksenia understands, it's | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
the power of television. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
She's using her candidacy to talk
about issues that are taboo. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
To say this on state TV is heresy,
genuinely subversive. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Shocked presenters have resorted
to surreal measures, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
to try to drown her out. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:17 | |
But here is the conundrum,
the Kremlin controls everything. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Who gets to stand in elections,
and who gets to go on TV. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
So, what is going on? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Ksenia treads a delicate path. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
Before she set out on her journey,
the girl with the silver spoon | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
needed to get the approval
of the Tsar in the Kremlin. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
She needed wise counsel. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Alexei Venediktov is one
of Russia's most famous | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
and well-connected journalists. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:11 | |
As it happens, Ksenia
is in the process of making | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
a film about her father,
the former mayor of St Petersburg. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
Putin, who'd been his deputy,
had agreed to an interview. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
So, in September, she went
to see him in the Kremlin. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
And then in the end, I said this,
that I took this decision and I just | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
want you to know that I'm
going to challenge you, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
and he was like silent
for a second and said, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
"Well, it's your decision,
but it's also your responsibility". | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
What do you think you meant by that? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
Well, I don't want even
to think about that, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
I don't think anything nice. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
And so, the Tsar decided
to accept his challenger, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
but not everyone was happy. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Behind the facade of monolithic
power, different factions | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
struggled for control. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:13 | |
How indeed? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
How did the girl who spoke out
against the Tsar get | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
permission to run against him? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
The answer to this riddle
lies buried in the past, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
when Putin worked for Ksenia's
father in St Petersburg. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:02 | |
Or perhaps it should more accurately
be titled the 'Museum of How Russian | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
Democracy Was Poisoned at Source'. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
The name Anatoly Sobchak
stands alongside the likes | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:29 | |
The story of how the anti-Soviet
reformer chosen an obscure KGB | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
officer as his deputy is also
the story of how factions | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
from the old Soviet security
establishment have come to be | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
running Russia today. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Anatoly Sobchak was voted
out of office in 1996, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
amid allegations of corruption. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
When investigators called him
in for questioning, Putin helped | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
spirit him out of the country. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
But in Moscow, factions
were manoeuvring. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Putin was being groomed
as Yeltsin's successor. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
The battle was over who would have
sway over the new leader. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:39 | |
Then, in February 2000,
Anatoly Sobchak died | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
suddenly at the age of 62. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
At the funeral, Russia's
new president was distraught. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:50 | |
That was the first and last time
everyone saw him crying in Russia. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
This day I still remember it,
and one of the shocks | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I had was his reaction,
he was totally killed by this. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
But what killed Sobchak? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
To this day, that remains a mystery. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
The original autopsy
was inconclusive, and many | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
were suspicious, including Sobchak's
widow, Ksenia's mother. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:21 | |
Narusova had her own autopsy
performed, but instead | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
of making the results public,
she keeps locked in a safe | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
of making the results public,
she keeps them locked in a safe | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
in a secret location. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
The Kremlin today is still
a place of rival factions, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
to threaten their power is to take
a terrible risk. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
The girl with the silver spoon
is not a girl any more. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Her family history may protect her,
but only up to a point. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:57 | |
Meanwhile, back on the Sobchak
campaign trail... | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
From public transport
to pensions, to childcare - | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Ksenia listens to people's everyday
problems as if she were a real | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
candidate in a real election. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
The passengers on the Kursk trolley
bus know all about Ksenia's | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
family ties, and yet... | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
What then is the purpose
of all this elaborate theatre? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
If Ksenia is a threat to the regime,
why let her run at all? | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
I've spoken to a senior
government official, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
on condition that I couldn't
quote them by name. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
I said, "What's the point of having
an election when everyone | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
acknowledges that only
one person can win?" | 0:20:35 | 0:20:43 | |
They said, look, this is a western
invention that you have. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
We don't have a classical
democracy in Russia. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
We have what they called
a 'developing democracy'. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
The truth is, Russian democracy
has stopped developing. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
It is frozen, paralysed by two
certain facts: | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
Just as surely as Putin
will win the next election, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
he will also not be around forever. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:08 | |
Behind the walls of the Kremlin,
powerful people are playing games. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
Ksenia Sobchak is a pawn. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
Some factions are pushing
her forward, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
others want to hold her back. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
The girl with the silver
spoon knows all this, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
but she thinks the pawn might just
become a queen. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
That's my chess game. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:01 | |
I played this option
of going to elections, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
because I was thinking that
I have a chance to go through, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
because of my name,
because they underestimate me, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
because I have a past
which they can always punch at me, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
because they're not afraid of me
as much as Navalny, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
so these are my chances. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Who's a better chess
player, you or Putin? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
I don't know, we will
see in the end. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
But the end is not near,
because I'm only starting. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:31 | |
And you can see a longer version
of Gabriel Gatehouse's film | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
on Our World on the BBC
News Channel and on | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
iPlayer this weekend. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
We asked the Russian embassy
whether they'd like to comment | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
on the Russian elections,
and they told us that they weren't | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
in a position to do so. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
But they did say that they invited
all Russian citizens in the UK | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
to vote in the March 18th
presidential elections at polling | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
booths in London and Edinburgh. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
There's no sign of a ceasefire
in the Tory party over Brexit. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Today, Sir John Major made that very
clear with his depth charge | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
of a speech calling for a free vote
in Parliament on the final Brexit | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
deal with the option
of a second referendum, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
and hence the possibility
of remaining within the EU. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
Always a passionate Remainer,
the former Prime minister has denied | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
he's trying to undermine Theresa
May. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
But one of the "ultra Brexiteers"
he was taking aim at, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
Jacob Rees-Mogg, said that Major
was "all cheap comments | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
and propaganda." | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Timing is all, and of course today's
EU draft legal agreement has | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
particular resonance for Sir John,
whose dogged work on the Northern | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Ireland peace process led finally
to the Good Friday Agreement. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
The idea of a "common regulatory
area" for Ireland was rejected | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
immediately by the Prime Minister. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
So, is the man who as Prime Minister
in 1993 faced his own hell | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
at the hands of the Maastricht
rebels, now in full | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
rebellion himself? | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
One of those Maastrict rebels
is here, but first, Nick Watt. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:08 | |
Europe, a storm that has consumed
successive Conservative prime | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
ministers. When this one was bundled
out of office, she promised to keep | 0:24:16 | 0:24:22 | |
an eye on this one. When he exited
the stage, he promised to be more | 0:24:22 | 0:24:29 | |
friendly and was supportive of this
one. But today, he cast his own | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
shadow. Thank you very much and good
afternoon, everyone. The | 0:24:33 | 0:24:41 | |
mild-mannered former Prime Minister,
usually punctilious and polite to a | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
fault, if this are Theresa May on
Brexit. For the moment, our | 0:24:45 | 0:24:51 | |
self-imposed redlines have Ochs to
be government into a corner. -- have | 0:24:51 | 0:24:59 | |
boxed. They are so tilted to
ultra-Brexit opinion, that even the | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
Cabinet cannot agree them. And a
majority in both houses of | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
parliament oppose them. If
maintained in full, it will be | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
impossible to reach a favourable
trade agreement. The intervention by | 0:25:12 | 0:25:18 | |
the former Prime Minister echoed the
private fears of many remain members | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
of the Cabinet who have been
fighting their lips. An old foe who | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
clashed with the former Prime
Minister on Europe was surprised to | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
hear him call for a free vote in
parliament on Brexit. During | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
Maastricht there was such a strict
whip imposed that there were a whole | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
bunch of Conservative MPs who lost
the whip for voting against the | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
whip. That means being kicked out of
the party and parliament. They were | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
stateless, as it were. And people
were shipped in by ambulance and all | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
sorts of things, to comply with the
vote, such was the benign and kind | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
nature of the then regime, which I
do believe at that stage was led by | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
John Major. Pro-Europeans welcomed
John Major's intervention. You go | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
into a negotiation knowing he will
have to make some concessions in | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
return for gaining some. The quite
rightly pointed out that every time | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
we create a red line, Europe in turn
removes options from the table for | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
the UK. Sir John chose a significant
moment to issue his warning. A few | 0:26:18 | 0:26:27 | |
hours earlier, the EU's chief
negotiator upped the ante. By | 0:26:27 | 0:26:33 | |
tabling a series of demands that
trampled all over the UK's Brexit | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
redlines. A new European Commission
draft of the UK and EU withdrawal | 0:26:38 | 0:26:44 | |
treaty calls for "A common
regulatory area between Northern | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
Ireland and the Irish Republic if
the UK and EU failed to negotiate a | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
comprehensive free trade deal" | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
the UK and EU failed to negotiate a
comprehensive free trade deal". A | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
definitive role for the European
Court of Justice in policing the | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
withdrawal agreement. Theresa May
rejected the EU's proposals, which | 0:26:59 | 0:27:05 | |
could place a border within the UK
between Northern Ireland and Great | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
Britain. The draft legal text the
commission have published would, if | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
implement it, undermine the UK,
market and threaten constitutional | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
integrity of the UK by creating a
customs and regulatory border down | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
the Irish Sea. And no UK Prime
Minister could ever agree to it. I | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
will be making it crystal clear to
President Juncker and others that we | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
will never do so. In Downing Street
officials acknowledge Brexit | 0:27:33 | 0:27:39 | |
negotiations are entering a crunch
phase ahead of a showdown summit in | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
three weeks' time. Ministers leading
to the Brexit side believes the EU | 0:27:41 | 0:27:47 | |
is turning the screws to improve its
negotiating position. -- ministers | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
leaning. Other ministers fear that
the long drawn-out process to reach | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
a Cabinet consensus on the future
trading relationship has provided an | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
opening that the EU is exploiting.
Even a Prime Minister cocooned in | 0:28:01 | 0:28:07 | |
their security bubble cannot escape
the UK's Chile visitor from the | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
east. When the elements turn, it can
feel like the world is closing in. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:20 | |
Nick is here now. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Simulate a reaction tonight? I was
just talking to Lord Howard about | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
that John Major speech. He says it
is very sad the former Prime | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Minister cannot come to terms with
the results of the British people. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
You will remember Michael Howard had
run-ins with John Major when he was | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
a member of his Cabinet in 1990s
ovate Europe. He was labelled by | 0:28:38 | 0:28:45 | |
John major as a bustard. I asked
about feud was going and this is | 0:28:45 | 0:28:52 | |
what he said. He wasn't keen on free
votes at that time, no questions | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
about that. Indeed, this speech was
full of rich ironies. I seem to | 0:28:56 | 0:29:04 | |
remember that when he was Prime
Minister, he was quite upset about | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
the interventions of one of his
predecessors. I think he was called | 0:29:08 | 0:29:14 | |
back-seat driving in those days. The
Cabinet will meet tomorrow to | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
approve the decision by the Cabinet
subcommittee, Brexit subcommittee, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
to have the end state negotiations
pursuing an ambitious managed | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
divergences. That really is going to
set the countdown, a three-week | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
countdown to the opening council at
the end of March, where hopefully | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
guidelines will be agreed on the
future, the nature of the future | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
trading relationship. I asked
Michael Howard what he thinks of | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
that Cabinet decision we are likely
to get tomorrow and this is what he | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
had to say.
I do think it's realistic. It's | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
realistic because the European
Union, at the end of the day, wants | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
a deal, it wants a deal on goods and
services because it sells more goods | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
to us than we do to them. It uses
London not because they love us but | 0:30:03 | 0:30:09 | |
because it's the most efficient
capital market in the world and they | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
want the deal because they want our
money, and without a deal, they | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
won't get it. Michael Howard, thank
you. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:26 | |
I'm now joined by one of those
Maastricht rebels who made | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
John Major's life
in office a misery, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
Sir Bill Cash. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:32 | |
He rebelled the party whip 48 times
during the period and is now Chair | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
of the European Scrutiny Committee. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
Good evening. . I want to start with
a tweet by George Osborne. Why this | 0:30:37 | 0:30:45 | |
synthetic Brexiteer anger over the
EU tax and Irish border. Number ten | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
made key concessions in December,
they made a deal in which you all | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
cheered, in the absence of agreed
solutions UK will maintain full | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
alignment with the EU and Customs
union. Look, basically what they | 0:30:57 | 0:31:03 | |
said in this draft legal text, and
my European scrutiny committee are | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
looking at it right now, the bottom
line is what they are trying to do | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
is to create a constitutional crisis
in the UK. This is basically the EU | 0:31:11 | 0:31:18 | |
which is seeking to achieve this
hardboard, where actually they have | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
said they don't want it. We have
also said we don't want it and the | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
Irish government has said they don't
want it. Nothing synthetic about | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
this. Have actually created, trying
to create a constitutional crisis. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
The truth is, the question of the
Irish border is a key issue in | 0:31:35 | 0:31:42 | |
Brexit. It's not some kind of fake
argument. You have a situation here | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
now where you have either got a
customs union or you get a border. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
If you take for example that we've
got the Euro row at one end of | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
Ireland and the pound at the other,
you have different fiscal | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
arrangements, you've got different
corporation tax, there are | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
differences already within Ireland
north and south. Do you believe it | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
can be something like Boris a --
Johnson said, congestion charge? | 0:32:09 | 0:32:18 | |
Bertie Ahern... Nobody is prepared
to say what would be in place from | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
the British side just now, we are
still waiting. I don't agree with | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
that, we put forward proposals on
those proposals are based on the | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
fact there are technical ways of
dealing with it. Bertie Ahern | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
actually said you can turn a blind
eye to a lot of the local trade and | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
that most of this stuff... A blind
eye? There is a Swedish expert and | 0:32:40 | 0:32:47 | |
Customs who says it is perfectly
feasible to do it. Real experts were | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
saying that. The EU are trying to
dig in and over this, in order to | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
create maximum trouble for the
government. It's very, very obvious. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
Also the concern with the
government, with the goodwill of the | 0:33:01 | 0:33:08 | |
DUP, do you think what you are
fighting for is worth threatening | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
the Good Friday Agreement? It is not
threatening the Good Friday | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
Agreement. The Prime Minister today
said we are going to stand by the | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
Good Friday Agreement, everybody
will stand by it. The bottom line is | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
this is the synthetic argument, as
you said from George Osborne, author | 0:33:23 | 0:33:31 | |
of Project Fear, this is the
synthetic part of the argument which | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
is coming from the EU. There is no
need for them to do this but they | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
are doing it in order to create
maximum trouble for our | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
negotiations. By John Major's speech
today it is very clear there is no | 0:33:42 | 0:33:50 | |
harmony in the Conservative Party,
never mind conservative membership, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
all about the kind of Brexit there
should be. He famously called you | 0:33:54 | 0:34:01 | |
one | 0:34:01 | 0:34:08 | |
one knows the bastards in the
Maastricht Treaty. I thought I was | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
watching another edition of spitting
image when I saw the speech he gave | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
today. I actually think the real
problem here is that he can't come | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
to terms with the fact he has lost
the debate. Actually, it much worse | 0:34:20 | 0:34:26 | |
than that because when you examine
what he says, he talks about | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
conscience voting for study talks
about a second referendum. I do | 0:34:29 | 0:34:36 | |
remember a thing called the
Maastricht referendum campaign, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
which I organised with some friends.
Give a free vote now. The position | 0:34:39 | 0:34:47 | |
was neither an Maastricht or in
relation to the Lisbon Treaty have | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
ever been any free votes on this
question. Bill Cash, thanks very | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
much indeed. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:01 | |
On the eve of meteorological
spring... | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
It was the bleak midwinter today
for millions of people in the UK. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
We've all had our fun with the Beast
from the East but tonight it is set | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
to evolve into the much more
menacing Storm Emma. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
The mercury could sink
to minus 15 where there's snow | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
on the ground, and the blizzards,
gales and sleet just keep coming. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
Worst affected is Scotland,
with a red warning. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
Earlier, I spoke to Lorna Gordon,
who's in Glasgow. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
I asked her whether there were any
signs of supplies running low. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
I did a quick run through
a couple of shops in some | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
of the areas I have been today. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:32 | |
So far, so good. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
I think Scots are pretty stoic. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:35 | |
We are used to the bad weather. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
It takes quite a bit
to rattle people up here. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
So the shops, I think,
are doing OK so far. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
But this is an extended
period of bad weather. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
We're talking about that
red warning in place | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
until tomorrow morning thus far. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
But the bad weather will
continue beyond that. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
But, yes, a big impact on public
transport here in Glasgow | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
and in fact over this large red
warning area that affects | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
3.5 million people. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:04 | |
No trains running. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Here in Glasgow, no buses running. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
And you can see from the road here,
very few cars out on the streets | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
as well, at least in
the urban city centre areas. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
One of the most obvious effects
of the snow is the closure | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
of hundreds of schools. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
Hundreds of thousands of children in
Scotland lobby off tomorrow. -- will | 0:36:22 | 0:36:30 | |
be off tomorrow. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:31 | |
With me in the studio
is Geoff Barton, General Secretary | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
of the Association of School
and College Leaders. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Good evening. Is it an easier
decision to close a school than keep | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
it open? It is always a difficult
decision. I think today maybe a | 0:36:40 | 0:36:46 | |
slightly easier decision, given the
scale of what is happening. I have | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
had people contacting me today, some
of whom are new headteachers, really | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
anxious about whether they have made
the right call and some veterans | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
also. Ultimately the decision we're
making is about looking after | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
children and making sure we can
protect them and get the staff in to | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
supervise them. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:14 | |
You could get the staff in, the
appearance of one teacher would mean | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
that the families of 30 kids could
be out of work supporting the | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
economy. What is distinctive about a
school is in my case, 1500 students. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
What you had to do is make sure if
you had 1500 students going to | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
school, did you have sufficient
staff to supervise a man for the | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
quality of teaching? All I knew is
with 85 teaching staff, there was | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
about 30 of those who lived more
than 20 miles away from the school. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
So the decision was, can I safely
supervise those students and bring | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
staffing to do it? Every member of
the leadership teams in all schools | 0:37:41 | 0:37:48 | |
will be making that decision before
seven o'clock, in order to inform | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
parents of the decision. There is
now, here, the safety of the | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
children but also in attendance,
record of attendance. If you leave | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
school open and children can't get
there, then the attendance record | 0:37:58 | 0:38:03 | |
gets completely shot. There is a
scale of different considerations. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
The number one, which parents would
want to hear as saying, which is the | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
most important, is good week
supervise their child safely, that | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
is most important. And I'll be able
to give some kind of educational | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
quality to what we're doing. I know
there was a day when I decided to | 0:38:18 | 0:38:25 | |
close the school, in my 15 years of
being head, there were three times. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
One diagnostic, by 11 o'clock it
cleared I felt humiliated. It will | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
always be a difficult call. It's a
difficult thing to leave the school | 0:38:30 | 0:38:36 | |
open to see who comes on the kids
who don't come then get marks on | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
their attendance record which the
school order to avoid that, you | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
close the school? That is such a
small issue. What you would do if | 0:38:44 | 0:38:50 | |
their school is close, you would
authorise the attendance of the | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
children who are not there because
you are in extreme circumstances. If | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
parents were unhappy about the
decision, the governing body hold | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
you accountable. It is the chair's
decision that you report to the | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
governing body and you are
accountable for that. Leadership is | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
about making a decision. That
followed the people today have done | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
in the of mourning. Is the primary
consideration health and safety? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:16 | |
Health and safety but not that
caricature of health and safety, are | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
we worried lots of children will
slip on the Pegram? They could slip | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
on the street. That is not to say
you wouldn't want to be concerned | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
about that but the number one is,
can I supervise the number of | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
students in school by bringing staff
who can do it? Why is this so | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
different, briefly, from 1963 when
schools did stay open on this didn't | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
happen? Just like lots of things are
different from 1963. Parental choice | 0:39:40 | 0:39:46 | |
means more children will be
travelling further, more children | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
travelling on parental cars they
were before. I don't think we can do | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
like for like comparison of 1963.
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
That's almost all for this evening. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
A quick well done to the Newsnight
team which picked up | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
two RTS awards tonight
for the programme's coverage | 0:40:04 | 0:40:05 | |
of Grenfell and our film
on the Rohingya massacre. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Tomorrow, I'll be talking to
Brett Anderson, frontman of Suede - | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
and he doesn't hold
back on Britpop... | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
I think it kind of became... | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
It mutated from a Mike Leigh film
into a Carry On film. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
More from that tomorrow. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
But, before we go, Civilisations,
a new nine part series | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
on the history of art,
starts tomorrow on BBC Two. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
It follows from the legendary
original, Civilisation, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
presented by Kenneth Clark in 1969. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:32 | |
We thought we'd leave you where that
original series left off, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
with Clark musing
on a poem by WB Yeats. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:41 | |
"Things fall apart;
the centre cannot hold; | 0:40:41 | 0:40:47 | |
Mere anarchy is loosed
upon the world, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
The blood-dimmed tide
is loosed, and everywhere | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
The ceremony of
innocence is drowned; | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
The best lack all conviction,
while the worst | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
Are full of passionate intensity." | 0:41:02 | 0:41:08 | |
Well, that was certainly true
between the wars, and it | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
damn nearly destroyed us. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
Is it true today? | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
Not quite, because good people have
convictions - | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
rather too many of them. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
The trouble is that there
is still no centre. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
The moral and intellectual
failure of Marxism | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
has left us with no alternative
to heroic materialism. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:35 | |
And that isn't enough. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
One may be optimistic,
| 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
but one can't exactly be joyful
at the prospect before us. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:48 |