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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines. On tonight's programme Evan Davis asks who is winning the diplomatic war between Britain and Russia.


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Britain versus Russia.

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Who's winning?

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Are we even competing?

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What game is Putin playing?

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A Russian intelligence

chief has accused

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Theresa May of "childlike

naivete and incompetence".

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A diplomatic conflict

that is deadly serious, but

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with a dash of playground

name-calling.

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This Russia watcher thinks Putin

is getting exactly what he wants.

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We will ask if he's right.

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Also tonight, for years we've

welcomed Russians to London,

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including friends of Putin.

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What is it that first attracted us

to the oligarch billionaires?

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The Romans when British

establishment types can get cosy

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with Russian money, and that means

that they could be just 2 degrees of

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separation from the master of the

Kremlin himself, Vladimir Putin.

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And, if leaders are forged in times

of crisis, how have our leaders

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dealt with events this week?

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Hello, another Russian,

no friend of Putin, another

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murder investigation.

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It has taken a few

days, but the death

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of Nikolae Glushkov,

who was

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found on Monday, is now

being investigated as a murder.

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Very quickly after

he was found, reports

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emerged that he had been strangled

and death by compression to the neck

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is what the police themselves

are now saying occurred.

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It's just something else

to heat up a row that

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has led to a new chill in relations

between East and West.

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Now in relation to

the nerve agent used

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in Salisbury the British

have today invited

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the Organisation for the Prohibition

of Chemical Weapons,

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to come to the UK to take a sample

under article eight

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of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

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The OPCW have expressed

their willingness

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to support the investigation.

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I'm with our diplomatic

editor, Mark Urban.

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Nikolae Glushkov. We have known for

days that he died.

That is the main

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point today I think that police are

saying it is now a murder inquiry.

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They said they haven't established

any link with the case of the

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Skripals, but people will inevitably

now see this as another potential

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killing of an opponent in London.

Let's go back to Salisbury. There is

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very little else to say at this

point. Back to Salisbury.

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point. Back to Salisbury. What do

you think about how this nerve agent

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was him to be their?

This is

creeping forward incrementally. On

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Monday I spoke about one of the

Novichok agents, A234 and the

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possibility eight had been released

into a car. Today we heard the

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Russian ambassador of being quoted

by TASS, saying that this was indeed

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the agent ever talking about any

Salisbury context. We also saw today

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the car of Mr Skripal being removed

from the tow truck yard where it had

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been since it happened and taken

away. It had been in on air pretend

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there to try to contain any

contamination. -- and air proof

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tent. Police are still saying

officially that they still don't

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know it was the car when the poison

was released but there was a

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tremendous amount of emphasis on the

car. I don't believe they found

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contamination in the home which

would tend to undermine the suitcase

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and various other theories.

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and various other theories. It has

not been subject to that. And people

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are not saying that there is

contamination in the home so that is

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why it goes back to one o'clock on

that day when they are believed to

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have got in the car. That was the

real period of danger that the

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police are looking at.

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police are looking at.

And they are

looking to try and get the OPCW

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involved now.

That is the

international watchdog, the UN, the

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monitoring and enforcement council.

And a few things have come out. They

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have put out a statement saying that

they are looking into these Novichok

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agents. So there are confirmation

that they know these things exist

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and that they are modelling up on

them but most stocks were declared

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to have been destroyed so that has

to be seen in the context of Russia

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when OPCW certified that they had

destroyed all of their chemical

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weapons and nobody ever said that

they had Novichok and some Russian

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officials have said that was not

included in that early 90s chemical

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weapons Convention but the OPCW said

that today this is a real chemical

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weapons that we consider to be

banned by the terms of this key

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treaty.

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Urban, throughout this week Russia

has given the impression of somewhat

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enjoying Britain's indignation

as to what has happened.

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So what is the game

Russia is playing?

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It seems to be more

than just deterring would be

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double agents.

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Some would say he is just goading

us, whilst Theresa May

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is trying to look not goaded.

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So who's winning?

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I'm joined by an security

expert and Russia watcher

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Edward Lucas, and Kori Schake,

former adviser to the US Pentagon

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and National Security Council.

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Both are in no doubt

the Russians are

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behind the Salisbury attack.

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We are talking about what their

objectives would be. You think Putin

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is working to some sort of game

plan? What is he trying to achieve?

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Why is it that it was at the end of

the election campaign, painting the

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outside world out to get Russia, the

West misbehaving. And the idea of

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these efficient Russian spy killer

is going round the world bumping

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people off. He also likes Britain's

isolation at a time when it has

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difficult relations with Europe and

with America and Trump because of

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Brexit. But of course what you ought

to be implying as a result of this

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is to cut off the City of London,

the property market and financial

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system generally to dirty Russian

money and that is something they

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don't want to do, because...

So this

political model that Britain is

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following, are they enjoying it by

the sound of it?

I think

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particularly Boris Johnson as

Foreign Secretary and Gavin

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Williamson 's coming out with ease

from a sententious things, of the

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worst we can do if we we have had a

chemical weapons attack on our soil

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was to push out press releases and

make statements either on our own

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with our allies...

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with our allies...

This is kind of

about testing in Britain and those

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kinds of things.

Absolutely, that is

exactly right. What the Russians are

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trying to do is use our western free

societies as a means of undercutting

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our societies and they have mostly

succeeded.

Is this to strengthen his

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power domestically? To divide and

rule?

I think it is both of those

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things. It is to distract domestic

Russian attention from the failures

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of the Russian economy and the

failures of domestic governance in

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Russia and also everywhere that they

can to try and divide Western

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allies, to try and undercut the

confidence that we have in our own

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governance and systems of

government.

Is Britain and the West

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was Mike response, is it almost

plain to the, are replaying fully to

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what Putin is designing?

I think

clearly this is kind of a whodunnit,

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a Howard Dunnett and a wide on it

and what I begin to do about it? And

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I think the government is not really

going to take the sort of steps we

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need, and we don't have the lies. If

we weren't really series it would

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not just be Britain throwing out 23

Russian intelligence officers. It

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would be 30, 40 allies, all of Nato

and the EU collectively throwing out

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700 Russian intelligence officers.

That would make an impact, that is

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what we ought to be doing.

I think

that free societies are slow to

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mobilise and it requires consensus.

I give the British government, I

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think it was careful in how it

described what was happening. It

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went to allies and institutions in

the international order, it could

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not get ahead of itself. It left the

Russians exit ramps if they wanted

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it and the fact that they did not

take them, help Stodel.

So what was

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the exit ramp that the Russians had,

what was the way out?

First, it was

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not described as an armed attack so

it did not trigger Nato's article

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five. It gave time for the Russians

to explain themselves. There were

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explanation is that the Russians

could have given.

And it left open

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the possibility that somehow they

had lost it.

President Trump was

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quicker signing responsibility to

the Russians than Prime Minister me

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was.

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Maybe they are enjoying keeping is

guessing. But I don't think they

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thought, let's try and back off. I

think the Russian reaction may come

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at an unexpected time and be of an

unexpected nature as well.

There

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were

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were some name-calling. They were

calling Gavin Williamson a vulgar

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old harpy.

You are talking to

someone who spoke to the leader of

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North Korea as rocket man. So it

could be that standards are falling.

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It could be that the Russians are

trying to trivialise this. And that

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Western politicians, maybe they need

to understand that Russia as an

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adversary because Russia is behaving

like an adverse array.

We will leave

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it there.

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One question that arises out

of Salisbury is whether Britain has

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been too willing to offer itself up

as a comfortable home

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the very wealthy Russians,

often close to President Putin.

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"Don't ask, don't tell" seems

to have been the policy in regard

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to the origins of Russian wealth

coming into London.

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And there has been a discernible

reluctance to use that wealth

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as a diplomatic weapon.

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It's not just Russians that we have

been nice to, by the way.

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Remember the London School

of Economics had taken money

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from Colonel Gaddafi's son, Saif,

and given him a PhD.

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If we are a soft touch,

is it because some parts

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of our establishment are too easily

impressed by

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the riches of foreigners?

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John Sweeney now looks at one

example, the social connections

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of Russian aluminium magnate Oleg

Deripaska.

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And a warning - this report starts

with flashing images.

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Every summer, the haves

and the have-yachts converge

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for very private holidays.

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In 2008, Russian oligarch Oleg

Deripaska sailed to Corfu for one.

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Lord Mandelson was there.

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So, too, was George Osborne.

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It caused a bit of a do.

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I didn't break any rules,

but I think I did make a mistake,

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and I think in politics it's not

just what you say or what you do,

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it's how things look,

and I have to be honest,

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this didn't look very good.

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There were all guests

of financier Nat Rothschild,

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who owns this villa on the island.

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What happens in Corfu

stays in Corfu.

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That's the deal.

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But there was a leak.

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A newspaper was tipped off that

Lord Mandelson had, allegedly,

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been "dripping pure poison

about Gordon Brown

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in Osborne's ear".

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Furious at this indiscretion,

Nat Rothschild revealed that Osborne

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went aboard Oleg Deripaska's yacht

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with the then Tory

fundraiser, Andrew Feldman.

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Rothschild said they were soliciting

a donation, something they denied.

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Bun fights like those held

at Nat Rothschild's villa

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are moments when British

establishment types can get cosy

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with Russian money -

and, whether they know it or not,

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that means they could be just two

degrees of separation

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from the master of the Kremlin

himself, Vladimir Putin.

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Putin demands the loyalty

of Russia's billionaires.

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There are nearly 100 of them.

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Deripaska is near

the top of the list.

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He's one of the most

important links between Putin

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and the British establishment.

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Through George Osborne and Tory

fundraiser Andrew Feldman,

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you could say that Putin was just

three degrees of separation

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from David Cameron.

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I don't think that there is

necessarily espionage and blackmail.

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I think the question of what kind

of friends you have is influenced

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by what you need to understand

about the political

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situation in Russia -

and, if you understand that

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oligarchs in Russia today

are not independent people,

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and cannot hold onto their wealth

without maintaining good

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relationships with Putin,

then that's something that British

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politicians need to understand.

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In the case of Oleg Deripaska,

the American authorities have been

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more wary than the Brits.

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The US has denied

Oleg Deripaska a visa.

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Mr Deripaska made his

mega-fortune in the 1990s,

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after Russia's aluminium wars,

so-called because some

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proprietors were literally

killing off competition.

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There is no suggestion that

Mr Deripaska was involved

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in violence, but surviving in that

environment was tough.

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It was very difficult.

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But I believe whatever it is.

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I can't say that I'm proud,

but I believe in all that

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I did the right thing.

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Mr Deripaska told the High Court

in London in 2012 that he'd been

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forced to pay protection money

to a man with links

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to organised crime.

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One of Mr Deripaska's new business

associates is former

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energy minister Greg -

now Lord - Barker, another

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David Cameron chum.

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He's the chair of Deripaska's

energy company, En+,

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which was recently allowed to list

on the London Stock Exchange.

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And this week it was revealed

by the Financial Times that En+

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is one of the clients

of Lord Mandelson's strategic advice

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consultancy, Global Counsel.

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Global Counsel says neither

Lord Mandelson nor Mr Deripaska

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are involved in this work.

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Deripaska is big news

in Russia at the moment.

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Opposition politician Alexei Navalny

recently released this

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documentary about him.

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It includes footage of Deripaska

on his yacht, entertaining

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one of Russia's most

senior government officials.

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It was filmed by an escort,

19 years old at the time.

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In London, a company run

by the Home Secretary's brother,

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Roland Rudd, handled the PR

for the recent stock market

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flotation of Deripaska business En+.

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I mean, I'm not in the PR business,

but I think that, when one

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is the immediate family of someone

in a top leadership position,

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one should be careful

about what foreign professionals,

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foreign clients one has.

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Donald Trump's campaign

manager, Paul Manafort,

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has worked for Mr Deripaska,

too, something Mr Deripaska

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is not keen to talk

about without an appointment.

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Get lost, please.

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Thank you.

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At Tory fundraiser the Black

and White Ball, the British wives

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of oligarchs bid big money

for experiences, like having dinner

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with Gavin Williamson,

the Defence Secretary.

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It's clear from our research that

several wealthy oligarchs close

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to Vladimir Putin have managed

to cultivate members,

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whether witting or unwitting,

of the British ruling elite.

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Getting involved in the art world,

donating to charity,

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sponsoring academic prizes,

buying shares in football clubs,

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these are the ways that Putin's

cronies can become friends

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of the posh folk of London.

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But, if the businesses are legal

and the stock exchange

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is happy, should we care?

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There is a danger here

in smearing all Russians.

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Look, there are lots of very gifted

entrepreneurs, artists,

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rebels in London today,

and it would be awful

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to have a total attack

on all Russians in London.

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It's wonderful that we have this

expatriate Russian community.

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But political parties

should be very careful,

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and government should be very

careful about who it does business

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with and takes money from.

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People are saying there's

a problem with Jeremy Corbyn

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and Seamus Milne's judgment about

Russia.

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That's the only problem

of Russian influence

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in British politics -

true or false?

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False.

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It's got to be said

that the Conservative Party has been

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very rash in who it's taken money

from and who it's done business

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with, and of course New Labour,

which is currently on the war path

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against Jeremy Corbyn, has all kinds

of questions to answer.

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But Russian money has washed around

the corridors of power in London

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for perhaps too long.

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The question is, will the nerve

agent poisonings in Salisbury change

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anything, or will it continue to be

roubles as usual?

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John Sweeney. We might pick up one

or two of those themes shortly.

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The country hasn't just been talking

about the Russians this week.

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We've also been talking

about Jeremy Corbyn.

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The conversation has focused inwards

as well as outwards.

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In a way, this isn't surprising.

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The Salisbury attack has

been another chance,

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on top of the ample opportunities

provided by Brexit, to debate

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Britain's relationship

to the rest of the world -

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not just to Russia itself,

but to Trump, the US

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and other allies -

and the chance to ask how powerful,

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how trustworthy and how grown-up

we are in dealing with these things.

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It is easy for the right to benefit

at times of external threat.

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And the polling backs that

up on this occasion.

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If we look at the YouGov polling

on whether Theresa May has responded

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well or badly to the poisoning,

most people think she

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has handled it well -

two to one in favour,

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with quite a few don't knows.

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Now, the same question

on Jeremy Corbyn's response -

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it's two to one the other way.

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39% say he has handled it badly

and 18% say he has done well.

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But interestingly, a vast number

of "don't knows" in his case.

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Let's see if we can dissect

the politics of the week with a

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panel drawn from the brightest and

best of our nation's commentariat -

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former editor and Mail On Sunday

commentator Rachel Johnson,

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bestselling author and Guardian

columnist Owen Jones,

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and the Times's Jenni Russell.

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Owen, do you think Jeremy Corbyn has

paid a political price this week for

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his position?

The media framing has

been a disgrace, including your own

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programme. Yesterday, the background

of your programme, you had Jeremy

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Corbyn dressed up against the

Kremlin skyline... No, no. Dressed

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up as a Soviet leader. You even

Photoshop is that it look more

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Russian.

It was real, him in front

of the Kremlin.

Provocation, and

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people complained to the BBC about

that, and it isn't your graphics

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department responsible, it is

whoever signed it.

It was a real

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picture of him.

Who was it, which

party over and over again demanded

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an amendment to crackdown? Which

party resisted, the Conservatives.

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Which politician kibosh and enquiry,

delayed undermined from a year after

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year, against the poisoning of

Litvinenko, and in doing so

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potentially embolden those who used

Theresa May. Which party is awash

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with Russian links? The

Conservatives.

While the polls

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2-to-1 in her favour on this and

2-to-1 against him? Has he bungled

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it this week? You are saying, look

how good he is on this, and the

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country are not buying it.

I am

saying he isn't having a good

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hearing, and I'm glad there are so

many people who say they don't know.

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What sort of country do we live in

where the media constantly tries to

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portray the Leader of the

Opposition, who was the only one who

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stood up in solidarity in Parliament

with Russia's democratic opposition,

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and being smeared for things? This

is a series point, because it is how

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the mediocrity in this country for

the feedback the expulsion of the

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diplomats, that's what the Labour

Party did. The argument of the

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Labour Party is to go further and

clamp down on Russian money, which

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the Conservatives party, which is

bankrolled by Russian oligarchs.

Is

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the framing being unfair?

I think

Owen made some very good points

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about the injustice of the British

media towards Putin for them I last

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night.

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night. I didn't watch your programme

last night, but if you take a

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photograph taken years ago in a

different context and put it up

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there... Images matter. And he's

right that many of the issues that

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he raises. It is true that the

Conservative Party have not done the

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Magnitsky act. But Corbyn had an

opportunity to say exactly anything

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that he pleased when he stood up in

the Commons this week, and he

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completely blew it. He made it sound

as though he wasn't primarily

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interested in defending the British

people, as if he was more interested

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in exploring every possible reason

why somebody else might have been

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responsible for this attack. The

point is, if you intend to lead the

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country, as Jeremy Corbyn does, your

first duty is to make people feel

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that you will defend them against

attack, and although he was

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perfectly right to lay out some

questions about what we know, Corbyn

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didn't do it the right way. He

should have come out at the

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beginning it made it clear that he

would defend Britain and he would

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ask other questions later.

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ask other questions later.

Rachel,

where are you on these?

They have

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both made sensible points, but I

thought that Jeremy Corbyn was right

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to point out that we needed some

proof before we risked escalating

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what could be a very dangerous

international situation, and I think

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a lot of the country really agreed

with him on that. We've had eight

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years of the war in Syria, we got

1500 civilian casualties in Yemen,

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and then we have the death, probable

assassination by a Russian agency of

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one British citizen, a Russian spy

swap, and suddenly the entire

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international security establishment

decides

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decides it's time to really launched

an international diplomatic

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offensive against Putin. I

understand the reasons about the

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chemical attack on British soil, but

I think we were right to be

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cautious.

Last word on Corbyn,

because I want to get onto other

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things.

What will get the Russian

regime where it hurts? Labour has

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accepted that either Russia is

directly responsible or criminally

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culpable by allowing its weapons to

pull into the arms of the gangsters

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and oligarchs who ravaged Russia

ever since the fall of the Soviet

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Union and what will help them? Going

after Russian dirty money, and I'd

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ask, which party would you trust, a

party bankrolled by the City of

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London, the centre of this

money-laundering, or one which

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isn't? The Conservatives are Roche

-- are awash with Russian money but

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Theresa May has refused an enquiry

into the Litvinenko poisoning

I want

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to move on to Theresa May because a

lot of people have said she has had

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a good week, and the polls seem to

that, head of Labour by three points

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in one poll today. Is it game

changing? Is this the new strong

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Theresa May? That strength in her

position in the and the Labor Day

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when the people come and tell her to

go? Best position in the party and

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does it do Labor Day.

I thought she

performed OK this week. With God,

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thank goodness there is a grown-up

in charge. However, the whole reason

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this is so threatening, and probably

the reason this happened is that

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Britain is extraordinarily weak. We

are walking away from our allies in

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Europe, wilfully alienating them,

and we can't depend on our allies

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across the pond, and that is a

situation which Theresa May has made

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much worse than it need be, and the

backdrop for all of this is that,

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when this episode is over, we should

be dwelling on the fact that very

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few countries in the world have

chosen to walk away from their

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allies into something is called

unthreatening as this world...

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Secondly, when you are saying, as

she done well, the context is that

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Theresa May is completely confused

about what she wants about Brexit,

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so is her party, we are going

nowhere in the negotiations.

It

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could be testing our isolation.

I

may remain, but I have to say, I

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think it's a joke to say that this

is a distraction from Brexit. The

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Russian Embassy said, the Russian

embassy new... They knew everybody

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would start talking about our

security position post-Brexit, and

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that's why they said a probable

assassination, and MI5 plot to

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distract us from Brexit.

ALL TALKING AT ONCE.

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The first statement by the quad,

Germany, France, the US and the UK

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for decades. There hasn't been any

disintegration of the transatlantic

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alliance.

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alliance.

Again, it's about their

track record. Let's not forget the

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Conservatives lobbied to die lewd

sanctions against Russia in the

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past, on the basis it would damage

the City, but if you look back to

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2003 in Iraq, Libya in 2011,

everybody said, look how strong and

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commanded David Cameron and Tony

Blair are, and anybody dissenting

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from the government line was

betrayed as traitors, cowards,

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stooges of the enemy.

400,000 people

marched.

In saying that the media

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and the new Labour elite and the

Conservatives did that, especially

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with Libya, where only about 40 MPs

voted against. We do have a foreign

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policy which is reckless and

endangers the national security of

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everybody watching, because of

Theresa May's support for the Saudi

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dictatorship or the Turkish regime,

so this idea that, because we are

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doing some theatrical standing up in

terms of expelling a few diplomats

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instead of taking an Russian dirty

money...

You are making this

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argument a lot of -- lot better than

the people running the Labour Party.

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The Labour Party is making any

argument like this extremely well,

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because Corbyn was writing about 19%

before this. There are many reasons

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to be very worried about British

foreign policy and about British

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foreign policy in the past. I was

among many people who marched

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against the war in Iraq, but Jeremy

Corbyn is now saying he will

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reassess the membership of Nato...

That is Corbyn's policy. He might

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not ever want to use a nuclear

deterrent. You can't have somebody

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coming in to say per minute recess,

I may not want to use the ultimate

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sanction.

I want to give Rachel the

last word. When you look at moments

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like this, do you think they show

our country at its best or do they

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show it at its worst?

Theresa May

performed well and Prime Minister

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really, and I thought she struck the

right note, and I think that,

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unlike, there has been terrible

banter from the Defence Secretary.

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And the Foreign Secretary!

The

Russian embassy's command of the

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English language is superior to that

of our Defence Secretary, and in

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that sense we are on the back foot.

Thank you, all.

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The cable car across the Thames,

which opened in 2012, is facing

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an uncertain future tonight.

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It could be sold off

or scrapped completely,

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according to the Evening Standard.

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The Emirates Air Line,

the project of former

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mayor Boris Johnson,

was the UK's first urban cable car.

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It was meant to be a new

form of mass transit.

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But it didn't attract the masses.

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Having cost £60 million to build,

according to one report,

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only four regular commuters

were using it.

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Is it farewell to one

of London's least loved modes

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of public transport?

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We'll miss it, even if

the customers don't.

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Goodnight.

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# Are you lonesome tonight?

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# Do you miss me tonight?

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# Are you sorry we drifted apart?

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# Does your memory stray

to a brighter sunny day

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# When I kissed you

and called you sweetheart? #

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Evan Davis. Evan asks who is winning the diplomatic war between Britain and Russia.