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hour, now it is time for Newswatch. Welcome to Putin, Russia And The | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
West. Later in the programme, has BBC Two's series about Russia and | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
the West been too favourable to Vladimir Putin? If you're not | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
interested in football, this may not have been the best week to | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
watch the news. Wednesday saw the acquittal of Harry Redknapp on | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
charges of tax evasion. This led to the news channel abandoning its | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
coverage of Prime Minister's Questions, much to the annoyance of | :00:44. | :00:54. | |
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Worse was to follow in the eyes of many viewers with the resignation | :01:01. | :01:11. | |
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that evening of England football There was more sporting controversy | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
after Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond, was told by the BBC | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
that he was not welcome to appear on the panel discussing Saturday's | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
rugby international between Scotland and England. Given the | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
nature, it said, of political debate around Scotland's future and | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
the proximity of local government elections, it would be | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
inappropriate to give undue prominence to any single political | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
leader. Mr Salmond insisted he just wanted to talk about the rugby and | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
later compared the man who made the decision, the BBC's chief political | :02:04. | :02:14. | |
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adviser, with a Nazi official. One Meanwhile, another apparent BBC tic | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
that hit the news with reports that BBC journalists have been told a | :02:22. | :02:32. | |
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meeting not to describe the cleric Well, in a statement, the BBC said, | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
it is not uncommon for us to discuss how we cover stories | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
impartially, and we think very carefully about the language we use. | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
The notes are a reflection of a live editorial discussion about how | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
to report a story. There will be plenty of attention | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
in Russia over the next month or so, in the build-up to the presidential | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
election. The man everyone assumes will win the election, Vladimir | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
Putin, has been the subject of a documentary series shown on BBC Two | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
over the past four weeks from the award-winning makers of the Death | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
of Yugoslavia and other acclaimed series. Putin, Russia And The West | :03:14. | :03:24. | |
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has garnered good reviews, too, but What I was very upset by was that | :03:25. | :03:32. | |
the film only concentrated on showing on the Russian side, people | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
from the Kremlin and people from their propaganda unit. There were | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
no ordinary people, no journalists, no critics of the regime. Basically, | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
the film was made within the framework of Russian official | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
propaganda. They a few days after they wandered through the Kremlin, | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
Russian soldiers in Chechnya carried out a routine raid on a | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
village. Although Russia's involvement in | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
Chechnya does feature, some observers feel it is not addressed | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
sufficiently. Eight years later, this young man's remains were dug | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
up at a Russian base. They had been shot twice in their head. For more | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
than a decade, Russia has been bombing and shelling its own | :04:15. | :04:22. | |
civilians in Chechnya. Western leaders have tried as hard as they | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
could to ignore this war, and unfortunately the film does the | :04:26. | :04:33. | |
same. It glosses over the worst atrocities committed by the Russian | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
army. Once you from the series was the admission by Jonathan Powell | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
that the UK had used surveillance equipment hidden in a fake rock in | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
a Moscow street to spy on Russia. It was embarrassing, they had us | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
bang to rights. Clearly they had known about it for some time and | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
had been saving it for a political purpose. The claim was first made | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
on a programme on Russian television which link the rock with | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
allegations that British security services were making covert | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
payments to human rights groups in Russia. Baldly ruction -- all the | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
Russian channels were saying, Britain has admitted they were | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
spying, and it basically proved that everything that was set in the | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
propaganda film was right. That is how the FSB to it. It provoked a | :05:23. | :05:30. | |
new wave of attacks on human rights activists. He spent many years in | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
the KGB... The consultants are the series was former BBC Moscow | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
correspondent and author Angus Roxburgh. -- the consultant on the | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
series. Another recent job of his has caused concern. Angus Roxburgh | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
was employed by an American PR firm which received at one stage from | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
the Kremlin about $1 million per month for the same purpose, to | :05:53. | :06:00. | |
improve the image are pressure in the West. Now, I think that taking | :06:00. | :06:09. | |
on board a man who had been taking money from the Kremlin basically | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
colours the narrative of the film. So did Putin, Russia And The West | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
paint too favourable a picture of Russia's past and probable future | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
President? And joined now by the programme makers, series producer | :06:22. | :06:30. | |
Norma Percy and series director Paul Mitchell. You clearly referred | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
to Chechnya in this series, but critics say not enough, not enough | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
impact. I just do not think that is true. There Park, in the first | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
programme alone, three distinct sequences which deal with Chechnya. | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
-- there are. The old expression, one million deaths is a statistic, | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
one death is a tragedy. And I believe, and I think on the | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
evidence of how people have reacted to the film, that the fact that we | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
show one person being trapped away to his death by Russian soldiers | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
after what we call a routine raid, making the point that this sort of | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
thing happened all the time, I think it has enormous impact. | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
spy rock, you got a bit of a scoop, it really existed, at least | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
according to the former British chief-of-staff. But Russian | :07:18. | :07:24. | |
television initially linked it with Western payments to human rights | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
groups, and they have used it apparently, Russian television has | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
used this as almost propaganda, and you did not apparently set the rot | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
into the context. I think it is surprising to say that we did not | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
put it in context. Jonathan Powell's point was that the | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
Russians knew about the spy rock for a long time and was saving it | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
up for a political purpose. Putin wanted to bring in a tough law | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
against NGOs, and he tried to make the discovery of the spy rock prove | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
that the British were clandestinely... Now they are | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
actually using that film, does that concern you? Sorry, but the film | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
went on to say that it had nothing to do with NGOs. The interview with | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
Jonathan Powell was recorded something like one year ago. It was | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
recorded at a time when politics in Russia had essentially gone dormant. | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
The NGOs barely played any real role. Unfortunately, they had been | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
cut out. In a last few months, suddenly Russia has got incredibly | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
interesting, the NGOs have become interesting, and the people who | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
have been saying, you should not have included that, I do not | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
understand what they are asking for. Should we have censored our | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
material? We knew this fact, an interesting fact, should we have | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
not broadcast it? We cannot control what Putin does. Isn't it | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
unfortunate that you were being advised by someone who has been | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
involved a PR exercise for a number of years to improve the reputation | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
of the Kremlin? Angus was a Sunday Times correspondent who was | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
expelled out of Russia during Soviet times in one of the spy | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
scandals. He was a BBC correspondent. He did his job for | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
an American PR company, and like a lot of people who worked for the | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
Kremlin, he got disillusioned and let, and that is when we picked him | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
up to work on a series. Did he have any editorial control on your film? | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
The way we did the series, the series consultant, he helps with | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
research, helps with the farming, but when we go to edit the | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
programmes, he goes off and write the book and we make the programmes. | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
All the time we were making the programmes, he was away writing the | :09:35. | :09:42. | |
book. No links to the editing. was not physically possible. But we | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
do this for the time. I mean, you cannot get access to top government | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
officials by turning up and saying, look at me, I am making a good and | :09:52. | :10:01. | |
objective programme. You have to find somebody who understands what | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
you do and distrusted by the Kremlin's. In the programmes, are | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
they biased? Are they saying that Vladimir Putin was some sort of | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
hero? That we were all wrong about him? They do not say that. Critics | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
say that there is not enough representation of the opposition to | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
Putin. What we do is try to get right inside to show the view of | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
what it is like pins and the room, in the really big political | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
decisions. -- what it is like inside the room. We do not | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
interview pundits, we cannot interview journalists. We only | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
interview people who were inside the room taking the decision. Those | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
people tend to the presidents, prime ministers, their top aides. | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
You clearly got extraordinary access, particularly to senior | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
people in the Kremlin. To what extent did you have to make | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
compromises to get that? compromises at all. We used the | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
same method we have been using with governments for 30 years. What we | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
do is we say we are going to produce a truly multi- sided | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
account. We ask you what happened, we ask the Americans what happened, | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
and we put it together. What we do is try to present the evidence and | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
let the viewer make up their own mind. Thank you very much indeed. | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
And thank you for your comments this week. If you want to share | :11:19. | :11:26. |