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week, as the BBC's coverage -- has the BBC's coverage of the Arab | :00:04. | :00:14. | |
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Welcome to NewsWatch. Later in the programme, Jeremy Paxman is known | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
as a combative interviewer, but has he gone too far? That is rightly | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
what we seek to use for the credibility... Is this some sort of | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
joke? Before that, we have almost become used to a state of political | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
turmoil in countries such as Egypt, Libya and Syria, since the first | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
spark of revolution at the under 2010, did the Arab Spring, this | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
series of popular uprisings has proved a uniquely difficult for | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
broadcasters to cover. Nobody saw it coming and -- on quite the scale, | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
the unpredictability has been one challenge come away to deploy | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
limited journalistic resources when events have moved so quickly in | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
different locations? Another difficulty has been safety. How to | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
get close enough to the story without putting yourself in danger. | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
Correspondents have taken significant risks to get the | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
reports out come as such as Paul Wood's pieces from Homs in Syria | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
and this week's dispatches from Ian Pannell also in Syria. The risks, | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
logistical and editorial challenge has come a will clearly remain for | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
while, but has the BBC given as full and balanced picture of | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
possible of the Arab Spring? On Monday, the BBC Trust published a | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
review of the coverage of the Arab Spring following a report written | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
by Middle East expert Edward Mortimer. Fran O'Brien has seen -- | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
overseen the report for the Trust and joins me now. What did the | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
Trust find as a result of this research in this report? I think | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
the overwhelming point the trustees want to make the first instances | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
that the coverage is remarkable. The BBC were covering random events | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
happening in for a huge geographical area and volunteers | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
were going in from the BBC into places of great danger and risking | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
their lives. Having said that, things can be improved. There were | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
countries where they did not get much coverage and these were | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
interesting countries because full uprisings did not happen. Why? | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
Jordan, Morocco. There are other big countries, Saudi Arabia, where | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
it is very difficult to get in and yet did it get the coverage it | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
deserves? And then you look at the countries where there were | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
uprisings, take Egypt. What happened between the spring and the | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
autumn, Edward Mortimer would say at the BBC management would | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
recognise that they could have done more in between to explain what was | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
going on, so when events flared up again in November people knew why. | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
Is there a danger that journalists go off chasing the next big | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
important story it sometimes forget the last but one? There is always a | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
risk when there are really big, dramatic events aren't there are | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
great pictures and we know that the audiences loved dramatic pictures | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
and they like getting engaged with real people, that when these things | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
are happening it is very difficult to remember to stand back and do | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
those contextual items, which might be more boring and dull, but | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
everybody recognises the need to do them and that is one of the other | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
findings of the report, which is that it is going to be helpful if | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
news division can stand back and take a strategic look and every now | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
and again on these big running stories just check that gaps are | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
not emerging. Is there a problem in that historically the BBC has | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
believed that its editors have individual programmes should have | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
the freedom to editor and there is an obvious tension between that | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
freedom to edit and the executive, standing back and perhaps sometimes | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
and theory? I think that is a general problem. At the BBC | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
management recognise it. You really want editors to have the freedom to | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
express the individuality of their own programme on behalf of their | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
own audiences and yet if everybody is doing the amazing protest that | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
is happening today in the streets of Syria, but not a single one of | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
them is saying who was making up the opposition and Syria and are | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
they arming than themselves and are they part of the violence, these | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
trends emerge but did they emerge early enough? That is one of the | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
questions. That is where you would expect the stand back look with the | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
management and the editors and Jeremy Bowen, the Middle East | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
editor having a look and saying, actually, there is something we are | :04:25. | :04:31. | |
missing. That is a continuing process, in a way, of editorial | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
advice from senior executives? think it will affect not just the | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
Arab Spring, it would impact on all the big stories, yes. Many of the | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
points raised in the trust's review have an echoing comments made by | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
NewsWatch FE was. That the height of the coverage of Libya last | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
autumn, Paul Smith e-mailed with some sarcasm. I was watching BBC | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
One on Thursday evening and was surprised to see five minutes of | :04:55. | :05:02. | |
none Libyan news. Could you please keep UK news to a minimum oblique | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
Libyan news? I need to see more coverage of rebels firing weapons | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
India. Viewers have complained of insufficient reporting over the | :05:12. | :05:22. | |
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last 18 months, such as Bahrain. With me to discuss this is the | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
BBC's deputy director of news, Steve Mitchell. We have heard from | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
Fran O'Brien that the BBC Trust completely admires the remarkable | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
coverage of the Arab Spring, says it was largely impartial and | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
salutes the courage of BBC journalists in getting it but they | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
say it can be improved and one complaint is that there was a | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
tendency to go from one big story to another and forgetting maybe | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
what has happened in some of the others. Is that fair? I think we | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
have looked at the report and we probably think that is a fair | :06:16. | :06:24. | |
criticism in part. Edward Mortimer was able to reveal a lot of power a | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
book but not all of our output and we did return to the Egyptian story | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
after the fall of Mubarak. There was a period of some weeks where we | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
did not? There were periods when we did not an especially periods when | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
what was going on in Egypt did not appear on the main TV bulletins, | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
that is not to say that it was not being reported elsewhere on | :06:43. | :06:50. | |
Newsnight, for instance, but it is true that we were very focused on | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
other, major breaking stories including a war in which we were | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
involved in Libya, including an earthquake and tsunami in Japan. | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
That is our problem, always, of course, to try to get the balance | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
right between major breaking events, which news bulletin by definition | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
has to tell the audience about and returning to stories which reached | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
a peak earlier but are obviously continuing to unfold. Could you, as | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
the Trust implies, perhaps have given more context on the main | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
bulletins, where most people receive the news? Again, the issue | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
is largely about space rather than intent. Our bulletins a | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
distinguished by the amount of context and background that we try | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
to give the audiences but they are of limited duration and the | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
logistics of that means that sometimes we haven't the space to | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
do as much context as we would like but personally I think we probably | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
could have done more to explain some of the more nuanced issues | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
around all of the events in the Middle East and we will learn from | :07:57. | :08:03. | |
what Edward Mortimer has found. Just occasionally perhaps too much | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
enthusiasm from the camp of the rebels, which is understandable | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
because that is where often the reporters were when covering a | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
story? Well, I think benefit -- by definition there was a lot of | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
enthusiasm on the streets and the Middle East and our reporters on | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
the ground were reflecting and reporting on that but I don't think | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
any of our people were carried away by that and they don't think our | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
journalism as it was edited in London over emphasised that. We | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
will always making it quite clear that what the viewers were seeing | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
was for instance events in one square in Cairo, but there is a | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
huge country out there with the vast range of opinions and I think | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
looking back at our coverage we were careful to make that point | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
throughout. Do you accept that another suggestion from the Trust, | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
that senior executives such as yourself should have built into the | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
system stand back moments to review, to see whether the context has been | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
properly explained or what? Yes, I do accept that. I can accept it on | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
my own behalf. I think that is part of what I should be doing, as I am | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
responsible for a range of programmes which are not all | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
subject to the constraints of space that I have described on the main | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
television bulletins, so probably someone like me probably me | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
personally should have been saying to Newsnight or two programmes on | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
radio or two online, maybe we should go back to the stories, | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
maybe we should do a little more context. Inconsistent of the use of | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
the word regime, which viewers have talked about. We have agreed to | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
take that word to one side and think about its impact on different | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
audiences but it will be difficult because for some it is a neutral | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
term, for others as a pejorative term, so we need to be careful | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
about where we come to one this. Steve Mitchell, thank you. Time for | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
one more comment and it relates to interview conducted on Tuesday's | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
Newsnight by Jeremy Paxman. The guest, in some people's eyes, the | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
victim, was junior Treasury minister Chloe Smith, there to | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
defend the deferral of the planned rise in fuel duty. You are coming | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
to defend a change of policy and you can't even tell me when you | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
were told what a change of policy was? I am not going to give you a | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
running commentary on... I am not asking for a running commentary, I | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
am asking for facts about when you were told? You would hold some time | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
today, clearly? Was it before lunch or after lunch? Is it hard for you | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
to defend the policy you don't agree with? Which depart it is it | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
going to come from? Phase four cross and in different ways and | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
that figure will progress... Name me departments. I won't do that. | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
You don't know? Are you waiting to be told that as well? Do you were | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
the wake up in the morning and think, my God, what am I going to | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
be talking -- told today? Do you think you are incompetent? | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
Chancellor and Tory party spin doctors were attacked for putting | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
Chloe Smith up front of you put the blame lay elsewhere according to | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
this viewer, who described it as Jeremy Paxman bullying a junior | :11:09. | :11:17. |