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Now, it is time for Newswatch. This week, a state operation by Panorama

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comes under the spotlight. -- a staying operation. Welcome to

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Newswatch. Panorama and the Daily Telegraph set up a fake company and

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secretly filmed parliamentarians for an investigation into lobbying. Was

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this justified? Viewers object to being told about road safety

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offences by a reporter while he is driving. Who is that staring through

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the window? The phrase cash for questions was bandied about in the

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1990s so there may have been a sense of deja vu you for some viewers over

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charges that a peer and an MP had agreed to do Parliamentary work for

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money. On Panorama, a fake lobbying company was set up and secretly

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filmed Patrick Mercer who told an undercover reporter that he would

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help start an all-party parliament to group for Fiji. -- group. He

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denied any wrongdoing, saying he had taken the money for consultancy work

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outside Parliament. He has since resigned the Conservative party whip

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and is taking legal advice and has referred himself to the Standards

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Commissioner. Meanwhile Lord Laird also secretly filmed by the Panorama

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team, said he had been the subject of a scam by journalists and that he

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had not broken any rules, although he has since also resigned at the

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party whip. What are the methods used? One viewer had concerns,

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writing... An element of subterfuge is of course integral to much

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investigated journalism. Panorama has often done this to a chain

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footage, as in John Sweeney's recent trip to North Korea. Journalists are

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banned here, part of a tour group. Hidden cameras have been employed in

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some programmes. By secretly filming inside here, the BBC found staff out

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of control. Operations of the sort seen this week or not you, featuring

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in a recent Expose on the UK's tax avoidance industry. Here and

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undercover reporter, posing as a tax investigator. Was this programme and

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unjustified entrapment, but the only way to expose wrongdoing which was

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in the public interest? Let us explore that question with the

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editor of Panorama. It was clearly in the public interest to expose

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wrongdoing, but viewers are concerned about the setting up of

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the fake company, can you explain why you did this? First of all, I

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will make it clear, the public interest in this story, it was felt

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by the BBC, was overwhelming. It was about the standard of contact in

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Parliament by elected members of parliament. That was a very

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important matter. The proper subject of scrutiny and public interest. The

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decision to fake -- set up a fake company would be because there was

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sufficient evidence, both in terms of the amount of lobbying and in

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terms of the amount of consultancy activity going on in Parliament,

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which has been the subject of widespread concern, not least by

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this government and this Prime Minister, while in opposition. It

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was the level of that evidence, specifically over a range of

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individuals, that made us feel that that was the best way of actually

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approaching a story like this. those two people, viewers might say

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that we have seen a particular operation, and they would not have

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done that without you. You have not proved that they have done it in the

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past. I will not go into business ethics of those cases. This was the

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subject of legal correspondence before we went on air. In general,

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when you go about setting up anything like that, you have to have

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a pretty strong amount of evidence, before you can even start the

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process. I will also say that we would not have started even secret

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filming, until there had been some sort of initial contact, which would

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then give grounds for that secret filming to be allowed. You said that

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there is a process for secret filming and for setting up a fake

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company, can you tell us how that worked? What we have to do is gather

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as much extensive research and evidence, which is exactly what

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happened in this story, and go to editorial policy and make a case for

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whether there is sufficient evidence to allow us, in the public interest,

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and perhaps criminality, though that was not the case in this case, to

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allow us to basically use secret filming and inherently, the

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deception involved. I would stress that over and above this kind of

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operation, or a scam company, undercover filming of the sort that

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you have described, it is of course inherently deceptive. There is a

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deceit and that deceit is allowed by the BBC, under the terms of its

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guidelines, if there is clear public interest in terms of wrongdoing,

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anti-social behaviour and potential criminal activity. Do you think

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viewers might have a reason to be concerned? There is a difference

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between abuse in a care home and setting up a fake company. That is

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debatable. Clearly the evidence that we had gathered is that there was

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sufficient concern that this was happening. I would ask people to

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watch the film and answer questions in their own heads about whether

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these people felt reasonably at ease in the sort of circumstances in

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which they found themselves. The fact that they volunteered quite

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willingly, their own rates for which ever they would get paid. I would

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also hope that the viewers, if they solve the programme, would be more

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concerned by what they saw, for example the member of Parliament,

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Patrick Mercer, in terms of putting questions down. We have not heard

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the like of for money since the 1990s. One other issue was the fact

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that this was an independent production company behind this. It

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was carried out with the Telegraph newspaper. There is some interest,

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after what happened with other investigations, like the one into

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Lord McAlpine, should the BBC give up control of these stories? It is

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interesting that people highlighted the Daily Telegraph. We did a

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similar film before Christmas, with the Guardian. The essence of all

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these things, whether it is independent companies or

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newspapers, is that the journalism itself, the final decision making is

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my own as editor. We go through a vigorous process which is run

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internally by the BBC and the legal side, to make sure that all the

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processes and journalism is right and proper. Thank you. Do let us

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know your thoughts. Details of how to contact us will be on at the end

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of the programme. Before that, some of your other reactions, starting

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with the reporting of Prince Philip's visit to hospital for a

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planned operation. Mike McCarthy was not alone in responding... Now, when

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reporting about the crackdown on a set of motoring offences such as

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tailgating and lane hogging, from where does a transport correspondent

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address the camera, from the driving seat of a car, it seems. What will

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change for motorists? Until now, if the police wanted to prosecute

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someone for blocking a lane or jumping a junction or driving too

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close to the car in front, they had to take them to court. That used up

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a lot of time and resources. Richard Westcott up there. Barry Mason was

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one of those who took exception to that piece to camera, e-mailing...

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Finally, we have aired complaints recently from viewers that they have

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been distracted by all the people visible in the newsroom behind the

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presenters. On Friday, there was a rather unusual presence hovering

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over the newsreader -- newsreaders s' shoulders. Let us join the Queen.

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Her Majesty, the Queen, is in the heart of Broadcasting House. It is a

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view that we share with our audience every day, but today, a unique

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moment with a special Royal guest. That bizarre piece of television

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came about because the Queen was officially opening the new

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Broadcasting House building, a visit shown in all its glory on the News

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Channel. One viewer was unimpressed with the reception she was given,

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asking... They were and they did not. That is all from us. If you

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want to share your opinions with us or appear on the programme, you can

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