Episode 6 Nolan Live

Tonight, we're asking,

where is our money?

We were promised

a billion by the DUP.

When are we getting it?

Ex-England international

Paul Stewart is with us in studio

to tell us about his experience

of sexual abuse in football.

And the golden boy of Irish country

music, Derek Ryan, is here.

Good evening. We are live on BBC

One.

OK, let's get started.

As you will all have heard,

Theresa May wrote us

a £50 million cheque this week -

That was good of you, to reason,

thank you, but where is the rest?

But where is the other

£950 million, Theresa?

James Brokenshire, where is our

money and, the DUP, where is our

money, because you did the deal?

Deprived communities, and I want you

to think about this, but I'm not too

sure there has been enough attention

on this. Let's look at it. Deprived

communities in Northern Ireland were

promised, as part of this Tory deal,

£20 million a year for five years.

That's 100 million. Have you heard

that being mentioned about what's

been delivered? No. Where is it?

This programme will represent

deprived communities, and they've

been forgotten within any of these

announcements. Guess what else we

haven't heard about, the promise

that was made by the Tory government

to the DUP, as part of their

negotiation, about mental health.

Very important to us in this

country. They were promised £10

million a year for five years. So

you might have expected we'd be told

by now, because by next March that

the end of the financial year, where

the mental health resulting money

is. It hasn't been announced.

Meanwhile, the DUP continues to

support the Tory government. When

are we getting our money? All we can

hope for is that the 50 million of

this week will get past through

Westminster, at a date that is still

to be decided, and the other 50

million of emergency money, that

comes through next year, but don't

be getting that mixed up with

deprived communities. Their money

hasn't been announced. Don't be

thinking that mental health resource

think that was promised... That

hasn't been announced either, and

this programme is making issue of it

tonight. If a deal is a deal, where

is the money? In terms of the other

£950 million that Northern Ireland

was promised, there is no timetable

for that. Back in June, we were told

we were getting that £1 billion, and

we were told where it was going to

go. Let's look at the breakdown.

Health forced to get a minimum of

£250 million, with £200 million

directly to the health service. £50

million towards mental health

provision and, as we've said, it

hasn't been mentioned about the year

one money. Is that acceptable to

you? £50 million to address

immediate pressures. Where is all of

this money? Arlene Foster, you did

the deal with the Tory government.

Deprived communities, Arlene Mental

health, Arlene

Deprived communities, Arlene Mental

health, Arlene. Where is the money

for this country, because you

continue to back the Tory

government? Education, £50 million

to address immediate issues. Let's

have a look at infrastructure. We

are promised £400 million for

projects including delivery of the

York Street Interchange.

James Brokenshire,

what is the timetable?

Are you going to give us one or is

this country just to continue, if

you are a DUP supporter, to prop up

your government, and there is no

actual timetable delivered for when

this country gets the money that it

desperately needs? Could you not at

least set out a timetable in terms

of business and the prosperity for

the economy we were promised? We

were promised £150 million to

provide ultrafast broadband across

Northern Ireland. What's the

timetable? Can businesses rely on

it? When are we going to get it?

Finally, let's come back once again

to that deprivation figure. Look at

what it says. We are supposed to get

100 million, keyword, annually. We

are supposed to get it annually over

five years and, at year one, it

hasn't been announced. Mark Durkan,

deprived communities, some of the

people who are the most vulnerable

in Northern Ireland, and it just

hasn't been announced?

Well, that

sometimes happens in terms of budget

terms, and I don't want to get into

all the technocratics of it but

often, when announcements are made,

people find that the money is going

to come there and then. I think

there is confusion as well because

people have seen this week a bill

going through Westminster that has

been called the budget bill, which

isn't about next year's budget but

is about tidying up and sorting out

the rest of this year's budget. My

assumption was always that it would

be after Philip Hammond does his

first budget of this Parliament that

we would see more of the money, but

we don't know. Also, we need to

remember that we are not just

talking about £1 billion of public

expenditure. People go on about the

so-called DUP money, as if that is

the sole total of public

expenditure. We need to look after

all of the budget and make sure it

is all well spent and better

prioritised, especially in the

context of exits, which is why we

need an assembly. -- in the context

of Brexit. Scrapping around for

deals with Tory ministers is all

well and good, but what we need is

proper oversight of a full Northern

Ireland budget. We shouldn't be

assessing just on this £1 billion.

There is all of the other budget.

I

get that, but I'm going to obsess on

it for at least the next few

minutes. Should there be some sort

of worry in this community that

deprived communities, mental health

has not been mentioned here? You

know, the financial year ends in

April.

Seat like Mark, some of this

money will be there in future years.

But year one!

There isn't a

government in place to spend the

money, and that is a sad reality we

have to get to grips with. The money

coming this late in the year, we

will struggle to spend it without

ministers to make decisions.

I don't

want this to get tied up in

confusion. They have made an

announcement about health and

education. Why, within that

announcement, did they not make the

year one promised announcement about

mental health and deprived

communities? Where is that money?

Let's take two examples. Talking

about deprived communities, today we

have figures in terms of

unemployment and economic activity,

and we have the highest levels of

economic inactivity in the UK. There

was a strong case for spending money

and I put this the executive in

April 20 16th and it sat on the

shelf, unimplemented we can get to

grips with that straightaway. We

have a high incidence of mental

health issues than anywhere else in

the UK, partly the legacy of the

Troubles, but we spend less per head

on mental health than any other

jurisdiction.

I'll go to the

audience. Where are we going? This

guy in the classes.

I think we need

to take this out of Northern

Ireland, and the fact is that the

DUP made this deal for the extra £1

billion. Our politicians are not

working together...

We asked you,

Sinn Fein, to come in and talk and,

no.

The DUP want to grow a set, go

to the Prime Minister and say, if

you are going to give us your money,

we are not giving you supply and

confidence. ... The DUP would say

that this announcement of the £50

million this year is a sign that is

coming. Reed where is the other 950

million? I know what you're saying,

Mark, there is a process of things

that need to be gone through, but I

grew up in deprived areas and I've

seen what's happened with mental

health was it a disgrace. This

country is at its knees. Politicians

just are not speaking to each other.

We need to say to the DUP, give us

the money or that's it, simple as.

Have I communicated tonight that the

year one money, which ends next

March, there was a specific promise

to give money to deprived, for

deprivation, and for mental health.

You get that? And they haven't

announced it, and it's November.

Yes, and as you say the financial

year ends in a few months, so what's

going to happen? Is that bill going

to be passed? Will that money be

here before March? You talk about

the processes we have to go through

the you know, how long do we have to

wait for this money?

Bernard

McAnanny, you former head of the

western trust. What situation are we

in here and how desperate are we?

I

am currently chairman of the

organisation Aware and I'm here in

that capacity. Hardly a day goes by

without mental health issues being

discussed in one former shape or

another, and the profile of mental

health, the need and understanding

around it, has never been higher.

Stigma, which is still a problem, is

not what it was like years ago,

thanks to shows like your own one.

The problem is that, with the

relaxing stigma and a better

understanding of mental health

services and need, demand is up, and

the demand is there at the moment.

There is probably not a trust in

Northern Ireland that couldn't spend

the money. What a pro but you have

been promised millions, as in mental

health has been promised millions.

--

but you have been promised

millions.

Let's take that back. We

should have an opportunity to spend

the money at the beginning of the

year. You should be able to plan

services. A big issue for the

independent sector is

sustainability, getting money on a

short-term basis, money being thrown

at you with two months left in the

year and you have to go and provide

services, to employ people in the

short term. If we have a five-year

spending cycle, the sooner we get an

integration is going to happen, the

better.

The money hasn't been

announced.

And yet is nearly over.

What do you think is going on?

I've

no idea.

Arlene Foster, could you

tell us, as the lead of the DUP,

former First Minister of this

country? You did a deal that is

propping up the Tory party. Where is

the money for mental health? Where

is the announcement? Maybe you can

tell us about where is this

country's money.

It's quite

important to say that this is up and

above the £11 billion block grant we

already get from Westminster. Give

me two seconds. Do you want me to

answer the question question mark 11

million, sorry, 11 billion of a

block grant, this is an additional

money that has been promised. The

government promised that, but it

will come. The problem being that

that deal was done on the proviso

that Stormont was going to get up

and running. Our local politicians,

the understanding was that our local

politicians would disperse that

money properly and rightly

throughout the department they were

in charge of. They have let down the

people of Northern Ireland. I

appreciate we need a timescale on

government. And we don't have it.

And James Brokenshire sends us to

number ten. When we go to the MIO,

they say, go to Number Ten.

I

thought the odd was that the money

isn't being withheld. That it's

going to flow. -- I thought the

argument.

But they are thing is

being deliberately repelled.

What

I'm saying is that I would rather

wait and make sure that that money,

that £1 billion is spent properly,

in the right direction, then just

bring it in and let it be wasted.

You cannot wait because your

You cannot wait because your party

made a promise in terms of

deprivation and mental health. You

have got four months to deliver it,

where is it?

The deal was done in

June, July.

It would be the end of

the financial year.

James

Brokenshire has put a budget and

that was for last year. The local

politicians could not agree.

Why

announce £50 million? That is the

heart of the confusion. If money is

being withheld, or if it is all on

the table, by some as being held

back, why is being released?

You

have asked a few times for Arlene to

come in and talk to the people of

this province and she has refused.

Anyone from the DUP and Sinn Fein

are not here either.

The only person

who can answer the questions as

Eileen, to tell us what is

happening. This money coming from

London is a drop in the ocean. It

will not help us. It will probably

not get passed through Parliament

till next year. Things will get

worse. Waiting lists will get

longer. Mental health will go down

the road. We need to hear, the only

one person who can tell us what is

happening is Arlene Foster.

Maybe

you should trust that DUP's

negotiating skills because they

secured the 1 billion as part of the

year and Nigel Dodds was recently

named Michael sheet of the year.

To

be quite honest, she has

disappeared. She will not come on

this programme. I have not heard

from her in months. She is the only

woman who can answer the question

is, when this money is coming, how

much will we get? This 50 million is

a drop in the ocean.

Like the talks

at Stormont over the last six months

this deal was done behind closed

doors between the Tory Government

and the DUP. I do not believe there

is a timetable. I was with James

Brokenshire today after the deal was

announced and I had the

understanding it was predicated on a

Stormont executive with ministers

coming into place. It is a disgrace.

We have some of the most vulnerable

people in the UK living in Northern

Ireland, some of the worst mental

health in Western Europe. These

people could be helped by this

money. There is no timetable. And

there was it would be announced, the

DUP would come out loudly and

proudly.

I am sorry, but there is a

timetable. Where is that? I know I

am being repetitive tonight,.

But

there was a promise made to this

country in terms of deprivation and

mental health that they would get

some of this money in year one. I

has not been a nice? What do we

think about this at home? Suicide

rates in this country, quite if you

will have been touched by that and

it is obviously devastating for any

family in this country. Those are

the families who I am talking on

behalf of tonight. Where is their

money? Deprivation. It is not beer.

My chances for kids who do not have

as much money in their pocket. Areas

of deprivation that could do with

the money. There has been a deal

done. Deliver on that is surely what

a lot of people in this country

would be saying, or at least explain

why you are not delivering.

When was

the last time the DUP was on this

programme or any programme? They

have a responsibility to the people

of Northern Ireland to tell us.

Let

me be fair to the DUP, they have

been on other BBC programmes, they

are not keen to talk to me at the

moment, that is the nicest way I can

tell it. I will continue to talk to

the people of Northern Ireland

whether they talk to me or not.

Go

ahead. I just wanted to reiterate

how urgent the situation is in the

health service in Northern Ireland

at the moment. I am a GP working in

Fermanagh, neighbouring doctors have

retired, it is impossible to recruit

new doctors in our area, general

practice is under intolerable

stress, we are finding ourselves

fighting to try and get services for

our patients who are on these

increasingly lengthening waiting

lists. That money that has been

promised that it should be getting

through this urgently needed rate

now. The politicians in some ways

are semidetached from the reality of

what we are facing every day. Trying

to explain to patients where they

are in these long waiting lists.

What is your first name?

John. I am

not sure, I have seen some of that

class, I am not sure if the people

at home realise what is facing them

in terms of waiting lists next year.

They are hearing some pessimistic

news about waiting lists are going

up. I am starting to talk to people

who are contacting me through the

radio show and other shores, people

who are in desperate pain, and they

are being told they need to wait one

year, are you saying that?

People

who are waiting are then developing

more mental health issues because

they are in such pain and under such

pressure, week after week, patients

are coming into me, can you not get

something more done for me? Then

patients are wondering why they are

waiting so long to see a Dr. The

reason is that the scene patients

that should have been dealt with

first time keep recycling back to

the GP again, you have not sorted me

out.

Are you not confident that that

money will be secured and delivered

on time? DUP has a lot of leverage.

They are keeping Theresa May in

power.

It is one thing to talk about

the extra quantum of money that the

DUP are supposedly going to get.

There is the entire point about the

totality of the entire budget that

has to cover all of the services

because the DUP 1 billion will not

relieve all of the people who are

facing all of the pressures on the

front line service providers, and

the people depending on those

services. That this right we need

complete control over a complete

budget

that is accountable, that describe

you need a functioning Assembly.

It

is all very real debating who is and

who is not here, in an Assembly

people have to turn up, ministers

have to be responsible for their

allocation. Is it totally necessary

for people to agree with what you

are saying, civil servants can make

the decision?

James Brokenshire

could make the decision. N last

week, it was just a tidy up, there

is not even a budget for next year.

How are we going to meet those

pressures in terms of mental health

and other health issues? People say

that education is getting more money

but if that money is not going to

schools and schools are having to

make reductions in services, then

that is wrong.

Is your party going

back on the deal? Absolutely not.

The deal has been done and the money

is coming. Why is there no

timetable? I cannot give you a

timetable. The issue with the

waiting lists, it is not just

because we are waiting on 1 billion,

it has been a decade of

mismanagement by our local

politicians and ministers. 11

billion of a Block Grant comes

through from Westminster. This 1

billion is additional. This should

be like a sweetener, if we had

proper governance in Northern

Ireland on the health service would

be done better.

Go ahead.

I have had

to wait one and a half years

regarding eye surgery, I am still

waiting to see a consultant. How

serious is it? I could go blind

within five years. If I do not get

the surgery I could go blind within

five years. And all I have got as a

Texas is juicy I am on a waiting

list. -- all I have got is a text

message to say I am on a waiting

list. Could you come up here? Sit on

that seat. This is what this

programme is all about. Can we get a

microphone? Now you have got the

voice. Just look into the camera and

tell everyone at home what has

happened.

I am a diabetic. I was told that I

could go blind within five years. It

took one and a half years to get a

consultant appointment. I just got a

text message to say I am on a

waiting list, they do not know how

long it is, I will be told six weeks

before surgery.

That is all I know.

Basically, you do not know whether

you are going to go blind or not

because we cannot treat you?

It is

disgusting. It is disgusting on

everybody's part, not just myself.

To both Sinn Fein and DUP tonight,

if you do not come into the studio

about this, it means you are not

able to look at this person and tell

her how you are going to help her.

Are you frightened? Absolutely

terrified. I work in a chemist and I

think it is absolutely disgusting

the way that I cannot even do my

job. I have got a partner and he has

been amazing, but every day I can

see my eye is deteriorating and it

is terrifying.

Health was promised,

250 million in total. No timetable

for that money. That is no timetable

for people like you. Meanwhile your

party continues to be in power. Your

party does not give people a

timetable.

Let us look at the root

cause of the NHS, especially in

Northern Ireland. We have for

massive hospitals within a 20 Minute

Drive of each other, because

politicians do not have the balls to

make the decision to close a

hospital, make one bigger, better,

treats people better, spending more

cleaning the roof than treating

patients. Local politicians have not

been able to get to grips with that.

Look at our health service, the

trusts, a number of trusts for 1.8

million people, it is a nonsense.

We

got this extra money to help people

like this lady sitting here. What I

am seeing... I am going to keep on

banging on in this country until

this country does get a timetable

until people are at least told where

the money is.

That is important. I

have tried this evening to see if we

could get a timescale for that

money. That is important and I agree

that he should have a timescale. It

is coming, it has been committed by

the Government, and the Government

will deliver on it.

Thank you for

telling us our story. Give her a

round of applause.

It is a live show. Just 80 from me

to the gallery. I think we should go

for longer on this, it so important.

Where are you, Melanie?

Everybody

knows me for fighting for cancer

drugs that they cannot get here that

are available in other parts of the

UK. I have been doing that for some

time. I was making some inroads, I

met this Health Minister. She

invited me and some patients I was

involved with to come along and

discuss a way to change the way we

access these drugs in Northern

Ireland, which we did, April of this

year. To be fair, this was found to

be not fair in 2015, it took a lot

of pressure to get it this far, now

we have no executive or Assembly, it

is sitting somewhere, I do not know

what is happening.

How has it

impacted on your life?

It impacts on

the directly, it is a life-saving

drugs. Even when it became available

in other parts of the UK it took

months to be adopted in Northern

Ireland and I am not 100% sure it

would have been adopted in Northern

Ireland if I had not put pressure

on. It is affecting all sorts of

people in the cancer community. I

support a lot of patients. Patients

are fawning up looking for results,

six weeks later the results are not

even there. -- patients are phoning

up.

It winds me up when people with

money can access services, people

without money can not. I came from

one of those backroads and I am

lucky enough to have money now, I

came from a background where there

was no money in my family, and we

are in a situation in Northern

Ireland in terms of the health

service where if you have got money

you can get private care and maybe a

better chance of survival, if you do

not, you cannot rely on the NHS. The

NHS does fantastic work but it is in

trouble and it needs political

decision-making and that is not

happening in Northern Ireland.

Just to the Conservative guy who set

about closing down hospitals and

making them bigger, one of the

Conservative 's main policies,

they've always been against the NHS.

As Stephen rightly said, if you have

money, why should you wait? We are

all human beings and we are all

equal. I've had two people in the

last couple of days who died because

of suicide, and you tell me you

don't have money for the National

Health Service?

I'm telling you,

sir, that you as a member of this

community were promised, as part of

the DUP deal with the Tories, that

there would be money in your one for

mental health, and it's not been

announced. Where is the 10 million

announcement?

Exactly, it's the

waste of a vote. I know for a fact

the Tories have a hatred of the NHS,

and I know the Tories don't want the

NHS. It's always been for

privatising.

As a Tory and a person

from Northern Ireland, I am proud of

the NHS. I am working class. We put

in a lot of money. It is mismanaged

in Northern Ireland. Four hospitals

within a 24 minute Drive, we just

need bigger and better. We need to

treat patients. We need a root and

branch, and our local politicians

haven't done that. It can't be a

money pit. We can't keep pouring in

money.

Just deliver on the deal!

They deliver on the deal.

11 billion

of a block grant.

Next year in real

terms is going down.

It's been

mismanaged by a devolved government.

TALKING OVER EACH OTHER

Looking at the real pressures in

health, looking at the health

service funding...

Do you not agree

that the NHS in Northern Ireland is

is managed?

TALKING OVER EACH OTHER

Melanie could the drugs she wanted

if she lived in Manchester. I have a

number of people that I know like

Melanie who can't access the macro

-- who can't access...

I'm not

letting this subject go, and we will

be back to it on the radio show for

as long as we need to. Give the

panel a round of applause.

APPLAUSE

Now, sexual abuse in football has

been making headlines since this

time last year, when former

professional footballers began

waiving their rights to anonymity

and talking publicly about sexual

abuse by former coaches

in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.

Our next guest, Paul Stewart,

is a former England international

and Premier League player,

and he's with us tonight.

Paul, you're very welcome.

APPLAUSE

How are you? Good to see you. Paul,

yours is a devastating story. You

were abused from what age?

From just

11 years of age, just before 11

years of age, for about four years,

every day.

And your brain as those

tragic memories locked in?

Yeah, I

mean, I try and manage it as best I

can, and not every day is a bad day,

but you still have them bad times.

It was something that I felt I

needed to speak out about.

I saw

this picture of you when I was

reading your story, and it's when

you see you as a young child like

this... You know, we know how

horrific sexual abuse is but, when

you see the vulnerability and

innocence of a child, how can

somebody do this? Did you understand

what was happening and it was done

to you?

I didn't. Just before it

started happening, I was a

happy-go-lucky child. When it first

started, I had threats on my parents

and my brothers and, when you are a

young child, you believe... They

threatened to kill my parents and my

older brothers if I said anything.

If I told anybody what he was doing

to me. Surprisingly enough, you

know, as a young child, you do

believe adults when you are that

age, and then...

This is your abuser

here, by the way.

That's right.

This

is Frank Roper, who is now dead. So

he threatened to hurt your parents,

to kill your parents.

That's right.

Have I said anything about what he

was doing? It then got to a stage

where he obviously ingratiated

himself to my parents and my family,

so for anyone looking in he looked

like an uncle that was sat there

but, all the time, he was making

threats to me and bringing gifts and

presents to my family.

Did you

anybody at the time, any friends?

I

just withdrew into myself. I didn't

speak for a year, and I think that

was maybe a cry for help, in some

way. You've got to remember that

society in the 70s, 80s and 90s was

a lot different. You know, children

were seen and not heard. Often, if a

child did speak up, the parents

would believe the adult, rather than

the child. It was very difficult for

me. I felt I was locked in and I

didn't have anywhere to turn.

When

you are that little boy and you put

your head on the pillow and you are

sleeping and when you are on your

own and you've got these thoughts

which you are not sharing with

anyone else, what does it do to your

sense of inner self, your sense of

self esteem?

It takes everything

away from you. You are probably

wishing, why me? Where can I turn? I

don't think, as a youngster, when it

first started, I was thinking of

ending my life but, as I got older,

those thoughts came into my mind

often.

To the outside world, of

course, you were living the dream,

because you progressed in the

career. A tough grip, football, and

you were doing really well. Ashley

Cole a tough career.

Yes, I thought

I'd put it all away. Ashes a tough

career, football. But as I stated it

manifested itself in other formats.

I hit the bottle, if you will, and I

went on to class a drugs. I don't

want to blame that totally for that,

because you make a choice, but, you

know, I thought that I'd found the

answer to all my problems, and I was

oblivious to everything. But when I

came down, I was twice as bad. Yeah,

I've realised now, as a 53-year-old

man, that it was the effects of what

happened to me as a child.

Was it

too easy to get away with it for

people like him?

I think so, yeah.

You think there have been many young

people who still haven't, for

whatever their reasons are, come

forward? Do you think this is

prolific?

I do, Stephen, and some

have come forward to me, some top

players that don't want to waive

their right, and I understand that.

Players who we would know?

Yes. And

that is their choice, and I

understand it. A lot of players that

didn't make the grade that just had

that dream, like I had, but wasn't

able to follow its because of what

happened.

Out of Frank Roper get

access to you? I imagine when you

are playing for a team it must be

difficult for a paedophile like this

to isolate you, because you're

always with your friends and in a

team and how did he get to you?

He

manufactured it so he would drop me

off last when he took us to games.

He would tell my parents he was

taking me to extra training and take

metres occluded areas where he could

abuse me. -- and take me to secluded

areas. These people are clever. If

they were businessmen, I'm sure

they'd be millionaires, the way they

manufacture their way into families,

and the way they get access to

children.

A child cannot consent.

There is absolutely no question

about that. I just want to know, did

you ever tell him the impact he was

having on you? I'm not asking about

consent, but I'm saying, did you

ever actually say to him, you are

evil western mark

I never got the

chance. Well, I probably did have

the chance, but he was still around

the football club when I went to

Blackpool as a young player, because

he was a scout there, so I had to

face him daily. At that age, all I

ever wanted to do was to play

football, and I didn't want to come

across as somebody that would cause

trouble at clubs, so I didn't say

anything. As I moved on, I didn't

see him. The horrible thing is, and

a big regret I've got is that, when

I was at that football club, I saw

another child with him, and I

instantly knew what was happening.

And I regret that I never spoke up

then. It remains one of the biggest

regrets of my life, in fact.

How can

we spot these type of people? What

should we be looking out for?

Well,

it's not natural for somebody to be

with an adult who isn't a family

member 24/7. The fact that they are

manufacturing to get you, or to get

the child alone, you know, ways of

the gifts, the presents, when they

are grooming parents as well. You

know, one of the reasons for me in

coming forward and writing my book

was so that people could see what

was happening to me, could see the

signs and hopefully spot it before

it excavates.

I know that, every

time you talk again about one of

these stories, it is painful. I get

that. We can see it in your face

tonight. Are you OK?

Yeah, I think

so. I still have bad times but, as I

said, I managed it. I have a great

family around me. I think I regret,

really, my actions over the years,

and what harm I've done to them.

That's a big regret that I have.

If

you could hear yourself. You've

talked on a number of occasions

about the regrets you have. You are

a victim.

I understand that, but my

actions caused a lot of heartache

and pain for my own family.

He's

dead.

Well, yeah, but I had a great

family network around me. To be

honest, without them, I wouldn't be

with you today. -- his actions did.

I am so grateful for you coming to

Belfast tonight, and thank you for

sharing your story.

Thank you.

I want to introduce

you to a 14-year-old who literally

saved her mother's life.

This is Melissa and her mum Clare -

and Clare, you wouldn't be sitting

here tonight if it wasn't

for the actions of your daughter.

Hello, are you Clare?

Yes.

You did

something spectacular. What

happened?

I performed CPR on my mum

when she had a cardiac arrest. I

heard her grasping for air. I

started calling her and she wasn't

answering, so I ran and got my dad

and I phoned for an ambulance. They

said, she is in bed, and they said,

you need to lift her off the bed and

put her on the floor, so me and my

dad did that, and she said, start

CPR.

How did you know what to do?

My

school nurse Eileen told me how to

do CPR.

Without your daughter, you

wouldn't be gay?

Absolutely. We are

so proud of Melissa. -- you wouldn't

be here. I would encourage every

school to do the same foot I would

hate to think another child would

ever be faced with that situation

and not know what to do.

I kind of

know that we have seen CPR

demonstrations before, and maybe

you'll think it's boring. Here is

what is not boring. You wouldn't be

here tonight. If your daughter

hadn't been taught it in school.

If

I wasn't told CPR, I don't think my

mother would be Getafe.

Well, I'm

glad that you are. -- my mother

wouldn't be here today. Give her a

round of applause, ladies and

gentlemen.

Well it's estimated that one

in every five people will witness

someone needing emergency CPR,

but studies show that very

few people will act.

We also heard this week that women

are less likely to receive CPR

because people may be reluctant

to touch a woman's chest,

so, inspired by Melissa here,

we set off to Lisburn to see

if we could equip the public

with what they need to save lives -

and all to the tune of Stayin'

Alive!

Do you have a particular name for

these dummies?

Yes. We want to check

if this person is OK. I knew OK? We

are going to look and listen.

Looking at the chest to see if it is

rising, listening for any breath. If

we cannot, ask for help, call 999,

this person is conscious and not

breathing. We need to start this

person's heart. Put your hand in the

centre of the chest, lock our

fingers, put our weight down, 30

compressions. One, two, three, four.

How do you know what speed?

If you

hammer the song staying alive. Or

count out one and two and three and

four. Two fingers, on to the chin,

pensioner knows, believe in slowly.

As you do that that's chess is

popping up and down.

The oxygen is

going in. Another 30. We are hoping

that the ambulance crew will arrive

and help us, put on a defibrillator.

How will the public do when you ask

them?

It is a confidence issue. They

are worried about hurting a person.

The worst thing you can do is do

nothing.

Let us find out how good

they are.

Could leave what you do

know? Just try and push down.

I hear

that you are a fan of Stephen Nolan.

What would you do?

You are checking.

Staying alive.

Whistling. I am trying to blow.

If I

was doing this for real I would take

off everything.

Take off the court.

On a first date? Look at the

lipstick you have left.

He needs

your help. You are going to let him

die? Yes. That is terrible.

Apparently you want more

middle-aged men in lycra.

That's according to a survey

by bike charity Sustrans,

claiming that 81% of people

here support building more dedicated

cycle lanes around Belfast.

With us tonight one

middle-aged man in lycra.

Keen cyclist Malachi O'Doherty.

Take a seat.

That is not like crab.

It is very practical clothing. That

is not a space suit.

Do you really think that the

motorist... Do you think I am a

middle aged. Do you think the

motorist is prepared for more cycle

lanes and less room for motorists?

The motorist has two big realistic.

We are faced with climate change. We

are doing away with carbon fuel.

There is a future with more bikes

and less cars. There are live with

it. It is the change that is coming,

they're faster, the better.

You are

not looking too happy.

There are

three people in this, motor

vehicles, cyclists, pedestrians.

Motor vehicles stay on the road,

pedestrians stay on the footpath,

that cyclists are the only people

who want the road, the cycle lane,

and the pavement. Not only that,

they make no contribution whatsoever

to this enormous expenditure for

their benefit. And, once upon a

time, when I came out of my

newsagent with my cup of coffee and

my newspaper, now and in terror that

a cyclist will come whizzing along

the footpath and bought me down. Let

me finish. If I had to knock you

over, I will tell you this, in every

urban area of Ireland, bicycles are

travelling at twice the speed of a

motor car. They are travelling at 34

letters per hour and the average

motor car is doing 15.

If I hit

George on my bike I would come off

worse.

When I got up, you would come

off worse, believe me.

Let us clear

up a few things. You see they

contribute nothing to the expense.

There is no such thing as road tax.

We heard this on your programme.

Motorists are paying all this tax.

The only tax I pay on my car in

Northern Ireland and the Duke is on

emissions.

The only emissions that I

generally as a cyclist, flatulence.

It is not an expensive contribution

to greenhouse gases. You pay your

taxes on the emissions that you

generate.

Forget tax. You represent

the cycling community. Every known

law of the road, red lights mean

nothing, pedestrian crossings been

nothing, one-way streets mean

nothing, pedestrian ways mean

nothing. There is an entitlement

amongst the fanatics, and they are

fanatics.

Who is the fanatic? Who

looks like a fanatic here tonight?

Somebody who is read in the face and

fulminating as if all the crime on

the road is committed by cyclists?

It is cars that cause more

accidents.

It is a serious issue.

Let us look at some examples of what

is happening on the road. Look at

this. Look at that. Who's fault is

that? The person in the car for not

looking when they are opening the

door or the cyclists were going up

the inside? Another example. A car

cutting in front. This is no

laughing matter, we need to take

this seriously, somebody could be

badly hurt. It is not just the cars.

That taxi was indicating, then the

infamous altercation with Jeremy

Vine from Radio 2. Look at this.

Jeremy is on this bike.

That is how aggressive this gets.

This is to assume that cyclists are

some kind of cult, that we are all

the same and that we all behave

badly and that people who use cars

are such well-behaved and gentle

people, in fact we have seen by that

any manner that George adopts in

this idle and that he is the

aggressive one and the car is that

vehicle causing most damage on the

road. As for the question of whether

a cyclist should have a camera and

photograph cars, the police advise

us to have Kamara us.

We could widen

this out. Cycle lanes. Where I live,

you have got cyclists who peddle

along the road, four or five

abreast, they take up the entire

roads, I am stuck behind them.

Something similar happened to you.

We saw you ranting about this on

Twitter.

Yes, and that unleashed 48 hours of

the most extreme trolling and abuse

that I have ever received. That is

fairly innocuous. I had people

treating me from California,

Australia, all across Ireland, the

UK. One person was treating me for

seven hours straight and at one

point accused me of directly causing

the death of a woman who had been

tragically killed, knocked off her

bike in Manchester, several hours

before I treated. All of this is a

symptom of the tension that there is

on our roads, on our city streets,

particularly on country roads,

between flocks of club cyclists, and

some of them are very responsible

and cycle well.

And some of them

take up the entire road.

They do and

there is no getting around them. We

all live in this society and sheared

the same space. There are certainly

club cyclists... I am not a club

cyclists. There will be times, two

cyclists together will be holding up

a car behind, but the car does not

have more right on that road.

We do

not share the same space. Whether it

is Belfast, Cork, Dublin, the

routine of a cyclist is to go

through a red light. The routine of

a cyclist is to go through a

pedestrian crossing.

You are seeing

cyclists break the law? Big deal. We

see lots of car users break the law.

You are not making a general

statement about cyclists. There is a

presumption that all cyclists are

the same, that we are some kind of

uniform cult, and we are an action

group.

The use to where a brown

shirts.

Who used to wear

brownshirts?

No, no, no. Not

acceptable. Not funny.

These guys

make rude remarks. Who does?

All

right. Ladies and gentlemen, give

them a round of applause.

He's been dubbed the golden boy

of Irish Country music -

with an army of faithful fans around

the world, two Irish number

one albums and sell-out

shows at home and abroad.

Playing us out it's Derek Ryan

singing Friends With Tractors.

# Sat beside a man from

Holywood California on a plane

# He said he had rich and famous

friends

# Yeah, he liked dropping names

# I said, well, howdy do,

that's good for you

# I dig a lot of those actors

# But you ain't got a thing on me

# See, I got friends with tractors

# They'll grow your

groceries, haul a load

# Pull you out and fix the road

# They're good at

slowin' speeders down

# When they pass

through from out of town

# I'll live out in the country

happily ever after

# I got everything I need

cos I got friends with tractors

# On Friday night, we hit the woods

Go boggin' in our trucks

# It's just about a guarantee

some good ole boy gets stuck

# Where I come from, you can bet

your butt a mud hole ain't a factor

# I'll sink mine to the floorboards

cos I got friends with tractors

# And they'll grow your

groceries, haul a load

# Pull you out and fix the road

# They're good at

slowing speeders down

# When they pass

through from out of town

# I'll live out in the country

happily ever after

# I got everything I need

cos I got friends with tractors

# I've been to fancy

five-star restaurants

# And I left there barely filled

# They charged me for the water,

the butter and the bread

# That gourmet meal looked more

to me like fish bait on a cracker

# But I'll stay fat and happy

cos I got friends with tractors

# And they'll grow your

groceries, haul a load

# Pull you out and fix the road

# They're good at

slowin' speeders down

# When they pass

through from out of town

# I'll live out in the country

happily ever after

# I got everything I need

cos I got friends with tractors

# I got everything I need cos I got

friends with tractors. #