Episode 1 Nolan Live

Storm want the lies an abortion. We are also asking, should bonfires

need licenses? What about these people who take their kids to school

or the shops and Debbie John is? Plus music from Valentine's Day from

Jack Pack. MLAs are voting to change abortion

law in Northern Ireland. Should be allowed for rape, incest or fatal

faecal abnormalities? It's a big one for our politicians. We will debate

this here in this studio tonight. Let's start with you. The country is

divided. The politicians at Stormont are representing the views of the

vast majority of people in Northern Ireland and that was proven recently

by a consultation of the justice minister. Over 99% of people were

post-change. We don't know their views yet. I am pretty confident

that the politicians at Stormont will uphold the rights of the child.

I don't know if there has been a shift change from the DUP or not.

Maybe some people missed this. Some commentators are saying it is

significant. It has the potential to be significant. The DUP are not

saying a definite no any more. They are saying that their Health

Minister will establish a working group and it will make

recommendations as to how the issue of fatal faecal abnormality can be

addressed, including if necessary draft legislation. It's clear what

they are actually saying. There is a problem in Northern Ireland and

women are not being given perinatal care. Over the last number of

months... Women have presented their stories to the politicians and many

of those women testified to the fact they were not given the support they

need at that particular time during a diagnosis. It is very important

that the MLAs recognise that. But the DUP are saying they might

legislate. I am confident they will continue to uphold the rights of the

unborn child. There is an election coming up in May. That is an

important time for those of us who will be campaigning to ensure the

rights of the unborn child are protected. They have proven that

today. I'm just back from Stormont. The debate is very clear, there is a

unanimous clip you that the majority of politicians want to protect

unborn children. Unanimous? I believe so. They represent the views

of the people here. We can see the DUP party, members of the Ulster

Unionist Party, TUV. We can see that they are clearly representing the

views of the people. Of course they are representing the views of the

people! They are pro-life views. That's what we're talking about.

We're talking about abortion. I believe we will win the vote and

there will be no change in legislation. Winning the vote is not

unanimous, is it? The vast majority of people they have elected

politicians to represent them in Northern Ireland and the leading

political party is representing the views of the people along with SDLP

and other members. Why is the DUP said to you?

I don't believe any member of the DUP will legislate to change the

abortion law. But they were putting forward that it is very important

that proper care is in place... I think this is significant. I was

speaking to members of the DUP its dormant today and is very clear, in

their presentation in the Assembly, that they are looking at this as a

life-and-death issue. What happens in a case where a mother has been

told, a tragic case, where a mother has been told, your baby has a fatal

faecal abnormality coming has no chance of survival? I think you were

listening to Doctor Ash today, no one has the right nor the

information available to say when a child will live or die and how long

that child will live, whether it will survive in the womb or how long

it will survive unborn. What actually was being said on the radio

today was that what should be pertinent here is the health of the

mother as well as the baby and if the mother's life is in danger or

indeed her mental health is in danger, those could be grounds for

an abortion. That is what guidelines are all about. I agree that mothers

who receive diagnosis in pregnancy should be given perinatal and

hospice care for the baby. But the question is, a mother who was

suicidal because she does not want to give... There is no evidence to

say that because there has been a presentation recently in Dublin that

looked at women in pregnancy who were presented with a suicidal

tendencies who were given proper support through the pregnancy and

one happy to continue with their pregnancy. But if a mother is

suicidal and says, if I have a baby, I would take my own life, do you

think that mothers should have to go to England for an abortion? In those

cases, as any person who presents themselves with suicidal tendency,

must be supported with psychological care is eye-catching treatment. I

don't believe taking the life of their unborn child will eliminate

that tendency. You are not from the show before Christmas we did a poll.

Only one in five people in Northern Ireland agree with Bernadette's

hard-line views on abortion. Do you remember your own poll? 20% said

abortion should never be available. 67% should be available in case of

beetle abnormality and 85% if women are pregnant as a result of rape.

But if the bid to change the law fails tonight, and that is being

predicted, can you not take that as a signal that the overwhelming will

of the people in Northern Ireland is that they do not want to support

abortion? It just means our politicians think that. How many

people out in the audience actually voted based on a party's position on

abortion? Most people elected in Northern Ireland are elected on an

orange or green ticket, and that's the reality. Absolute rubbish.

Politicians will tell you the one of the questions on the doorsteps is

clearly whether they agree with abortion or not. Many of the

politicians are elected on that basis and I have proof. I run

campaigns during every election period and the majority of people

here are challenging the politicians. Why do opinion polls

show that the majority of people in Northern Ireland do not agree? If

you say to somebody, do you agree with abortion on demand? They go,

no. When you say, do you think it is right that women should be forced to

go to England like George Horner said, if you have the money and you

have any kind of a pregnancy that means you don't want to continue it,

you can get on a boat or plane, you can go to England, but if you don't

have the money, that's it. But you would not be satisfied with abortion

the fatal faecal abnormality were raped, you want the abortion act

into Northern Ireland, don't you? I don't think it should be part of the

criminal justice system, it should be part of a health care issue. I

think we should trust the women who get on planes to go to England, who

take abortion pills, and trust those women who know whether or not they

can continue a pregnancy and bring up a child. Let me finish.

Bernadette got a good outing on this. Having a child, a baby, is not

just for nine months, it is over 18 years. And I know this personally.

Given that, most of the women who go to England for abortions are already

mothers, they know what they're doing, we need to trust women who

know. I am glad you recognised it as a baby and they are mothers. I have

already got children. What happens if you have to recognise an innocent

unborn child in the mother? She knows whether she can continue or

not. Better social support for those women. That does happen. Young

Mander. -- man there. There is a matter of equality. There is a big

issue of criminalisation, criminalising the theme all

involved. This is 1861 legislation. How would you change the? There is a

meeting of minds between the two ladies here. The 67 act by maps

pushes boundaries too far to far too many people. But there's a meeting

of two ideologies here. The extension the 67 act when women were

up-to-date with the rest of the UK, in Northern Ireland, we tend to be

more conservative. To get consensus throughout the political scheme and

society, you take a cross-section of the audience it tonight, politicians

need to be allowed a free vote. This is a matter of conscience and should

be treated as such. You think you all should prevent oil abortion so

is the logical therefore for it to be an offence for a woman to travel

to England for an abortion? Would you criminalise that woman? I pick

up on what our audience spoke about. Let's not pick up on that guy's

point. He was addressing a point made. When we talk about

discrimination and denying people rights, abortion denies an unborn

child the right to life. What this legislation we're here to discuss is

about is about discriminating against special-needs children

because they are special needs. I have asked to do is how many times,

I have lost count. I'm just looking for an answer tonight. For a woman

that gets on a plane and goes to England for an abortion, do you

think that woman should be criminalised all those people who

help her go to England? You seem to have such a big issue in listening

to what I have had to say. I believe that every woman should be protected

and I believe every unborn child should be protected. I don't think

abortion is good law and in Northern Ireland, we have a low here... So

should the woman be criminalised? Women in the UK should be brought in

line with the rest of the women in Northern Ireland where we care for

both mother and child. Every time I asked this question, is it me? A

woman that gets on a plane and goes to England for an abortion, and we

have seen cases where that has happened, should that be illegal?

What have you already heard from the Public prosecution service? It is

illegal here in the crime is committed here, then the law will do

that crime. It is a stupid question because I

have made it very clear to you that the mother and the child should be

protected and we have good health care for mothers in pregnancy for

the child. For some reason you will not answer the question with a yes

or no. I have answered it very clearly. It is so clear I do not

understand the answer. A woman gets on the plane, this is such a huge

issue for some women, and you are entitled to your opinion... Actually

I represent the vast majority of people here and I have petitions to

prove it. You represent the vast majority of people? Let us do a

straw poll. Put your hand up if she represents you in the audience. Not

a scientific study. We should have a referendum. I think that was about

four people. You have such a problem with the fact that you know I

represent the vast majority of people. You can come into my office

at any point. Let us have a referendum then. I can let you to

see all of the petitions that have been signed over the years. You

would be happy with a referendum where everyone votes to see if they

want abortion coming out of the criminal law in Northern Ireland?

The question about criminalising women, it is already the case where

there is a woman before the courts charged by causing her own abortion

by taking abortion pills. We cannot talk about an act of court here. We

can say that she faces up to life imprisonment because of that and do

you think that is right? The act protects every unborn child and the

mother in pregnancy and I would like to think that the law would

continue. You want to see women facing life imprisonment? If you

repeal the 1861 act what you do is you take all protection from the

pregnant mother. In Canada there is no abortion law or criminal law and

there was no more abortion than there is here and there is no

greater abortion rate than there is here and no later abortions than

here, it is part of something between a woman and her doctor. The

DUP and the SDLP have blocked a change in the law and they have done

that so therefore you should be respecting those very significant

mandates which actually would suggest that what Bernie is saying

at least has a populist vote. The answer to that is to have a

referendum and see what the people in a saying. You should lobby for

that then because at the end of the day of referendum would only come

about through an agreement at Stormont House I support the fact

that any democratic process, I think it is important that we elect

politicians who protect all of the people in Northern Ireland, born and

unborn. I support the democratic process and I think the democratic

process has spoken today at the Assembly when the majority of the

politicians will protect the rights of the unborn child. Would you

support a referendum? I would have to communicate with our politicians

as to whether I would support a referendum. With the right question

put forward. I need you to put your hand up. Go ahead. Just back to your

earlier point. How old are you? 19. My goodness, you look younger. Back

to the early point about a family member who falls victim to an

unplanned pregnancy and then may die as a result of it, will you deny the

right of life to that woman? APPLAUSE

I think I should answer that question. I am not a doctor but it

is very clear that a woman in Northern Ireland is not dying

because they cannot access abortion. All medical treatment is available

to women in Northern Ireland. The law currently actually permits an

abortion in Northern Ireland if the woman's life is at risk, do you

support that law? The law in Northern Ireland fully protects the

unborn child and would protect medical treatment to be provided to

any woman with a life limiting condition in pregnancy but we do not

have cases where women are dying in Northern Ireland or the Republic of

Ireland, so clearly we are looking at... A lot of women would love to

have a baby and I think it is really important to protect life and show

respect for unborn babies. If the woman does not want to take care of

the baby she can give him or her up for adoption. Marion Woods, what is

your view on this? In relation to the points you made, I would like to

pick up on that and say that I hoping through the DUP working party

that what they are going to do is develop hospice care and I would

appeal to the MLAs today to put their weight behind and go forward

with that in mind and bring in that care for women. I think we haven't

actually seen the draft guidelines. We haven't actually had the

appropriate care for women in Northern Ireland, so therefore

bringing in this rush to the gestation and the amendments is

inappropriate. Has the vote actually concluded yet up in the Assembly?

Tell me in the gallery, have we any smoke? There is no word yet. There

is no word yet. We will tell you if it happens during the programme

tonight. I have six beautiful children. I would never dream of

having an abortion, that is a very personal thing. I would never, ever

push my opinion another woman because you do not know that woman's

circum- stances and I agree with Stephen, I just wish you would

answer the question instead of just skirting around it. Just answer it.

APPLAUSE Which questioned?

About should a woman be criminalised if she goes to England. I don't...

She doesn't, do you? Sorry? I think the law here is very clear, it

protect someone children and their mothers. I am just intrigued as to

why you cannot answer that question. Stephen, does everybody had to

answer every question that you put to them, or be forced bullied or

harassed? I can answer any question I choose to answer. You are accusing

me of bullying and harassment by asking a question? Because I am

unwilling to answer the question as you would like me to answer the

question you are pushing me. You know your hardline views are not

shared by the majority of people in the north. It is very clear I am

supported by the majority of people in Northern Ireland. Most people

across the whole of Northern Ireland actually think that they trust

women. You do not know that either! Now you are saying the majority of

people support your view! Clearly there is a split in this, clearly

there is. Yes, there is, but the split is actually and you know from

your own opinion poll, 20% of people only think abortion should never be

available, Bernadette's position, when we go on the streets and asked

people if we know that women are criminalised if the country if they

have an abortion and they are horrified and almost nobody says it

is right. I beg to differ completely. They are actually just

going for the vote in Assembly now so as soon as there is a result we

will bring it to you during the course of this programme tonight.

Chloe Henderson, medical students for choice, you have heard us

discuss it tonight, in the case where there is a fatal fatal

abnormality, rape, incest, you know the cases we are speaking about,

should a woman be able to have an abortion in Northern Ireland? 1.I

really wanted to raise was how the law in Northern Ireland benefits

both the mother and foetus, but really across the world clearly show

that when you restrict abortion it puts the mother at massive risk. It

is much more dangerous and it is one of the leading causes of maternal

death in the world. How come Ireland has the lowest maternal death rate

in the whole world? The health organisation recognises that Ireland

is the safest place in the world from other to be pregnant because

they treat both mother and baby, and that is the most important thing?

People can Google this themselves and check it out by the way this

statistics used to be collected in the south of Ireland didn't cover

the whole, you know it better, the neonatal period, but since they have

changed the way the statistics are collected we have exactly the same

rates in Ireland as in Britain. My view is that I am not much of a

pro-choice or pro-life but what about the children that have

survived an abortion. I recently researched that and I was curious

about if there were survivals from abortion and I read in America that

there are some and America is a developed country. That is life and

that is life protected. That is because a woman doesn't have an

abortion. First of all, there is actually an awful lot of children in

this society whose lives are not protected. When you look at the cuts

that we have seen the cuts to children's services and you talk

about disabled children and Bernadette talks about disabled

children, the children's hospice that looks after 600 people with

life limiting conditions in Ireland, the children's Hospice aster

fundraiser and have charity shops to raise money for it. Those children

who are already here and severely disabled and their lives are limited

and we are not looking after them and that is just the disabled

children. Let's look after all the children! That is a fair point. What

about the Child poverty? S campaign about that as well! We are running

out of time. We actually help children and their families even

after the children are Bordon. At the back. Go ahead. It is really

frustrating me that every single question Bernadette has been asked

this evening she has just pussyfooting around it. Her own

views, nothing is her view that she has given this evening, it is all

what she thinks the public are talking about. To be fair, she has

come into the studio. She has, but she is not actually answering any

questions. I have made it very clear that I believe women and unborn

children should be protected in law and policy and practice. I think

that is very clear. Why hasn't she answered that you want her to? I do

not think abortion is right in any circumstances, it is the innocent

destruction of an unborn child and I think society should be providing

care. Any legislation questions you have been asked this evening you

have not given a definite answer in your opinion. I have made it very

clear that I think store Montes the democratic process. Again you are

not answering question, you are saying I believe, believe but... I

am answering your question. Hold on, hold on, I have a question for you.

Do you think women who travel to England for an abortion should be

criminalised? APPLAUSE

I think, Stephen, we are dealing with a very serious issue here,

which is life and death. I think every unborn child should be

protected and I think that Northern Ireland's law protects both mother

and child. Front row, go ahead. We have one minute left. I do not

believe that anybody has the right to take anyone's life, should it be

an unborn baby or not. At the end of the day you were saying they're

about children with disabilities, so do you believe that if a child is

seen to have had a disability in the foetus, that it should be aborted. I

think it should be up to the woman that is pregnant and she knows her

own family, she may already have disabled children she is the only

one that should decide. So, in answering that lady's question, what

you are saying is that if there is a minor disability and the mother

still feels she wants an abortion that you believe in the right for

that mother to have an abortion. I think that only the woman herself

knows what her own circumstances and her own family and her own

conscious. You do not actually know. You take something that you say is a

minor disability... What about the children who are born, which you

apply that same mentality? It is the same child. It is about a woman

having autonomy over her own body. What changes it? If I have a baby I

can give it to you and you can look after it but only the woman does the

work. I know myself of a woman who was told the child would be deformed

at the child was born perfectly well and the child is now 11 years of age

and living a perfect life and his mother was advised to abort and, I

mean, the end of the day, I think every child needs that bit of a

chance. I totally support your right to hold those views and to live your

life according to those views and your conscious, just like I support

fully Bernadette's right to support those views and live her life but I

do not want those views are imposed on the and the other women in

Northern Ireland who hold different views and that is the difference

between us. We have to leave it there. Thank you for coming in.

The vote happening as we speak in Stormont so we will bring you the

result as soon as we can. We have the radio show from nine until

10:30pm. We can continue all of these discussions on the radio, on

my Twitter feed as well. We will continue talking after the show

about that as well. And one other issue, because I know lots of you

are tweeting me, how do you get tickets for the television show?

Dead easy. If you go to the website, you will find a link there and that

is how you can get down into the audience. It's always great to see

you. We have a bit of fun coming up later on in the show. We are asking

if it's OK to wear pyjamas to the shops or underscore run. Lovely!

Lovely lady and more pyjamas there. What's wrong with it? We will ask

you as you are watching Nolan Live to take a selfie of you in your

pyjamas, send them into us. If you sent them into us, that's you giving

us permission to show them before the end of the programme tonight. I

have no idea if any of will send me any but we will soon find out. I

also don't understand this, apparently you don't send into a

particular Twitter address, you just put in a hashtag, there it is on the

screen. Take a picture of you in your pyjamas and we will see if we

can get the pictures on before the end of the programme. A minister

thinks there should be licences for bonfires. Republicans would have to

apply to their local councils for a licence. Jimmy Bryson, look at this

on our screens right now. With the local community be able to control

something like that? Would they say, we don't like the height of that,

could you take that down? All sorts of engagements should be community

led instead of by statutory organisations. You continually

demonise young people and one culture and there is no surprise

that people are entrenched in a situation and take the view that

they are being persecuted. So you are against licensing? It won't

work. It's an election stunt by the SDLP. Why wouldn't it work? We need

a licence to drive a car, watch TV. They want to follow the same

process. They want to create a system and bring into legislation to

give them at a block. That means, to have a bonfire, you would have to

apply, you would have to get permission. You would have to get

permission from a statutory body and if you don't pass those two hurdles

and young people still decide to do that, they will be criminalised.

What benefit does that have to anybody? Whenever young people are

being criminalised and they feel they are being persecuted. There

will be criminalised if they buy by the North. What's wrong with this

notion if the law is passed you stick to it? They are criminalising

themselves! The proposal is a very ambiguous. .12, for example, in the

document, it makes reference to the fact it would have to include in

legislation a reference to a possible incitement to hatred. How

ambiguous as that. What does that actually mean? Have you got a

garden? Can I go into your front garden... I can think of a few

things I can build in your front garden. I don't know. Can I build

whenever I want? There is a Stephen Nolan statue in your front garden.

You're trivialising the issue Stephen. Let's make a distinction

between traditional bonfires that have been there for a long time and

proper bonfires. I will drop you one second because Mark Davenport has

the result of the voters Stormont. Our political editor can join us

now. What's the result on abortion law? Stephen, the voters just come

through on the crucial amendment, Amendment 61, which would have

allowed for terminations in the case of fatal fatal abnormalities. There

are though it has been lost. 59 MLAs voted to reject and 40 to support

the move, two abstained, so no tradition of concern, they did not

need to vote, there was a majority against this vote. We know the DUP

in the SDLP were voting against the proposal. The Alliance and MLA's

like Sinn Fein were backing it. Was that as close as expected? 59-40.

There was talk that the DUP might put down a petition of concern. They

have done their homework in terms of the figures because with the support

of the SDLP and Ulster Unionists, they have beaten this proposal back

convincingly at this stage. They say they will now look at the issue with

this working group on the particular issue of fatal fatal abnormality

which will report back over the next six months so they want some people

over with that argument even though proponents of a change for saying

they felt that was a device to get them past the Assembly elections.

Thank you very much indeed. That's interesting. One second. This

community action there is to take down a bonfire, if there is a

bonfire built so high it will possibly endanger someone's house,

that will pollute the community around them, who decides to take it

down? You are coming to the notion of saying that young people wake up

one day decide, I will build a bonfire. Let me finish, Stephen. I

will build a bonfire that will set fire to your fellow Unionist house.

What I'm about to show you screen here is me making up! I was actually

going to you. I never said it doesn't happen. Are you watching

these? Who takes Guzan? -- these down. Nobody steps up to say, we

will do things that are negative to a community. What happens is a

number of young people get together. People like yours show another shows

and the media demonise young people and little persecuted so they become

entrenched in a position and any sort of community action to make

changes to the bonfire can happen. Licensing is not an attack on

bonfires, it's an opportunity to make them better for everybody in

Northern Ireland but most importantly for the people enjoy

them because bonfires are a big part of Unionist culture. But there is a

flip side to that coin and that is that it is a big issue Unionist

leadership. If someone breaks the license, who will seriously boring

and remove it? Are you saying we won't live in a society with the

rule of law? Nobody takes flags down on a lamp post. The reason this is

an issue for political unionism and leadership is because the primary

victims of this working-class Unionists. They would have to suffer

this in their community. It's unenforceable! Would you go in and

take a bonfire down? I wouldn't. Would it be good enough for Arlene

Foster to live in those scenes we just saw so why is it good enough? I

have to object to that point. That comment about Arlene Foster and Mike

Nesbitt, to say we have a higher class of unionism, I have to object

to that and say absolutely, that's not positive at all. I kind of agree

with you there. The present situation creates an underclass

because it tells these people, this is your lot, you do with it. It's

the same with working-class boys underachieving in education. Why

should their horizons be limited to sitting in a garden, making

bonfires? What gives somebody like yourself to say, you have to do

better than building bonfires? Maybe those young people want to come

together and build a bonfire. Obviously, we want to... Stephen,

what is there to fear from a license? Look at the commission.

That's completely different. Referring back to the will enforce

it, there is already a big stretch on public services, cutbacks, who

will enforce it? Will be the police, some low-paid council worker? Do you

think it's impossible? Know. But we should not come at it from that

question. There is a bigger question and it's about the deficit of

Unionist leadership. Why is Arlene Foster and Mike Nesbitt not taking a

lead on this? By other saying, this is your lot? They are not. If the

bonfires are not regulated, they are illegal. It's already stated they

have an impact on their communities, where they are built, the size of

them, the potential criminal damage to property and homes in and around

them. There is a lot of alcohol-related injuries around

bonfires. There is no reason why they should not be regulated. They

should be built with community consent and should not be decided in

interfaces where they will cause greater damage. Because we got the

result of the vote, we are running out of time. We will continue

talking about this on Twitter and Facebook. But in the meantime, give

our guests around applause. Thank you very much. Lots to get through

tonight. We live on BBC One tonight. Valentine's Day this weekend. We

like to the love. -- spread the love. Remember this from nearly ten

years ago? I never want to be without you in my life. The question

is... Will you marry me? So, that was nearly ten years ago.

They did have their special day. They got married. There they are,

look, and they had two lovely kids. There are the lovely kids as well.

Anna and Emily. Cheryl and Robert, hello. All these years later and

you're still married! Just about. What is the marriage be like? It

doesn't feel that long ago. It seems like yesterday. Ups and downs! Like

every marriage. I am just glad she said yes! We thought we would mark

the occasion and what we have done is we brought a band into the studio

especially for you two. We will all enjoy this band because they are

fantastic. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Jack Pack!

Sunday when I'm awfully low just the way you look tonight.

Oh, but your lovely. With your smile is so warm.

And your cheeks so soft. There is nothing for me but to love

you. Just the way you look tonight.

With each word your tender nice grows.

Tearing my fears apart. And that laugh that wrinkles your

nose. Touchers my foolish heart.

Your lovely. Don't you ever change. Keep that breathless charm.

Won't you please arrange it cause I love you.

Just the way you look tonight. And that laugh that wrinkles your

nose. Touches my foolish heart. Lovely.

Don't you ever change. Keep that breathless charm.

Won't you please arrange it. Cause I love you. Just the way you

look tonight. Just the way you look tonight.

Just the way you look tonight. Well, our next item tonight is a

fashion item, and ladies and gentlemen, who else better than me

for fashion? Word has gone about that there is

people going about in pyjamas and going to school and letting kids off

in pyjamas and people wearing onesies. Who in their right mind,

ladies and gentlemen, would be seen dead in public in a onsie. Can you

tell me? I do not know of anybody who would be...

APPLAUSE There has been...

Where are you going? Hold on! Wait till you hear this. There has been a

live television moment. I am serious and we have not rehearsed there is

so because I didn't rehearse putting the pyjamas on the live television

moment, because I have no choice but to tell you, because you're going to

see it. The zip is bust. Ladies and gentlemen, a monument to

self-neglect. If you want to know what a salad dodger looks like,

that's a salad dodger. The only good things is in means the shipyard will

be making more stuff, his onesies. There should be a better zip on it

than that. They haven't seen my nipples yet! Welcome! Good to see

you. Carole Malone, is there anything wrong with people wearing

pyjamas in public? There's definitely something wrong with you

wearing them. They could've got a size bigger! I got a tweet from Ian

Paisley tonight who asked me how your diet is going. That is just

because he has lost a lot of weight, hasn't it? But this is a serious

issue. Some women are being told is that for parents who are picking

their kids up outside school and they are in their pyjamas, it sets a

bad example. Should they wash and dress before they go to school. You

know some parents go to Tesco or Sainsbury's and these supermarkets

in the middle of the night in their pyjamas as well. We have been out on

the streets and checking out what you think. Would you wear something

like this outside the house? May be in a different colour. I think if I

can make the effort to get changed, everyone else should. Why would you

want to either, it is gross. It is not ready for me, I wear underwear

but I do not wear any pyjamas. Have you heard of the trend where people

go out of their house in their pyjamas and maybe to the shops. It

is more for if they are just going out quickly but I don't really like

it at all. You wouldn't do it yourself? I have done it, but not

too often. Why would you not wear that outside the house? It is

lovely. It is for bed when I am comfortable. It is trampy. That is

extreme! But it is. It is clearly an classy and you have other clothes so

wear them. I have gone to the shop once or twice. It is the guilty

admission. You know, first thing in the morning before the kids get

their breakfast and you are straight in and straightout but there will be

a big heavy coat over and you might see one foot of pyjama bottoms under

the coat. Have you just nipped to the shops? Yes! Are you embarrassed?

Yes! What kind of pyjamas do you wear? That is a personal question!

Would you wear your pyjamas outside the house? No, go to school. Right,

do you judge these women who go about in their pyjamas in public?

No, I think it is absolutely normal now because busy mums do not have

time to become pristine little princesses before they get up in the

morning and they do not have time to put on a full face of make up. If

you don't have enough time to put your clothes on and your make-up on

they get up earlier and you will do. But you have to feed and dress your

kids and it is putting pressure on them to look a certain way. I

actually think, if you are pregnant and you are having a baby, would you

want your kids to be taught by a teacher who turned up in school in

her pyjamas? You are pregnant? You haven't told everyone! No! Oh, God!

A lot of people know now. Congratulations. Would you want your

children taught by a teacher who has turned up in bed head hair because

that shows a lack of respect. One girl on the film there said it was

really an classy and that is true. What if your kids said they would

not put their school uniform on and they would go in their pyjamas? But

we want our kids plastered in make up our materialistic and getting up

half an hour early? To we won the wearing Gucci and Prada? You want

them to have standards because if the parents are saying to the

teacher then we will not do what you have asked us to do then would you

want the kids to do that? If the mums put it coat over their pyjamas?

They are going into parent teacher meetings and school assemblies. I

have had a thought and it was what would our new First Minister, what

would Arlene Foster look like in her pyjamas? -- ears in her onsie. Then

I thought ship bound myself what about the taiga of Stormont House --

the Tiger of Stormont House and then I thought, what about them together?

Arlene Foster is not too happy about Marty! They look better than I do in

my pyjamas. The guy here in the glasses. What parents where to take

their children to school doesn't affect their education. You say that

but education is not just about learning the 3Rs, it is about how

you conduct yourself and having self-confidence and presenting

yourself to the world and if kids see their mums not looking half

decent then they will look the same. A gentle man in the front row here

wants to speak. Do you want to speak on the subject or am I just turning

you on in my pyjamas? What is it? I think you can go anywhere and

pyjamas. He hasn't slept another ten hours and is not all sweaty. Nobody

has a right to tell you what you can and cannot wear. If I want to go

swimming in pyjamas, I will. They are calling these ladies slummy

mummy 's but we do not say dowdy dads. The dads are going around with

their bellies hanging out and with no self-respect. That is a whole

different show! These people with their bellies hanging out! It is

disgraceful! Ann-Marie. Give us a wave. I will cover my breasts before

I speak any further. You were on television sitting on your sofa in

your pyjamas. This is Minnie mouse. Do people judge you for your

address? You get up in the morning and you change your pyjamas if

you're going to run about all day, you do not wear the entrapping

sleeping in. She changes into different pyjamas for day and night.

What do you think? I don't want to be too judgmental but the average

human sweat is about half a pint of sweat every nights with you are not

changing your pyjamas in the morning it is unhygienic but that said, I am

a busy mum and I was on the show seven years talking about the same

thing and since then I have got busier and more time and I have to

prioritise my daughter's readiness before my own so some days I go to

chop her off and I am in my gym gear but I would not go in my pyjamas and

it is just me. I don't like it but I actually do I have change my opinion

and I can kind of understand why women do it. There have been some

were people watching tonight who have sent me their pictures. This

could end in disaster. Let us look at some of these viewers watching in

their pyjamas. He has his football kit on. It is

interesting how we judge people on their dress. We do and I do not say

it is a good thing but it does happen. If someone is, some of these

ladies in Darlington were keeping the pyjamas on all day and going to

collect the kids in their pyjamas at 3pm which means however many hours

of sweat they had in the night they had a whole day. Some of them went

to parents evening! Exactly. The kids need an example that is not a

good one. I think we live in a world of convenience right now and people

just casually go to the shop dressed in whatever they can and if it is at

1am, that is great because they are already in their pyjamas and they

should get changed. What about the fact that we do not call celebrities

slobs if they wear their PJs? I would like to see what I will be

called on Twitter tonight! Selena Gomez went round Paris in her PJs.

We will have to talk about this on Facebook and Twitter because we are

out of time. That is the hour gone. Thank you all for coming into the

studio tonight and thank you for watching us on BBC One and we're

back for another series and we will be back next Wednesday and I will

see you tomorrow morning at 9am. Good night and thank you.