Episode 2 Nolan Live

Over 1000 jobs axed at Bombardier, one of our biggest employers.

We'll also have live music from Newton Faulkner.

And prepare to be freaked out by this guy.

Northern Ireland was hit by a job cuts bombshell today.

Over 1000 jobs are being slashed at Bombardier.

Calls are being made for urgent Stormont action.

DUP Economy Minister Jonathan Bell is getting flak.

That's what we're asking for tonight. Adrian Cochrane-Watson, due

at early this morning because you are asking for the minister to

resign. On Monday after the fiasco of the renewable heat incentives at

Stormont and mess which the minister made of renewables, we asked him to

consider his position. As we saw today, did disappointing news, over

1000 people to lose their jobs. Real jobs being lost and you work

political point scoring within seconds, cheap politics while blues

-- people are losing jobs. We brought the concerns of the

manufacturing sector to the house in November. I raised those to the

Minister and he said I was ignorant of manufacturing in Northern

Ireland. This was in response to 1000 jobs being lost at Mechelen,

within 24 hours of his response, Caterpillar paid off... This is a

major corporation, a worldwide brand. Do you think they were

saying, wait, we cannot get rid of these jobs until we take a call from

Jonathan Bell? Cheap point-scoring about a real situation. My party has

raised manufacturing to the focus of the Minister. He has chosen to

ignore that, he has chosen spin, sound bites, jetting around the

world and ignoring the crisis in Northern Ireland. If we set aside

Jonathan Bell, a black day for East Belfast, a terrible day for the

region, our politicians doing enough? No? We need to get our act

together and there were things that need to be done immediately to help

people get other jobs. Why are you getting together now, you have been

in power for years. For people who have lost their jobs it is a little

late to release a statement saying more needs to be done. You have had

the chance to do more. There are reasons behind the Bombardier

bombshell, to do with the C Series, money which was put at risk and

gambles were taken, so we cannot be responsible for the global downturn

in aircraft sales but we can try to scale up our people. We are making

improvements and we have to support manufacturing. Quebec invested $1

billion in Bombardier, so they have doubled down. We have spent ?70

million in the last few years. Was that a waste of money? There are

still 4000 people there, there are still 2000 of the world's highest

trained aeronautical engineers. What is your response to the UUP calling

for your Minister to resign? This is a devastating day, I am not your

four ping-pong politics or for sad sound bites. There are 580

individuals and their families in the audience or at home wanting to

hear from politicians, what is the answer, where is the hope? When

there were job announcements you are quick to take credit and to say this

is what Stormont is doing, so when there were losses will you take

responsibility? You asked that question as if Northern Ireland is

treated in isolation, today's loss was for thousands of people

internationally. This does not just affect wealth that, it affects

Derby, Germany, Ontario and Montreal. It is a global decision, a

crisis within aviation and for anybody to give hope to those

individuals by suggesting that the second of should have done more to

turn around the global aviation industry... Two weeks ago Jonathan

Bell said there were no jobs at risk in Bombardier, how did that happen?

How could it happen in Michigan when we lost 900 jobs, and it is been

happening for the past 15 years in my city in Derry, we have lost

thousands of jobs in manufacturing and there has been no effort I'd be

executive to address those concerns. You are part of the Executive, so

you are criticising yourself. You are part of the Executive.

Criticising parties who did not seem to grasp we have 38% of students

leaving our shores each year to go to other places. Could the Executive

have done more or not? We have been saying for a long time we need a

manufacturing... Bombardier say there is nothing more that the

indicative could have done. What did Jonathan Belsay? I want into

Jonathan Dell the week before last going to Montreal again because he

is interested in securing jobs. He said he had nothing to indicate more

job losses. He told us the question had not been devised for the

European referendum. This isn't about politics, about offering

people hope. This is about people who lost their jobs... Hold on. It

is not fair for people who want to hear aspiration, who want to hear

what you guys in the Assembly will do to give opportunities. When

Adrian was writing political point scoring press statements, I was

talking to them is nice minister in Westminster, who will come to

Bombardier in two weeks to get the high end the C Series, to meet sure

what we have we can consolidate and grow. Young man in the glasses. I am

a local student and I hear chatter about people leaving Belfast to work

elsewhere. This is relevant in my case because I am going to Dublin to

work. Why? There are more opportunities. It is not that I have

not applied to Belfast because I would love to work here. What is

your skill? I am studying business studies. There are more

opportunities because I am a graduate who was applying at the

moment, and one thing politicians could think about is going to London

and trying to get corporation tax to go lower. There is a commitment to

lower corporation tax. You pursue opportunity but in this city for a

person who does is no studies there is now Intel, Tycho, Citigroup is up

to 2000, and those skills, go to Dublin and home done but I would

like to get you back here. You were the Employment Minister. My task is

to make sure we have the skills companies require. We can do more if

we have resources for that but in response to what is happening at the

moment, in terms of international companies on stock exchanges, they

will not tell a government about Major job losses because that will

jeopardise their share price. That is how this works. So for Jonathan

Bell to go out and talk up the risk of job losses... UID leader of a

political party, Colm, so can you tell me these type of companies give

a nod and a wink to governments? If this was a jobs announcement

Jonathan Bell would be all over it. You made it about him. I think he

has proven he is out of his depth but we need to re-skill those

people. Within manufacturing in the last year, 4000 jobs, 80,000 jobs

and opportunities... That is well and good. GTI hasn't hit the job

market yet. There are more going in May, were placed with 300 jobs in

the airport coming back in. Jobs lost at the end of last have not in.

We are talking about 580 jobs in shorts. Shorts last year lost nearly

800 workers that people are not thinking about. The move is one of

this May and concern. I heard Adrian mention when Mechelen went in

November. We have been calling for a manufacturing strategy. We don't

even know where we are going. With these parties tonight committed to

putting a manufacturing strategy for young people to have a future? We

have no strategy for manufacturing in Northern Ireland. Is that true?

Gareth is saying we have one, you say you don't. We have an economic

strategy which covers all of the economy. As you know, manufacturing

is a broad area, it is difficult to define where it starts and ends, it

has to be integrated. At present we have 80,000 people employed in

manufacturing. We had three major job blows. Would you consider a

strategy for manufacturing? After the next election I expect to have a

clearer focus for manufacturing. We have lots of time, I want to go to

the audience. Why do you keep pumping money into a multinational

company? Because we get a return and it happens all over the world. The

people made redundant today have not had any return. Use the money to

skills up. Just to make it a level playing field, do not think that

there are bus and I went, who have ganged up, don't think they are not

getting support and public subsidy. We have put money from Invest NI

into Bombardier. I still believe in Bombardier and that we can turn

around the C Series but we need to do it in concert. Why are we blaming

the guys on the help and not Bombardier? Now the people in

Belfast are suffering because of their failure in getting this plane

sorted out. An evil here. It is important we put

public money into companies that are coming from other places to set up

here. We also don't need to put public money into investing our

people and skills. We have 500 highly skilled people who will now

be out of a job. What are we doing about the 500 from next year? I have

asked for a meeting with Bombardier today. We need to speak to them. I

remind you that Invest NI created 9500 jobs last year. Created those

jobs. The highest number today. There is a big argument about

whether they promoted or created them, but that is a different story.

That is creation, that is jobs created.

We've a lot more of that, and also to spread it. I have just applaud

that. We need to spread it outside of the greater Belfast area into

areas... A lot of those jobs were outside Belfast.

I have met the people behind it, and of course we need to grow this.

The highest amount of economic recovery is because of investment.

When you are in the Executive, did you turn around? We are in the

Executive. When you were the dominant force? We have

decentralised jobs, and you have done is talk about decentralising

jobs. We are making headway. I know a lot of companies invest in our

city. What is fantastic, and we're a lot more of a...

How much has two brought into Derry? I don't know the figure of the top

of my head. They say proportionally Derry gets what it deserves.

Tell that to people on the dole in Derry. It is not Invest NI's fault,

though. Hold on, hold on. Of those 9410

jobs, 73% of them were outside Belfast. That is good news. Sorry,

you have just spent the last couple of minutes telling us that, how many

of those jobs Belfast?! I would like to see where exactly they are. I

would like to see them in west and north Belfast as well. Hold on a

second. What we need to do is on display in Invest NI. They are doing

their best. They have no tools. What is your alternative strategy? I

stood up in a budget debate in Stormont this week, where your

members spoke on and did not have one alternative proposals of the

budget. ?11.5 million. So what is your alternative?

We have starved the department. We are talking about investing in the

economy, and we have starved Stephen Fry's department, the department

that looks after... Where would you take the money from? Are you

starved, Stephen? The policies in place to invest in the skills we

require, but we do need more resources to make that a reality. As

your budget bin/? We have had cuts to higher and

further education, and we could do a lot more, in particular, if we are

to have a lower rate of corporation tax.

One second. Stop shouting over each other. OK. If you are at home

tonight, one reason why we are live on this programme is so that you can

pick up the phone. If you are one of the people who are going to lose

your job, or you have lost your job, would you pick up the phone to us

tonight? I would really, really like to hear from you, because you are at

the centre of the story. The details will come up on the screen as to how

you can get in touch. We are waiting for your call. Go ahead. I just want

to know what it says about the shape of the economy, with all these big

businesses, so going elsewhere. And people do not realise it is going to

have a domino effect another, smaller companies, and there will be

other job losses. I just want to know what politicians will do to

prevent big businesses from leaving here. Listening to us are doing

today, does not give much hope for the people who are affected. You're

the man he was calling for the minister to resign. I am the man who

is calling for a responsibility to be taken. That was the line from

your press release, wasn't it? This is a minister who is failing. The

manufacturing sector 13 priorities. One is low energy costs. We are

failing. The second is skills. We are failing. The minister is

admitting we are not investing enough in further education and

higher education. Your party is the party that worked

out, right? So you want out of this government. We did. You abdicated

responsibility, didn't you? We have a false type of government where

this minister can stay in position, and yet he is failing manufacturing.

He is failing... I thought you were trying to be responsible tonight. He

is failing the manufacturing sector Northern Ireland. The is failing the

thousands of people... I have a point of interest here. One

second. Because I am very, very interested in this answer. I have

said that you are out now, you have walked out. Is the Ulster Unionist

Party going back into the Executive after the assembly elections in May?

Yes or no? I can't give you an answer and not

tonight. The UUP has... Do you have a policy?

We are committed to having a two-week window to discuss but the

other parties, to develop a programme for government which will

deliver for everyone. But here is the really interesting

part of that. In other words, your decision is going to be made on what

the programme for government is, right? Is that fair?

Also to establish is a real commitment to move Northern Ireland

forward. To deliver for these people in Europe.

The only thing I find intriguing about that is, I thought it was your

party leader Mike Nesbitt that said that he had to be out of that

government until Gerry Adams and the Chief Constable the same page on the

existence of the IRA. Has that is gone now? They want out because of

it. Why you going to want back in and forget about it?

No, because of the action is my party took in the discussions which

brought us the recent cobble together agreement between Sinn

Fein... That was the first item on the agenda. The UUP now happy with

the IRA? Same ago we are not happy. But it was resigning matter. You

want out because of it. You made the right decision. But now you're going

to walk in without anything having changed. I have not said that,

Stephen. Is still a prerequisite for you to go back in? There was a long

way to go. We are standing to be the main party for government to deliver

for these people. But you see, part of my job is that, you are right,

you are standing for election. The party is. So therefore, part of my

job is to make sure people know what they are voting for. So for those

people that want to know, if they vote UUP, are they voting for a

party that up to now is saying, we will not go back into that Executive

until the Chief Constable and Gerry Adams is on the same page? I have

made a career of this position. We have outlined the vision that my

party believes, we set out a vision for Northern Ireland, and the first

statement now says, this is as good as it is going to get the people of

Northern Ireland. Palue and so the question about the IRA? I have.

Would you answer it again so I can understand? If people want of over

the UK and they won't vote for you if you change your position and will

go back into the Executive until the IRA matter is clarify, should they

vote for you? We will be insisting it is clarified.

There is legislation that is establishing monitoring paramilitary

behaviour in both the IRA and loyalist paramilitaries. Until it is

clarify, will you not go back into the Executive?

I think my party leader has very clearly established that. Well, that

was a clear answer. Gavin, I will come back in. Unless Gerry Adams and

the chief constables are on the same page? I think you have to listen to

my answer in its entirety. Vote-macro three. If we are voted in

as the main Unionist parties in Northern Ireland, will have a sound

mandate. People need to know what they are voting for. I started up by

saying, we're looking for hope. I'm sure you've not had much from that

exchange. Editing is any fairness given to the nature of

manufacturing, and the covering many factory strategy, we have the

materials handling strategy, which I shall we roll aware of. We have an

automatic strategy and a food science strategy. Do you know what I

say? Whenever people at home you are interested in the sorry that you're

leaving this programme tonight, 590 individual and families, and they

hear this nonsense, and here the squabbling, who cares whether the

Ulster Unionist Party to be honest, I going to be in the Executive not

come May? Because at the end of the day, they are looking for

opportunities. And they are looking for aspiration. I am not interested

in, I have to say, somebody who is going to promise the earth,

suggesting it is the's fault but their own, knuckle down, roll their

sleeves and do something. Do something for people Bombardier. Is

that Unionist unity in action? Who cares? The UUP to was that the

government, the DUP does not? I'm sure you are able to follow the

thread. I was given the example, if I am sitting at home tonight and was

told that my job is on the line... Was not a pact of the EU be that you

got your seat with? Just listen. Just listen...

Ten macro to -- APPLAUSE.. It was a pact, wasn't it?

I have to tell you, and I started off in this discussion, and they

will carry on long as that, I am not interested tonight, no looking back,

and I will be talking about Bombardier again and I shall

tomorrow, but if you want me to come back and took about these issues, I

will. If I am sitting at home tonight, and I'm one of those 500

people potentially one of those 500 further down the tracks, and this is

the discussion we're having, I think my heart would be broken. And I

think it is there that we inspire some kind of hope. We recognise to

the vet and implement figures are down in Northern Ireland. We have

had four quarters of consecutive growth in manufacturing, and we have

just had at the end of this programme, ?3 billion of your money

invested in manufacturing, but Northern Ireland as original as a

responsible for a global downturn and aviation. It is not responsible

for the decision of a public limited company in Canada. I think we have

to recognise it is difficult. I don't think we answered the guy

that ask the original question. I will come back here in I can. I

just want to go into the audience, I will come back to you. With the

glasses, go-ahead, sir. Northern Ireland manufacturers are

competing against low-cost economies. You guys need to be

creating the environment in which we do competing as low cost economies.

And up there, go-ahead, Sir? Last year, Bombardier last ?5

million. They invested about ?7.5 billion in the last four years.

Nothing Jonathan Bell could have said or done was going to stop this

catastrophe that has happened. All we have done in the last five

minutes is listened to a load of diatribe from people who are

supposed to be looking after our future. They can't agree on

anything. What chance have you got getting a strategy?

APPLAUSE.. I think some people at home might be

having their got tonight, is if you look at the last five years of

December, and think some things have been achieved, of course they have,

but can you really say the storm and has had its eye on the ball, the

maize tobacco, the welfare reform cell-mate, and then might just be

thinking, they have got the expenses this week, and they might just be

thinking, you distract yourselves with so much.

Well, I wanted to hear what the youngster wanted to do, because I do

want to say, in terms of indigenous industries, we can really compete

against the low-cost economies, because there will always want to

undercut, so we need to upscale and go for the knowledge jobs. I think

also, certain companies employ several hundred people. I would also

say, of course torment of its eye off the ball. Of course I am not

happy with how things have been. I have been a 14 month, and I thought

there would really enjoy Belfast City Hall. Now, I did not when I was

a youngster. But I enjoyed it when I was there in recent years, because

got things done and liver to the people. In my view, Stormont did not

do enough of that. I have a choice. I could stay in Belfast City Hall.

Or go up what I wanted to do and build a peace and create jobs.

But it is about credibility now, isn't it? And it is about the

population trusting all of you with their lives and delivering for them.

And even if we look at what has happened this week, we were running

on the radio show the expenses story. We were hearing politicians

standing up, saying there are now it is absolutely no story here, and

then your leader, the First Minister and Deputy First Minister all of a

sudden want to review because there was public pressure on the

situation. I don't set that. If you are watching spotlight last night...

I wouldn't miss it. Am sure that's true. You would have heard Jeffrey

Donaldson, and you can accept this point, because you have been through

all the processes of negotiation. We were calling through a review at the

time... You signed a fresh start agreement that actually said that

change was not legal. If we had refused to sign up to the fresh

start agreement on the basis of a disagreement of review expenses, you

would have pilloried us. You have to recognise that a negotiation, you

set out your stall and negotiate, and you give a little on somethings.

Do you think the expenses system does work like that? Well, I operate

under the system, as you know, in Westminster. I had a bit of your

programme this morning, and there seemed to be an issue about

journeys, claimed for milage. Actually, what we were describing in

the assembly is what happens in that system. That is not what they say.

If you have read the report, they actually distinguish between the

milage system in Northern Ireland and across the UK. And they

distinguish between GB 's, -- GB MPs in Northern Ireland peace.

They not think people have a question about Sinn Fein? This

?700,000, whether your party likes it or not, here is the score will

stop people want to see the research that they have paid for, because it

has now become an issue. Can Sinn Fein show anybody in the country the

research that they paid for? That feeds into the question about

negative perceptions towards Stormont House and people can decide

in May if I am doing a good job. Can Sinn Fein show people that research?

I was at a meeting today about the Barnett formula and had research. I

am a public servant, any money I get is from the Albert purse, there

should be no gaming the system, no malfeasance, and if there is people

should be brought to account. That is a broad Westminster warrant. I do

not claim any travel expenses. I am the MLA who travels the most in

terms of North America, I tried to get a flight from Boston to Belfast

last week and everyone should be held to account. If you put it a

fraudulent expense to the BBC, you should be held to account and anyone

stealing money it is a matter for the police. Gavin says in the fresh

start agreement you have two negotiate whether there would be a

review in expenses. Who was not willing? We put forward an agreement

and it was not agreed by other parties. The Alliance Party might be

an exception. Sinn Fein didn't want a review? I am happy for the system

to be reviewed. Did you object to the review? We have always said we

want to see the most transparent system possible. I was the first

leader on your show to say we need a more transparent system. It is not

as bad as it has been made out, most politicians are doing their best but

it should be as transparent as it can be. The appeal system should be

formalised for everyone to see. That would give more confidence for the

public. We also need full transparency on donations as to who

is funding parties. That's a whole other programme. What needs to be

done tonight? All the parties need to put in place a manufacturing

strategy for Northern Ireland. Scotland has opened a centre of

excellence for manufacturing because they understand growing the

manufacturing sector brings wealth to the economy. One question was

about low-cost economies, but that is where we're going. Minimum wage,

just above it, we are being driven into a low-cost economies and if

that is the height of ambition at Stormont, maybe we should forget

Stormont. I will put the economy where it should be but it has to be

about tourism and indigenous industry. Give us an exclusive,

would you be the next Economy Minister? I doubt it very much. To

you what made to be the next Economy Minister? Do you have a boat in

South Belfast? I doubt anyone here knows who I vote for and that is how

it should be. We can do a lot more but we have to listen to the

manufacturing sector. This is about families about to lose their jobs.

Manufacturing NI have produced what they feel is necessary, we have to

listen to those companies, not politicians all the time. Ladies and

gentlemen, give our guests a road of applause, they have agreed. A change

of tone now. Prepare to be amazed now,

because my next act is going It is this seven of diamonds, ladies

and gentlemen. Yes, it's none other

than magic megastar, Dynamo! Don't you start playing the audience

already. This guide, 11 years ago... Was it that long? 2005, when he

wasn't the big there he is now, he came to Belfast. Take a different

one. That might be your magic power, I have always wanted to look like

one of these cool dudes. You look like something. Have you heard of

being taken up a dark entry in Belfast? I clearly haven't aged that

all... But maybe we can have dynamite up on the screen. Looks...

What happened? A lot has happened in between. Your career has just

soared. It has gone crazy, I have had different TV series, travelling

all over the world doing magic and I have put together a live show which

I am bringing here to Belfast. Yes, to the SSE arena and we look forward

to that because I love it when you see a talent grow and that is what

you have done. Has the journey been difficult? It has been tricky along

the way, no pun intended. When I first got into magic it was not that

popular anymore. After years of Paul Daniels and David Copperfield, there

were not many people around, David Blaine had been on the scene but it

wasn't that culturally relevant, so when I started, I had to work for 15

years to make people take notice of what I do that now it is amazing

that people want to see my magic. We haven't met them rehearse all. I

read fuse to meet him. Actually I refuse to meet you. What are you

going to do? Have you ever been pickpocketed? A guy still tense of

thousands of pounds from my credit card, hacked into my bank account

but didn't take money from my pocket. I want to try something

cutting techniques but I will use my wallet. -- pickpocketing. In fact,

can you stand up? Have you got a pocket their? Is it empty? Yes. Pop

that inside. Can I keep it? I have always been intrigued by

pickpocketing but I do not condone pickpocketing, I just think it is

impressive how fast they do it. I will do it in slow motion so you can

see what would happen, so the idea is to reach in and try to take out

the wallet without feeling anything. I was fumbling. You felt me getting

the wallet but the thing I find impressive is the best way of doing

it is to reach in, take out the wallet without you feeling anything,

take the money from the wallet and put the wallet act in your pocket

without you feeling anything, so we will try it again faster, let's get

a close-up on the wallet. There we go. The idea is to put the wallet

back in your pocket, leaving me with the cash, so if I have the cash now,

where is the wallet? Where is the bloody wallet? No. That is

brilliant, mate. Cheers. That is class, it is. I know you will go

into the audience and do another trick in a couple of minutes. If we

look at you as a young kid, I was shocked, that lovely smiling little

boy, you were bullied in school. What happened? I went to quite a

poor school and I grew up in a single parent family, I was quite an

easy target, a small guy when older kids were going through adolescence,

I was a late starter. That was in and out of prison. He was always up

to no good so I didn't have a relationship with him, my mum was

young and I was an easy target. It was typical fleeing but Mike grampa

showed me some magical techniques to stop this happening, to give me a

defence mechanism. So it was your grandfather's love of magic that got

you into it. There he is. Without him I would not be doing what I am

doing. This show I am doing at the SSE is dedicated to him and his

story and my story and our journeys interweave. He would be proud of you

now. Hopefully he is watching from up there. And your man makes a

cameo. She does magic. She is 86 years old, still working magic. She

steals my show every night. You can always feel about a guest if the

urge anyone, and you were a nice guy who is doing wonderful things --

they are genuine. You made it in a competitive business, and you are

mixing with big celebrities. On my TV shows I have had... Prince

Charles, you did a trick on him. My company was set up with a loan from

the Prince's Trust, his charity. That is the woman from X Factor.

Yeah, Rita or, her jaw dropped, and Paloma Faith next to her. A bit of

rivalry there. Is it hard to keep your feet on the ground? Sometimes I

levitate. And sometimes you have walked on water. This shot we showed

at the beginning, there you are, so talk us through this. That was an

ambition of mine since I was 13 years old when I first had the idea

that it was because I was being bullied, the guys from my estate

would take me to the local damn which separated my estate from the

next estate and they would throw me in the water but I didn't know how

to swim until I was 16 so I would always panic. Luckily my friend

would get me out, so thanks, Wayne! The guy who was thrown in the water

as a bullied kid can now walk on water. I always used to wish I could

walk on water because I couldn't swim and then when I proceed magic I

thought that was in my ambition and I would do with on the most famous

river in England. You need to come to the river like them or go down to

Strangford Lough work I live and we will watch you walking on Walker.

You never know what will happen. I have Crohn's disease, I know a lot

of people have it. What is Crohn's disease? Without going into too much

detail because it is not the nicest to talk about, it is like having an

open wound inside your tummy and each time you eat it is like rubbing

dirt into the wind. It never heals and can be quite in comfortable. I

was in hospital for six months and nearly passed away, they had to do

almost like a last-minute life-saving operation, they left a

scar which from afar that's like a six-pack so I will take it. From the

time I had a big fight with a crew shark and a crocodile and a lion at

the same time, if the ladies ask, but I am here and it was while I was

in hospital I thought if I died then, what would people remember me

for? I dabbled at skateboarding, BMX, football, I wasn't good at them

but I was pretty good at magic and I thought when I got out I would focus

on magic and make it my career to leave a legacy. How about working

your magic on this audience? Do you want me to come out their? This lady

here, what is your name? Can you help me out? Give her a round of

applause. We will stand right here. Perfect.

So, I do here with your husband? Yes. Have you got anyone watching at

home? Yes, my son Ryan. And is on the telly! With me, Dynamo! Anyway,

check this out. So, I have some cards somewhere. There, and I have a

plan. I will give you the pan. -- the pen. I will start by giving the

card to shuffle. Shall we give them a Dynamo shuffled? We will do the

Dynamo shuffle on you, like this. So, the cards are well shuffled. You

can see that on the screen there. Are you happy with that, Anne? Yes.

Great. What I would like you to do is, hold this card so anyone can see

it at home. Write down your name and bank details on the! No, just write

down your name. Perfect. So we have Anne's card

right there. I will get a close up of that. Brilliant. I will take that

card, and water when used to do, Anne, is bite down on it. Hold it

right there. And I will take the next card, the jack of spades, and I

will write my name on this one. So I have got... Dynamo on the jack

of spades. Sorry, actually, did you get a

close-up that? Dynamo on the jack of spades. Nice and slowly.

No! APPLAUSE. If I've got your card, what could

you go? Take it out and show everyone.

Oh, no! APPLAUSE.. Thank you very much.

That was very good! A round of applause for Dynamo!

Brilliant. Thanks, mate. You're always welcome in Belfast.

Earlier we were asking whether Stormont is delivering

enough - but should it be handing out more cash to the arts?

That's what the Assembly's Culture and Arts Committee called

What do you think? Well, there is no doubt, Stephen that a vibrant arts

and cultural energy within the city is... That's what everybody wants.

But it is a pointer priority. Is it important to the people who have

lost their jobs today? Is the priority? Not really, no. You could

say that about anything in society. Obviously, there are things that are

more of a priority than others, but do you not want a bit of culture

around the place? Of course we do, but have you been

to the Ulster Orchestra? Have you seen how fantastically talented that

local orchestra is? I have, and I have witnessed the

large amount of vacant seats. Nobody wants to go to it. Not nobody

wants to go to it, but it needs to pay for itself. Why should the

public have to pay for arts and crafts that just don't really

generate any money? The key question for you, because

Beasley, you would be supporting arts funding, is, if it is that

attractive, let people pay the proper ticket price to fund it?

Let me tell you what is good about the arts. The arts inspire, the arts

Unite, the arts create. They give hope, they give happiness, they give

health. So let people pay for it. This is what they do for our

society. They bring healthy cities, they bring tourists, they give jobs,

they give confidence, and most of all, they bring people together. It

is something worth investing in. Did you enjoy Dynamo? Yes, you did. Is

that the way we get people feeling good about things? Yes, it is.

Dynamo wasn't subsidised, as far a by government. So...

You got one laugh. This is a serious point. The arts are what makes life

worth living. The people that are in our arts sector, and there are many

of them in the creative sector, more than there are in agriculture, work

really hard. They bring is altogether. You look at the Belfast

cultural circus, you look at the Lilliput Theatre from Derry, all of

the great thing is that they do. We should be investing more in them.

Come into the real world. When somebody hasn't got a job...

Somebody from the Conservative Party telling us to come into the real

world? Well, we are in the real world, Stephen. We are rebalancing

the books. It is a simple case of economic. We have to prioritise, and

to be honest, my priorities, hearts would be way down. Your dog new

jobs, about aspiration, what makes people happy. Jobs, wealth, economy,

being really, really up and vibrant, you know... I just want to go into

the audience, look back to you. This lady.

My name is Ursula Graham, and I am an NHS nurse. I think health surgery

at priority. It frustrates me every day, when I drive along, and you

consider the amount of money that was put into the big ball at the

Broadway roundabout. The balls in the falls? Why is that put straight

you? Because when you see the cuts in the NHS, the shortages, and you

think people on waiting lists, right across the spectrum, you think of

children's EMT, that is a priority. Mental health is a major priority.

The money could have been invested in live donor transplants. Think of

the amount of money that 500,000 could be spent on.

That is very important. APPLAUSE.. Come on, Basil.

So, last week, I had Lilliput Theatre from Derry down, talking

with people, with learning disabilities about what their rights

are in a hospital. Really powerful use of theatre. The do you know

what? If you really want people to be healthy, you must give them

confidence. All of our young people in the communities, what they need

is self-esteem. Jobs. Jobs. Stopper a second. I will

make the point. Here is the real issue. You want to make people feel

good about themselves, getting out, socialising. The you know what is

happening at the moment? People are doing it almost afraid. Most people

in the arts sector were below the national minimum wage, without job

security, and yet they do a wonderful job, and as the London,

there is far too much of our cultural heritage that is wrapped up

in London. You shouldn't have to be rich to go and enjoy the arts. The

artist preferably. It deserves to be supportive. And it will pay us back

in spades. Two two.

Those things first. I take your point. But when I go to visit people

in hospital, and there are ?1000 worth of our work, do a really want

to see that? Know. I want to see a new x-ray machine, I want to see

that space. You talk about job creation. With the arts and stuff.

It is not about that. That is... That is something we do when we have

extra money to go and do it. We have people who can't put bread on the

table, and you are talking about giving them money to...

People who can't put bread on the table. You are the party responsible

for welfare reform in this country. APPLAUSE..

There are ?11 billion I come from Westminster into Northern Ireland,

and that is why I am here tonight. How Stormont used to spend that is

why I am here tonight. The point is, it is maybe all right for rich

Tories to tell people who cannot afford the arts, don't worry about

it, while the rich Tories go to the arts, because they can afford it.

Let me just dispel your myth. I am from north Belfast, I am working

class, I have a chippy. I am not a rich Tory. I don't smoke cigars or

drive a jaguar. But do you know what I take offence at you macro when I

go to a hospital, and we are lacking in nurses, and they are spending

hundreds of thousands of pounds in artwork.

I would just like to say, the gentleman from the Conservative

Party, he seems to be annoyed at funding going to the arts. Do you

know what I am annoyed at? The Tories allowing people to pay 3%

tax. How much could that have generated? Had they not been so

lenient and multinationals? APPLAUSE.. Very quickly. We're

running out of time. The fact that the Executive can't balance the

budget has been proved time and time again.

They fight to the death, and then disagree on what they agreed on.

Given that the arts budget is about the same as keeping the Department

for health going for a single day, one day, four days the Justice

Department, does Basil think you could campaign for one or the other?

Because at the moment, we don't have money to deliver thing. It's a case

of have to and nice to. And arts are nice too.

A good question, but we will hold up a minute. Frazer Robb, go-ahead.

What do you think you macro I think it is important that the arts are

funded from the public purse, quite frankly. It takes very little money

to keep a small infrastructure running for people to perform, for

example, and a lot of people in the arts are working for minimum wage

offer free. But small theatres, like Black Box, for people to hone their

skills and give performances, to go on to become the stars of tomorrow,

are essential. We have about 40 seconds.

I will fly round the audience. To the guy who was totally about one

day being the same amount of money that would take for the arts, has he

any idea what actually happens in a day in the NHS? The things that can

happen for people lives? Life-and-death!

But arts make people healthier. You see, if you get people out with good

mental attitudes, loss of self-esteem, building communities,

building a body together, this is... There is only ?100 billion. Look at

the money we're spending on health already. Isn't prevention better

than cure? I will squeeze in this lady in the glasses.

Break quickly. Early on, we heard how much money MLAs were getting in

terms of their expenses. That is coming from the public purse. Why

are they getting that much money to claiming expenses when I could go

back to the public and give back in something like the arts?

OK. We're back to expenses again. I would like to actually talk about

this a little more, but we can't, because we have got an hour-long

show, and we're out time. Listen, that is about it for tonight. We

will come back to will be subject on the radio programme tomorrow

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