Episode 1 Nolan Live

This little girl was told yesterday she had to wait eight months

You can see they are filled with pus and stuff. I am going to have to

drain them. What do you want the dentist to do with your mouth? Take

So can Stormont really deliver on the things that matter most to us

Let's hear what they have to say for themselves.

Should having visible tattoos stop you getting a job?

He's the UK's most tattooed man and he's on the show tonight.

Former Strictly stars James and Ola will be our special guests.

And someone will be getting a very special surprise

Well, what do you think of the Nolan house band?

Welcome back to a new series and, before we get started, let's tell

Vinny is taking five members of the Ulster Orchestra away

for a special stunt later in the programme.

Today is the 50th birthday for the Ulster Orchestra

and they have been marking it with 50 pop-up performances

The last one will be for a special surprise performance later

Today, we brought you a new story which has made all of us

think about how important it is for Government to deliver.

Connla is six, and she was told yesterday she'd have to wait eight

After we got involved, and that was yesterday too,

that suddenly changed to eight weeks.

Who knows why? It might have been for the best of reasons. It really

did touch our hearts, this morning. It really did touch our

hearts, this morning. But it was her own voice

that moved us all. Morning. Morning. SHE CRIES. You can

see now they are filled with the pus and stuff and the blood. So I am

going to have to drain them. What do you want the dentist to do with your

mouth? Take my teeth out. There is a wider issue to talk about

tonight. This is just one example

of waiting list pressures. There are other bread and butter

issues like housing and jobs. So can the executive deliver for us?

Can the opposition hold them to account? I don't know. Let us see if

we can find out tonight. We have the executive represented here, a

minister in Government, we have the opposition, Paul, we will start with

you. What is your reaction to that story? I think it is appalling, and

just watching the scene, listening to that voice, cuts right to your

core. Let many speak as a father, if that was my daughter I would be

angry, I would be demanding that action would be taken and rightly

the family are demanding there should be action, and, it's

vulnerable people like this, that Stormont needs to be delivering for,

to be told eight months, would be devastating and unacceptable,

clinical decisions have to be taken. The DUP held the health ministry for

year, if we look at waiting lists they have increased from June 2015

to 2016. So on your watch they have gone up, and now you have got a new

way of working with Sinn Fein, are they going to come down? Well, I can

touch on the broader issue around how we tackle the pressures that the

Health Service are facing but on this specific case, as I understand

it, there has been a clinical assessment taken again, and there is

an emergency appointment process that is being looked at. After this

programme got in touch. That maybe, I can't guess what the clinical

decisions are, it would be wrong for the BBC or politicians to have the

power for able to say who should or shouldn't be given priority. As I

understand it, that is a process now that is hopefully allowing this to

be dealt with much quicker. But my heart goes tout that. Fa, because I

wouldn't want it happening to mine, that is the responsibility then.

This little girl, you convey a wider issue with one story as a

journalist, right. This little girl is very important, she is our story

of the day, but she is representative of a collective issue

that we all have in Northern Ireland, to be fair to Government,

there is no doubt that the amount of resource we have is not enough for

the amount of demand on the NHS. So are you lot going to talk serious

about it? Have you got a plan for Government for health? Yes, we do,

that is where in our own manifesto we committed to have increased

investment into the National Health service in Northern Ireland to the

tune of ?1 billion more. This is a problem which Michael had to grapple

with. DUP ministers have to grapple with. He said there is more money

needed in the NHS, you hammered him. It was your party who hammered him

And rightly so. When the DUP came in we looked at how things we could do

better half a billion more was found and put into front line service, but

demand on health continue to outstrip the resources available.

Are you going to hammer your mates in Sinn Fein, Michelle O'Neill if

she doesn't get it right, or is there a new way forward? Whenever we

have to'll with the issues it will be a mature and responsible way. We

went into the election saying we want to be in Government, we want to

take on these hard issues and that is our responsibility to do that.

Others went into the election and didn't last two days in the

negotiations before they walked off, so we have to take that

responsibility, I realise that puts the pressure on us, and we take that

very seriously. First of all in relation to Connla, I agree with

Paul, that the, what we have heard and what I listened to was shocking.

It has annoyed a lot of people. Connla is one of very many who are

suffering and waiting and continue to wait, people have waited months,

Steven, and are put back again and again and again, and Stormont are

failing to address it. They are continuing to fail to address it.

They have to plan to address it because consecutive ministers have

not addressed the issue. The plan is simple. We need to be focussing on

care and communities now. Get real. Sorting out the NHS is simple what

is the joined up plan from the opposition. We are working on a

plan. Rome wasn't built in a day. They still haven't published their

programme for Government. Where is the Government's plan, they are in

Government, Paul is in Government and there is no plan to address

these real issues. First opposition day, you only have ten, first

opposition day two of the three issues that were brought up by the

opposition weren't everyone issues that were devolved matter, did you

bring health up? No. Two of the three issues from the opposition in

Northern Ireland. Lightweight. There will be other days for those issue,

the two issues brought to the agenda. There were two. I am way or

the third, the two issues brought in relation to bank, real bank closures

and in relation... What is the devolved pourer you can hold them to

account? What about 68,000 women out there? The Government are not

discussing this issue, but it is important this is addressed. The

Government can have an effect that ensures the rural banks stay in

rural community, we can bring in legislation to ensure that rural

banks... State pensions you brought up. Is that a devolved matter? Ask

the people in the audience. Ask the women. You will find it's a huge

issue and it affected 68,000 women. The Government aren't bringing the

issues up. They affect people on the ground. So on opposition day number

one there aren't three issues, that the Government could do better on,

that you could have challenged them on? Absolutely. You challenged them

on one issue and two you gave them a penalty-kick. Rome wasn't built in a

day. Rural banks and pensions and I can tell anyone in the audience the

people who are affected by it will feel strongly. The women out there

affected, the women out there affected by the pension plans that

that have been left short. It is not a devolved matter. It a huge issue

on the ground. The opposition led on that. The SDLP worked to bring the

to the assembly this week, I would they many were happy with. Leader of

the Opposition Mike Nesbitt. Is that his official title? He is leader of

the largest party in opposition, so he holds that which is normal

custom. Are you happy with that? That is where he is. I need to pull

you up on something here. I think you are wrong about this business

about pension for women and the 68,000 people. We are holding them

to account. It doesn't matter. How? It doesn't matter it is not

devolved. Who goes knocking on Wales' door, our Government. So if

we lot walked out. If we don't hold the Government to account they won't

go to Westminster and knock on the door. That is how it work, they will

have to represent the 68,000 women who have been losing out because of

pensions, we should them to account. They hold the Westminster Government

to account. That is simple. That is what we did. For anybody to say that

was not an issue worth raising in the House. It doesn't matter if it

is day one or two. You only have ten. It has to be raised. An you

know it has to be raised. We are looking at this and I am looking at

this here, I am telling you no I look at Maria and I will apologise

for what this executive... Pretty you didn't bring waiting lists. That

is absolutely shock, I listened to your programme this morning, I swore

to God I listened to it and I was shocked by it. I was nearly if tear,

I think it was Stalin who said a million dead is a statistic and one

dead is a story. You raised a story for one which is a story for

thousands, and it is thousands of people in Northern Ireland who are

on waiting lists and suffering on a day-to-day basic, I tell you

something else, I have been there. I have lost family members on waiting

lists with this NHS. So we need to hold the Government to account. That

is what we are doing. Did you feel, Maria, you had local politics behind

you when your daughter is crying at night in your bed and you needed

help and you asked for it? The only person that helped me was Gerry

Carol. He sent a letter to the NHS, and he is still awaiting reply, I

was speaking to him earlier. That is People Before Profit MLA. I have had

no help from anyone else. What was it like being a mum with a child.

She said I don't want to go on. I don't want do this no more mummy.

What do you say to your six-year-old whose heart's braining my heart is

breaking watching her day and night. Last fight he was going mummy, it is

beeping and beeping and beeping. I take it sment it was throbbing. I

went sweetheart, I can't give you any more medicine, I had drained

them. I put stuff on them, couldn't give me any more antibiotic, because

she has had so many. I phoned four private dentists, and they said no,

we couldn't do it, we couldn't do it. I didn't realise that the

private hospital could do it. But I got a phone call this evening, and

the guy wants to remain anonymous, but he has told me he has been in

touch with the private hospital, and he is, said it will cost ?1200 to

fix Connla's mouth, and that he is going to phone them tomorrow and

sort it out and pay for it. Wow! APPLAUSE

That's an incredible gesture from one listener from the radio show.

Thank you very much. It raises an interesting question for me. If that

procedure could have been done in the private sector, do we need to

have a look again at the share between what's being done in the

public sector and what some private hospitals are doing. I don't know.

We can't talk about it on a live television show because it's more

complex. The health service have told us that your daughter should

now be seen within eight to ten weeks. Have they told you? No, the

first I've heard of this was this morning when you read it out. With

Connla, the dentist said, it will be eight months yesterday morning. I

went, this cannot be. Her face is swollen. When did they change? When

they told me eight months, I said, I'm glad I got in contact with the

Stephen Nolan Show and the next minute they were checking lists for

this week. They only do one clinic a week on a Friday morning at the

hospital. It shouldn't be the case that a reference to a BBC presenter

gets things changed. It shouldn't not for one moment do I want people

to have to turn to the private sector to get this type of care. We

can talk about the models, but that's lost on the public. Whenever

you need to have a need where you need care, that argument is

academic. They just want the best care. I want the NHS to be able to

provide that first and foremost. Unfortunately in this case, but

there are other cases. I was in a constituency, a visit on my own, and

they girl in a car crash, paralysed, and the frustration at having the

adaptions carried out by the Housing executive and the housing

association hasn't been good enough. I had a constituent that I think has

been on your programme as well, a house in north Belfast, and that

concerns me. What do I do? I have to look at the processes, the policies,

and help people with disabilities are being catered for, and I can

direct that type of change and look at that. With clinical decisions,

that isn't something politicians should get into. There is certainly

a thrust that there may be will be a new way of government in Northern

Ireland now. There is certainly a feeling that you and Sinn Fein are

going to join up like never before. Is that fair? We need to make the

executive work. Is it fair that you are going to join up with Sinn Fein

like never before? We went before the electorate and said we wanted to

be in government. Sinn Fein put forward their case and they got

votes, as did the Ulster Unionists and SDLP. But are you going to be

teaming up with Sinn Fein in a closer way? It depends what you

mean. I am there to do business. On issues like education, health and

the environment, we can with Greek -- we can agree on things. Will

there be issues that we don't agree on, of course. I just wonder if

people, with this new thrust of message to the public, which is that

you are going to be working... Even if I look at Michelle Neel's

statement tonight, that she has given to the BBC, she is the health

Minister, and let's just read from what she has said. As the health

minister, I don't consider it acceptable that waiting lists are in

this state. Just watch how often now Sinn Fein

do not criticise the DUP and how often the DUP dope criticised Sinn

Fein. Look at that statement from the health minister. It doesn't

mention the DUP, who haven't had the health brief for many years. Maybe

that's good, except that I would point out, when your leader was

standing for election, she said that her and Martin had very different

visions for the future. She warned the public, a swing of only two

votes in every 200 from the DUP to Sinn Fein would see Martin

McGuinness as First Minister. Now there is a new empathy, shinned up!

You didn't tell the public that! I make no apology for making Arlene

Foster First Minister... The clue is in the name of the title, First

Minister. But joint messages... We go around the globe and Arlene

Foster is called to speak first. There is symbolic significance in

that and I want to make sure that Northern Ireland has a Unionist in

the position of First Minister. It wasn't just about that but making

sure we are able to have as many ministers in power as possible. ...

In the front row, go ahead. I live in Fermanagh but less than two miles

away from a new multi-million pound hospital. Why am I on a waiting list

for nine months to go to Belfast for nerve testing? I could literally go

to one less than two miles away. Why waste that money on that hospital.

Behind you, go ahead. To Paul given, we want to be in government, we want

to do the will of the people. When will the DUP stop using a petition

of concern as a de facto veto on the will of the people and allow at

least a referendum on same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland? Can

you rule out using petitions are concerned overall the democratic

majority in a vote? No, I can't. We will deal with that issue whenever

it arises. You are entitled to bring forward whatever motions and

legislation they wish. The gentleman from Fermanagh raises what I think

is an important point, one where people, all of the services that are

delivered, they will want them in their local hospital, and that isn't

sustainable. I represent Lagan Valley. In Liz Burn, we lost our

acute A We have some of the best facilities in Belfast... That is a

big issue, but... Local politicians will demand our hospital has to have

every service in our locality and we need to do things differently. Are

you confident there will be a joint draft policy for government that is

an agreement between all opposition parties? The Ulster Unionists and

ourselves are working together. There are things we agree on. You

have to be able to say to the public if you are a real government

waiting, is our draft programme. Absolutely, but it's difficult to

provide an alternative to what doesn't exist. They haven't printed

a programme, it is sunshine and rainbows. What is your vision? They

haven't defined their one. If you look at my constituency, mine is in

the front row and they know first-hand that there is no out of

hours GP service in Omagh. That leads people to have to travel and

leads to logjams in AMD. -- in A There are ways of pain. How do you

pay for them? Don't be sitting there telling me... We need detail. I set

today. Stephen, I am answering your question. I sat today in the Public

Accounts Committee and I listened to how a dairy Minister, a minister of

Paul's party, sat back asleep at the wheel and squandered money. We were

told there is no money. It is absolutely amazing how much wastage

goes on with this government. They don't know what they are doing. What

you get from Daniel and unfortunately what we have from the

Ulster Unionists is a lot of an best. When you drill them down into,

how would you do it, you don't get the details. Cars a lot of bombast.

The SDLP have put forward this plan. Where is your plan? You rejected

this. You repeatedly left it on its own. Our plan was for the executive

to raise funds, to sell off an airport that the executive didn't

even open, so seriously... -- your plan. The only thing you have

brought forward is 12 days a year of extra hours the past that's a great

vision for leadership! -- extra hours for parks. That's a great

vision. Last week, we had our first joint state of opposition. Your

leader couldn't even show up. Not only on Thursday, but the second

day, first piece of legislation, the chairman of your committee wasn't

even in there. My leader was at the Labour conference. It's called

communicating across the UK and Ireland.

ALL TALK AT ONCE Your party have been ducking and

diving on Brexit. Hiding documents that told the public what the

reality was after Brexit. What do you have to hide? What do Arlene and

Martin have to hide? That is the question. Everything to hide. A

thing. This detail, Steve McCaffrey and yesterday on the radio, we heard

it. The document was commissioned by the office of the First Minister in

2015. It spelt out a lot of the dangers of Brexit. It wasn't

distributed among all of the executive at the time, it wasn't

shared with other ministers or the public. Your friend Martin

essentially said, they didn't have the DUP's consent to release it. Why

would you want it out there? There are internal documents on a range of

things. Often they are leaked but that one wasn't, why? I don't know.

Civil servants write documents and there is a lot of detail in them.

What did you vote on the referendum? I voted to leave. Isn't it a pity

that the man who happens to be the economy minister, Simon Hamilton,

aren't we just really lucky that he's been clear as to how he voted?

Isn't it just lucky that we have a politician in Northern Ireland

treating all of these people with respect by doing what you did and

saying, here is how I voted. This is the economy minister. Have a look at

how clear he was. Do you want to answer that question or are you

going to keep dodging? I support leaving, the party position. We are

three months after. There is nothing to be gained from going back over

the referendum. It leads me to believe that you must have voted...

If you are not prepared to say that you voted to leave, you must have

voted remain. It ran on and on. We have cut it down. Simon Hamilton,

how did you vote? I am guessing that you might have voted against your

party and revolted Remain. How about having the swingers to tell people?

How about us actually having the knowledge help our economy minister

visited -- voted? I have never spoken to him about this issue. Go

on, when in now. Whilst it may be interesting for journalists what the

decision was... Scrap that, Paul. I tell you how it might be

interesting. For a government saying there is a new way of communicating

to people, how about being straight with them, how about telling people

that one of the most important votes they felt they've made in recent

times, that our economy minister should be open and frank with them

rather than dodging a question. I want Simon Hamilton to create more

jobs in Northern Ireland, more investment. . Our economy minister

believe that we should remain in Europe? It's an academic question.

If elected -- academic question?! From May, 700 new jobs in Northern

Ireland, Xbox 9.5%, -- exports. 3000 manufacturing jobs created in the

last 12 months. I want Simon Hamilton to keep delivering. If

that's more important than the debate over which way somebody

voted? I would suggest it is about driving forward economic issues. Why

did you effortlessly tell us how you voted? I voted to leave. Why is your

answer not, it's irrelevant? You ask me a question, I'll give you a

answer. Why not Simon Hamilton? You can ask Simon. Again, he ducked it.

He did this! Which way did you vote? On the

referendum? Ooh! APPLAUSE

Think we can have a laugh about it if you want. Very serious issue. It

is, now like everyone else, whatever position people took, the decision

has been taken, now you want to make sure Northern Ireland gets the best

of... That was taken by the public without the necessary information

your First Minister and the Deputy First Minister who hid It is, now

like everyone else, whatever position people took, the decision

has been taken, now you want to make sure Northern Ireland gets the best

of... That was taken by the public without the necessary information

your First Minister and the Deputy First Minister who hid behind, in

the shadows, "I can't tell anybody in case she puts the decision has

been taken, now you want to make sure Northern Ireland gets the best

of... That was taken by the public without the necessary information

your First Minister and the Deputy First Minister who hid behind, in

the shadows, "I can't tell anybody in case she puts me in bed early".

What was Martin afraid of? He was afraid to release important

information. He said he was voting Remain. He didn't tell us the truth.

Martin McGuinness would say they were revealed in public, that is

what he would say. Guy up here? Surely it doesn't matter. I can't

hear you? It doesn't matter what we were told because we did vote to

Remain in Northern Ireland. And that is not talked about enough. But it

is about, if there is a new way of politics you get the straight answer

to a straight question, that is the point I am making. I think that have

to stop wasting their money and then they would have more money for

services. Do you not like the balls on the falls? No Why not? It is a

west of money. You could make it in your back garden. I think there is a

really important thing we are looking at. Facing me here is our

Government. And Paul is representing Sinn Fein today, and he is

representing the DUP today, he is representing our Government. So

therefore he is speaking for Sinn Fein today. We are sitting here, as

the opposition, trying to put our point across. It is not your point

because you have different points. We do. So you are not united. We

trying to hold them to account. The point that was made about it doesn't

matter about how we voted in the referendum and this document being

released, it is about transparency, it is about having a government who

are transparent, and we have already seen that when they spent ?100,000,

using a Royal Prerogative to enlist the services of a media mogul, I

think you know him, to help them sell a message. They did that behind

closed doors. Do you have press officers? Yes, Openly boarded were

they? We have no special advisers, You did in government. Never chosen?

They were boarded, we had an open appointment. For your special

advisers? Government. For our advice or. We don't have any special

advisors now. How many have you got? Unfortunately. How many you got?

Unfortunately... How many have you got. We will have the conversation

if you can calm down. He doesn't understand... You won't answer the

question. How many special advisers. Give me the space, we will have a

conversation, Northern Ireland are tired with the conversation,

shouting over each other. Both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist

appointed special advisers. Advisers. Don't sit now. We didn't

sneak about and change the law and didn't tell anyone about it. This is

typical of the opposition, the issue of the opposition has been one Mike

Nesbitt, more interested in where the Ulster Unionist Ulster Unionist

get to sit in the chamber how press secretary got appointed and issues

round Brexit. So, but in terms of getting on with Government business,

I tell you what is important. 700 new job, 280 coming from the

Department of Work and Pension. Public realm scheme, the Irish Open

coming to Northern Ireland, so while you get on with talking about these

minor issue, where you want to sit in Stormont. We will get on with

running the country. Give them a round of applause. We

will... We'll continue the conversation

after the show on Twitter and, don't forget, if you want to be

here in the audience, Welcome along, stars of Strictly,

you were, what was it like being part of that massive massive show?

Amazing, ten years for me, eight years for James. It has been a

roller coaster. It is a great show. So why aren't you in it any more? It

was amazing ten years for me, and it was, I was ready to move on. It has

changed a lot. Obviously... You were about to tell me something

interesting. Carry on. No, I had seven amazing years. Eight. Eight

amazing years, but, a new producer came in, started changing a lot of

thing, took away a lot of the power from the dancer, where we used to

get to choose the music, the costumes, theme the dance,

choreograph, it was kind of our baby, all the professional dancer on

the show are amaze, and I liked the drive side of it. When that is taken

away, I didn't enjoy it as much, and I was always... Sometimes you have

to move on. Sometimes you... The show is amazing, we love it. When

you do something for a long time, it is time... You certainly got

creative in the show, because I am looking here, at some of the stuff

in your book. Creative, you two were having sex in the BBC, weren't you,

and Brucie caught you on. He didn't catch us. He didn't catch us, no. We

got a bit frisky. When you are doing Strictly it is four five month, Ola

could be in Liverpool, I could be in Brighton, we don't get to see each

other. We are married you know. Know. Shock horror we are parried

you know. How close did he get? We met him in the corridor. My dad

might be watching this. What is he like to work with? Amazing, he is a

legend, he is a big fan. We missed him when he left! There are so many

of these stories behind the scenes when you read a book like this and

you start thinking, I never thought of that, for example, where men wear

it in their trousers. I couldn't believe this. I didn't understand it

was an issue. Yes. Can I say I have no idea where mine is in my

trousers! So why is this an issue? Because bodies are very close, in

ballroom when you take a hold you do get very close. I am not going to

demonstrate with you. But, when you do ballroom you your right side to

right side so our right sides are touching, so that is how we get in

this position. Now if I did dress to the right, she is going to feel

everything that in my trousers. That I shouldn't. So sometimes... Men

always dress to the left. In the ballroom world. You have to tell

them to put to it the left. I was going to do a show of hands of who

is dressing to the left but I won't. It is the things you don't think of.

Do you Sellotape it? How does it work? I don't know, you tell me, I

don't know. I have no idea. I have learned something. It is not just, I

guess, all of that type of stuff. It's a very sexy show and you

dancing with sexy people. Ola, do you ever get jealous? Of course you

do. You have to be honest with yourself, jealousy is very natural,

normal thing. It is human nature. If my husband is spending hours with a

beautiful lady, in the training room, and I might not see him for a

couple of days and the same for me. Vice versa. If I go away and train

with my partner it is natural. Anyone on the show who says they

don't get jealous they are lying. They are lying, because it is a very

intimate thing. It is natural. 95% of the time nothing is going on, you

become close with partner, very good friends, yes, there have been cases

where people talk about this Strictly curse, there is no such

thing as a curse, that happens in offices all round the country, all

round the world. If you like someone and you get close to them, things

happen, but the whole Strictly curse thing I don't believe in that. I saw

someone brought up in the audience about the issue of gay marriage in

Northern Ireland. Do you believe in same sex partners for the show?

Well, you obviously know that I don't believe in that for the show.

Why not? I have judged same sex competitions before and I am for it.

Do I think it should be on Strictly, no, don't. Why? Ballroom and Latin

dancing is about a man dancing with a woman. That is the tradition. It

is not about sexual or reason tasting, it is about the masculinity

and femininity f you have two men dancing together it defeats the

object. You have one man acting as masculine, the other acting the

feminine part. There are competitions for that, if they want

to do a same sex couple show, fantastic, don't think it would work

with the original format. I believe sometimes it is about ticking boxes

instead of sticking what is traditional and it is about a man

dancing with a woman. OK. Fair enough. You have to stay fit for

this. You do. I saw this, when you got injured, on The Jump this was

Channel 4. What happened? Yes. I, I have decided to do a jump then I

wasn't very good at it. On my third day of rehearsal, I snapped my leg,

I snapped my ligament in my knee, which I thought what is the worst

could happen? You know, I could break my leg but it was worse than

breaking a leg. Ligaments are quite bad, and... The ACO is the one the

footballers dread. It is a career ender. It was hard to get back.

There is a risk when you do the show. Skiing in general. Skiing is

risky, it is not the show that is risky, everyone on the show has been

very good and supportive, obviously skiing is bad, you know. Skiing is

dangerous. It could have happen on the holiday. I started skiing two

years before, I said come away with us this year and learn how the to

ski, then she got offered the jump. She thought what a brilliant

opportunity to learn how to ski from the best skiers in the world, some

of then, the teachers, and people think, she was jumping, she wasn't,

she was doing a snow plough down and fell awkwardly and it's the silly

awkward falls. My balance is not very good. What is going to happen,

you want kids now? Now? I don't know, no, yeah, I think so, no

pressure. I like practising. Like practising. Stop it. So Brucie tells

me! Thank you very much for coming in. Thank you very much. Is There is

the book. Give them a round of applause. Thank you very much.

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Should having visible tattoos stop you getting a job?

Former star of The Apprentice Margaret Mountford has warned young

people that having tattoos will kill their career prospects.

Is she right, or is she just old fashioned?

In the studio live tonight is a man who has 80%

We will try to find him a little. We can see your face so far. Good to

see you. 80% of your body. Also joining me is journalist Paul

Martin, who is no fan of tattoos. We will see that shot in a second.

Why would you put 80% of your body, covered in tattoos I loved art from

a young age, I didn't set out on this journey at this young age. I

knew I would have art on my body. Why with you crying out for it? I

saw Maori people in New Zealand, I have family in Australia and I am

very well travelled, well educated. I knew I was going to have artwork

on my body. Let me ask you a question. Hold on,

I am just looking. Your skin here, there it is, up your chest. All over

you. Everyone your eye ball. Of course you are crying fourth

attention I have chose do this. You are hardly going to mix in with the

crowd It has been round for many a year, go back 10,000 years, beyond,

they found the ice man he has symbols of religious tattooing on

his body. They are personal to every individual who has them.

APPLAUSE We will get your view, what we are

talking about is we will hold you back from getting a job. What do you

think? It should do. It should do, because in the real world, I mean

this for a start this is not art, this is a freak show. It is not, it

is not something, listen... Why would you be rude? I am not trying

to be, I am giving you the normal person in the real world, people

will look at this man and I am sure he is most intelligent man, I don't

know what he is like but people form opinions based on how they see

somebody. 7% of how you perceive someone is from what they say, the

rest is from how they look, so you are meetly, it is like self

sabotage. I don't know why you want to do it to yourself. One in three

people have tattoo, there is a generation gap. You are not much

older than myself, but people like mounted for, he is elder, so younger

people will be employing, I employ people without tattoos.

In the extreme end but I have friends that go to tattoo

conventions and they only have one or two on their arm. In most

companies and businesses, they'd think, this guy is going to

intimidate people. Customer macro I own a property management company.

Some have tattoos on their necks. Appearances don't stop people,

people stop people. In the real world, people would look at you and

feel intimidated, they might think you'd be them up. That's your

choice. If we do an opinion poll in this audience, how many people would

think I'd be them up based on my appearance? A lot of people would

feel intimidated. I'm a young retired professional wreckers --

wrestler. You have got black in your eyeballs. It's a medical procedure

and they don't tattoo the eyeball. It's a medical procedure with a

syringe. It's very dangerous and people that have it done look into

it. It's like Frankenstein. Frankenstein created a monster but

I'm human. We are all the same underneath. If I was to do retail

work, I could stack shelves. The guy here in the bid, go ahead. It's the

21st century. Tattoos have come a long way, from being defined as dogs

to body art, and it's fantastic. Suffice to say to somebody with the

exact same experience and can get a job easier than I can. -- defined as

thugs. That is what will happen. I work hard.

ALL TALK AT ONCE Lets see your tattoo. This is the

first time my mum is seen my tattoo. So he knows it's a mistake. Why

haven't you told your mum? Because it's a taboo and I was scared until

now to say it. APPLAUSE The lady beside you, go

ahead. At the end of the day, its body art and an artistic expression

and your experience and jobs at nothing to do with your appearance.

It's so judgmental of people to look at him and think, he could never get

a job, or I to judge him because of how he looks. I have piercings all

over my face. I have tattoos all over me. However, if you went in

with all these tattoos over your face... Why? What is wrong with him?

Is self sabotage. It's something psychologically wrong. It's a

lifestyle choice. I changed my name to Mr Body Art because it's my

identity. What is your full name? King of ink land. That is an

identity. King of ink land... The extreme life choice. It's my name.

Without a name, you have no identity. So you ring up somebody,

hello, two chicken and chips, peas and gravy, what's the name? King of

body art, King of ink land... My local Chinese and pizza place no me

anyway. Woods the lady in the glasses. What does he think of

children getting body art like that. If he had children, how would he

feel? You have to be somewhat, you know, have a... You have to be

careful with children because the legal age to be tattooed is 18 but,

if children take an interest... That's not at all the parents that

don't spend with their children. How many tattooed parents are there that

might have one tattoo? The extreme end, people covered in tattoos, some

of them have three or four children. Let's have a look at you before you

got these tattoos. He's same person. I find that bizarre, because

actually what you have done is effectively sabotaged those looks. A

great looking guy, lovely person. Still a great looking guy, or

colourful. Is screaming for attention. Everybody look at me, be

intimidated by me. You've got your torture done blue. My whole body! --

todger. We decided that block colour in. Why change the colour? It's the

colour of my football team. You've got to have a sense of humour.

You've only got one life. I'm wondering what I would look like

with... A tattoo on your todger? What would I look like with a

tattoo? You look better. I actually think that's quite cool. Just a

question... . Paul Martin. If that guy was the only surgeon in this

country that could perform a life-saving operation on you, would

you refuse them cost of his appearance? I wouldn't, but he

probably wouldn't have the job. I went to university. I'm a successful

self-employed person and I have a customer base -- in a customer based

business where I meet members of the public every day. Not one person is

intimidated by my ink. ALL TALK AT ONCE

What are your tattoos? Just on my arms at the minute. And I'm proud of

them. I think that you are so judgmental and the fact is that I

can go round my customers and not once do they mention, though, you've

got tattoos, I don't want you providing a service any more. You're

a local businessman, would you employ somebody with tattoos? When

you are taking somebody on in a customer focused role you have to

think of what their perception is, and I've taken people on that have

spider webs. Were they the best qualified? He seems like a decent

guy but I wouldn't and that is just being honest. I think the days of

judging people because of their body art are gone. It's now a sign of

creativity. To be honest, the issue should be laid at the feet of the

people who are judgmental, the people with the prejudice, because

it isn't fair to take away the human rights of people who choose to

express themselves in this way. I'm more of them did I really bad tan,

to be frank. -- more offended. This is body jewellery, a different type

of modification. It's a hole. And you have a bump here... It's

three-dimensional art. It under your skin. It under my hand. It's

three-dimensional art, so it's not just about tattooing. Ladies and

gentlemen, a round of applause. Before we end tonight, it's time

for our special secret stunt involving the Ulster Orchestra,

who are celebrating their 50th birthday today with 50

pop-up performances. We asked you to nominate somebody

special who would love a surprise. But before all that let's

have a sneaky peek at the target for the surprise -

there she is, Valerie Kirk. Let's see if we can see her. That is

Valerie, sitting there. No idea that we are coming to her in a few

seconds. She's going to get a shock. And she is with her daughter,

Lindsey. Valerie Kirk, Valerie Kirk. Valerie Kirk, it's Stephen. You are

live. Valerie Kirk. On BBC One. Vinny? We are just outside the Duke

of York pub in Belfast. Make your way down here with the orchestra.

Valerie's daughter is here. Lindsey, tell us why you wanted to do this

for your mum. It's been a difficult year for the family because we lost

my dad suddenly in February. Things have been turned upside down a bit.

We wanted to do something that would be nice for her. Something different

and fun. All she does is looked after everybody else. How do you

think she's going to react when we surprised her? I think I'll be in a

lot of trouble. I thought I'd get away with it but I might not! Let's

go back to Stephen. Obviously she couldn't hear me be first-time so

let's this time. Will we do it now? Valerie Kirk! Valerie Kirk! You are

live on BBC One. Hello, Valerie. We have got a big surprise for you.

It's partly to blame, your daughter Lindsey. Lindsey, come in here, come

on ahead. It is the Ulster Orchestra's 50th first read so they

are going to perform along with Peter Corrie. What do you think? Is

she in trouble? Absolutely. Give her a big cheer, everybody. The Ulster

Orchestra and Peter Corry, take it away.

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