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Welcome back and welcome to Outside Source. Theresa May will be meeting


Donald Trump tomorrow, and she has already addressed his Republican


colleagues. We have the opportunity, indeed the responsibility, to renew


the special relationship for this new age. A few hours before, on the


same stage, the president addressed the same Republican gathering after


a diplomatic spat on Twitter. He spoke about a meeting with the


Mexican president, that's off. Unless Mexico is going to treat the


United States fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless,


and I want to go a different route. He also touched on Obamacare, which


millions of Americans rely on for health coverage. We will have a


report from Nick Bryant on what might happen if it is scrapped. I


have to have health in order to survive. If I don't have that health


care, if he gets rid of it, I'm dead in the water. Actually and we will


be live at the State Department, where the entire senior management


team has resigned. Barbara Plett will explain that one for our


struggle -- for us. How about this for a headline from the Washington


Post - when it was put on nine, it was shared thousands of times every


minute. The entire senior management team has resigned. Barbara


Plett-Usher can explain. What is the story? Well, yes, senior members of


the management team have resigned. Actually, Ros, it is not so unusual,


whenever there is a change of administration, fulfilling these


kinds of postings, which are appointed for term limits, have to


offer their letter of resignation. It is not unusual, especially for


senior people, to be kept on for a to smooth the transition in the


State Department. But in this case, all of these people were apparently


told, we don't need you, and so they are leaving. It means that the


incoming Secretary of State will have quite a void at the top, and


these are jobs that are needed to manage the State Department building


and the State Department overseas, the foreign missions, complete


experience receives, something that will have to be done fairly quickly.


And the labour union that represents these four service officers said,


yes, this is a regular rotation, but it is a large number of people


leaving in a short period of time, and they have rare skills which you


cannot really find outside of the foreign service. So they expect the


Secretary of State to be able to find other people within the State


Department to fill these positions, strongly suggesting that that is


where he should look, rather than trying to bring somebody in from the


outside. It is all about how this place is run and how effective it


can be. We do not actually have the Secretary of State yet, he has not


been confirmed yet. The latest we have heard is that that process will


start on the Senate floor on Monday evening. I want to ask you know


about this increasingly tense relationship between Mexico and the


US. And what Donald Trump said earlier, here is some of it... The


president of Mexico and myself have agreed to cancel a planned meeting


scheduled for next week. Unless Mexico is going to treat the United


States fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless, and I


want to go a different route. I have no choice. Barbara, I guess there is


an inevitability to this meeting being cancelled, given the rhetoric


from both sides? Yes. It is amazing, really. Mr Trump has barely finished


his first week in office and already he is involved in this foreign


policy spat with a key neighbour. And it was being played out on


Twitter. In the morning, Mr Trump tweeted, if Mexico is not going to


pay for the wall, then perhaps we should cancel the meeting. And the


Mexican President tweeted back, all right, I will not come - not those


words exactly, but that was the effect. And then Mr Trump spoke


about slapping a 20% tariff on Mexican goods coming in to pay for


the war. There is no sense of diplomacy here, which is really very


strange. His framing it all in this big issue of economic fairness,


saying it is unfair for the Mexicans not to pay for the war, and going on


to say, they're treating us unfairly with the North American Free Trade


Agreement, which is the thing which has the Mexicans really worried,


because their whole economy has been organised along the lines of that


treaty, with 80% of their products coming here. It is really


extraordinary to watch. Are we seeing a parallel to what we saw


during the political campaigns, where clearly Mr Trump thrives on


opposition, whether it is creating opposition in the media, opposition


to Hillary Clinton, whatever it might be, it seems he's taking a


similar approach to diplomacy, that through opposition, he will achieve


his goals? That may be the case. But it needs all the parties, including


the other country, including his own diplomatic staff, including I expect


congresspeople, wondering what the game plan is and where this will


lead. It's really quite uncharted territory. One more story to ask you


about, and we spoke about this last night, Donald Trump has hinted that


he would support the idea of safe zones for civilians who are being


displaced in Syria. It is a huge suggestion, because it would involve


the Syrian government agreeing to it, and secondly, you would have to


put troops on the ground to protect those safe owns, and whose troops


with baby? The Kremlin spokesperson has responded to say...


Barbra, to get this off the ground would take a huge amount of


diplomatic work, wouldn't it? It would be of huge project, yes. Let's


just say that the outset, that safe zone is mentioned in a draft


executive order that's been circulating, it has not yet been


signed. But the draft is out there. It is related to an order that


Syrian refugee admissions should stop. The Americans would stop


accepting Syrian refugees for an indefinite time, and instead they


would try to set up a safe some in the region, says the draft, for


those people to stay instead. But there is nothing about what it would


look like. But we know as you said, that any plan would have to involve


some kind of military commitment, especially if it was set up against


the wishes of the Syrian government. It is really an unknown. The Qataris


have already said, yes, it is a good idea. Also we will have a no-fly


zone to enforce it. That is not something that has been mentioned.


The Turks have been the strongest proponents of a safe zone, and they


have said, we would like to see what they come up with in detail. The


Russians in the past have specifically warned the US not to


take on the Syrian government militarily and have said that if the


Syrian government is targeted, that the Russians will use their own air


defence weapons against them. There is all of this in the background,


and Mr Trump has just thrown this suggestion into the midst of it all.


I guess we will be speaking to you around this time on Outside Source a


lot. As we are waiting for Rex Tillerson to come in and to get his


team in place below him. Theresa May, should this be seen, what she


said, as a conflict with Trump's ideals, says one viewer. I think it


is fair to say that she wants a strong nation state for the UK that


but that it must be internationalist in its view of the world. We cannot


really speak for what Donald Trump wants, in terms of how America will


be positioned. Forget what he said today was that he did want to deal


with the rest of the world, he wants to cut of bilateral trade deals, but


it was always be from the position of putting America's interests


first. If you can do that and be an internationalist, we will have to


see if he manages to pull that off. Next, the issue of health policy.


Donald Trump today launched another stinging attack on Obama. Obamacare


is a disaster. The Democrats are saying, they're putting up signs


like it's wonderful. It's a disaster. I actually talked with


Paul and the group about just doing nothing for two years, and then we


would have them coming begging to do something. Because 2017 is going to


be catastrophic price increases, your deductibles are through the


rich, you can't use it. Who can't use it. And they would come to us,


except we have one problem is that we have to take care of the American


people immediately. It looks like Obamacare will be scrapped by


Congress, possibly as soon as March or April. But no-one is that clear


on what is going to replace it, and that's causing concern. Here is Nick


Bryant with his report from New York. In New York City, it is


estimated that one in five of the city's population could lose their


health care, if it is repealed. Among them, Donna Leslie. She does


not know what she would do if she lost her Obamacare coverage. It


would be a disaster for me. I have to have health care in order to


survive. If I don't have that health care, if he gets rid of it, I'm dead


in the water, no doubt. No doubt. It's not just adults that could lose


their coverage, but as many as 4 million children. And doctors are


also worried about the impact of existing treatments being


interrupted. We're talking about millions of people... This doctor


says the human consequences across America of repealing Obamacare would


be dire. We are talking about people dying, people suffering as well. A


patient with high blood pressure who goes without their medicine for a


few months is at higher risk of a stroke a heart attack. And a patient


with cancer who has started treatment, an interruption in care


would mean that they're no longer able to get the chemotherapy or the


radiation therapy or the surgery that they might need. So from that


aspect of, I'm very worried about the real consequences of what's


playing out on a national level. -- from that perspective. The problem


for the Trump administration and Republicans on Capitol Hill is, what


do you replace Obamacare with? Within hours of taking office, with


a flourish of his presidential pen, Donald Trump started rolling back


his predecessor's signature achievement. Without a clear


administration plan yet on the table of what to replace it with. But on


Capitol Hill, Republicans claim they can draft an alternative that gives


more access to more affordable coverage. I don't even like the use


of the word replace. I would like to think that we are just repealing the


bad that is out there now and fixing what's left over and putting new


ideas in place, putting some market-driven ideas in place, and


putting patients first. For decades, health care has been a polarising


issue between progressives and Conservatives. Many in the


Republican ace have been campaigning for years for the end of Obamacare.


But its abolition carries political risks, especially with poor,


working-class Americans, who helped Donald Trump reach Washington. I


have been asking for your questions. Lots of you have been getting in


touch with what I would call regular questions about the Trump


administration. One of you saying, will Theresa May and Donald Trump


dance at any point tomorrow? I have no idea. Another one says, is your


tie from Somerset cricket club? No, it's not but thanks for asking. And


the message from Peter Stringfellow, a very well-known nightclub owner in


London. He says, Ros, please stop pretending that you're controlling


this screen, it's really embarrassing. I prod, this is not me


pretending. If I press that button, this comes up. If I press this, the


map comes up. And if I pressed the wrong button, I promise you, the


wrong thing will happen. Honestly, it's real. And if I get it wrong it


doesn't work. Thank you very much for those questions should we will


get to slightly more pressing questions about the Trump


presidency. Anthony will be explaining that in a while.


Particularly, we will focus on Mr Trump's complex relationship with


the cable news networks in the US. There has been a rise in suicides,


assaults and self harm inside prisons in England and Wales. A


number of those taking their own lives is the highest since records


began in 1978. The rise in assaults, suicides


and self harming is relentless. The sense of crisis in the system


was underlined by a riot in Birmingham prison,


where inmates posed Just one of a string of jail


disturbances in recent months. Amid the volatile atmosphere,


today's figures show that in the past year, a record


number of prisoners have It's very hard when you've got


members of your family who... Sarah is a long-serving


prison officer whose She describes having to deal


with a teenage suicide. I came on duty, and I went


to perform a roll check. I lifted the flap, and this young


man was suspended in his cell. and I saw it was his birthday,


and I thought, what a waste. Just describe the thoughts in your


head as you're going into work. When you open a door,


you don't know what you're Prisons are awash with drugs


and psychoactive substances that All adding to the underlying


problems of staff shortages Vulnerable prisoners are suffering


in the increasingly threatening I am very clear that the levels


of violence in our prisons are too high, and the levels of self-harm


are too high. Since I became Justice Secretary,


I've focused on dealing That's why we are investing


an extra ?100 million. 2,500 extra prison officers across


the estate, so that we are able to have a caseload of one prison


officer for every six prisoners. But Sarah says the challenge


is not recruiting staff, And on top of that,


you've got the fear. I've never been in fear


of my life until now, and we just don't get paid enough


to have that fear everyday. Welcome back to Outside Source. Our


lead story is that Theresa May has urged America to engage with, and


beware of, Russia. The comments came in a speech to senior Republicans in


Philadelphia. She will meet resident Trump tomorrow. Coming up after


Outside Source, its world news America next, if you're watching


outside the UK, with a report from a survivor of Auschwitz. Here in the


UK, the News at Ten is next. I'm going to bring in Anthony in a


moment. But first of all, a couple of tweets which people have been


highlighting. This is one where Mr Trump says, ungrateful traitor


Chelsea Manning... These are important issues in their


own right, but the reason I have highlighted those two tweets is the


language and the statistics used in them. Exactly matching those used in


stories which ran on Fox news units before the president tweeted. We


cannot know if that is just a coincidence. We do know that the


president watches a lot of network TV news. His relationship with these


networks really matters. Anthony joins me now to talk about this.


Would we expect that to be the case, that the Trump was taking some


information, some policy needs, from a network? I think it certainly


looks that way. And these are not the only examples, either. A few


months ago, Fox news ran a story about flag burning, and then minutes


later, Donald Trump early in the morning tweeted out a condemnation


of flag burning and called for a constitutional amendment. So, his


watching it, and it's influencing the way he views the world and views


US politics and views policy. It is pretty remarkable that a morning TV


programme could adjust the views of the leader of the free world. It


used to be that the New York Times would be what everyone talks about


in this town. But now it seems like Donald Trump is taking his advice,


his insight, a different source. And he seems to be particularly focused


not just on Fox but on CNN and the others, more so than perhaps other


media outlets - is that because of the power of the networks? I think


that has a lot to do with it. You noted CNN, and he talks about CNN


almost as much as he mentions reports from Fox. CNN is the will in


his mind, and he's constantly trashing them, saying that they have


low ratings, but they're fake news. 'S picked a fight with a CNN news


reporter joined that first news conference, before he was sworn in.


Those are obviously two of the more prominent cable networks in the US.


And Donald Trump obviously spends a lot of time watching them and cares


a lot about what they say. Let's pick up this theme to more. Before I


came into the set, I was down in the newsroom, and I saw that the New


York Times had an interview with Stephen Pennant, the chief White


House strategist, who used to be in charge of a right-wing news website.


He gave a very strong quote on the media. He said the media should be


embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a


while. He said, I want you to quote me on this, the media here is the


opposition party, they do not understand this country, they still


do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United


States. What did you make of that, Anthony? Well, it's pretty strong


language. Apparently the interview he gave to the New York Times came


on the heels of Sean Spicer's very aggressive press conference on


Saturday near the he bashed the media and said that they were


misrepresenting the crowds at the inauguration. And Steve Bannon is


someone who Donald Trump listens to, a very close adviser. Along with


Stephen Miller, he calls them the two Steves, both of them firebrands


with an anti-establishment view of politics. In his inaugural address,


he bashed the establishment, bashed Washington, said he was giving power


back to the people, Alec is rhetoric. And they might have been


involved in that speech. You think the media in the US now see


themselves as the opposition? I think they feel that they have a


responsibility to challenge Donald Trump at every turn. I think that


they took to heart some of the accusations that they did not take a


Donald Trump seriously early enough in the presidential campaign. I


think use or later in the campaign, particularly in that press


conference which ended up not being a press conference, at the Donald


Trump H, where he refuse to answer media questions and dismissed the


allegations that he was responsible for questioning Barack Obama's birth


certificate, I think from then on, the media took a much more


adversarial view towards Donald Trump, and that has carried over


into the transition and into his presidency. I don't think they would


like being characterised as the opposition party, but I think they


feel they have a responsibility to challenge him and question him when


he says something that the facts are not bear out. Just a couple of


questions here, firstly from Alex, watching in Manchester - do we know


Mr Trump's thoughts on the European feeling towards his presidency? Be


Pool C Trump as a radical, they disapprove of his attitude towards


the press, they see him as dangerous. That is not


representative of all attitudes in Europe, but I do not see Mr Trump as


someone he does pay attention. He cares a lot about what people think


of him. When he was over in the UK right after the Brexit folk, took


that as a sign for a possible victory for him. So he was obviously


paying attention to the Brexit folk. I think he sees ideological soul


mates in some of the nationalist movements in the UK and in


continental. So I would not be supposed if he is at least somewhat


aware of it. Obviously, he has a close relationship with Nigel


Farage, so there will be some information traded there. But as far


as the average person on the street thinks in Europe, I don't think he


cares that much. Thank you, Anthony. Just very quickly, the timings of


tomorrow's events, please? We don't know a whole lot about what he will


be doing tomorrow. There is talk of executive orders on visas, which we


thought were going to come today. On immigration as well. So I would not


be surprised if we saw something about that tomorrow. Thank you very


much indeed. Just to tick up on that message I got 15 minutes ago from


Peter Stringfellow, well-known nightclub owner here in London,


about my screen. I replied to him, offering for him to come in and try


it, and lots of you have been saying they would rather have a visit to


his place than mine, which I'm frankly offended by! But thank you


very much for all your messages! We'll take a breather now. We will


be back at the same time on Monday. Thanks for your company.


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