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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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If you did not see Donald Trump's press conference, it is worth your

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time. I inherited a mess. Put it out before the American people, 306

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electoral college votes. This administration is running like a

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fine tuned machine. Passionate opening statement, sliding from

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topic to topic. Followed by questions, no subject is off-limits.

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Wait, I know who you are, wait. The story that has dominated this week,

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the resignation of the President's National Security adviser, so be it.

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The leagues I absolutely real. The news is fake. A lot of questions

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were answered, a lot more were raised. We will take as many as we

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can get across the hour. There is a strong argument we have

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seen the most remarkable press conference ever given by US

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President. Lasting well over one hour, it painted a dystopian vision

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of America, and a world in a mess. That now has a president offering

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reassurances, taking care of it. The familiar but potent cocktail of

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attacks on the media, boasting about the election result, promising to

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heal the country. That last one is looking a long way off. As always,

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when Trump speaks, a number of statements which were demonstrably

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untrue. We will look at this onto Dave's Outside Source. Mr Trott

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takes America, its presidency and its place in the world is new

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territory, just as he said on the campaign trail. Let's start with the

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President's staunch defence of his performance so far. To be honest,.

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Is the leaving out with the least cost that is what I think I'd have

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thought, engine six electoral college votes. I turned on the TV,

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and then this administration is running

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like a fine tuned machine. Keeping me company Anthony live from

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Washington. We will have time to get into specifics. Your general

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thoughts after that hour and a half? Like you said, unprecedented press

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conference. For a sitting president. For Donald Trump, we should not be

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surprised. It is the Donald Trump we have seen through the campaign. They

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were common early in the campaign, until his staff started to reel him

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in during the general election. Donald Trump, they have decided to

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have him unleashed. That beginning opening statement, airing his

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grievances, painting a dark picture. That was scripted. He seemed down.

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Once he got into the give-and-take with reporters committee seemed

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animated, comfortable. He needed to get up there take the slings and

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arrows from the media, show he is not afraid of them. The White House

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had been in a bit of a bunker until now. He mentioned several times he

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will hold a campaign style rally in Florida on Saturday. They are going

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back to the script that worked for them. Donald Trump, off-the-cuff

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comment being few years. He won the presidency that way. It seems they

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have made a determination to reboot themselves, reboot the campaign.

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Using that winning formula, we will see whether that works. Thank you.

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You will be or bust through the hour. Send your questions our way.

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We heard he returned to a script we heard many times on the campaign

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trail. He attacked the media for the coverage of him. He did lead. I will

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play this clip, attacking one particular CNN show. I watch it, I

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see it, I am amazed by it. I think you would be a lot better off, I

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honestly think you would. The public start throwing their placards at

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CNN. I think you would do much better by being different. Take a

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look at some of your shows in the morning in the evening. If a guest

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comes out and says something positive about me, it is brutal.

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They will take this news conference, I'm having a very good time, they

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will take this conference. That is the way I wanted. I used to give you

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one every time made a speech, every day. That is how I won with news

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conferences, and speeches. Certainly not by people listening to you

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people. I'm having a good time. Tomorrow they will save Donald Trump

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ranting and raving at the press. I'm telling you you are dishonest

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people. Dishonest people how he describes those working in CNN. When

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he says he won the election with press conferences committee did not

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give one during the campaign. He stopped giving press conferences for

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a stretch of time. He turned to the big story of the week, the

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resignation of his national security adviser Michael Flynn. The

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resignation connected to a conversation general Flynn had with

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the Russian ambassador to the US before Mr Trump took office. Claims

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that sanctions against Russia were discussed. Mr Flynn denied it, then

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said he could not be sure. In the process he gave Vice President Mike

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pence incomplete information, which was why he had to go. This is Mr

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Trump's take. I was surprised. Did not sound like he did anything wrong

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there. He did something wrong with respect to the Vice President. I

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thought that was not acceptable. As far as the actual making the call, I

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have watched various programmes, reading various articles where he

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was just doing his job. Very normal. Donald Trump did not think Michael

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Flynn had done anything wrong. Here was the response when he asked

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whether he had directed general Flynn to communicate with Russia

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Christmas did you direct Michael Flynn to discuss sanctions with the

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Russians? No, I did not. Excuse me. I fired him because of what he said

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to Mike pence. He was doing his job, calling countries, his counterparts.

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It certainly would have been OK with me if he did do it. I would have

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directed him to do it if I thought he was not doing it. I did not,

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because I would have done, because it was his job. Allen says the man

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with the most votes won. He had the most electoral college votes, which

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is why you up correctly point out he's the president. He did not get

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the most votes, Hillary Clinton did, but not in the right states. That is

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why Donald Trump is the president. What did you make of the President's

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count of Michael Flynn's resignation? Interesting, never

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really answer the question about why he waited several weeks before he

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fired or asked him to resign. After he found that he had essentially

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misled or misrepresented to Mike Pence, hanging the vice president at

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to dry. He learned he did something wrong, he let the vice president,

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the sitting vice president go out and say that something he thought

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was true was not. He stood by Michael Flynn yesterday. He said he

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was a wonderful man, to he said he had been misrepresented by the

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media. He said he would have told him to talk with Russians about

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sanctions committee thought that was worthwhile. That makes you wonder

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why the administration were so defensive about it. It is mixed

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signals, contradictory statements from Sean Spicer, the press

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secretary and Donald Trump to date on the subject. Hard to find out

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where they're going a game of it. One message posted online from a New

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York Times reporter, saying the president is consumed by, and acting

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in response to media coverage. One person saying he wants fighting with

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the media, they are responding by fighting back. That makes a

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spectacle more than discussing specific policies and actions. That

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is exactly right. That is the way I felt watching the press conference.

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Very early on, Donald Trump talked about the dishonest media, taking

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swipes at them. He seemed to want to take them on. Media representatives

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asking about how unfair it was to call them fake news. Donald Trump is

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more than happy to engage them on that. The general public does not

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probably care about media grudges, media feelings about being

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disrespected by the present. They care about policy issues, and other

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things. The media is focused on that specific angle. Donald Trump enjoys

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this particular kind of sparring. It does not get that what his

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ministration is trying to do, it changes the subject and the nature

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of the scandal, to the nature and coverage of the scandal. One step

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removed from anything that can get him in trouble. Would any policies

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on North Korea and the Middle East be published? We got Trump looking

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for a grand deal in the Middle East beyond Palestinians and Israelis. He

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said it could be a two state solution, could be 1-macro. The

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media needs to call him out on his statements. We are doing this entire

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addition on Outside Source, going through all the areas he covered,

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plainly the clips, giving you analysis of what he said. We will

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fact checked some specific claims made by Donald Trump during this

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extraordinary press conference. Including one which said he won the

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presidential election by a record margin.

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Here in the UK, the Business Secretary Greg Clark says he has

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held constructive talks with General Motors. It emerged the owner of

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perjury, the PSA group was involved in a possible takeover in Vauxhall's

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European operation. The general secretary of Unite says he's not

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prepared to accept job losses. We have made the call, we want the

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government involved in the issue General Motors. The French

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government own a stake in Peugeot, they will be arguing and fighting

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for French jobs. Basically I'll be saying to the government, that is

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what we need to do. We need to work together, the government needs to

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make it clear we are not prepared, in the event that Peugeot five

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-- are buying Vauxhall, we're not prepared to accept a single job loss

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in Britain. I am Ross Atkins with Outside

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Source. Our focus in this programme is a last minute press conference

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organised by President Donald Trump. He covered a range of issues,

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defending his presidency so far. We will keep going through what the

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president said as we move through the programme. One of the things

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driving the issue, the connections, if any, between Mr Trott's team and

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Russia. Some media, for instance the New York Times, has been publishing

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leaked material. Mr Trott is serious about these leaks, he has been all

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week, turning to the issue. When I was called out on Mexico, I was

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honest, really surprised. It does not make sense. That was not that

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important the call, I could show it to the world, he could show it to

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the world. The present is a very fine man, by the way. The same thing

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with Australia. I said that is terrible, it was leaked. I said to

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myself, what happens when dealing with the problem with North Korea,

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the problem of the Middle East. Are you folks going to be reporting that

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very confidential information from very important? At the highest

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level. Are you going to be reporting about that, too? I don't want

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classified information getting out of the public. That was almost the

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test. I'm dealing with Mexico, dealing with Argentina, we were

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dealing, in this case, with Mike Flynn. This information gets put

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into the Washington post, the New York Times. I'm saying, what is

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going to happen when I'm dealing with the

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Middle East, important subjects, like North Korea. We have to stop

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it. That is why it is a criminal penalty. That statement begs one

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question, is that Mr Trump confirming the information in the

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leaks are true? What he was talking about where reports he had

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complained to the Mexican president about Mexico's handling of what he

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called tough hombres. All the reports he hung up on the Australian

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Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull. This is the leaks real leaks. The

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news is fake. One thing I felt it was important to do, and I hope we

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can correct it, nobody I have more respect for than reporters, good

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reporters. He says leaks are real, the news is fake. Let me bring you

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in on this, the president is perfectly within his rights to be

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furious about this. Important confidential information making its

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way into the public domain? Absolutely. Leaguers have agendas.

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Putting this information out there, asking their name is not attached to

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it. Sometimes because they could be in legal trouble. They feel it has

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to be reported on. Other times they have a grudge, trying to gain power

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within the bureaucracy therein. Every president has had to do with

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this at one point to another. Donald Trump is trying to set up an

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explanation why he is upset about these particular leaks. They are

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embarrassing. He said they could lead to other leaks that could

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impact national security. People will have to draw conclusions, valid

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justification. Something every politician has two deal with. To

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acknowledge they are truthful, to save the media reports based on them

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are false, fate. That is cognitive dissonance. He's not acknowledging

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that right now. How does this President compare with other

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presidents, in term of keeping his promises, asks Jay? I would answer,

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he is doing pretty well, doing the things he said he would do. He was

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boasting about that today. People criticising him for the immigration

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ban, cracking down on undocumented workers. Those are all things he

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campaigned on. Very clear about it. They believe is accusing him of

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trying to pass a hidden agenda. That is not something, of the many things

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people have accused him of, that he's guilty. Now doing some of the

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executive orders, making motions to doing things, that is different to

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getting them accomplished. So far, not a whole lot of legislative

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success. The appeals in Congress are grinding slowly. The Obama

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administration had signed a massive infrastructure spending and

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financial recovery bill. It is compared to past administrations,

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he's making motions to keeping his promises. Doing things within his

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particular power to keep those promises. The jury is out on how

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much you will be able to accomplish. For the moment, thank you very much.

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I was going to say let's take a brief break from politics, maybe I

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am, maybe I'm not. The Facebook founder, Mark Zuckerberg, has

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released a manifesto. Talking about a huge range of issues. The issue of

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globalisation, he says there are people around the world who feel

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left behind by it, and the rapid changes that have happened. There

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are movements, as a result, to withdraw from global connection. He

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discussed the concept of fake news. Facebook has been caught up in this.

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He said misinformation is a beginner undermining the common

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understanding, so does sensationalism, and polarisation.

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Let's speak to our economics editor. You have been speaking to Mark

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Zuckerberg. Is he stopping being a businessman, becoming a politician?

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He insists he's not. We had rumours, would he run in 2020, he said no. He

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told me in the BBC interview that he did not want to be a politician. Not

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now, he said. He did not say not ever. He is the leader of the

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biggest businesses in the world. Frankly, he is as influential as

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he's going to be as a politician, leaving Facebook. What is

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interesting about what he told me, what he put out in this 5500 word

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post on Facebook tonight for me talks about globalisation, fake

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news, he talks about people not getting upset, but fighting back. A

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call to action. He said the way to fight back is built connectedness

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across borders, bring down barriers. What an opposite tone to the tone of

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President Trump. Very careful with me not to bite, on any of my

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questions about Donald Trump. He does not agree with you, are you

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going to meet him? He did not go to the round table that other tech

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leaders went to. Nevertheless, it gives an alternative view, over

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thousands of words. Well thought through, whatever you might think

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about the legitimacy of someone like Mark Zuckerberg talking about this.

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It was a well fought through from a 5500 word piece of work. In the

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present fee bra environment, it will be seen as an alternative manifesto

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to what we're seeing in the White House. This was quite a shift, when

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the fake news controversy surrounded the election day, he said it was

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nothing to do with us? He knows he called that wrong. The problem with

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a lot of these companies, Facebook, Google, they have a philosophy of

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put out product first, then if it goes wrong, call it iteration, we

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will change things. Here the technology has run ahead of the

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editorial skills are Facebook, to control material people are getting

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in their news feed. Mark Zuckerberg when interviewed by me, and this

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huge manifesto has said they need to do more to control fake news. What

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he said was interesting, it is not about banning fake news, it is about

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making it clear this piece of news is disputed. Very much against

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taking things down where possible. He's talking about more new ones to

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make sure good quality journalism gets to the top of people's news

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feed, rather than any journalism. You said it is a call to action, but

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what action does he want to call? Sometimes we find this Silicon

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Valley wording of it or getting connected. He's talking about

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building communities, he wants people to use Facebook, obviously,

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he's a businessman in the end. About how Facebook allows church groups,

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religious groups, civil society groups to work together within

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countries, across borders. How it can be used to create safe areas, if

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there is a natural disaster, to report on how people are responding

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to that. Really about building a digital infrastructure, to take the

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place of governments, that he says people are losing faith with. That

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does not mean globalisation has left people behind. If the

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infrastructures and the ways of working are not used, people will

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withdraw. He says making a direct connection to people in different

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countries, the European Union, what is going on in America, pulling up

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the drawbridge, he says his manifesto is part of that manifesto.

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Thank you for explaining that. If you want to read the manifesto from

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Mark Zuckerberg, not hard to find on Facebook. Let's return to that

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extraordinary press conference from Donald Trump. About three hours ago

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he gave one that went well over one hour. There was an extended

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question-and-answer session. We will fact checked some of the statement

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is the president has made. First of all, how much he has done since

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taking office. This last month as represented an unprecedented degree

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of action, on behalf of the great citizens of our country. There has

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never been a presidency that has done so much in such a little period

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of time. We have not even start of the big work, that start early next

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week. Some very big things will be announced next week. The president

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saying no other has done so much in so little time. A lot of executive

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orders, we have discussed them on Outside Source. You can see them

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listed on the White House website. These are not laws. Mr Trump has

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signed three laws, a waiver to allow James Matthews to sign as Defence

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Secretary, a rollback and regulations in terms of what oil

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companies have to disclose to foreign governments. If we making a

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comparison to President Obama, he has signed three laws, one of them

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was the American recovery and reinvestment Bill. That was in

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response to the global financial crisis, many analysts credited with

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restarting the American economy. Hard to quantify which president has

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done the most in their first month. Hard to say definitively Donald

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Trump has done. More fact checking in the second half of Outside

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Source. Any particular issues you want to pick up on can get in touch

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by e-mail and social media, if I cannot answer them, Anthony

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definitely will be able to. I will speak to you in two or three minutes

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time. Plenty more on the forecast in the

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UK before the top of the hour. Right now, whether stories from elsewhere

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around the world.

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