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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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Just outside of this huge police cordon that surrounds the area that

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was attacked on Saturday. The big story is that police have named two

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of the three attackers. One called Khuram Butt from East London, known

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to authorities. Before night fell and weather picked up, or a few

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metres away from me at City Hall next to the river Thames, the Merit

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London led a vigil for those who lost their lives and spoke to those

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who gathered. -- the Mayor of London.

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To the sick and evil extremists who commit these hideous crimes.

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With just three days to go before the UK election,

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Theresa May has been defending her record on security

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and policing after Jeremy Corbyn backs calls for her to resign.

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We have protected counter-terrorism police budgets.

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We have also provided for an increase in the number

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of armed police officers and since 2015 we have protected

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And in the Middle East - a rift between neighbours.

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Six countries including Saudi Arabia, cut diplomatic ties

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A look at the inevitable politicisation of this terror attack

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in a moment. If you are tweeting to say, do you have an umbrella to help

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you in this weather? We haven't put it up as it will blow away. Others

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have said, can you go back to the studio? We could, but despite the

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weather we have spoken to a number of people in the last few hours

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relevant to this story, including Richard, we spoke to him earlier and

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he was caught up in the events on Saturday and weren't to the vigil.

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We want to stay here and speak to those at the heart of the story --

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went to the vigil. This attack has become politicised with the Prime

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Minister Theresa May defending her record on security and policing

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levels. The opposition party led by Jeremy Corbyn attacking some of

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those positions that she has taken. Let's get up-to-date, here is BBC's

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political editor Laura Kuenssberg. Raising the stakes,

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but is she raising her game? Theresa May calls for a new attitude

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in a new era of terrorist threats. She hopes leadership is her

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strength, but experience haunts her. Because of the nature

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of the threat we face, we need to review our counterterrorism

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strategy to make sure the police and security services have

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all the powers they need. If that means increasing the length

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of custodial sentences for terrorism related offences,

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even apparently less serious They may be uncomfortable

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for some to contemplate, but nothing is more important

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than keeping our country safe. She's promised tighter rules

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for Internet providers, But again and again, she was pressed

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on falling police budgets, On your watch as Home Secretary,

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the number of armed police officers fell, still it is lower

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than in 2010. The number of officers

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fell in total by 20,000, And control orders that monitor

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terrorists were watered down. Would it not be leadership to say

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that you would reverse those cuts? We have enhanced

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the powers for the police. We have assured that security

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and intelligence agencies have the powers that they need,

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but it's not just about the resource, it's about

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the powers people have. The Independent Former

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Terror Watchdog agreed. Do you think that police cuts

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and a squeeze on the Home Office This is a completely misleading

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argument and the Prime Minister

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is right about it. Cut in committee policing

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are a legitimate issue They are nothing

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to do with terrorism. Plenty disagree, and for Labour,

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attacking the police cuts is the best form

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of political defence. We are not going to allow

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anybody to dictate how we live our lives, or how we go

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about enjoying ourselves. Jeremy Corbyn's application

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for the biggest job in the land is to restore

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cuts to public services. Would you take me on as

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an apprentice in your company? I would have to see your grades

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first... Having seemed to call

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for Theresa May to resign before clarifying, Jeremy Corbyn says

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he would consider any request pompous acuity

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services for more power. One is more police,

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that is essential. Secondly, more intelligence

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on the operations that are necessary to prevent a terror

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attack taking place. And also, the Home Office should

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release its report on funding of terrorist organisations,

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which it's been sitting on and not Despite the usual energetic

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photocalls come the weekend attacks Despite the usual energetic

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photocalls, the weekend attacks There must be a determination

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across all of the parties to challenge robustly

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extremism in all of its forms. But as we do that,

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we have got to make sure In coalition, the Lib Dems

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were reluctant to tighten Theresa May has made a choice

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to give away corporation tax cuts to very wealthy corporations,

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and at the same time, With the choice days away,

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the discussions are nearly done, but the closing phase of

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this campaign is a fundamentally different shape to when it

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all began, and the question on the table now,

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the most basic of all. Who will you trust to

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keep the country safe? The Tories hope the Prime

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Minister's experience will land her back in power.

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Her record could trip her up, too. Laura Kuenssberg,

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BBC News, Westminster. I guess the challenge for all

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parties is that they want to continue to address the issues

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raised by Saturday night at London Bridge, but they also have other

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policies that they want to bring into the public domain? Absolutely.

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What you need to remember is that what we have two full days of

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campaigning left until the general election. We are in an unprecedented

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situation of having two terror attacks, one at the weekend being

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the latest, during the course of a general election campaign. That's

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never happened before and has radically changed the shape and tone

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of this campaign in those final closing days before the polls

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opened. As we have been hearing in Laura's report, the debate has

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specifically come about on security. But there is more going on here too.

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What Theresa May always wanted to make this campaign about was

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leadership. That is code for her pointing to what she thinks of as

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perceived weaknesses of her opponent, Jeremy Corbyn. She

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believes the voting public will simply see her as a stronger leader.

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In this debate surrounding security, we see her pressing this idea once

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again, as she was the Home Secretary, the Secretary of State

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for home affairs in the UK. She will try and point at how she feels she

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has been tough in this role that there are risks. Her opponents have

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pointed to what they say are falling police budgets and numbers, she has

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said that they have protected the number of firearms officers and she

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will review counterterrorism. As for Jeremy Corbyn, as you have heard,

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his record on this is something that opponents have attacked, effectively

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accusing him of being a sympathiser of terrorism, the IRA in the 1980s.

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He has vehemently said he thinks that all bombing is wrong. Beyond

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that, he has said that he opposed all anti-terrorist legislation

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introduced in Parliament, Theresa May says that she has been a

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champion of it -- they have said. Tom, this election was already

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fiendishly difficult to predict. It has got harder, hasn't it?

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Absolutely. We know, as with all campaigns, there has been a wide

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number of polls. The most important thing is, remember the general

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election of 2015? Remember the referendum of last

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year, where the polls got things not a little wrong, but in both cases,

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got the actual result wrong. I think everyone is treating the polls with

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a huge dose of scepticism and huge pinches of salt being thrown

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everywhere. But, they have proved to be interesting reading. The fact

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that they are suggesting there is a timing between the two main parties,

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the Conservatives and Labour since Theresa May unexpectedly called that

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election, many saying she could get more than a 100 seat majority.

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Things don't necessarily look that way but there is a wide range of

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variety between polls. We will have to wait and see until Thursday

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night. Tong, thank you. Whether you are watching on the BBC News Channel

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in the UK or elsewhere on BBC World News, you will get extensive

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coverage when the polls close -- Tom, thank you.

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The Prime Minister has accused technology firms of not doing enough

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Theresa May talked about their been safe space online for terror

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ideology. investing significant resources

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in fighting the spread of extremism. If you know what you are looking

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for, it is easy to find extremist Online magazines

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and videos with high production values that

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glamorise the struggle are shared widely on social

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media and messaging apps. The spotlight is on the

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technology platforms that Despite public concern, Google,

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Facebook and Twitter declined a request for an interview,

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and not for the first time. Google said they employ

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thousands and invest Facebook say they work

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aggressively to remove Twitter said such material has no

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place on their platform. Extremists are migrating

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onto messaging apps like Telegram and WhatsApp,

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which have end-to-end encryption, creating a safe place where those

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extremists can operate. Opening a back door to such apps

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brings its own problems, and could A lot of people

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naturally think these technology companies

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make billions in profit That is true of course -

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but these issues are One problem is the sheer volume

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of material uploaded every day, but the deeper question

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is whether or not Internet companies with no democratic

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mandate should be given the power to say

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who sees what online. Germany is drafting legislation that

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will find tech firms if they don't remove extremist material, but not

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everyone thinks that more regulation is a good idea.

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Regulation is complicated, you need to recognise that

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you are not making incentives to set up more than you

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need, to remove free speech rather than just removing terror content.

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You need to be confident you are not upsetting a delicate balance.

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As calls for technology giants to clamp

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down on terror grow, it's not clear that granting more power over

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our lives to the tech companies is the best solution.

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edge of the police cordon. While police there will be concerned about

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the security of the whole area affected by the attack and

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investigations into what happened here, some colleagues will be

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looking at issues of online security, as were discussed in that

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report. I've been speaking to James O'Malley

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from the tech website Gizmodo UK. I wanted his thoughts on whether

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Theresa May, speaking about safe spaces for terrorists online, is

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fair comment. I think undeniably there are places

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online which are places where terrorists or potential terrorists

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exchange information but there is no easy solution as to what we do about

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this. We can say enough is enough, but what that is is a different

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question. It's not just making more or less secure, but trade-offs. What

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are we giving up if we try and shut down these places? Or dismantling

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correction? -- encryption. If you hear music in the background, a guy

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has turned up with a PA system and at the moment he is not willing to

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turn it down. You talk about encryption on the dark web, but

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YouTube is where one person has told the BBC One of the attackers was

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radicalised. This is in plain view. Isn't it the responsibility of

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Google and Facebook to get rid of this? It's interesting, that wider

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debate is something we need to have in this post-Internet era, about the

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role of these enormous companies. Which have colonised huge amounts of

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the public sphere. Google, Facebook, Apple. There is a handful of

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companies that controls huge swathes of data, our digital lives, our

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entire lives. If you have a phone in your pocket, that is your entire

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life. If you want companies controlling that and if you want the

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government to have access to all of the data all of our lives, that's

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another question. We are talking a lot about end-to-end encryption, a

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lot of us don't fully understand what that is. Why is it so relevant?

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Aims to end encryption is when it is just you and the other person who

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sees the messages, as it is transported you are the only will

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one who can see that mattered. -- you are the only one who can see

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that message. There is talk of building back doors into this

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system. WhatsApp is entirely end-to-end encrypted. Everyone who

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knows what they are talking about thinks it is basically because the

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entire Internet is predicated on encryption. The padlock in your

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browser next to your web address means that the data is encrypted. A

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back door can give the government and good guys access but equally, a

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back door could give the bad guys access as well. Hackers and other

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terrorists. James O'Malley, thank you.

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You recall in the media aftermath of the Manchester attack, there was a

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lot of talk about whether Salman Abedi was known to authorities and

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questions about what was done with information. The same question is

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being asked now it is clear that one of those who carried out the attack

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on Saturday was known to authorities. We will hear from a top

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intelligence analyst on whether he thinks the criticisms that some have

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issued on how the authorities are handling this information are

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reasonable. The first funeral of a victim of the

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Manchester attack has taken place on the Isle of Barra in the Outer

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Hebrides. The girl attended with her friend Laura MacIntyre, who remained

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seriously injured in hospital. Lorna Gordon reports.

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In this small island community, they said farewell.

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Eilidh MacLeod's father at the head of a dignified procession,

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family close behind as the coffin was passed gently from hand-to-hand.

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As a Gaelic song praising a fair-haired girl from Barra played

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Her family wanted Eilidh's funeral to be a celebration of her life -

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a young girl with an infectious personality who loved music,

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reading, and spending time with her friends.

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In contrast to the hate that took her life, Eilidh's life

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was a testament to the world of love, of innocence,

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Her influence lives on through all the lives that she ever touched.

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In this safe and gentle place, the grief of Eilidh's

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Her family said most of her happiest times were spent with friends

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They are glad to have her back home among those she loved so much.

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Then, a final journey across the causeway

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to a neighbouring island, is Eilidh was laid to rest

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to a neighbouring island, as Eilidh was laid to rest

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A beautiful girl, her parents said, who would stay eternally young,

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loved by all and forever in their hearts.

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A wet and windy night in central London, iron at the police cordon

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surrounding a large area affected by the Saturday night attack at London

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Bridge. The lead story... Police have named two of the three

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men who committed Saturday night's One of the attackers

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was Khuram Butt, who had featured in a TV documentary

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about Islamist extremism. As we discussed earlier, the big

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political issue of the day in the UK has surrounded police cuts, and

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whether those police cuts, overseen in part by Prime Minister Theresa

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May whilst she was Home Secretary, were appropriate. We've put that

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point to Professor Michael Clarke. Of the Royal United services

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Institute. This is where we go from phase one of the investigation to

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phase two. In phase one there is an immediate attempt by authorities to

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close the blog down. They want to keep the names of perpetrators to

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themselves so they can get around associates and make sure there is no

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one else there who they concerned with. In phase two, the press begin

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to get hold of the names, they have announced two names today. What they

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are saying to the public now, they bring them into it, tell us. Help us

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to understand what they were connected with, and where will take

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the rest of the investigation. I'm sure there are a lot of people in

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the UK watching and around the world shocked that someone in plain sight,

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who featured in a high-profile documentary, is then able to carry

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out an atrocity like this? I'm always asked in these cases whether

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it could have been prevented. Usually, the answer is no. But in

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the Manchester attack and in this case, the answer may be yes. There

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were red lights in the case of Khuram Butt, not in the other

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gentleman who was named so far. It looks as if there are indications

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that on the face of it, they may have been missed. Of grave concern.

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It bothers politicians, the Prime Minister is rumoured to be very

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angry at the fact intelligence services don't seem to recognise

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these flashing lights. The politicians, opposition Labour Party

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and Prime Minister engaged in arguments over police cuts and

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whether they impacted on the ability of police to spot this coming and

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respond to it. What is your analysis of that? A cut in police numbers is

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important for many reasons, counterterrorism is not one of them.

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The counterterror oppositions did in the UK but what they miss in cutting

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numbers of police on the beat is community intelligence. The fact

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that, as a policeman said to me not long ago, it is the local butcher

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having a chat with you, fellas on the high street telling you about

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this or that. It is community involvement on the police which

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feeds into not only terrorism that crime in general. The

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counterterrorism budget has been maintained and it is quite good.

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Six countries including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates

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and Egypt have cut diplomatic ties with the Gulf state of Qatar,

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Our Middle East regional editor Alan Johnston reports.

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The waters look calm enough, but the Qatari capital of Doha is at the

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centre of a diplomatic storm. This is how it broke. A Saudi TV channel

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announcing the kingdom's sudden decision to sever all diplomatic

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ties with Qatar. The Saudis had made sweeping allegations against their

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neighbours. They have reduced Qatar of being close to jihadis

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organisations across the United Emirates. Not only these but

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Al-Qaeda to. And for the Shia Muslim community in Saudi Arabia itself.

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Qatar categorically denies all of the allegations being made. It says

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it is the victim of a campaign to weaken the country. But the Saudis

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are not alone. Bahrain, the UAE, Egypt and other voices have joined

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the condemnation of what they say are Qatar's destabilising

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activities. Some air links have been cut. UAE's state-owned carrier

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Etihad will no longer fly to Qatar. Noble Saudi Arabia's airline. These

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moves against the Gulf state are a result of long simmering tensions.

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Since back in the days of the Arab Spring revolutions, the Qataris have

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often seemed out of step with their neighbours. They have tended to

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support Islamist groups, like the Muslim Brotherhood, which briefly

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held power after Egypt's revolt. The brotherhood is bitterly opposed by

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the current Egyptian leadership and the Saudis. President Trump has

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changed the atmosphere with his recent visit to Saudi. He signalled

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strongly that he supports the Gulf states in their fierce regional

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rivalry with Iran. But the Saudis, and the Iraqis, suspect that Carter

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is too close to Iranians. Now, they are intent on pulling their

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neighbours into line. -- Qatar. The USA is watching closely... I think

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what we are witnessing is a growing list of tensions that had been there

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for some time. They have bubbled to a level that countries have decided

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to take action in an effort to have those differences addressed. We

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certainly would encourage the parties to sit down together and

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address these differences. As for the last few hours, by the

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edge of the police cordoned surrounding this large area affected

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by Saturday night's attack, within it, what goes on trying to

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understand what happened and the work the attackers did in making

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their attack so terrible for its victims. On the outside you can see

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many flowers and people continue to pay their respects to those who lost

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their lives and those injured. Thank you for watching, I will see you

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tomorrow.

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