05/06/2017 Outside Source

Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

Across the hour, as the wind and rain make themselves felt, I will

bring you all the very latest on the investigation into the London Bridge

terror attack. The authorities today have named two of the three

attackers, one of them Khuram Butt from its London was previously known

to the authorities. They little earlier before the rain came in, and

just a few 100 metres from where I'm standing, the Mayor of London led a

vigil for those that lost their lives and the dozens who were

injured. And the mayor spoke. To the sick and evil extremists

who commit these hideous crimes. Inevitably, the attack is

influencing the UK election campaign. It is election day on

Thursday. We have heard from both the Prime Minister to Theresa May

and the opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn. I will bring you up-to-date

on that, and I will be live in Washington, DC after Donald Trump

launched a second extraordinary attack on the Mayor of London, Sadiq

Khan. You join me on a damp, Loi Monday

night here in the centre of London. I am just on the edge of the huge

police cordon that has been set up around the scene of Saturday night's

atrocity, in which three men killed, seven people. We now 48 others were

injured. The authorities of the Santon have said they had identified

attackers but were not releasing their names, well, two names have

now been released, the first was a 27-year-old, called Khuram Butt. He

was a British citizen. You can see him on the left. He was born in

Pakistan, but living in Barking, is London. The second to be named is

the 30-year-old Rachid Redouane, who also lived in Barking, is London. We

are told investigators were aware of Khuram Butt but there was no

evidence he was planning an attack. Before this wind and rain came in so

fiercely, a vigil was led by the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, in a

park just next door to City Hall and right next door to Tower Bridge and

the river Thames. Here is some of what the mayor said.

As the Mayor of London, I want to send a clear message

to the sick and evil extremists who commit these hideous crimes.

Today, we mourn the loss of innocent lives.

Londoners and people from around the world.

We send our love to the victims's families, and to all

those who are injured, and we thank our courageous

emergency services, and the brave Londoners who risked their lives

Khuram Butt, one of the two attacker to have been named by the police we

now have been reported to the authorities over concerns he was

becoming radicalised. We also know he featured in a Channel 4

documentary looking at people with Jay Harris the queues in London. The

BBC's Ed Thomas has been in east London today and has spoken to one

of Khuram Butt's neighbours, who says he saw the van that was true

than in the people on Saturday night in London Bridge, he saw the ban on

Friday. More details in a's latest report.

He was the enemy within, Khuram Butt, at 27, a father

of two young children, he had worked on the

London Underground before turning to Islamic extremism.

Romana was a neighbour, she now says she feels fooled.

He was kind, he shared the sweets with the neighbours.

He is not going to go there, he is going to go there.

Benjamin Joe would say hello to his neighbour, even

Was he calm when you saw him on Saturday?

We thought he was moving out because he was parked

Moving out, because Michael watched the London attacker

with another man in a white van, speeding at 6.30 on Saturday night.

Before the final. To be precise, around 6:30pm.

It screeched up, it was driving pretty fast.

Didn't brake on the bend, it just went.

He wasn't happy with the way women were dressed, he wanted

They would talk in parks, in a nearby mosque.

He didn't want to show his face and asked us

He would talk about Syria mostly, Afghanistan, they get bombed

and most people don't have food, they don't have homes to live.

He said the pair would debate Syria, Iraq and Islamic State.

Do you think he was trying to radicalise them?

Do you think he was trying to radicalise you?

I wouldn't want to turn out like a bad person,

I wouldn't want to do that kind of thing.

Khuram Butt, responsible for seven innocent deaths,

and today more raids, more searches to get to the truth

With me now, Dal Babu, former Chief Superintendent

Thank you for coming out in this Arnaud Clement weather. There has

been a furious political row about cuts. Do you think police cut

affected the Metropolitan's police ability to track this plot? The

challenges that police are never prepared to come out to say that

they need a huge amount of resources while they are serving. It always

reminds me of the George Orwell scenario, where the police keep

being asked to do more and more and they keep carrying on doing it. If

you have had a 50% cut in policing, 20,000 less officers since 2010, it

is a no-brainer, it will have an impact of what the police can do, in

terms of resources. Even if funding for counterterrorism specifically is

ring fenced? I don't think they are two entirely different things. When

I was a police officer, I got information to talking to people. I

would speak to people, find out what was happening and then come back and

do intelligence reports on that and there is no substitute for that.

People sitting in an office going on computers and trying to work out

what is happening on the ground. You need those people on the ground but

it is not just the police officers being cut. We have also had cuts in

the CSO numbers, community support officers and police staff are being

cut as well. In the case of one of the attackers who has been named, we

know the police were aware of him. Can you help us understand what that

actually means when someone like him is on a watchlist? The police will

have an intelligent system and they will look and grade each bit of that

comes in. One thing that is very crucial is that communities should

carry on contacting the police. We have heard Muslim embers of the

community in Manchester were contacting the police around the

individual who carried out the suicide bomber in Manchester. It is

very important people carry on providing that information, once

they get information, they will grade it. There is a problem with

the system of people in Manchester came forward, people in east London

came forward and yet tragically his attacks were carried out? There will

be some lessons learned in how we deal with that information but we

have to look of the information. I have some sympathy with the police,

in terms of information comes in and they have to grade it. They can't

have the same response to every civil person, every bit of

information. Some might be this guy is looking at a magazine, he has

downloaded something on making a terrorist bomb. We have heard this

phrase, a new reality, being used by Cressida Dick, the current

commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. Whichever government is

elected after Thursday, what do you think their priorities are, in terms

of responding to this new reality. We need to look at the Prevent

strategy first of the present Prime Minister has talked about reviewing

counterterrorism and I think that should include the Prevent strategy.

The Prevent strategy is one of the four strands of counterterrorism

strategies, which is designed to look at stopping radicalisation. The

Muslim community, significant members of the Muslim community,

have difficulties with that. It is important that that confidence and

the community is essential. We need to review that, and look at the good

things about prevent and make sure we are able to use it. It should be

about safeguarding, if you have someone who has gone report, has

mental health problems, is acting bizarrely, they should be brought

before the authorities and the authorities make an assessment. This

is someone who need support and assistance, or is this someone who

is dangerous and needs to be charged with an offence and put into prison.

I will let you step out of the wet and get yourself a bit dry. Dowell

Babu, former Chief Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police. I am

sure you aware that all seven victims of Saturday's attack had not

been named, but we know that a 30-year-old Canadian woman called

Christine Archibald was one of those who had. She had moved to Europe to

live with her fiance. They called the Netherlands home but had come to

London for the weekend, and we are told today that she died in the arms

of her fiance. Her family put out an extraordinary statement talking

about her commitment to work with the homeless. They encourage people

to do volunteer work and said if they go and do that, tell them

Christie sent you. We've also been taught by the French authorities

that a French national lost their life, and we also heard from the

sister of a man called James McMullan, who confirmed her brother

was also one of those who died. This was a statement that she gave

earlier. This morning we received news

from the police that my brother's bank card was found on one

of the bodies from Saturday night's brutal attack,

but they are unable to formally identify him until the coroner's

report comes tomorrow. identify him until the coroner's

report begins tomorrow. We would like to send our

condolences to the relatives and loved ones of all the ones who lost

their lives, our thoughts are with them at this time. We would like to

thank all the members of the services hooted their utmost to

serve and protect the population of London from these arranged and

deluded individuals. We know that seven people lost their

lives on Saturday, and that 48 were injured.

We are told 18 of those remain critically ill. Now this report from

Allan Little on the victims of the London Bridge attack.

The faces of those caught up in the attack reflect

the character of London - diverse, global and a magnet

drawing youth and energy from around the world.

Chrissy Archibald, who was 30 and from Canada, was walking

on London Bridge with her fiance Tyler Ferguson when she was struck

He heard tyres screeching, and he looked back and he just saw

the mayhem that was going on, and the van hitting people.

And then he ran up and tried CPR on her.

Her family said she would not have understood the callous cruelty

The French Foreign Ministry said one French citizen was murdered,

another seven French nationals were injured, four

Candice Hedge was one of four Australians injured.

She was stabbed in the throat and is now recovering in hospital.

She was hiding at the time and the guy got her, and stabbed her

But I eventually got onto the hospital, and they spoke

She is going to be OK, that's the main thing.

Daniel O'Neill, who's 23, suffered a seven inch

His life was saved by a friend, who stopped the bleeding

Jeff Ho, a journalist, was stabbed while trying to stop

I don't know whether it was stupid or noble, he said on Facebook,

but that wasn't going to happen on my watch.

Oliver Dowling from New Zealand needed four hours of surgery.

His French girlfriend was also injured, and is in

Brett Freeman, who is from East London, is a father of three

A friend posted this picture on social media

18 people remain critically ill, most of those who died

The list of those killed and injured reflects

An attack in London sends its anguish around the world.

Many hundreds of people were caught up in the attack on Saturday. One of

them was Richard Angell, who is joining me live by London Bridge.

Thank you for coming out, I know it is a really unpleasant evening. You

are back in town because you went to the jaw earlier. Yes, we went to the

Vigil where Sadiq Khan I think spoke for everyone in this city as the

Mayor of London. He spoke about our unity, our diversity, and how we

will not let these people change our lives. They don't speak for people

of his faith, they don't speak to people of any faith, and they don't

speak for the carriage of London that will come through this. And we

remember the seven people who are now not with their loved ones,

friends and families, and the 21 still in hospital. Tell me what

happened to you on Saturday. I was having a lovely Saturday night out

with my friends at a restaurant in Borough market. We were sitting at

the table near the door and it became apparent that the security to

the venue were saying lock the door and duck and hide. And this young

waiter, who is clearly overworked and underpaid, put his foot against

the door and his body weight on these big glass windows and he

protected Lascuna won us could get in. Everyone else panicked not

unreasonably, turned over tables, got under chairs, try to get some

semblance of safety. I was able to look around what was happening,

opposite I could see a guy throwing a table, but I found out afterwards

it was that heroic guy who was throwing stuff at one of the

assailants were stabbing a young woman. He put her life before his

and we thank him for that, he is one of the heroes of that story. At that

point did you will as that was something out of the ordinary. It

was clear from the beginning that it was a terrorist attack, it was no

drill. You didn't want to take a second chance at doing the right

thing the first time and people active. So how long after those

initial moments to jihad to stay inside the restaurant? We saw

someone coming out covered in blood holding their neck or upper chest

structuring -- staggering through. Police at the area, gunshots went

off and I am Thorup was just eight minutes. Relying on journalists like

yourself, people on Twitter, to try and patch together what was

happening around us. And you have been back to meet the restaurant

owner this evening? We have been to have a drink with him, we are

determined to go back and pay Abel. We haven't had a chance to do that.

It is still cordoned off as a crime scene. We want to tip those people,

putting your body behind a glass door to stop someone getting in

doesn't deserve a double fit, I don't what does. We met another guy

at the Vigil who I read about his story at the Evening Standard, he

couldn't get back to his flat and these two lovely women took him in,

and he wants me to say thank you to them and we're having a drink with

him as well this evening, because London is determined that these

people shall not, will not win, and I thought Sadiq Khan spoke for all

of us. If having a gin and tonic, flirting with handsome men and

hanging out with strong women offends these people so much, we are

going to do it time and time again, because that is what makes London so

great. Thank you to coming to see us. Richard was talking about Sadiq

Khan. He has been on the receiving end for a second time of a very

critical tweet from Donald Trump. A lot of people are slightly amused

about why Donald Trump is picking a fight with Sadiq Khan at this

moment. We will be live in Washington, DC to discuss that.

Welcome back to Outside Source. I hope you can hear me about the rain

in the wind, because the weather is deteriorating here, just close the

London Bridge. Behind me you can probably see the Shard. At the base

of the Shard is London Bridge station and it was not far from

there that the atrocity of Saturday night played out, with the bike --

with a white van in mounting the pavement on the bridge and three men

exiting the van and beginning to stab people in the street. Our lead

story on Outside Source today is that the authorities had named two

of the three attackers, and we understand one called Khuram Butt,

featured in a Channel 4 documentary and was known to the security

services. Now, a lot of you would have been aware of a couple of

tweets that Donald Trump sent in the hours after the London attack.

lot of dubstep from particularly in the city, was the president saying

at least seven dead, 48 wounded, and the Mayor of London says there is no

reason to be alarmed. Well, the Mayor of London in that case was

being taken completely out of context by the president, because in

fact what Sadiq Khan had said was that people have no reason to be

alarmed. When asked about that particular

riposte from Donald Trump, Sadiq Khan's spokesperson said we are not

going to get into responding to that, we have better things to do.

Donald Trump came out today and sent a second tweet, in which to use the

US phrase, he doubled down, criticising the London mayor again.

A couple of things to offer here. Sadiq Khan didn't offer an excuse in

response to his initial statement, it just wasn't there, so we are not

sure what Donald Trump is referring to there. Second of all, his

statement was so clear and easy to understand, it is hard to imagine

how the president came to misinterpret it, unless he meant the

misinterpreted. Let's speak to Anthony

Zurcher in Washington. There are a lot of people in the

city who are very angry with what Mr Trump said but also bemused that

something that is so easy to prove to be wrong is something that he

continues to criticise. Right, and Donald Trump had a public appearance

earlier today and he did not comment on it at all, didn't take any

questions. Reporters during the regular White House press conference

asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders, deputy secretary, if Donald Trump was

trying to pick a fight with Amir Khan, and he said not at all, coming

was focusing on national security -- with Sadiq Khan. Then they asked if

he was being targeted by Donald Trump because he was a Muslim mayor

and she said it was utterly with the killers. She said what Donald Trump

was trying to say is that there was reason to be alarmed over the rise

in Islamic extremism in the world. So in other words she answered a

question that was not opposed to her and basically did not directly

address anything about why Donald Trump decided to pick this fight,

where he got the idea about what Sadiq Khan said was talking about

being alarmed over a terrorist attack. Nonetheless, Anthony, it is

quite something for the American president to say in the 48 hours

after a terror attack in the capital of one of America's supposedly

closest allies. Absolutely. It is very remarkable, but then again

Donald Trump has a tendency of trying to take incidents like this,

high profile attacks like this, and use them to political advantage. It

was after the Paris attack, I believe, that he first unveiled in

December 2015 his proposal for an outright ban on Muslim integration

into the US, and his standing within the Republican party, among party

voters went up after that, and time and time again you see instances

where there has been an attack or some sort of incident and Donald

Trump has reacted very aggressively in condemning it and saying it is an

example of why the US must do more to take on Islamic extremism. So it

isn't out of keeping with the way Donald Trump has behaved on the

campaign trail, and as president. But, mind you, it is particularly

pointed, given the fact that it is the Mayor of London, and the UK is

one of our closest allies. I think he is getting a lot of criticism

here within the US on this topic. And just before the end of this half

of the programme, explain to us what the president has been saying about

the travel ban and the department of justice and the Supreme Court,

because it is getting confusing exactly what he would like to

happen. Exactly. First of all he tweeted earlier today that he did in

fact call for a travel ban, the word ban is something he would use to

describe it. Other people in the ministers and have backed off using

that term because it was too closely allied with the Muslim ban he

proposed earlier. But I think what he is saying is trying to come up

with some sort of immigration action, it is too watered down, too

politically correct. He would much rather see a sweeping action, much

like his original travel ban that he proposed in January, that had a

religious component to it and would have possibly affected people who

even had immigration, valid immigration papers are coming into

the US. Anthony, thank you very much indeed. Yes, I think it is fair to

say that in London a lot of people fall into two categories. One group

of people think the state visits scheduled for later this year is not

something they approve of, or they would welcome the state visit as an

opportunity to communicate the Donald Trump exactly how they feel

about his criticism of this city's mayor. That is it for this half of

Outside Source. I will be back with you for another half an hour with

all the latest on the investigations into the London Bridge terror

attack. Speak to you in a bit.